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Roon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 12:12 PM
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Bush: ‘Troubled’ by war crime allegations
WASHINGTON - President Bush said Wednesday he was troubled by allegations that U.S. Marines had killed unarmed Iraqi civilians and that, “if in fact laws were broken, there will be punishment.”

It was Bush’s first public comment on allegations that Marines killed about two dozen unarmed Iraqi men, women and children in the western city of Haditha last November.

Responding to a reporter’s question, Bush said he had discussed Haditha with Gen. Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. “He’s a proud Marine. And nobody is more concerned about these allegations than the Marine Corps. The Marine Corps is full of honorable people who understand the rules of war.”

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13065025/
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 12:15 PM
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1. "If laws were broken, there will be punishment." I'll bet.
The whistleblowers will be lucky to escape with their lives. Plenty of ratshot to go around.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 12:18 PM
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5. Another famous bush "investigation"?
The kind where the story goes away real fast.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 10:50 PM
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51. It won't surface again for at least 2 years.
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enid602 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 12:29 PM
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8. Bush
That should read "I I find out who failed to kill all witnesses and/or leaked this to the press, there'll be hell to pay!'
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 12:30 PM
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10. no, it's more like... if laws were broken
there'll be promotions.
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Generic Brad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 08:40 PM
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47. And medals!
Don't forget the honorary medals given to all outgoing incompetents and failures. If the orders go all the way up to Rumsfeld he might even get two medals.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 01:03 PM
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23. From the Repeater: "Repeat, repeat, rinse, repeat, ..."
"If someone committed a crime," Bush said speaking to reporters after a meeting with visiting Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, "they will no longer work in my administration."

Time reporter Matthew Cooper has said Karl Rove, Bush's deputy chief of staff and closest political adviser, was the first person to disclose to him that an administration critic's wife worked for the CIA. She was subsequently identified as Valerie Plame. (Related video: White House comments on leak)

Several Democrats, including Sens. John Kerry of Massachusettts and Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York, have called for Rove's firing. Some Democrats charged that Bush had shifted his position. They said Bush had promised to fire anyone involved in the leaking of Plame's name in 2003, regardless of whether a law had been broken.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-07-18-bush-rove_x.htm?POE=NEWISVA



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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 01:28 PM
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31. One, two, three, Repeater!
You say I need a job,
I've got my own business
You want to know what i do?
None of your fucking business
But now I'm lying here
Knowing that business had a name,
But now I'm a number
1 2 3 repeater
Down by law, I've got this nasty habit
When I need something I just reach out and grab it
Once upon a time I had a name and a way
But to you I'm nothing but a number
1 2 3 repeater...


--Arlington County's own Fugazi
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 01:11 PM
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28. its the -few bad apples at the bottom of the barrel-approach.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 01:33 PM
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32. Exactly. When it should be "A fish rots from the head." nt.
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Born Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 03:34 AM
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65. If laws were broken? what a joke.....
The entire invasion and occupation was illegal and caused thousands to die, but he is troubled that a few individuals got caught? Every time I read about this guy and his poor decisions , I only shake my head - unbeliable that Americans continue to buy it. The marines may have done wrong but he should be held responsible, not the individuals that were forced into an illegal war.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 12:16 PM
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2. He should have scheduled a specific presser to address this on its own
He waited for a question about it! What a weasel.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 12:16 PM
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3. "I got a troubled mind "
What a fucking moran.

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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 12:41 PM
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14. that is rather obvious!
Time to take away the keys and lock this sucker up! Enough is enough! *'s mind is "troubled" alright! It is likely due to my assertion that this man is deluded and psychopathic!

* should be far more than "troubled". * should FIRE RUMSFELD, once again the face behind the crimes in Iraq! As if Abu Grahib and Falluja and all of the other acts are not enough. We won't even mention the words "depleted uranium" nor "white phosphorus".

Troubled in his mind!

Beyond a fucking moran!

This man is a war dangerous criminal. Look in the mirror *, look in the miror!

:dem: :kick:
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 12:49 PM
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20. Look out, the decider is troubled.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 12:17 PM
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4. 'Troubled'??? Oh brother. That's all the buffon's got to offer?
He's troubled??

I feel 'troubled' over my kids grades, his smart ass attitude, the bills I owe. Really that's more in line with what should cause you to feel 'troubled'.

He has an obligation, as the front man patsy stooge for the neocons, to act like he's OUTRAGED. No troubled.

Stupid bastard. I've got a dog smarter than he is. And I've been trying to housebreak that damn thing for years.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 12:40 PM
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13. LOL! Priceless summation:
I've got a dog smarter than he is. And I've been trying to housebreak that damn thing for years.

:toast:
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 04:19 PM
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43. I loved that too!
Or as I like to say "I have a beagle smarter than this. And she's stupid even for a beagle."
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drdtroit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 12:22 PM
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6. When are people going to grasp the fact that
this administration and the majority of the GOP will say anything, and ultimately do absolutely nothing?
:patriot:
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 12:24 PM
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7. He is only "troubled" because...
this got out to the press and now he has to deal with.

He is troubled that it wasn't covered up completely.
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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 12:29 PM
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9. When the headline reads "jailed" rather than "troubled"...
I will start paying attention to what Bush is thinking.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 12:43 PM
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17. Amen!
...
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 12:32 PM
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11. JUST WHO IS COMMANDER IN CHIEF?
I'm sick and tired of Bush passing the buck and pretending he doesn't know about something. HE is the C'n Chief for heaven's sake. He hears about things thru the media? Wow!:mad:
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 12:43 PM
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15. * should FIRE RUMMY!
and he should waste NO TIME in doing it!

Enough is enough!

This is his only possible restituion! And that is just a mere possibility only.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:04 PM
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62. but isn't the Commander in Chief responsible?
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 12:44 PM
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18. Like the guy said in Apocalypse Now, "Ain't nobody in charge"
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wordpix2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 09:43 PM
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70. That would be DeadEye Dickhead & his sidekick with the Abomb, Rummy
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 12:32 PM
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12. I wonder why he's not touting himself as "The Decider" NOW, hmmm...
'Course, he's only The Decider when good things happen, right?
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mark11727 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 12:43 PM
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16. This "..if in fact laws were broken.." statement...
Edited on Wed May-31-06 12:44 PM by mark11727
...bothers the hell out of me.

IIRC, SOME KIDS WERE SHOT IN THEIR HEADS --- I'M PRETTY SURE THERE'S BOUND TO BE SOME KIND OF LAW AGAINST THAT SORT OF THING, THEREFORE AT LEAST ONE LAW HAS IN FACT BEEN BROKEN!!!

Sorry, but this "IF LAWS WERE BROKEN" talk is just a lot of mush-mouthed bullshit.

A real president would have said "when I find out who did this, I am going to skin their murdering asses. God bless America, thank you and good night."

My .02 worth.






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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 12:47 PM
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19. There are many, maybe even most, Americans who think our guys
just hang out over there, and guard things, until they have to go somewhere, then they are ambushed by Iraqis. In other words, they think our troops are only victims.
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beltanefauve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 02:14 AM
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63. They hang out
when they're not busy building schools and soccer fields. Y'know, the GOOD news out of Iraq!
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 12:17 PM
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66. Yes, I didn't mean to imply that all of them are out murdering people.
Just a few, but even that's too many.
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beltanefauve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 08:04 PM
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69. Sorry, I was being sarcastic
and should have used the icon for that. Even if our guys did nothing all day but hang out, build soccer fields, and schools, we really have no business being there at all.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 12:51 PM
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21. Really? You sure about that Bush
Just like the many times you said the people would go to jail for breaking the law, and they haven't? Where's the promise, O Asshated-One?
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 01:03 PM
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22. He had to be asked
Bush had to be asked about this. He didn't come out ahead of this to address the situation. He had to be asked.

Your teen-ager wrecks the car. He’s okay. The car is drivable but damaged. He doesn’t tell you, and you don’t find out until you get in the car, and notice that the right front quarter panel is crunched. You ask the boy, and he says, “Oh yeah, I hit a pole in the supermarket parking lot.”

Is your anger best described as “white hot” or “towering”? Understand, of course, that we’re talking about a teen-age boy, not a presumably grown man in a position of great responsibility.

Bush didn’t mention Haditha until someone asked him about it. But if you’re upset about that, you’re a shrill Bush-hater, in the grip of an unreasoning, groundless anger.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 01:04 PM
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24. His?
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 01:04 PM
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25. He's concerned by the "ALLEGATIONS," not the acts themselves.
If everybody had just kept their mouths shut & not blown the coverup, everything woulda been hunky-dory.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 01:04 PM
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26. He'll Be Troubled When He Gets To Take A Long Vacation in the Hague
Edited on Wed May-31-06 01:05 PM by AndyTiedye



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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 01:07 PM
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27. rigging elections didnt trouble him, putting protestors in pens ...
didnt bother him, torture and murder didnt bother him, drowning poor people didnt bother him, bombing, depleted uranium cancers and deformations and napalming civilians didnt bother him.

this bothers him?
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ugarte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 01:16 PM
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29. Bush: (Un)troubled by war crime allegations...nt
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 01:21 PM
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30. Yeah, He's Troubled Alright! In the Head! (nt)
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 01:40 PM
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33. 'splain to me the difference between George and Sadam.
Anyone?
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 01:56 PM
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34. Only
the names their spelt and Sadam is already on trial.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 02:02 PM
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35. One name has six letters and the other has five?? Ok, I give up! nt
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 04:13 PM
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40. Language
I don't know for certain but doesn't Saddam speak better English?

I could be wrong...

Oh, and I think Saddam can eat pretzels without incident.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 04:48 PM
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45. LOL - and Sadam usually knew what was going on.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 02:44 PM
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36. he's troubled?
I'm troubled that he is not appalled; outraged; disgusted; or sickened. I'm troubled he found out about it from the 'news' whatever that is - we know he doesn't read the paper. Where is the fury over the cover-up? Did anyone see pace on Countdown last night w/ his 150 lbs of medals on his chest? He looked like a cartoon. I didn't think I could get any angrier. And here we are SIX months after this happened - SIX months after most of us here read about it AND saw the pictures of the butchery.

and this serial killer rat bastard is troubled?
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 03:08 PM
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37. He'd better be troubled!
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 04:39 PM
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44. A dream come true, I hope!
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 03:59 PM
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38. Bush: Im troubled....
we wont have enough Medals of Freedom to give out.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 04:09 PM
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39. The headline is unclear
For a second I thought Bush was troubled by any one accusing him of war crimes.
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 04:13 PM
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41. NO KIDDING!
Oh, were my fingers ever crossed! Let it be true, let it be true!

Someone PLEASE tell him HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR WAR CRIMES! Afterall, he's the War Prezledent. Freak.

:nuke:
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 04:14 PM
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42. He only cares because they got caught.
He never said a word about the possibility of war crimes until the media bashed it over his head.
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Daphne08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 04:53 PM
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46. He should have studied history well and learned about war
before he started this preemptive war in Iraq! These things have happened in every war... every war!

I hope he is troubled.

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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:17 PM
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48. Nothing else about the clusterfuck called Operation Iraqi Freedom bothers
him? What an ass...
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:52 PM
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49. I heard those remarks. All I can say is
it sounded like he was struggling to frame the proper emotions The emotions any normal human being would have are not available to him. I mean....not available. Not in his data basnk.

One more indication that he's a sociopath. Geez! When are the white coats gonna come take him away??

And why always the passive voice? "there will be punishment". He can't do it. He just can't summon any REAL sense of outrage about all these atrocities.

SICK. SICK. SICK. :puke:
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 10:50 PM
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50. What laws does he want to change now...
to ensure that "no laws were broken"?
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Jack113 Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 10:54 PM
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52. Bush 'troubled' by Haditha report
The official US version differs widely from that of locals and the media
US President George W Bush has said he is "troubled" by reports of an alleged massacre of Iraqi civilians by US marines last November.
Making his first public comments on the issue, Mr Bush said if anyone had broken the law they would be punished.

His comments followed claims that the killings of 24 people in the town of Haditha were covered up.

On Tuesday, the US government promised to make public all the details of inquiries into the alleged massacre.


Its more likely that Bush gave the order to comit the murders. This is just more buck passing by the real criminals that have hijacked our government. In the military the officers are always accountable for the actions of their men. Of course the hearings will be closed and no real info will be available to the public.


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Submariner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 10:54 PM
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53. Well I would be "troubled" too if the centerpiece of my legacy
was torture and death.

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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 10:54 PM
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54. If anyone has broken the law..... well, there's probably a mirror
in that nice big house he lives in......
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vssmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 10:54 PM
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55. He is troubled alright.
The troubling thing going through his mind is, "Who are those whistle-blowing leaking traitors."
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 10:54 PM
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56. Why would he be troubled? If the deaths on 9-11-01 only helped
give him a good laugh and fall asleep, why would the deaths of two dozen "furriners" bother him?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 10:54 PM
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57. Gee, didn't he say those leakers would be punished, and those
CIA outers, too? Don't hold yer breath!

He's troubled because someone TOLD him this, not because it happened. The boy in the bubble....

He didn't give the orders. He's not that involved. He just wants the black gold, and he's relying on Rummy and crew to pacify that country so the "war" can pay for itself with a hefty profit for himself and his pals, and it ain't gonna happen.
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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 10:54 PM
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58. Great word - "troubled" - like a hemhorroid or toothache he may have -
just another big window into his completely empty soul.
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 10:54 PM
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59. You think someone of Bush's level gives orders for a mere 24 killings?
Come on, I know people talk of the incredible shrinking presidency at times but that's giving him too little credit. He's presided over far, far worse than this one incident, but those were "lawful".
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moobu2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 10:54 PM
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60. He’s only troubled that the cover up didn’t work this time.
The truth got out.
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 10:54 PM
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61. Yeah he's all choked up about killing civilians
He hasn't lost one moment of sleep, golf or vacation on account of this wholesale killing going on. Hell, he's a torture advocate and a major exponent of the destruction of human rights.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 03:19 AM
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64. Plenty of other quesionable civilian killings
that have not been investigated, checkpoint killings, homes broken into and people shot.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 04:53 PM
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67. He's troubled by the "allegations" - not by the war crimes themselves
Rumsfeld was troubled by the pictures of torture and not the torture itself...and Bush is troubled by what is being said and not by what happened

Bush is a war criminal. That fact doesn't trouble him at all.
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 06:16 PM
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68. Troubled????...
Troubled is what you feel when you misplace your car keys!

Bush is a mental cripple!
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