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Tom Yossarian Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 04:15 PM Original message |
Chavez backs Peru candidate |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
1. Sounds almost like something Bush would say... |
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BayCityProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 04:38 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. no shit |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 04:41 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Ya think? |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 06:39 PM Response to Reply #4 |
22. If by sugar coated you mean 2x4-to-the-groin. |
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ShockediSay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 05:35 PM Response to Reply #1 |
13. Agreed: time for Hugo to back off and stick to Venezuelan |
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ny_liberal (387 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 07:49 PM Response to Reply #1 |
28. I can't support the threating other nations and other governments |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 09:50 AM Response to Reply #1 |
37. That's rich |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 04:33 PM Response to Reply #37 |
51. Maybe, but they are both rotten or rotting... |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 04:44 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. There is quite the difference |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 04:47 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Chavez has no business meddling in Peru's election |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 09:24 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Chavez does have business |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 09:57 PM Response to Reply #56 |
62. Meddling may be more like throwing money into opposition groups, |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 05:38 PM Response to Reply #56 |
101. He's certainly free to express his views. |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 06:02 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. That's not meddling |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-01-06 11:39 AM Response to Reply #103 |
109. Difference in degree doesn't invalidate the term meddling. |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-01-06 03:08 PM Response to Reply #109 |
111. It's not a matter of degrees |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 06:41 PM Response to Reply #101 |
104. Thanks for calling attention to my article. I hope a lot of DU'ers will |
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happydreams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 07:42 PM Response to Reply #54 |
105. Meddling smeddling. |
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Imajika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 04:39 PM Response to Original message |
3. Oh woe are the Peruvians.... |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 04:52 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. There is one distinction: Chavez didn't try to overthrow Bush. |
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Imajika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 04:58 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Whether the evidence really shows.. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 09:31 AM Response to Reply #9 |
33. Chavez is attempting to personally dominate Latin American internal |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 04:42 PM Response to Reply #9 |
52. yes, he is launching a pre-emptive coup |
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happydreams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 07:45 PM Response to Reply #52 |
107. Pure Straussian/Machiavellianism |
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happydreams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 07:44 PM Response to Reply #9 |
106. Oh BULLSHIT!! |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-01-06 03:33 PM Response to Reply #106 |
113. notice how some use the term "threatening" or "Threaten" |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
5. GOOD! |
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Imajika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 04:54 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Yes, because threatening... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 04:57 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Deleted sub-thread |
stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-01-06 03:31 PM Response to Reply #7 |
112. I Say It Nicer This Time |
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drduffy (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
10. Chavez probably knows full well that if |
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BayCityProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 05:14 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. I just don't |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 05:39 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. What Chavez is doing is probably prudent in the face of US Corporatism |
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Imajika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 05:43 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. If Chavez had waited... |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 05:48 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. In the long-run, forming a united front is still prudent, but Chavez... |
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Imajika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 05:55 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Insightful post.. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 05:58 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. This fight with Hugo Chavez was started by Alan Garcia some time ago. |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 06:03 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. If that information is true, I can more understand why he supports Humala |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 06:16 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. He's had a real smear campaign going on against Ollanta Humala. |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 06:39 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. I hope Obrador can pull a victory |
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Flanker (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 07:45 PM Response to Reply #19 |
27. Garcia was one of the worst leaders ever |
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Tom Yossarian Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 06:59 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. A large part has to do with Peru Copper< Inc. (CUP) |
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INDIA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 12:18 PM Response to Reply #11 |
43. How dare you say that!! |
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Imajika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 05:28 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Ummm, no thanks.. |
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drduffy (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 06:57 PM Response to Reply #12 |
24. Precisely how is he being a 'bully'...has he |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
23. I'm suprised no one has tried the "Oh he was intentionally mistranslated.. |
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Flanker (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 07:50 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. People are at the big deal stage 3 weeks ago |
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ronnie624 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 12:11 PM Response to Reply #23 |
42. Because everyone knows |
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INDIA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 12:20 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Link? n/t |
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ronnie624 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 12:20 AM Response to Reply #44 |
64. Sorry about the delay |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 12:58 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. Here's an easy to grasp example of an obnoxious "mis-translation:" |
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ronnie624 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 12:32 AM Response to Reply #46 |
65. Thank you very much for the link. |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 06:15 PM Response to Reply #23 |
116. Those guys don't give up their lies easily, do they. |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 07:31 PM Response to Original message |
26. The Bolivarians view the region--Bolivia, Peru, Venezuela--differently |
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Imajika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 09:39 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Ya, that's all wonderful.. |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 09:28 PM Response to Reply #30 |
57. Backing a candidate is hardly 'interfering' |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 09:08 AM Response to Reply #26 |
31. Gran Colombia was Colombia, Ven, Ecuador, and Panama |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 09:33 AM Response to Reply #26 |
34. A bigger country doesn't mean a dictator is less likely |
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RagingInMiami (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 01:02 PM Response to Reply #26 |
47. And I'm sure Chavez would nominate himself the leader of this united |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 01:28 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. not even close!!! |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 09:29 PM Response to Reply #49 |
58. What is this conclusion based on? n/t |
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ronnie624 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 12:48 AM Response to Reply #58 |
66. I too would like to know |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 07:28 AM Response to Reply #66 |
72. what do you mean? Hugo is the second coming of Simon Bolivar |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 07:55 AM Response to Reply #72 |
74. In other words, there's no basis for that opinion? |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 06:20 PM Response to Reply #58 |
117. Yeah, I'd like to know, too. So far, the RECORD proves otherwise! |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
32. Never mind that Garcia is also center-left. |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 09:39 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. if Hugo doesn't support him, he must be bad |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 09:50 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Oh. Of course. How could I forget that? |
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Flanker (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 10:13 AM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Garcia is bad because he was a disaster |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 10:18 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. amazing he is in the lead isn't it? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 09:35 PM Response to Reply #39 |
61. Deleted message |
1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 07:59 AM Response to Reply #39 |
75. Since when has winning elections been the measure for you of whether |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 08:01 AM Response to Reply #75 |
76. oh, I agree |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 08:05 AM Response to Reply #76 |
78. That doesn't make you feel the slightest bit hypocritical? |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 08:12 AM Response to Reply #78 |
79. what are you talking about? |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 08:15 AM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Perhaps I'm reading too much into your tea leaf posts. |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 08:18 AM Response to Reply #80 |
81. or you could just explain your analysis maybe and try |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 08:21 AM Response to Reply #81 |
82. The subject line of you post reads like "shut up, he's winning." |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 08:32 AM Response to Reply #82 |
83. you are hallucinating. I have no idea what you are talking about |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 08:41 AM Response to Reply #83 |
84. "amazing that he's in the lead, isn't it?" |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 08:53 AM Response to Reply #84 |
85. no, I'm saying despite his past performance |
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ronnie624 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 12:01 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. Correct. n/t |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 09:34 PM Response to Reply #35 |
60. Too bad the facts agree |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 07:32 AM Response to Reply #60 |
73. right, and Humala is so much better |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 04:52 PM Response to Reply #73 |
90. What |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 04:55 PM Response to Reply #60 |
91. And yet it is interesting that people are willing to try him again instead |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 04:58 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. Kind of like Bush? n/t |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 05:00 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. Comparing Garcia to Bush is a little harsh. |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 05:08 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. Perhaps |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 10:35 AM Response to Reply #32 |
40. He's no progressive. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 02:28 PM Response to Reply #40 |
50. Is that why when he was president he nationalized so many companies? |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 09:30 PM Response to Reply #50 |
59. That's only part of it |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 10:32 AM Response to Reply #59 |
86. He's not a big time free trader. |
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INDIA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
45. Great Thread! |
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ronnie624 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 01:00 AM Response to Reply #45 |
67. Can you be more specific? |
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INDIA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 12:06 PM Response to Reply #67 |
87. Sure I will |
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ronnie624 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 01:22 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Does that make enough sense for me? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 04:58 PM Response to Reply #87 |
92. Doesn't make any sense at all to me... |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
48. Humala tells Chavez to %#@^%-off |
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ronnie624 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 02:21 AM Response to Reply #48 |
69. You may hope |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 07:26 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. so what is your take?? |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 06:23 PM Response to Reply #69 |
118. It is to be expected, from his history of posts. |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 07:27 PM Response to Original message |
55. Has Ollanta Humala ever really clarified his overt and covert homophobia? |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 08:03 AM Response to Reply #55 |
77. "There should not be discrimin. against people {based on sexuality}" O.H. |
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Andrushka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 10:59 PM Response to Original message |
63. "meddling"? "interfering"? |
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ronnie624 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 01:13 AM Response to Reply #63 |
68. He isn't "meddling" or "interfering" of course. |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 07:27 AM Response to Reply #63 |
71. no, he's saying that if Humala doesn't win, Venezuela won't |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 04:34 PM Response to Reply #71 |
89. He also talked about US elections in 2004, didn't he? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 05:00 PM Response to Reply #89 |
94. heh heh |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 05:07 PM Response to Reply #89 |
97. Just found this ort which might bring back some fond memories! |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 05:32 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. In other words, Chavez is acting like a tinpot Bushie? |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 05:50 PM Response to Reply #99 |
102. You would be ennobled if you jumped in and started reading more |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 05:02 PM Response to Reply #63 |
96. You know... |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 05:35 PM Response to Reply #63 |
100. Threatening to cut off relations if your guy doesn't win is meddling |
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Just Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 07:54 PM Response to Reply #63 |
108. YUP! YUP! YUP! Wanna' talk "meddling", talk US foreign policy. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-01-06 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
110. Someone needing a real example of "meddling" need go no further |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-01-06 03:44 PM Response to Reply #110 |
114. Exactly.... |
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ButterflyBlood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-04-06 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
115. Hey Chavez, let the Peruvians make their own decision |
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gordianot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-07-06 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
119. You choose who you will have relations with based on a vote? |
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