Kerry hits back at Mary Cheney over 'son of a bitch' comments

[rawstory]

Kerry hits back at Mary Cheney over 'son of a bitch' comments

In response to an article Wednesday in which Vice President Dick Cheney's lesbian daughter is quoted as calling Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) a "son of a bitch" for mentioning her sexuality in the presidential debates, Kerry's office fired off this retort to RAW STORY.

Kerry spokesman David Wade said Mary Cheney had "flacked for the most anti-gay administration in history."

“Seems like a suspicious lecture from a political operative who flacked for the most anti-gay administration in history and allowed Karl Rove to divide America for political gain," Wade said. "She’d be more credible if she pushed dad’s administration to support hate crimes legislation and equal rights for gay Americans.”

In a her new book, Mary Cheney slams Kerry.

(Read on -- Mary calls John Edwards 'slimeball' -- we're trying to get a response on that -- http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Kerry_hits_back_at_Mary_Cheney_0510.html)

[RobertSeattle]

1. Way to go Kerry!

Poor Mary...
...Need to play nice with her Dad lest she lose the multi million dollar inheritance.

Just noticed this is a dupe
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1148583

[cat starbuck]

81. Kerry should have told her....

to go "cheney" herself.

Sorry. this has been done to death, right?

[TankLV]

101. But we always enjoy it - hit it hard and OFTEN.

WE never get tired of reminding people of the TRUTH!

[BlueStater]

2. What a bitch

She's a complete and total disgrace to homosexuals and lesbians everywhere.

[sweetheart]

8. i'm glad kerry kept it civil

I would have dismissed that fucking c*** in so many words.

Cheney breeds the ugly stuff, wow, that DNA luckily
won't be passing on.

[TechBear_Seattle]

15. Speaking as a gay man, I'm glad Mary is one of us

That means she is unlikely to procreate. I would hate to think about her end of the gene pool getting any shallower.

[Lisa0825]

28. LOL

:rofl: good perspective!

[Critters2]

34. Oh, God!

:spray:

[0007]

50. Beautiful fucking beautiful

[AussieDave]

63. No self-respecting sperm would be caught dead anywhere near HER eggs

:o

[Sarah Ibarruri]

85. Let's hope the bitch doesn't get artificially inseminated

And that she doesn't shoot her partner in the face. She has asshole genes.

[spinnaker]

151. What is this ? freerepublic.com ?

I think we can leave this type of language for the wingnuts over there.

[Runcible Spoon]

164. actually toots, such language is what makes us DIFFERENT

from the Kool Aid drinking Freepers. It's called passionate expression of a point of view. I personally love to see it alive and well, even when I passionately express my personal disagreement with someone (altho in this case I fully hope that Mary does NOT hit up David Horowitz, Karl Rove, or fucking even himbo extraordinaire Jeff Gannon/Gluckert for sperm so that she can spawn another generation of Log Cabin Uncle Toms)

[Sarah Ibarruri]

169. Exactly! Expressing our views openly is VITAL! Freepers are all robots.

We're not. And yes, I do hope Mary Cheney does not get artificially inseminated.

[neuvocat]

88. Fascinating.

I never would have thought of something like that in a thousand years. Bravo.

[Lost-in-FL]

98. Ouch!

:rofl:

[TankLV]

102. Speaking as a gay man myself, she'd NEVER be "one of us".

And I could never associate the word "glad" with her.

She's a self-loathing/hating repuke BITCH.

That is not "one of us" at all.

[TechBear_Seattle]

117. When you make lemonade from what life gives you...

Don't forget the sugar next time. :hi:

[genieroze]

171. As a heterosexual woman I totally agree with you but you use more

restraint. I'm so tempted to use the C word, but I won't. I did that once and got my post pulled.

[blondeatlast]

107. LOL! nt

[eridani]

140. Don't count on it.

Sperm aren't that expensive, and are often available free of charge. If they go that route, let's hope it's her partner that uses the sperm.

[genieroze]

170. Artificial insemination?

[Mad_Dem_X]

47. Senator Kerry is a gentleman

More so than most of the other men in D.C.

[0007]

112. Real fucking class, 'eh?

[frylock]

11. and human beings..

in general.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

31. Why stop there?

I'd say "humans", but she might not be one of those. :-)

[No Exit]

173. Mary has the trademark Cheney Sneer.

I took a brief look at LKL last night (with the TV on mute), and saw her. And I saw it: there it was, just a little hint of that sneer that her father is so famous for.

Mary Cheney is irrelevant. I don't care about her. I don't care about her (incipient) billions. I don't care about her sexuality. I don't care about her partner. I don't care about her (nepotism-driven) jobs. I don't care about her fucking damned book. I don't care about her looks (except for the sneer, which caused me to have an "oh my God!" moment.)

I don't care what's in her mind, because I fancy I have already peered into there, and seen the following: "When the old bastard dies, I'll finally be on permanent Easy Street". No, I don't KNOW what she's thinking. I am just guessing. But I bet my guess is right.

I think her sister Liz was Deferment No. 3. Which was she--Deferment No. 4, or No. 5?

[Quakerfriend]

3. Excellent response by Wade! She really set herself up for

that one!!

[BlueInPhilly]

6. Actually, she's a complete disgrace to humanity!

She should shut up and go f*ck herself! But wait - she probably already does - those vibrators can be... very multi-functional!

[radwriter0555]

132. That was crude and unnecessary. Perhaps you could edit that a little

bit?

[No Exit]

174. You, sir, are guilty of trademark violation!

Don't you know that the expression "Go fuck yourself!" (that's right--without the asterisk!) is the trademark phrase of the Cheney Dynasty? (I think it's printed on the Cheney coat-of-arms or something...)

:)

[Tellurian]

4. Psycho Mary also barricaded herself in Iraq as an Anti-War protester..

and embarrassed the HELL out of Dick..

If memory serves, Dick had to go after her and yank her out of there before
the shooting/bombing started.

[Supersedeas]

177. oh, but now she is setting the record 'straight'

[Name removed]

5. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[MADem]

7. WHO is gonna BUY Mary's book?? Seriously???

The gay-hating conservatives? The self-loathing closeted people??

Who????

[area51]

12. Who will buy her book?

Possibly only the self-loathing Log Cabin Repubs. :shrug:

[progressoid]

80. It's #214 at Amazon today

But Madeline Albright's book is at #50 so there is still hope for humanity.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

86. Evangelical, right wing born-againers like GW Bush? :-) nt

[stanwyck]

94. Scaife's billionaire mob of bulk buyers

who buy Coulter's and O'Reilly's books in order to manipulate Americans into thinking these people are widely read and respected. They don't have numbers due to individual sales. The Bushies buy these books in bulk and then have them handed out as party favors. It's a way to artificially make the books appear as best sellers.
Don't worry. Mummy and Daddy will call their friends and have them order a few hundred thousand books. Each.
As for a REAL audience for her book? I guess the Log Cabin Republicans, those other gay people who fight self-loathing every day and think voting for those who hate them somehow "atones" for their gayness.
It's heart-breaking to watch her. She seem in pain. And her hate is visible. I guess she's been steeped in it since birth.

[blondeatlast]

111. Precisely. I didn't see your reply when I replied below.

You are right on the money--and those losers will be donated to libraries nationwide who can't use them.

[smtpgirl]

122. Funny that is the impression that I got from that Larry King

interview. I am gay, and I am not proud of her AT ALL!!

She lives in a dream world, she is DEFINITELY republican, no soul at all.

She made a few inferences about Kerry flip-flopping and she totally hates Edwards, well Mary honey, look at your doorstep, you live with those lyin', thievin', cheatin' asshats everyday.

I don't have to atone for my gayness and I don't make apologies that I am gay. My family accepts me for who I am, and I don't thieve, lie and steal to make my life better.

I do have a conscience and I don't have to write a book about it, I live it everyday.

Too bad for her, she has so much pain inside and she directed it to the wrong crowd.

This is one butch that will not buy her book or read it for FREE!!

my 2 cents

[stanwyck]

158. Her obvious venom

for Kerry (and her adolescent "flip flop" references) really bothered me. Edwards, too. Neither man insulted her. And the video played showed her duplicity.
She does seem to be passively apologetic and abashed by her sexuality. Why else would she be so adamantly hostile to having it mentioned by Kerry? He didn't out her.
She's conflicted.
And that is very sad.

[MADem]

161. It's sad in a teenager. It's evidence of craven greed winning over

principle in an adult.

Clearly, a comfortable, moneyed life means more to her than a life lived authentically. She's letting others define her as "less than" because she doesn't live up to their mean, hypocritical and foolish ideals.

At her age, with her education and opportunities, she isn't a victim anymore. She's COMPLICIT.

[stanwyck]

165. You're right. This was brought out

when a caller spoke of how Ohio's amendments to not only ban gay marriage but also benefits for partners brought out the anti-gay/rightwing hate votes which gave Bush the state - narrowly. She refused to acknowledge the damage to gay rights and chose to speak instead of the "good people of Ohio" recognizing a better candidate.
Better for whom?
Total, as you say, complicity.
As well as very intentional obscuring of the facts.

[Tiggeroshii]

168. Yeah, its just like the whole Repug strategy

Take something that doesn't really insult anyone(mentioning the well-known fact that Mary Cheney is a lesbian), change it just a slight bit(Kerry outed her in the debates!), and then bitch about it from here to eternity(all the while ignoring suffering in Darfur, and illegal wiretapping). That's what you do if your party lacks a soul.

[chelsea0011]

142. This has to be true. I have never seen in any bookstore anyone ever pick

up a Coulter book and head to the register. Never. But I do flip her books over so her face never is facing the public.

[Lost-in-FL]

100. I have seen Soccer Moms get Laura's Biography

:sarcasm: I saw someone the other day at the Barnes & Noble register with that new Laura's biography.

Some people are just pathetic. The lady looked like Mary's book would be too gay for her. :eyes:

[blondeatlast]

110. Speaking as a book buyer for a library, I can tell you EXACTLY who will.

RW Conservative groups will buy it in bulk to drive it up on the bestseller lists, then offer them free to donors who will in turn flood libraries with unwanted copies.

Check out the NYT Bestseller lists sometime--that asterisk by a book title means that NYT is getting reports from retailers that they are being asked to buy mass quantities of certain books.

ALL the RW books are marketed that way--the dreck from Ann Coulter, Rush, Hannity, and so on ad nauseum.

It's the dirty little secret that isn't so secret anymore--and I have access to information that indicates that that is EXACTLY what's going on with dear Mary's epic work as well.

[LostinVA]

143. Thanks for mentioning the NYT Bestsellers "dagger"

As an ex book buyer and a current library type, I LOVED explaining the dagger to my RW BIL a few years ago... and telling him that Dianetics is another one bulk bought....

[stanwyck]

159. O'Reilly had one of his on-air

red in the face fits when the press pointed out that Hillary's book was trouncing his in "individual sales". He ranted and raved about cooked numbers.
Which is bizarre -- considering the bulk buying practice of artificially ramping up conservative authors' books.
Thanks for the info. Everyone should know how these books are being distributed.

[Ilsa]

113. It'll show up next to Karen Hughes blatherings in the Dollar General

Stores. Seriously, I found Hughes' Ten Minutes From Normal next to the large print Word Find puzzles at the local Everything's a Dollar store.

We've got all of those dollar franchises here. We used to have tons of pawn shops, but alot have closed. Now we have alot of those dollar stores selling really cheap shit from China. Occasionally, you'll find something worth having for a $1.

[Ravenseye]

9. The Democrats need to be carefull. They might lose the gay vote.

I mean you have to admit the Republican party has to be looking a little bit attractive to the gay vote right now. What with all their banning of gay marriage, and taking away as many civil rights as they can from the GBLT community...
:sarcasm:

Mary Cheney. Another self hater.

[acmavm]

16. They may lose the gay vote??? Oh never mind, I just noticed

the red dripping sarcasm thingey.

[zreosumgame]

99. LOL

read slower :)

[reichstag911]

10. Way ta butch-slap that Cheney! n/t

[xchrom]

13. good for kerry!

one has to stand up to these freaks.

mary cheney is trying to be ann coulter junior here -- and that should go for about 80% off at the bookstore.

[Cha]

14. Who knew mary cheney would

turn out to be such a foul mouth little pos?

[CTyankee]

45. She got it from her father, obviously!

Good ole "go f*ck yourself" Dick Cheney.

[Cha]

55. Yeah, and her

mother looks like she could spew venom like cheney.

[radwriter0555]

134. The leaf doesn't fall far from the tree. He's nasty, she's nasty, what's

the shock? Lynn is no prize either.

Classless trash, all the way around.

[bleever]

17. Poor Mary!

Not allowed to work in peace for those who use fear and hatred of homosexuals to divide the nation.


:nopity:

[wisteria]

18. Good for him, I heard her go off yesterday on a radio program

bashing Kerry and calling him names. Edward's was mentioned as being a slimy lawyer. She is a real nasty partisan hack, who is low enough to exploit herself for money. Kerry meant nothing in his remarks other than trying to reach out and call for some understanding and sensitivity in regards to gay Americans and Rove and the others sold her out to win some votes all the while she goes right along for the ride. And she was a part of the "ideals" this country embraced during the last election?:sarcasm:

[bigscott]

22. why waste time

on that self-hating POS?

[Canuckistanian]

54. Exactly, which is the anti-gay party here?

She feels offended as a gay person because her sexual orientation was mentioned by a Democrat, the only party working for tolerance and acceptance of gays??

Her orientation was hardly a secret before that.

If she's so goddamned sensitive about it, why doesn't she work on her own party?

[smtpgirl]

124. Wisteria,

That is what is called holding a GRUDGE, she couldn't wait to bash Kerry-Edwards, but in the end she bashed herself.

No forgiveness

[Clovis Sangrail]

19. Kerry didn't say ANYTHING... read the story

a staffer responded to a question.

It's a less than honest headline.
I WISH Kerry had just come out and said she's a twit, but I don't think he has the testicular fortitude to do so.

[ginnyinWI]

23. no, no, no--that wouldn't have been smart.

That's what M.Cheney wanted. Kerry was right not to dignify it with a personal response.

[Clovis Sangrail]

26. right......

like he was right not to dignify the swift boat vets with a commment

[wisteria]

30. Exactly! n/t

[BlueStater]

24. Or he has too much class to sink to the little twerp's level n/t

[wisteria]

27. The statement was released through Kerry's office. This statement

represents his feelings and his words. For him to respond directly to her comments would have given her more credibility. It is common practice for statements to be released through their office spokespersons.

[Clovis Sangrail]

39. so what?

It's not like Wade said "Senator Kerry feels this is a suspicious lecture from a political operative who flacked for the most anti-gay administration in history"

He used the first person.Those were HIS opinions.
From TFA I can't see anywhere that Wade attributes those opinions to Kerry.

[Name removed]

70. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Name removed]

75. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[LA lady]

38. wish washy

I still can't believe he won't support gay marriage.
If he gets the nomination, I'll vote but it won't be easy

[WildEyedLiberal]

69. Where the fuck are you people coming from all of a sudden?

What the fuck was wishy washy about that comment, pray?

Cluestick: there was one pro-gay rights candidate in election 2004. Additional hint: it wasn't George Bush.

Jesus fucking Christ.

[LostinVA]

145. I was wondering the same thing... and I agree -- the statement

was far from wishy washy.

[TayTay]

83. Maybe you ought to do some homework on his stands

Kerry was one of only 14 Senators to vote against DOMA in 1996. He has one of the strongest Gay Rights stances in Congress and has since he got there.

He is my home state Senator and I will put his record against anyones. Anyones.

[LA lady]

116. ok explain this to me?

My son was devastated by his remarks.

Earlier this year, Kerry was the only member of the state's all-Democrat congressional delegation who chose not to sign a letter urging the state Legislature to reject a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. When the Legislature convened last month to consider amendment language, Kerry stayed silent, a position that drew criticism from several gay media outlets. New England's largest gay-targeted newspaper, In Newsweekly, cited Kerry's "flip-flops" on the issue of gay marriage in an editorial to be published today
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/articles/2004/02/26/kerry_backs_state_ban_on_gay_marriage/

The president and I share the belief that marriage is between a man and a woman. I believe that. I believe marriage is between a man and a woman.

http://www.debates.org/pages/trans2004d.html



Kerry Again Opposes Same-Sex Marriage
But Democrat Has Gay Groups' Vote
By Paul Farhi
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, May 15, 2004; Page A06

With his home state set to begin marrying same-sex couples on Monday, Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) reiterated his opposition to the idea yesterday, even as he met with gay and lesbian groups to shore up their support.
The presumptive Democratic nominee has long opposed gay marriage, favoring instead state-sanctioned civil unions that extend legal protections to gay couples.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A28118-2004May14.html

[MH1]

133. Huh? What's to explain?

He has consistently stated that he is opposed to gay marriage, however will not support a ban unless it provides for a legal construct granting equivalent legal rights as marriage - i.e. civil unions with full rights.

Why should he have stepped into the state legislature question anyway?

No, the use of the term "flip-flop" in this sense is a ridiculous right-wing lie promoted by a certain faction who are allegedly representing a wing of gay rights folks who can't understand that Kerry voted against DOMA and WHY he voted against it. His position has been completely consistent. That these alleged "gay rights activists" pretend they don't agree with his position does not make it a "flip flop".

Be careful who you are lieing down with when you buy into inaccurate accusations like this. You might get up with fleas.

[LA lady]

137. OK, but I think it could be b etter

My son and his partner are at Amherst (U of Mass) and I know they are really dissappointed. I believe what they tell me cause I love them both. peace

[Name removed]

68. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[WinkyDink]

82. Mary is a.) a young woman; b.) a citizen, not an elected official. Thus,

it would be both boorish and pointless to respond directly.

[LostinVA]

144. Why the insult against Kerry? Why say he's ball-less?

No, I'm not being snarky, I really want to know. Why slam him for no reason?

Do you really and truly not understand what someone's spokesman does, be it Kerry's, Madonna's, Bill Gates'? nOr are you just spinning and slamming Kerry?

Kerry's spokesman saying it is the SAME thing as Kerry saying that. But you know that already, don't you?

[Ms. Clio]

20. good for him

think wheelbarrows, John.

[ginnyinWI]

21. Interesting choice of insult from a supposed feminist.

I mean, I assume she considers herself a feminist.

Calling somebody an S.O.B. insults the man's mother more than the man himself. "Bastard" is another one.

[darkmaestro019]

74. I noticed that too. So she's offended by being called a lesbian

and hates women, or at least the woman that gave birth to Kerry.

Hmm.

Nice parenting, Dad. (applause) Maybe as an encore you could try to wreck everybody the way you seem to have wrecked your daughter...oh wait...

EDIT: Maybe it's easier to hate herself--and the other women she sees herself in, because she's surrendered to...well, Dick? (tongue in cheek a bit)

[Hissyspit]

25. If "DICK" Cheney was your dad, you'd be pretty fucked up, too.

She's making an ass of herself publicly. Tom Cruise has more credibility.

[chaumont58]

29. Mary Cheney is a truly stupid woman

99 percent of repukes would burn her at the stake, solely because she has loved a woman.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

32. Good to see Kerry firing right back

I never quite understood why Kerry mentioning the fact that she is gay during the 2004 Presidential debates to highlight the bigotry of the Bush Administration (of which HER FATHER is part) was so upsetting to her, Cheney, and, ironically enough, the largely homophobic RW media. It's not like Kerry discussed her being gay in a negative manner, nor was the fact that she is a lesbian unknown to most people (that pay attention to the news anyway). She is certainly entitled to her opinions about Kerry, however loathsome they may be, but it is very sad (at least to me) to see people like her and groups like the "Log Cabin Republicans" supporting an administration with an agenda that is unsupportive, indeed HOSTILE, to advancing the cause of equal rights for people like them. WHAT in the world could be so important to them that they would WILLINGLY collaborate in their own disenfranchisement? MONEY? Tax cuts? What? :wtf:

[wellst0nev0ter]

41. Oh, It's No Mystery Why "Kerry The Gaybasher" Dominated The News Cycle

It's because during that debate, Kerry called on Bush's saying that he "wasn't concerned" about Bin Laden in early 2002. Bush of course denied it, and Bush handlers know that the continuous juxtaposition of Bush's 2002 statements and his denial during the debate would cost him the election.

So they ginned up a coordinated media "outrage" over Kerry calling Cheney's daughter a lesbian. And the useless media played along. And as they say, the rest is history. :eyes:

[Oleladylib]

95. You see she can call herself a lesbian and Dad has to admit

to it..but, heaven forbid anyone else mentions it..Must be something really guilty in her makeup!!

[Lost-in-FL]

105. The problem is that...

Kerry did not brought it up. I believe it was Edwards during the Vice-Presidential debate. I still don't understand why is she calling him SOB.

I just noticed she is as ugly as her father. Two look alike.

[CTyankee]

147. I hate to say this, but Kerry was wrong to bring up Mary being

gay in the context of that particular moment in the debate. It seemed to come from nowhere. It "felt" wrong to me.

As to why there even IS such a thing as a gay Republican, I can only guess that part of their brains are so kool aided out that their rationality just can't take hold.

[rodeodance]

33. Good for you Kerry

[xultar]

35. Notice Kerry was being mature. HE didn't call her a muthafucka.

He was polite but stern in his response and he was directly attacked.

Why can't people see this is what Hillary is trying to do with her nice comments on Chimpolini.

[greekspeak]

36. Dear Mary: Take a note from your dad and GO CHENEY YOURSELF

I hope that waste of breath has the audacity to show up at a pride parade some day and the Dykes on Bikes run the skank over.

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

37. I respect Mary about as much as I respect her father.

And I agree with Kerry. If Mary wants to bitch slap someone, start with Karl Rove, or shut the fuck up.

Well...Kerry didn't use those EXACT words...But I did.

:patriot:

[movonne]

40. Who gives a flying fuck what Mary Cheney has to say about anything,

especially about gay matters...

[coda]

42. Gee Mary. * and your dad are "dancing with the ones that brung'em"

And the ones that "brung'em", HATE YOUR GUTS.

Mary, would a "good man" support changing the Constitution for the expressed purpose of denying your freedoms?

That "SOB" Kerry wouldn't.

[niallmac]

43. I hope this means the "turn the other cheek" strategy is dead.n/t

[Chicago1]

44. Excellent Response Senator Kerry!!! Well Done!!!

Senator Kerry,


That was outstanding. You punched her where it hurts and HUMILIATED HER!!! Good for you.


Please call Senantor Edwards and tell him to respond to being called a "Slime Ball".


START THE REVOLUTION
START THE IMPEACHMENT

[Puglover]

46. What a despicable tool she is...

I wish Kerry had said something like "The fact that she was a liason between Coors and the gay community knocking down 6 figures a year seems to be somewhat of a conflict with her desire for privacy...

God, what a complete trainwreck of a human being.

I can't BELIEVE I made it through this post without using the b-word!

[stubertmcfly]

48. Everyone was so appalled...

...when Kerry "outed" her during the debates. I went to college with Mary. Graduated in '91. She has been out for a LONG LONG time.

[smtpgirl]

127. Who cares, I have been out for a long, long time too

BUT I AM NOT A TOOL OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY

Hey I know people too, does that make me better?

NO

I'm just livin' like most people

[Nimrod2005]

49. She is one son of a dick and son of a bitch herself!!!

I know she is a girl...

[anotherdrew]

51. FUCK YOU MARY CHENEY you ignorant bitch!

[TankLV]

104. Short and sweet and to the point. You said what I want, and have, many

times!

[Book Lover]

52. Dearie, you are the child of one of the most political politicos ever

And you have the nerve to be hurt when a political opponent uses you for his political gain? You came out all on your own; Kerry did not push you. Thicken up the skin, sister.

[smtpgirl]

126. Right on Book Lover

She has some mighty thin skin, for all that she has "gone" through during her life.

But then again she works for AOL

[ronnykmarshall]

53. Right on John!

I'm sure Momma T, had a few choice words about La Mary.

[kurth]

56. Mary Cheney's new book: "I LOVE BUSH"

- David Letterman, last night

[dweller]

58. Dave played an excerpt too ... from a book on tape version

she was going right along, merrily describing her life, when a shotgun blast went off, and she screamed "dammit Dad, you almost hit me!!"


Dave was having his fun :)

dp

[PurityOfEssence]

57. Q is for Quisling

This woman is a traitor to those of her own proclivity, and she's used her family connections to get jobs that are specifically based upon her sexuality. When Edwards mentioned her, she didn't even have the maturity to stand up and complain herself; she hid behind her sister, mom and dad. This person is a user and a self-indulgent, princess nobody.

She's the worst kind of traitor and opportunist.

[lumpy]

60. Like father like daughter.

What a sweety. Might we call her a DOB? She has no problen calling others SOBs, slimes and using her father's salute "F-off".

[smtpgirl]

129. She is like ALL OF the asshats

no backbone and all slander

can we get out of here, really, I can't wait for 2 1/2 more years of this bullshit

there is so much going on and we are worrying about a selfish bitch

[Charlie Brown]

59. I could not agree more

And since Mary Cheney did not publicly oppose the marriage amendment, that's pretty much the same as supporting it. If the Amendment does pass one day, she will be partly to blame.

[MODemocrat]

61. Wonder What Mary Cheney's problem is about being gay

She sounds as if she's overly sensitive about her sexual orientation. John Kerry did not say that in a hateful or spiteful way. What she called him however, is despicable, also quite typical coming from a fascist; Shame on her for that; John Kerry is a great person.

Here's to you Mary, you spoiled "brat." :spank: :thumbsdown:

[Midlodemocrat]

157. Funny that you say that, because I was wondering the same

thing. It seems to me that she hasn't come to terms with her sexual orientation and frankly, that's sad.

[onehandle]

62. Mary Cheney loves money like her terrible parents.

And nothing else. You can be gay and be a "major league asshole".

Luckily, the blood line ends there.

[newswolf56]

64. A little objective analysis about Mary Cheney:

While it seems to us whether gay or straight that Mary Chaney's support for the most maliciously anti-homosexual regime in U.S. history is at best hypocritical, at worst traitorous and in any case self-loathing of truly elephantine proportion -- a genuine cancer of the soul -- we nevertheless in our rush to judgment overlook a vital fact: that while Cheney's out-lesbianism makes her foul-mouthed support for the Bush Regime seem as if it is a near-parody of self-destructive wallowing-in-subjugation, in truth it is quite the opposite. Hers is instead the arrogant exceptionalism of the aristocracy, the patently offensive stance by which the ruling class lives out its obscenely privileged lives: "I have such a high station in life, I am exempted from all creeds and laws and even mores that govern lesser creatures." Thus as the vice-president drunkenly shoots a fellow hunter in the face and, because of his high position, escapes all punishment for his crime, so does his daughter embrace without fear of reprisal a sexuality her father and his colleagues would not only forbid by law and theocracy but punish by genocidal extermination.

While built-in aristocratic privilege of the Cheney sort is an old story throughout the former Confederacy and almost everywhere in New England, until the advent of the Bush Regime it was increasingly unheard of the further north one traveled from the Ohio River and the further west one got from the Appalachians: thus the aristocratic criminal whose status ensured against prosecution in Massachusetts or Mississippi would almost certainly be locked away behind bars were the same crimes committed in Michigan, and were those crimes committed in the far Northwest -- say in the so-called "Soviet of Washington" -- the criminal's aristocratic status would be rightfully regarded as cause to invoke the harshest punishment allowed by law. But no more: now, by example -- the unpunished drunken shotgunning of a fellow hunter and the toilet-tongued hypocritical denunciation of gay-rights activists -- we learn that America has joined Imperial Rome, pre-revolutionary France and Czarist Russia in harboring a sacrosanct elite, above not only the law but all considerations of morality: albeit it self-proclaimed, nevertheless a true ubermenschen.

Thus the historical truth of class struggle shows us, by objective analysis, the real significance of Mary Cheney's behavior and how it echoes the alleged response of Marie Antoinette: "So the masses are not only starving but deprived of bread by edict? Well then: let them eat cake."

[outeramerica]

93. Aristocratic Double Standard

In my opinion you have hit the nail squarely on the head, and explained in a clear, concise and well supported argument. She is not a Lesbian she is first a privileged aristocrat and even if a complete ban on homosexuality were to occur it would not apply to her, or at least there would be no one who could make it apply to her.

Just goes to show that sexual orientation, color, creed, do not matter, when you really get down to it assholes, and hypocrites come in all shapes and flavors and people are deep down what they are regardless of what paints the surface we see. Fortunately the inverse is also true, and nice people can be found in all shapes and flavors.

In here criticism of Kerry she despises him because ``What was offensive was that he was obviously trying to use me and my sexual orientation for his own political gain." I certainly hope she has a little room left for some self loathing as it is obvious that she is using her self betrayal and John Kerry's comments for her own monetary gain.

"The seed doesn’t fall far from the tree"

[newswolf56]

96. Thank you -- and welcome to DU! (n/t)

[smtpgirl]

130. WOW, you said that in one post, when I responded to many

Good job, I like it

[Lost-in-FL]

108. Wow!

Never thought of it that way. Bravo! :wow:

[newswolf56]

120. Correction of an especially dumb typo caught too late to edit:

the concluding sentence of the next-to-last paragraph should end: albeit self-proclaimed, nevertheless a true ubermenschen.

[eridani]

141. Right on!

Just noticed you seem to have a journal now. You didn't the last time I checked.

[Felinity]

148. Nicely put, newswolf56

I was about to move to a different thread, as this one was descending into a vent-fest (good fun, but the self-loathing gay traitor thing had pretty well played out).

BUT

Let's stop perpetuating false history. Marie Antoinette was "played" by enemies within the French aristocracy to be perceived by the public as a self-indulgent bitch who had no compassion for the common people. It is highly unlikely that she ever said "Let them eat cake," or if she did, it was not malevolent; but at worst, founded by a level of ignorance not of her own making. Thanks for the use of the word "alleged" but it would be better to trot out "noblesse oblige" and skip the insult to a woman disdained by history due in large part to the "swiftboat veterans" of the 18th century, don't you think?

Just for the record, Mary Magdalene was NOT a prostitute, but a noble of the house of Benjamin; swiftboated by the grand old Catholic Church; an institution that ironically suffered a devastating loss of power and property in the French Revolution.

What's with the name Mary, anyway?

If we don't stick to the truth here, our history books 20 years from now will read:

John Kerry didn't deserve his military honors; and

George W. Bush was the greatest President in US History for bringing peace and democracy to the Middle East.

[newswolf56]

163. I wrote "alleged" precisely because there is debate...

over what Antoinette said and if indeed she said it at all, but I nevertheless used the example because it remains instructive until positively proven false, especially since -- in general -- there is no doubt about the sociopathic malevolence of the pre-revolutionary French aristocracy. An aristocracy is never so thoroughly despised without just cause.

But, in retrospect and in acknowledgment of your critical comments, a better (and far more infuriating) example of unpunished aristocratic excess might have been Elizabeth Bathory -- though I would surely have had to write at least one additional paragraph to explain her sordid history.

As for Mary of Magdala, what is probably a much more accurate view of who she truly was is presented by Robert Graves in King Jesus, a work Christians are forever trying to suppress because it portrays the Magdalene as an unapologetic priestess of the Great Goddess who recognizes Jesu's royal lineage and therefore the magnitude of his heresy in proclaiming (as he is quoted in the now-lost Gospel of the Egyptians), "I am come to destroy the powers of the Female."

All that said, welcome to DU!

[Felinity]

175. Fascinating, newswolf56

The part about Mary of Magdala; time for more research, thanks for the reference.

[im10ashus]

65. She's such a lunatic.

She's Dick's daughter. Like breeds like. Go Kerry!

[Mr_Spock]

66. Are the Cheneys just angry rotten people?

I can't think of a nice thing to say about a one of them.

Must be fun living in that house :eyes:

[IndianaGreen]

67. Once again, Kerry bats a thousand!

The hypocrisy of Mary Cheney defence of the Iraq invasion is made more outrageous by the news from Iraq in which Iraqi gays have been murdered thanks to a homophobic fatwa by Grand Ayatollah Al-Sistani. I guess Cheney sees nothing wrong in gay people being murdered, beaten, and persecuted. Her ass is safe, why should she care about anyone else?

[darkmaestro019]

71. Mary. Honey. YOU ARE A LESBIAN

I am a tiny queergoth.

If someone CALLED ME a tiny queergoth, I'd be a bit puzzled as to why we were identifying random objects and persons around us, but not, uh, OFFENDED.

I tend to be offended by slanderous accusations, not, yanno, THE TRUTH.

Did anyone ever bother to point out to you that there's nothing wrong with being a lesbian? No? Maybe you're hanging out with the wrong crowd.

Get therapy, dear. Fast. Fast. Or you'll grow up to be just like dear old Dad. Though apparently, it's too late to prevent that.

Here's another noun for you: TRAITOR. Or how about HYPOCRITE.

[rzemanfl]

72. I made a suggestion a long time ago that some pornographer

could make a shit pile of money with a movie featuring Mary and Jenna look-a-likes. Since she is behaving like such a bitch, I make it again.

[iamthebandfanman]

73. shes a retard, doubt shes even gay!

I heard her on FOX say that she didnt care about gay marriage or equal rights for gays, that there were other more important things to worry about... like the war on terror.

im sorry, but anyone who talks that way about THEIR OWN RIGHTS is a FAKE and a FRAUD.

apparently we arent fighting a war on terror for Marys rights, cause she doesnt care if she has them or not!

[Sarah Ibarruri]

87. Oh she's gay for sure.

Just because someone is gay doesn't mean they can't be an evil *. Look at J. Edgar Hoover's story. Can you find a gay more evil and more right wing than him?

[raggedcompany]

76. Well said from Kerry's office.

Cheney the lesbo was long out of the closet--even to the mainstream media--when Kerry made his comment. He was right to do it. I applauded him then and he's right now.

[Riddler]

77. I wasn't aware that Lynne Cheney was Kerry's Mother!

[anitar1]

78. She is stirring this up for one reason. Hoping the general pubic

will be curious enough to buy her book. The same creeps that buy the tabloids. MONEY is her reason.Just like her Daddy. But Daddy and Mommy hate gays, Mary. they will not love or approve of you no matter how you try to please them.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

79. sure they'll love her. because she's theirs. they look after their own.

it's everybody else that can go to hell.

[roguevalley]

84. actually, she lives in a bubble. She has her family support which is the

only thing shielding her from the seething hatred of her own party. if her old man wasn't standing between her and the haters, she would be a dust pile on the floor. too bad she mistakes her party's silence on her out of respect for her father for acceptance. she's a prick, a sleaze and a fucking bitch. she needs her face slapped. what has she ever accomplished or earned that allows her to call people names? nothing. she's another entitlement queen.

[TankLV]

106. not "respect" - out of FEAR of her father!

[karynnj]

103. The problem is there's no there there

The entire controversy is 2 easily available tapes. There's nothing new to learn - other than if someone in the Bush/Cheney campaign who worked with Mary saw the light and could expose whether Mary was involved with any anti-gay actions.

[tlsmith1963]

89. I Saw Her Book Today...

and immediately thought, If Cheney were my father, I'd kill myself. Ugh!

Tammy

[Tellurian]

90. Yep, perfect example of Christian Values..n/t

[ToolTex]

91. As a gay man, I'd like to see Mary Cheney marry Andrew Sullivan.

Sounds like a match made in heaven to me.

[cantstandbush]

92. Did Kerry tell a lie about her as did the Swiftboaters about Kerry?

She is who she is and should not get angry about others correctly saying what her sexual ID is. I really detest gays who are hypocritical and who take politically expedient stands on the gay issue. Congress and the rest of government is full of these bastards.

[Skittles]

97. she values herself more as a bush whore

than as any kind of advocate for equal rights for gays

[jwirr]

109. Those Cheneys are sure a foul mouthed bunch!! SOB and FU.

[YOY]

114. Straight or Gay...anyone can be a asshole!

That's the magic of the right wing kids!

[Aviation Pro]

115. So how is Retard, two-year old land (FreeRepublic) handling Mary?

Are they calling her a carpetmuncher?

[CornField]

118. She was angry with him... so, she insulted his mother?

I thought it was far-fetched to have someone be gay and Republican. Now I've got to come to grips with gay, republican and anti-feminist too?

It's too bad Mary and the many others in similar circumstances don't look around often enough to realize the "big" tent is actually a small dome on the far east end of the property with all the true GOP party members partying in the main house up the road.

[mnhtnbb]

119. Like father, like daughter. No manners. No concern for anybody

but herself. More projection. Who's the son of a bitch, Mary?
Try looking in the mirror.

[oneold1-4u]

121. The problem

Mary is far too slow "growing up". She has ill advised herself about her own sexuality and knows very little about what that sexuality really means for millions of others. She seems to still think she is her own "island" and is, unfortunately, creating a not so nice closet for herself and partner.
It is really too bad that she didn't step out on her own and create her own life to write about.
She would have likely been much richer with her book and popularity. She could have been a leader and in great demand throughout her future.

[Zambero]

123. 2004 Anti-Gay Marriage Ballot Initiatives = Victory for Mary's Dad!

Personal political gain, eh Mary? While you're busy taking Kerry to task for the proverbial speck in his eye, kindly remove the old growth redwood log from your own shortsighted right socket. Good old Dad and his lesser sidekick won because your good ole Uncle Karl was able to engineer state-by-state anti-gay villification campaigns, which mobilized millions of voters -- who hate your guts because of what you are -- to vote in favor of depriving you of your basic human rights. Oh, and while they were gay-bashing at the polls, they paused to vote for the top of the GOP ticket. Uncle Karl may be a slimeball, be he certainly isn't a fool, and he couldn't have claimed victory without having people like you to trample on. Of course, all this social conservative posturing for the purpose of furthering an economic agenda had NOTHING to do with personal political gain!

[FudgeBudgie]

125. Some problems with this comment

As much of a tool as Mary is, this comment exposes some core ideological flaws:
1) All crimes are hate crimes. Should violent crimes against a particular demographic deserve more bearing than another? Doesn't seem to jibe with...
2) ...equal rights for gay Americans.

Of course crimes against the defenseless should receive different weighting at sentencing, but "hate-crime" is an appelation that just feeds the divide, since it only applies to member of the majority abusing a minority.

W/regards to #2, you can't force majority acceptance of a minority lifestyle - but it seems to me that most moderate people don't care what consenting adults do in private nowadays. The more you push for immediate change, the more resistance you are met with.

[savemefromdumbya]

128. strange that gay bashers would hire her as a campaign manager?

[FredScuttle]

131. SHE'S A LESBIAN!

A LESBIAN! A LESBIAN!!!!

[smtpgirl]

135. Wiki says it all!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Cheney


Attention to Cheney's sexuality
Mary Cheney's sexual orientation as a lesbian has become a source of increasing public attention because of her political involvement with the Republican Party and because of the burgeoning same-sex marriage debate.

In 2000, the Bush-Cheney campaign freely discussed Elizabeth Cheney's marriage and children, but treated Mary Cheney's private life as off-limits. <1>. Nevertheless, because her lesbianism was publicly known, it was seen as bolstering the image of the Republican ticket as "compassionate conservatives" <2>. Still, there were mixed signals regarding Mary. During an interview with Lynne Cheney, Cokie Roberts brought up the topic of Mary's having declared herself a lesbian. "She has declared no such thing," Lynne huffed, going on to scold Roberts for breaching some sort of journalistic ettiquette<3>. The exchange made big headlines and caused much head-scratching as to whether Lynne Cheney had a problem with her daughter's sexuality, or didn't know about it.

In January 2001, Cheney and Poe were both seen in attendance at the inauguration of President Bush and her father. However, during the campaign she and her family seemed to all but deny Cheney's sexual orientation.

In 2002, she joined the gay-friendly Republican Unity Coalition and said that sexual orientation should be "a non-issue for the Republican Party", with a goal of "equality for all gay and lesbian Americans." Some LGBT Americans saw the organization as little more then election year window dressing to appeal to "moderate swing voters" and they point out the fact that the organization soon vanished after the 2004 election, and that Mary resigned from the RUC's board and in July 2003 became the director of vice presidential operations for the Bush-Cheney 2004 Presidential re-election campaign.

In 2004, public attention refocused on Mary's sexuality when the Bush administration supported the Federal Marriage Amendment, a proposed amendment to the United States Constitution that would limit marriage to heterosexual couples and also ban civil unions and domestic partnership benifits. Mary Cheney has never publicly expressed her opinion of the amendment. Vice President Cheney, when asked during a campaign appearance about same-sex marriage, reiterated the position he took in the 2000 campaign, that the issue should be handled by the states. He added, though, that President Bush determined his administration's policies and his policy supported the Federal Marriage Amendment. <4>




BASICALLY, they "stuck" poor Mary in the back of the row

That is why she is mad

[Zynx]

136. She went too far, but I will say this much...

even with the hypocrisy of Dick Cheney and his daughter on this issue, I did not like when Kerry brought that up in the debate one bit. It made me feel dirty on a visceral level and it came off as an attempt to drive a wedge between Bush and the evangelicals. In addition to that, it proved to be awful politics as focus groups showed that Kerry's mention of Mary Cheney being a lesbian hurt him among swing voters.

[complain jane]

138. Mary Cheney can bite me. She's a spineless idiot.

How do you work for an administration like this, as a lesbian, and expect respect? F* her.

[slybacon9]

139. Oh who cares...

the only reason the right actually accepts her is because she shares their view on homosexuality... that it's a disease, worse than alcoholism, and one she is trying her best to face head on. She is self loathing, just like her dad taught her to be. What did anyone expect? Look at the situation. Honestly, Kerry didn't have to bring it up when he did. He was ruling that debate, like he did all the rest. And there were so many ways to answer that question that had more merit and could have actually meant something. It was a lost opportunity. It's not what cost him the election... that was diebold.

[Totally Committed]

146. If he had responded like this during the campaign

to the Swift Boaters and to the all of this "anti-gay" disinformation from the Cheney's, we might had had a different outcome. Glad to see him up and swinging in his own defense.

TC

[DUBYASCREWEDUS]

149. This is

a little on point. I live in Cleveland, Ohio. Since early this year we have been receiving recorded telephone messages about preserving the sanctity of marriage and that one-man, one-woman marriages are being threatened by the courts, and of course, the liberals, throughout the country and that action has to be taken to preserve the sanctity of marriage. This campaign smells of Ken Blackwell but I can't prove it. The point of this post is that last night I received another recorded message urging that we sign petitions and join throughout the country to protect America from homosexuals and gays. That these petitions would be presented to the leadership and to the President. I called the telephone number they provided: 1-877-266-6277 and told the party answering the phone that I didn't care whether Mr. & Mr. Jones or Mrs. & Mrs. Smith moved next door to me. I was more concerned about spending $250.00 a week to fill the gas tank on my Sunfire automobile and the 2400 dead Americans in Iraq. The woman on the other end hung up on me twice. The third time I called I told the man answering the phone that I wanted my phone number removed from the data base and I wanted no further telephone calls from right wing nut groups. So when I hear and read gays like Mary Cheney I get very angry. This party of hypocrites wants it both ways. They want to scare America by saying that Mr. & Mr. Smith is going to move next door yet in the same breath when someone like Kerry or Edwards tries to be sympathetic to their cause they lash out with their liberal garbage and hate messages. Further, I know that Blackwell has to be behind this because how else would these organizations get so many telephone numbers in Ohio. Also, Blackwell has a campaign ad discussing this very topic about preserving marriage between a man and a woman.

Thank you for allowing me to vent this morning. Again, I would urge all of you to call 1-877-266-6277 between the hours of 1:00 P.M. and 7:00 P.M. EST and voice your opinion to the ditto head answering the phone. Also, it might be fun to jam their phone lines!

[Iniquitous Bunny]

150. Pointing out Cheney's hypocrisy makes him a "son of a bitch"?

What does that make the hypocrite?

How could any gay person with a brain support any Republican? (Let alone these dofuses. Relation or not.)

[Bridget Burke]

152. Cheney has a huge fortune.....

Mary stands to inherit a large chunk of it when he kicks off. She's got enough of a brain to want the money.

But no conscience at all.

[Strathos]

153. screw her,

Don't you know the Freeps brainwash those kids as soon as they come out, of their mother that is. She's useless, she's always been useless and now she's trying to make money from being USELESS.

She won't even be a sidenote in the scheme of things.

[CBHagman]

154. Obviously learned her bad manners from her parents.

We've had ample evidence of the hostility and rudeness of the Cheney family, Dick and Lynne in particular. They strut around as though they're God's gift to the nation. :eyes:

The Cheney family is like a bad vaudeville act. Where's the hook when you need it?

[gauguin57]

155. What a nest of hypocrites (Cheneys)! What about the lesbian novel, Lynne?

I'm still so pissed that the media didn't showcase Lynne's hypocrisy in pitching a fit about the lesbian comments during the 2004 campaign, when she, herself, profited from writing a lesbian romance novel, "Sisters," in the '80s.

Mrs. Cheney is willing to profit off a lesbian love story, but let someone say the word "lesbian" in public and she's off trashing the person.

When Lynne was filled with righteous indignation over the lesbian comments, the media should have been waving the cover of her book on TV every damn night, instead of playing her soundbite, "This is not a nice man ..." over and over.

[johnlal]

156. Can you Imagine Dinner With the Cheneys?

Daughter: Pass the potatoes, Son of a Bitch!

Father: Go Fuck Yourself!

Wife: Give that bitch some potatoes, you mother-fucker.

Daughter: Thanks, Slimeball!

[HaloKitty]

160. We're better than the Cheney-esque language

Look, I dislike Mary Cheney with burning passion. She's a coward, a hypocrite, and a spoiled brat. She needs to climb back in the closet rather claiming her right to be "one of us" after years of supporting every effort to marginalize, demonize, and legislate GLBT foks into extiniction. BUT, we're better than the crude comments. We're not the hate-mongers, we're not the Cheneys.

On the topic, this whole thing with her being sooo-oooo angry with Kerry and Edwards is exhibit A for the Mary-is-a-hypocrite prosecution. She would call gentleman politicians a "son of a bitch" or mouth "F-you" at him during the debate, and then cry and whine that the democrats used her as a tool for political gain. And yet, her father and his friends turned every single one of her GLBT brothers and sisters into roadkill on the political highway. She supported people who have helped to engineer the complete erosion of civil rights in our country. She stood by as the hate and retoric spewed forth. And John Edwards compliment is what she sees as an attack.

She really is her father's daughter.

[Catchawave]

162. Good for Team Kerry....

Ms Cheney is a hypocrite, even Larry King pointed that out last night (...and I'm sure there's a transcript somewhere on DU ! :)

[President Kerry]

166. -eh.. is she REALLY that stupid???

HE WAS PROTECTING YOUR DAMN RIGHTS YOU STUPID BITCH! . Jesus! What will it take for these people to lose their fucking paranoia. His "political gain" equals your human rights, you idiot. And those of millions of Americans!

[progressivebydesign]

167. I promise you that Ms. Cheney, the slimeball SOB, is pimping her book.

And wants to make sure that the hate-lovers know that this will be as vile and ugly as Ann Coulter's toxic missives. Perhaps Ms. Cheney fancies herself a new Ann Coulter... Maybe that's where she feels her future might lie, in the cesspools of republican editorialtainment. How long till that shrew gets a show on Faux??

[genieroze]

172. A new Ann the Man?

[NicRic]

176. Lesbian or not when Dad is worth millions ...

you tend to be a cheerleader for him, I mean he recieved a 30 milion $ early retirement bonus ,who the heck gets bonus for quiting early ! This is without a doubt the most corrupt group of politicians we have seen in years ! Iam sure that Chenneys daughter inherited some of the greed for power and money that dear old dad has .They say the apple dont fall far from the tree in this case it really applies since they both like women !