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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 06:55 AM
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Senator Holds Party in Limbo (Lieberman)
Senator Holds Party In Limbo
Lieberman's Choice Risks Ripple Effect
June 18, 2006
By MARK PAZNIOKAS, Courant Staff Writer

With a surprising nonchalance, Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman is approaching a critical crossroads in his 36-year career as a Democratic politician.

Will he remain a candidate in the Aug. 8 primary and give the final word on his re-election to Democratic voters, only half of whom approve of his performance?

Or will Lieberman cede the Democratic nomination to challenger Ned Lamont and petition his way onto the November ballot?

No later than mid-July, Lieberman will reach the point of no return. If he is going to run in November as a petitioning candidate, Lieberman would have to collect 7,500 signatures from registered voters by 4 p.m. on Aug. 9.

http://www.courant.com/news/politics/hc-sendecide0618.artjun18,0,4802795.story?coll=hc-headlines-home

Poor Joe - sounds like he is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.
:sarcasm:
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 07:07 AM
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1. he's damned alright
but it has nothing to do with how to proceed with this election.

Joe belongs with the rest of the Bush gang -- behind bars in the Hague, IMO.

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monarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 07:40 AM
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2. Check out the poll too
At 5:30am, more than 60% were opposed to having Joe run as an independent.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 07:43 AM
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3. I was on the fence on Lieberman until...
he refused to rule out running as an independent.

My fear was that if he lost the primary, Alan Schlesinger would drop out for health reasons and a Chris Shays (or Nancy Johnson) would run as a replacement candidate and give Lamont a tough battle.

But, if he can't abide by the decisions of Democrats, screw him.
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Tuttle Donating Member (919 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:55 AM
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6. Interesting theory
but I think Shays doesn't want to give in to Farrell -- Johnson would affirm the red-handedness of the MoveOn commercial.

Holy Joe will split the Reagan Dem vote with whomever as an independent.

My $.02,
Tut-tut
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:08 AM
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4. A cliff hanger! (rubs hands together)...
The Lieberman Will-he-or-won't-he Cliffhanger is getting exciting. It doesn't look good for Liarman either way. If he deides to battle it out with Lamont as a Dem, he's sure to lose.

But if he switches to Independent, his chances may not be much better. He's probably discussing this with his advisors, as we speak.

The sands of the hourglass have run out for you, Joe.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:44 AM
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5. It looks like the chairman of the state party needs to go too.
One ally has no doubts: Lieberman's old friend and Democratic state chairman, John F. Droney Jr., is publicly urging Lieberman to skip the primary, saying "every single weirdo in the left wing" enraged by Lieberman's support of the war in Iraq will turn out.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 12:58 PM
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7. Only left-wing weirdos are against the war in Iraq? Wow, sounds like the
state of Connecticut has no Democratic Party, just a money making machine for a few good old boys.
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jab105 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 03:18 PM
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8. "every single weirdo in the left wing" includes 60% of the country...
you moran!
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 07:23 PM
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13. I'm still waiting on a "clarification" from Schumer and the DSCC.
We were promised one earlier this week that never materialized.

If they think we're going to forget what Shumer said, they'd better fucking think again!

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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 08:58 AM
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16. The party chair is real progressive
</sarcasm>
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 04:18 PM
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9. Glanced at the subject line & thought it said "party in Limo"
my first thought was..wow he DOESN'T have many supporters these days.. they fit in a limo :rofl:
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Sadie5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 05:42 PM
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10. I think Joe is done
He has kissed * butt until his nose is brown. Guess he thought it would be business as usual if he voted with the Repugs. Guess again Joe, you were wrong.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 07:00 PM
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11. Why doesn't he do the obvious thing,
and run as the Repug he is?
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dogfacedboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 10:08 AM
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17. And give up whatever $$$ he can take from the Dems????
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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 07:09 PM
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12. This was a VP candidate for our party? What did Gore do wrong

http://www.perkel.com/politics/gore/index.htm

I am not betraying Gore and the Democrats. Gore betrayed us, the election is over, and it's time to talk about what really happened.
Then Gore picks Joe Lieberman, a Clinton critic and an orthodox Jew. Having been raised Jewish myself I have no problem with a Jewish vice president. But I do have a problem with an orthodox Jew (or orthodox anything) as vice president. An orthodox Jew is a Jewish extremist and damn near as bad a Pentecostal Christian who flaunts their religion and is in your face about their beliefs. I found his remarks about religion and public life offensive. Freedom of religion DOES mean freedom from religion, especially your religion.

If Joe Lieberman wants to practice his religion and take the Sabbath off, that's fine. Do it! But, the office of the Vice President and office of the President are seven day a week jobs, and if you can work seven days a week, don't take the job. The whole Sabbath thing is based on the ridiculous belief that the world was created in 6 days. As an American, he has the right to believe it. But it's stupid. And I don't want a vice president who's going to be knocking on my door asking me, "do you know Moses?"

Lieberman lacked the "faith" to get fully into the Vice Presidential race. Some "Man of God" he is!
Additionally, Joe (I'm more moral than you) Lieberman never really got into the race. While running for vice president, he refused to drop out of his race for senator for his home state. He was running two campaigns at once. Unlike Bob Dole, who in 1996 put his butt on the line and dropped out of the Senate, Lieberman decided not to take a chance. What he did was like playing poker and not putting your money on the table until after you've determined you have a winning hand. For someone who praised God that he was selected VP, he didn't have enough "faith" to give up his fallback position, risking control of the Senate for his own personal gain. Men of God suck, but that's a different topic.

Gore gave Clinton a minimal role during the convention. Just enough to pacify Clinton supporters. But afterwards, it was back to distancing himself again. No joint appearances with President Clinton, insisting that he's "his own man".

Then came the debates. Something that gore was supposed to win, and he did. Gore won all the debates handily, and dropped in the polls after every one, even though he made Bush look like a moron. Why? Because not one time in all three debates did he mention Clinton's name. He tried to take credit for all the work Clinton did for the last eight years, but too good to mention him by name, because Clinton got a blow job and was therefore tainted. Al Gore was too good to even mention the name of Clinton, but not too good to try to take credit for his work. So Gore political ratings dropped because when it comes down to it, people would rather have a moron than a dishonest president. Bush is dishonest too, but his moronness distracts you from his dishonesty.

By declaring that he was his own man and distancing himself from Clinton, it was obvious that voting for Gore was not voting for Clinton one more time. We had no idea what Gore was going to do as president. Gore made it clear that he was going to go in a different direction, and that made him just as much and outsider as Bush was. And it made him look stupid because he was dumb enough to run away from success. How can you be that fucking stupid? It makes a guy wake up in the morning thinking that this can't be the real world, and that the movie, "The Matrix" is a personal message to me. That may sound crazy, but is it crazier than a Vice President running away from success? I think not!

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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 09:46 PM
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15. If Gore Had Won, He Would Have been JFK'ed…
…and we all know that Holy Joe would have been more than willing to attack Iraq or any other country that ever dissed Israel.
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ckramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 07:34 PM
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14. Gore is a good man, but the choice of LIEberman sure did him in
What came over him? He can't blame diebold machines 100% for sure.
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dogfacedboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 10:10 AM
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18. A combo of Repub lies and Lieberman are what cost Al the election.
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