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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 10:15 PM
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Military Inquiry Is Said to Oppose Account of Raid
A military investigator uncovered evidence in February and March that contradicted repeated claims by marines that Iraqi civilians killed in Haditha last November were victims of a roadside bomb, according to a senior military official in Iraq. Among the pieces of evidence that conflicted with the marines' story were death certificates that showed all the Iraqi victims had gunshot wounds, mostly to the head and chest, the official said.

The investigation, which was led by Col. Gregory Watt, an Army officer in Baghdad, also raised questions about whether the marines followed established rules for identifying hostile threats when they assaulted houses near the site of a bomb attack, which killed a fellow marine. The three-week inquiry was the first official investigation into an episode first uncovered by Time magazine in January and that American military officials now say appears to have been an unprovoked attack by the Marines that killed 24 Iraqi civilians. The results of Colonel Watt's investigation, which began on Feb. 14, have not previously been disclosed.

"There were enough inconsistencies that things didn't add up," said the senior official, who was briefed on the conclusions of Colonel Watt's preliminary investigation. The official agreed to discuss the findings only after being promised anonymity. The findings have not been made public, and the Pentagon and the Marines have refused to discuss the details of inquiries now underway, saying that to do so could compromise the investigation.

When Colonel Watt described the findings to Lt. Gen. Peter Chiarelli, the senior ground commander in Iraq, on March 9, they raised enough questions about the marines' veracity that General Chiarelli referred the matter to the senior Marine commander in Iraq, who ordered a criminal investigation that officials say could result in murder charges being brought against members of the unit. Colonel Watt's findings also prompted General Chiarelli to order a parallel investigation into whether senior Marine officers and enlisted personnel had attempted to cover up what happened.
Colonel Watt's inquiry included interviews with marines believed to be involved in the killings, as well as with senior officers in the unit, the Third Battalion of the First Marine Regiment.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/31/world/middleeast/31haditha.html?hp&ex=1149048000&en=b61ae628ca0d9159&ei=5094&partner=homepage
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 10:23 PM
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1. The story gets weirder and weirder.
Why was an Army officer (Col. Gregory Watt) investigating this incident?

Why did Captain Kimber keep his job until last month?
Kimber, who was nominated for a Bronze Star for valor in Haditha, was relieved of command last month because his subordinates in the battalion's Lima Company used profanity and criticized the performance of Iraqi security services during an interview with Britain's Sky News TV, Hackett said.

(the latter quote is from: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Marines-Iraq-Investigations.html?_r=1&oref=slogin)
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 08:26 AM
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7. Kimber lost his command due to . . . what again?
Because his subordinates used profanity and bad-mouthed the Iraqi trainees? Kimber lost his command because of that? What his subordinates did?

Let that sink in for a moment: Kimber was relieved of command because his subordinates used profanity.

Kimber was relieved of command because his subordinates used profanity.

Kimber was relieved of command because his subordinates used profanity.

Kimber was relieved of command because his subordinates used profanity.
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 08:32 AM
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8. What the
FUCK? Like that? Or could it be for Ordering subordinates to shoot kids in the head?
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 08:36 AM
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9. Something likehow Bush* fired Cheney for saying "fuck off" to a US Senator
Ooops he didn't do that did he. In fact he has not fired anyone for anything.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 08:42 AM
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11. We don't want our troops to be vulgar while shooting children in the head
That would indicate an unforgivable lack of decorum.





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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:54 AM
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12. Yep
It might give the wrong image of America's freedom spreaders.
Can't risk tarnishing the US diplomatic image abroad can they?
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 12:06 AM
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2. kick
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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 04:24 AM
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3. kick for the morning
and recommend
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 04:33 AM
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4. AWOL Bush and Five Deferments Cheney have led America to shame
first by lying to our troops and citizens about WMD, and implying that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11. Then for condoning a culture of fear, torture, and general disregard of human rights.

George AWOL Bush and Dick "Five Deferments" Cheney are responsible. The fish rots from the head down.
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FreeStateDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 07:13 AM
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5. This needs to be repeated since it will never be said in the corp. media.
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Fluffdaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 07:23 AM
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6. Bring em on !.........Where was George and Dick when it was their
turn to step-up
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 08:39 AM
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10. Murtha brought another issue up that has not been covered by MSM
He said on Sunday with George Steph. that the victims received reparation payments. I would imagine that only someone high up in command could order payments to victim's families. How high up does this cover-up go?
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:57 AM
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13. This actually gives officers a layer of deniability
Just business as usual, more collateral damage.

"How could we know it was a massacre? We just filled out the usual paperwork."
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