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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 01:28 AM
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Was the 2004 Election Stolen? (Rolling Stone by RFKjr)
(Here it is, finally! It's a long one too!)

Was the 2004 Election Stolen?


Republicans prevented more than 350,000 voters in Ohio from casting ballots or having their votes counted -- enough to have put John Kerry in the White House.

BY ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR.

The complete article, with Web-only citations, follows. For more, see exclusive documents, sources, charts and commentary.

Like many Americans, I spent the evening of the 2004 election watching the returns on television and wondering how the exit polls, which predicted an overwhelming victory for John Kerry, had gotten it so wrong. By midnight, the official tallies showed a decisive lead for George Bush -- and the next day, lacking enough legal evidence to contest the results, Kerry conceded. Republicans derided anyone who expressed doubts about Bush's victory as nut cases in ''tinfoil hats,'' while the national media, with few exceptions, did little to question the validity of the election. The Washington Post immediately dismissed allegations of fraud as ''conspiracy theories,''(1) and The New York Times declared that ''there is no evidence of vote theft or errors on a large scale.''(2)

But despite the media blackout, indications continued to emerge that something deeply troubling had taken place in 2004. Nearly half of the 6 million American voters living abroad(3) never received their ballots -- or received them too late to vote(4) -- after the Pentagon unaccountably shut down a state-of-the-art Web site used to file overseas registrations.(5) A consulting firm called Sproul & Associates, which was hired by the Republican National Committee to register voters in six battleground states,(6) was discovered shredding Democratic registrations.(7) In New Mexico, which was decided by 5,988 votes,(8) malfunctioning machines mysteriously failed to properly register a presidential vote on more than 20,000 ballots.(9) Nationwide, according to the federal commission charged with implementing election reforms, as many as 1 million ballots were spoiled by faulty voting equipment -- roughly one for every 100 cast.(10)

The reports were especially disturbing in Ohio, the critical battleground state that clinched Bush's victory in the electoral college. Officials there purged tens of thousands of eligible voters from the rolls, neglected to process registration cards generated by Democratic voter drives, shortchanged Democratic precincts when they allocated voting machines and illegally derailed a recount that could have given Kerry the presidency. A precinct in an evangelical church in Miami County recorded an impossibly high turnout of ninety-eight percent, while a polling place in inner-city Cleveland recorded an equally impossible turnout of only seven percent. In Warren County, GOP election officials even invented a nonexistent terrorist threat to bar the media from monitoring the official vote count.(11)

Any election, of course, will have anomalies. America's voting system is a messy patchwork of polling rules run mostly by county and city officials. ''We didn't have one election for president in 2004,'' says Robert Pastor, who directs the Center for Democracy and Election Management at American University. ''We didn't have fifty elections. We actually had 13,000 elections run by 13,000 independent, quasi-sovereign counties and municipalities.''

(more at link)

<http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen>
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 01:39 AM
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1. Already posted multiple times--dupe
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 01:55 AM
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2. Do you have a link? I searched first, and all I saw were posts about...
...what the article was going to say when it was publish Thursday night/Friday morning, not the actual article, which this is.

If you have a link, I'd like to have it.
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 02:24 AM
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5. It's on the home page
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 03:51 AM
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8. Thank you! Though it's in GD and not LBN (why, I don't know)...
...and how kpete managed to get it 3 hours before it was posted at Rolling Stone... I'd love to know how he managed that too.

But since it's in GD, not LBN or even E&O, it doesn't qualify as a dupe, it just won't get as many posts.

Please note: The article has FOUR links to get all the pages. For some reason, clicking the "printer friendly" link only gives you section one (the first 7 pages), you need to click and print all four links to get the full article:

Section 1
<http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen/1>

Section 2
<http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen/2>

Section 3
<http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen/3>

Section 4
<http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen/4>

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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 02:08 AM
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3. Spectacualar! Thanks so much for posting the original.
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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 02:10 AM
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4. Duplicate - and not LBN within the past 24 hours anyhow.
Edited on Fri Jun-02-06 02:16 AM by lindisfarne
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 03:17 AM
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6. Wrong! That is "Excerpts from RFK Jr.'s Rolling Stone Exposé..."
Those are "Excerpts" that were posted before it was posted at Rolling Stone!

This is the actual article with the actual links to the full Rolling Stone article. A post about what will be posted is NOT the same as the actual article.
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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 03:44 AM
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7. Additionally, 3. Do not post duplicate topics about news events that have
Edited on Fri Jun-02-06 03:50 AM by lindisfarne
already been posted.
1. Do not post opinion pieces, editorials, or other stories that are not news.
2. Do not post news that is more than 12 hours old.
3. Do not post duplicate topics about news events that have already been posted. Please note that we are very strict about duplicates in the Latest Breaking News forum. Multiple discussion threads about the same topic are not permitted. If you would like to share a new article about a news item that is already being discussed, please add it to the thread that is already open on that topic
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 04:16 AM
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9. I'm not going to argue with you, for 2 reasons...
...1) You are Wrong.

and

2) There is nothing you or I can do about it now or ever. If the Mods want to move it, they will. I can't move it, and you can't move it either.

And another thing, if it is moved, it will keep getting re-posted by other who didn't find it when they went looking for it in LBN.

So, unless you suddenly become a Moderator, I suggest you move on and leave the decision up to them.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 06:51 AM
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10. Thanks for posting the full article.
This is an amazing piece of journalism. He has 208 footnotes. I copied the whole thing and printed it out. It was 14 full pages not including footnotes. Wow, a very thorough job of journalism!
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leQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 04:27 PM
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19. yeah, thanks for posting it. this is the first i've heard about it
and i check the the headlines 12 times a day.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 09:09 AM
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11. I'm Glad He Highlighted the Registration Problems
That's where the bodies are going to be found.
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ShockediSay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 11:31 AM
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12. Wait 'til you see the results in '06
more of same and worse I predict

on top of gerrymandering

on top of paperless voting machines (unlike state lotteries)

why bother with democracy in Iraq? what's the matter with here in the good old USA?
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 01:56 PM
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13. Remember that night? We were all ready to go to Ohio to help...
... make sure the votes got counted. Just drop everything and go.

And Kerry just folded. Our party leadership just threw in the towel, and didn't even fight.

It's as though there were some sort of mental block preventing people from accepting that things like that -- stolen elections -- can happen here. Even when the evidence stares them in the face, they can't quite see what they're looking at.

No one has any difficulty accepting that similar "irregularities" add up to a corrupted and illegitimate electoral process when they occur in other countries. No one has any difficulty accepting that when other countries resort to torture, rendition, and secret imprisonment apart from the normal judicial process, those countries reveal themselves to be human-rights abusers. No one shies away from labelling other countries rogue and aggressor nations when they initiate warfare against other states.

But it's always different for us, isn't it?

For some reason, when it comes to our country, two and two never quite add up to four.

The thing is, until we can convince enough people in government and the mainstream media to let go of this delusion of some kind of heaven-ordained American exceptionalism, we're going to remain vulnerable to dangerous factions like the one that has persuaded the Bush regime to follow their disastrous course of action in Iraq.

You name it, "it" can happen here. And understanding that is the foundation of our defense against such terrible things.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 02:32 PM
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14. DU picked up a LOT of new members during November-December 2004
I know I personally, was nearly radicalized by those horrible days of watching another election get stolen.

The DU Archive from that time is a great place to find the real-time outrage of those months.
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Clint Curtis Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 08:35 PM
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15. Influential members of the Democratic party acknowledge election theft
It is great to see Mr. Kennedy step forward and bring attention to the issue of stolen elections. It could not have come at a better time. I am the whistleblower that testified before Congress back in 2004 on the request for a vote fraud prototype. Now in 2006, I am running for Congress against the very Congressman that requested the program. Even with all the information to the contrary, many continue to hide their heads in the sand and pretend our democracy is not in jeopardy. It is a great relief to see influential members of the Democratic party starting to acknowledge the theft of our elections.

I could use your help in my quest to restore our democracy. Anyone interested can contact me at www.ClintCurtis.com to volunteer and contribute. All our efforts are starting to pay off. People are paying attention. Now we need to make our point by getting the election thieves out of office.

Clint Curtis
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 10:40 PM
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17. Way to go!
Give 'em the what's for, Clint Curtis!

Good luck in the election and best of luck in Congress.

And a hearty welcome to DU!
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Clint Curtis Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 02:54 PM
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18. Thanks
Thanks

Clint
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Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 09:05 PM
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20. Welcome Clint. You've already got some of my money, so I'll give you
some advice (I've paid for the right): Hammer away at the voting machine issue and if you lose, DO NOT CONCEDE, TAKE IT TO COURT IF NEED BE, DEMAND AN AUDIT AND IF YOU HAVE TO PLEAD BEFORE A JUDGE, get Avi Rubin and Mark Crispin Miller and Land Shark every other expert you can think of to testify in your behalf. Ask some people here who to get.

The FL laws about not counting the paper print-outs has to be unconstitutional. TAKE THEM TO COURT!!!!

Best wishes. Hope you can ride to victory and become a force to return democracy to America!
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 10:37 PM
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16. Kennedy is a man of stature in the Liberal Democratic ranks.
He's going to wake up the party to an issue that should have had the party up in arms two elections ago.

Who knows? RFK Jr. is as high-profile as they come. Perhaps even Corporate McPravda will take notice.

CHIMPEACH
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