Bush: Some At Gitmo 'Cold-Blooded' Killers

[sabra]

http://cbs4denver.com/national/topstories_story_172091530.html

Bush: Some At Gitmo 'Cold-Blooded' Killers

(AP) VIENNA, Austria President Bush on Wednesday acknowledged European concerns about the 460 detainees the United States is holding at Guantanamo Bay, but said some are "cold-blooded" killers that need to be brought to justice.

"I understand their concerns," Bush said at a U.S.-European Union summit being held here. "I'd like to end Guantanamo. I'd like it to be over with."

Bush said that 200 detainees had been sent home, and that of the 460 remaining, most are from Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Afghanistan.

"There are some who need to be tried in U.S. courts," Bush said. "They're cold-blooded killers. They will murder somebody if they are let out on the street."

[msongs]

1. more lies from our religious fuhrer nt

[saigon68]

20. Bush= Cold Blooded Killer

Here is his work

[INDIA]

22. Yeah! Lies!

Shut it down. There are innocent people there!

[heliarc]

42. SEE "ROAD TO GUANTANAMO"!!! This weekend

Tell all of your friends to see it when it opens on Friday. Send a message that this is what we think the nation should be paying attention to, and a strong message that we put our pocketbooks where our politics are!!!

I saw it last night at an advance screening and it is easily the strongest political message I've seen since Fahrenheit.


http://www.roadtoguantanamomovie.com/

and for a list of theaters its opening in...

http://schedule.samuelgoldwynfilms.com/films/road+to+guantanamo/


The MSM can't resist a blockbuster movie... make "Road to Guantanamo" a box office success and maybe we'll be hearing about it all over the news!

[bigluckyfeet]

57. I just put it on my list at Netflix

The Road to Guantanamo has been added to your Queue.
This movie's release date is unknown.

[heliarc]

71. Try to see it in theaters!

[mrfrapp]

74. Just watched it

I've literally just finished watching "The Road To Guantanamo" and I have to say it is an incredibly powerful movie. I urge everyone to see it.

It seems however, that not everyone appreciates this important film...

"Guantanamo actors questioned under terror act after film festival"

Four actors who play al-Qaida suspects in a British movie that won a prestigious prize were detained by the police at Luton airport as they returned from the Berlin Film Festival and questioned under anti-terror laws, alongside two of the former terrorism suspects they play on screen.

They were returning last Thursday after the premiere of the film, The Road to Guantánamo. It depicts the life of three men from Tipton in the West Midlands, who go to Afghanistan and end up being held for two years by the US at its military base on Cuba before being released without charge.

[more]

In a statement, Rizwan Ahmed said police swore at him and asked if he had become an actor to further the Islamic cause. He said he was at first denied access to a lawyer and was questioned about his views on the Iraq war by a policewoman. "She asked me whether I intended to do more documentary films, specifically more political ones like The Road to Guantánamo. She asked 'Did you become an actor mainly to do films like this, to publicise the struggles of Muslims?'"

more...

Incidentally, "The Road To Gauntanamo" is available for download via the Channel 4 website.

[JeffR]

2. "There are some who need to be tried in U.S. courts"

And that's not happening... why?

[AValdoux]

11. Bush also made the comment...

...he was "waiting for the Supreme Court to tell him what to do." More like he is waiting until he gets the Supreme Court that will tell him what he wants. Haven't there been Supreme Court decisions already on this? In the Padilla case?

AValdoux

[JeffR]

18. He's waiting for them to tell him to do what he already wants to do

Until then, he'll ignore them. Damn activist judges.

[lumpy]

21. He is judge and jury.

He said so, quote: "they're cold blooded killers".

[OnyxCollie]

40. Didn't the SCOTUS pass on hearing the Padilla case? nt

[bdamomma]

16. they haven't been charged with anything,

[JeffR]

17. Which pretty much confirms he has no desire to see any trials

Something an intrepid reporter (quaint notion!) might want to ask him about in his next bogus press conference.

[Cyrano]

3. Some in the White House and the Republican congress are

"cold blooded" killers that need to be brought to justice.

And to paraphrase his last sentence, "Bushies will go on killing as long as they remain in power."

[DBoon]

13. Like Joe Scarborough maybe?

nt

[coalition_unwilling]

48. Don't forget at the World Bank (Paul Wolfowitz) and

at the UC Law School (John Yoo)

[Roland99]

4. Some is 10 out of 460? 2% of the detainees are charged with something.

wow.

Way to fight that war on terror, George!

[alcibiades_mystery]

5. So put them on trial

What is so0 hard to understand about criminal justice: If someone is a killer, and you have evidence to that effect, you ry them in court. If you have no evidence, then you have no right to hold them. How is this hard?

[rooboy]

6. 'Cold-Blooded' Killers ?? - I thought they transferred Jeffrey Miller n/t

[gratuitous]

7. gratuitous to Bush: Then prove it

Otherwise, have nice big cup of shut the fuck up, you murderous corrupt bastard.

[MallRat]

8. I agree. Let's bring the cold-blooded killers to justice.

Let's indict the cold-blooded bastards through due process of law, and release the poor schmucks who we don't have a case against.

And here's a radical idea: let's give all of the detainees access to legal counsel. And then let's do exactly what you recommend: TRY THEM IN COURT. If they're as dangerous as you say, then getting them convicted by a jury should be a slam-dunk.

Put your money where your mouth is, Mr. President. We would all LOVE to see some justice done here. It hasn't happened yet.

[dysfunctional press]

9. ...and that's just some of the guards.

nt

[babylonsister]

10. Would he like it to be over with before or after the US

pays Halliburton to expand? And has he consulted Rummy on this?:eyes:


http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0618-06.htm

Halliburton Given $30m to Expand Guantanamo Bay
by Rupert Cornwell in Washington


A subsidiary of Halliburton, the oil services group once led by the US Vice-President, Dick Cheney, has won a $30m (£16m) contract to help build a new permanent prison for terror suspects at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

The Pentagon announcement, giving further details of the planned two-story jail, complete with air conditioning and exercise and medical facilities, is a further sign that the Defense Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, is determined to keep the jail in operation.

There are some 520 inmates from 40 countries at Guantanamo, some of them held there for more than three years. The new jail will be capable of holding 220 people. Under the contract with the US Naval Engineering Command, the work is to be finished by the end of July 2006. The final deal could be worth as much as $500m.

The work will be carried out by Halliburton's contracting subsidiary Kellogg Brown & Root (KBR). It will include site work, heating, ventilation and air conditioning, plumbing and electrical work.

Announcement of the deal comes when the whole future of Guantanamo, recently described by Amnesty International as "the gulag of our times," is under fierce debate in the US. There have been repeated allegations of mistreatment of inmates, bordering on torture.

more...

[lumpy]

23. The US is now in the concentration camp

business, designed to throw people in a cell, without benefit of justice proceedings. When will this extend to US citizens?

[babylonsister]

47. The US camps are being built as we speak/type.

http://www.gnn.tv/headlines/7254/Homeland_Security_To_Build_Detention_Camps_In_The_United_States


Homeland Security To Build Detention Camps In The United States
Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:06:44 -0800
Summary:

Not only are these “detention centers” (a friendly euphemism for prison camp or concentration camp) being set up for detaining (imprisoning) immigrants, but plans are also in the works to use these camps “in the event of an immigration emergency, as well as the development of a plan to react to a national emergency, such as a natural disaster.”

The official story is that in such a scenario, they would be used to house law enforcement and relief support personnel. What else might these camps be used for?

By Business Editors
Republished from Business Wire
Contract awarded to Halliburton subsidiary KBR.

ARLINGTON, Va.–(BUSINESS WIRE)–Jan. 24, 2006–KBR announced today that the Department of Homeland Security’s (DHS) U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) component has awarded KBR an Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) contingency contract to support ICE facilities in the event of an emergency. KBR is the engineering and construction subsidiary of Halliburton (NYSE:HAL).

With a maximum total value of $385 million over a five-year term, consisting of a one-year based period and four one-year options, the competitively awarded contract will be executed by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, Fort Worth District. KBR held the previous ICE contract from 2000 through 2005.

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[coalition_unwilling]

49. Dachau (1st concentration camp established in '33) was billed as

being solely for preventive detention and protective custody.

[shain from kane]

12. Are they cold-blooded killers now, or cold-blooded killers in the future?

Has Guantanamo turned them into cold-blooded killers?
Reminds me of Nixon saying Manson was a murderer before that trial was over. What happened to innocent until proven guilty?

[truth2power]

14. I'm so sick of that murderous, worthless little insect

saying he understands things. Every time he opens his pie-hole, it's "I understand".

He understands NOTHING! He should STFU! Oh, and how does he know they're "cold blooded killers? Have they been tried and convicted? Didn't think so. Maybe that waste of oxygen, AG Gonzales could explain to him about due process and all that. Uh, never mind...Gonzales is an example of how one can be both a lawyer AND and imbecile.

Or maybe our useless media could ask that question: "Excuse me, shit-for-brains, sir. But under the US Constitution, you know, that paper you wiped your ass with this morning, aren't people innocent until proven guilty?"

Geez! Just having my morning coffee, and already it starts... :mad:

[bdamomma]

15. oh, this man is completely insane

"they will murder somebody if they let out on the street" geez, what a sick man, * has murdered a number of people, can we send him to Gitmo.

[MrPrax]

19. Talk's cheap, Chimpy

If you know they are murders, then you shouldn't have any problem getting a conviction in a court of law with your evidence, until you do that simple thing--your a liar and no better than a hostage takers.

[Skittles]

72. don't you know, MrPrax

"due process" is only for repbulicans; all others need not apply

[NYC Liberal]

24. Really? They're "killers" when they haven't even been CHARGED with such,

let alone been CONVICTED.

So this is bullshit.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

25. Some are cold-blooded killers...

the rest are just damned unlucky.

We're going to pay for these atrocities for at least the next generation.

[DallasTim]

26. The US 'wants to end Guantanamo'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5102528.stm

US President George W Bush has outlined his position on the US prison camp at Guantanamo Bay, which he says he "would like to end".

Mr Bush pledged to send many detainees back to their home countries, but said he wanted to put some on trial because they were "cold-blooded killers".

Mr Bush said he understood European concerns over the US detention camp in Cuba.

"I'd like to end Guantanamo. I'd like it to be over with," he said.

[msongs]

27. president cheney's dog, george - it sits, speaks, rolls over nt

[rodeodance]

28. seems to be Bush should withhold judgement till after the trial. Is he te

aching the world about our justice system?

[kenny blankenship]

29. Do you think his defence team would let him take the stand?

[shain from kane]

30. Cutting and running on Gitmo. But can't hide what's gone before. n/t

[Marlipern]

31. I think my post from yesterday is relevant to this thread...

Apparently, someone woke up the mainstream media.

Last night, (6/19) much to my surprise, the ABC show “Nightline” broadcast a piece about the so-called “Tipton three”, three young British men of Arab descent, who were in U.S. custody for nearly 2 ½ years, the majority of that time at the detention facility in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Why was I surprised? Because it’s not like the mainstream media to broadcast stories about the true horrors of the so-called “global war on terror”. Perhaps the media shills for this administration are just trying to get “ahead of the story” on these young men, since there will be a movie coming out on June 23rd that documents their ordeal. I hope I’m wrong about that.

Here’s an article on their story:

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=2065626&page=1

Shafiq Rasul, Ruhal Ahmed, and Asif Iqbal were apparently simply in the wrong place, at the wrong time, and of the wrong ethnicity. These three friends, who made their home in Tipton, England, had traveled to Pakistan in the fall of 2001. During their visit, they answered the call of a cleric at a local mosque to help provide humanitarian aid to neighboring Afghanistan. In route between Kandahar and Kabul, the three became trapped in the middle of fighting between Northern Alliance forces and the Taliban. They were captured in November of 2001 and turned over to U.S. forces, who, after a month of holding them in Kandahar, transported them to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

During their detention at the gulag in Guantanamo, the three Brits witnessed and experienced treatment and techniques that I can only describe as torture. (Note: That is MY choice of words, not theirs. They were much kinder in their description.) Some of these practices included forced injections (they still don't know what they were injected with), hog-tying, beatings, being subjected to blaring music and strobe lights, and being forced to watch videos of prisoners who had allegedly been ordered to sodomize each other.

The men report that they had witnessed numerous attempted suicides during their incarceration at the camp. Even so, until recently, there had been no successful suicides at Guantanamo. But given the treatment, conditions, and hopeless prospects of the detainees currently at the camp, one can understand why some of the prisoners feel that suicide is their only option. And for those who do succeed in taking their lives, their blood is most certainly on the hands of our President and his administration.

Without ever being charged, the three friends were finally turned over to British authorities in March of 2004, who immediately released them. So, for Shafiq Rasul, Ruhal Ahmed, and Asif Iqbal, life is great, right? Not so. All three have moved from their homes in Tipton after receiving death threats. They are constantly being detained and searched when they go through customs at British airports. In February, even two the actors who portray the men in the upcoming film, “Road to Guantanamo”, had been detained and held for questioning under British anti-terror laws. For all intents and purposes, these men’s lives have been destroyed because our government can’t seem to be able to tell the difference between real terrorists and Brits of Arab descent on vacation.

So I applaud ABC News and the Associated Press for covering the story of these young men. And I hope that this isn’t simply an administration-driven ramp-up to try to discredit them and their story. This country desperately needs more entities in the mainstream media to do some real journalism and report the dirty truth and gory details of this so-called “global war on terror”. Perhaps the media is finally waking up and discovering they have an important responsibility to fulfill. Now America, it’s time for the rest of us to do the same.

[qanda]

32. "Guantanamo, I wish I could quit you"

[shain from kane]

35. It was useful for awhile. It broke the back of the insurgency, right? n/t

[cliss]

33. Fact: the US does not want to close

Gitmo. It's not about the prisoners. It's not about the 'war on terrorism'.

It's about 1 thing: the US showing the world that it can do whatever it wants to. The prison is a symbol for that. It's meant to piss people off. Think about it: if the US wanted to end it like Bush says, they will put these people on trial.

They haven't done it. They're not going to. As long as that prison stands, the US reigns supreme as the gangster terrorist thug of the world.

[coalition_unwilling]

50. Interesting points -- I see Gitmo and Iraq both as

"demonstration projects". That is, they demonstrate to the world that BFEE won't be bound by any earlier norms of international behavior. "We don't need your stinkin' United Nations" and "We don't need your stinkin' due process" are both of a type.

Of course, what BFEE forgets is that Rome fell and the 1,000-year Reich lasted about, uh 12 years until Stalingrad.

[soothsayer]

34. He understands european concerns, but not American concerns

What a dumbass.

[mallard]

36. And speaking of cold-blooded killers who had better...

... be put on trial, Iraq is not exactly in recovery despite all the uncalled for death and destruction.

[mrsadm]

37. Pre-emptive war; now pre-emptive crime prevention???

"They will murder somebody if they are let out on the street."

Can you say "guilty until proven innocent" of a future crime???
Geez...

[shain from kane]

38. Pre-cog from "Minority Report" closer than we think. n/t

[0007]

39. A cold bath will cool off this warm blooded killer that likes

to jack off his jaws about others.

[Terran1212]

41. Now it goes from all to "some"

[Kablooie]

43. Well, he IS the expert on cold-blooded killing.

[Canuckistanian]

44. THEN PROVE IT!

Let's see your evidence, Chimpy. What do you have on them? Did you catch some red-handed or just on hearsay and finger pointing among a very politcally divided populace?

You also said "some" are cold-blooded killers. What about the rest? Why are they in there? Jaywalking?
Conspriracy? They looked "funny"? None of the above?

Let's see some fair and open trials NOW, fuckwit, or else I'm not buying ANY of your bullshit.

[WhiteTara]

45. umm, that would be the guards

he is talking about.

[6000eliot]

46. "And then there are the prisoners."

[primavera]

53. LOL! That was my first thought, too

It seemed uncharacteristically forthright of the shrub to admit to overseeing a gulag, but then I realized he wasn't talking about the torturers and murderers running the camp.

[coalition_unwilling]

51. Gitmo is a CONCENTRATION CAMP (n/t)

[warrens]

52. If so, bring em to trial

Hell, they've only CHARGED a handful, much less had trials.

[Doctor_J]

54. So are some in the administration

but no one there is ever incarcerated.

[Tight_rope]

55. Now if that ain't the pot calling the kettle black!

[The_Casual_Observer]

56. Now I know for certain that they are all innocent men.

A bullshit declaration from jr was all I needed to convince me.

[Rex]

58. Then give them TRIAL dates asshole!

I love watching Bush use weasel words - they hurt the GOP everytime he says em. Keep it up! At this rate we should have back all the gummit by 2010.

[Supersedeas]

59. "some" need to be tried...wow! what version of inalienable rights is that

[w4rma]

60. Yes, and "some" aren't. (nt)

[libodem]

61. "some are cold blooded killers"

but most of them are not. Many of them have been turned in for reward money. I don't like this double standard that was invented with this Bush Era that terrorists are not human beings. That there is a separate standard of treatment of human beings based on their race,creed,color of belief system. I'm not saying don't treat prisoners with out serious respect for danger when someone is in custody. I know you can't turn your back on some one who would strangle you. But human rights are human rights. As much as animal rights are animal rights. If you have a rouge elephant you don't water board and electric shock it and expect it will ever forget who you are? A wild killer lion? Would you taunt it and jab it with sticks? Would you abuse a grizzly bear? Does it make sense to be cruel to a human being who is misguided and mal directed by cultural anthropology. Our nations leaders are unusually cruel and conniving bunch. There is a pure sadistic streak running through this administration. Someone who enjoys punishing. Maybe more that enjoys maybe is driven by a psychological twist that is sexually arousing. Someone is addicted to kinky abuse and has let it color their world view. Somebody believes that it is gratifying power urges to have you enemies pay for their transgressions. Funny i thought there was someone these sick fucks believed in that died for our sins, already. And the vengeance is in the hands of the lord. Vengeance is mine sayeth the lord. But nooooooo we have to be vengeful, hateful, evil, and cruel. Thanks, for the World Wide PR smear...Bush. Thanks, for nothing!!!

[DoYouEverWonder]

62. The US 'wants to end Guantanamo'

21 June 2006

US President George W Bush has said he would like to close the US prison camp at Guantanamo Bay and send many detainees back to their home countries.

However, he said not all the inmates would be returned - some would need to be put on trial in the US because they were "cold-blooded killers".

The comments came after talks with EU leaders at a one-day summit in Vienna.

Mr Bush then flew on to Hungary, where he was due to commemorate the country's 1956 uprising.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5102528.stm


The close the damn place and put these 'cold=blooded' killers on trial. Bring 'em on.

[merwin]

63. Uh, how many of these 'cold blooded killers' have we put on trial already?

Zero? Yeah, I thought so.

[DoYouEverWonder]

65. About as many as we have convicted

Zero, again.

[msongs]

64. when actions do not match words, actions are the TRUTH.

ignore the blather that leads to nothing and observe the behavior.


Msongs
www.msongs.com/political-shirts.htm

[davekriss]

69. Wha? Bush tells the truth!

America, as in We the People, do indeed want Guantanamo shut down. But since when does the Bush Regime represent the will of the people? He wasn't speaking of his will, what he and his backers want -- imperial control, military adventure, a substantial skim of the economic value created by this and future generations. That, and only that, governs the actions of this criminal Regime.

[Fridays Child]

66. Note to summit participants: George Bush is a liar.

He has NO intention of closing Gitmo. I guarantee it.

[partylessinOhio]

67. What?

'need to be put on trial in the US because they were "cold-blooded killers".'

Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice and all the Neos are going on trial????

[Canuckistanian]

68. Not like he can do anything about it, right?

After all, the matter is out of his hands, like everything in the "war".

[wellst0nev0ter]

70. Will He Try Any One Of These "Terrorists"

before the * administration ends?

[killbotfactory]

73. Then try them in court.

[Toots]

75. PROVE IT

Why should we believe you when you have LIED to us so many times. There is an avenue to follow spelled out in the US Constitution. Trial by Jury of Peers. Abiliaty to confron accusers, Right to speedy trial. Prove they are what you say in a court of law..

[Jack Rabbit]

76. If any need to be brought to justice, then bring them to justice

Justice necessarily involves an open court in which the accused is presumed innocent and has the right to cross eximine witnesses against him, examine all of the prosecution's evidence and introduce witnesses and evidence of his own.

Mr. Bush's proposed kangaroo courts don't meet this standard.

[Triana]

77. Who?

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=newsOne&storyID=2006-07-09T124044Z_01_COL944937_RTRUKOC_0_US-IRAQ-RAPE.xml

[PurityOfEssence]

78. Takes one to know one.

(He's such a juvenile and petty little nobody, isn't he?)