NYT:Mrs. Clinton Says G.O.P.'s Immigration Plan Is at Odds With the Bible

[Whoa_Nelly]

Has Hillary jumped the shark here?

http://tinyurl.com/zq86a

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton invoked the Bible yesterday to criticize a stringent border security measure that, among other things, would make it a federal crime to offer aid to illegal immigrants.

"It is hard to believe that a Republican leadership that is constantly talking about values and about faith would put forth such a mean-spirited piece of legislation," she said of the measure, which was passed by the House of Representatives in December and mirrored a companion Senate bill introduced last week by Senator Bill Frist, a Tennessee Republican and the majority leader.

"It is certainly not in keeping with my understanding of the Scripture because this bill would literally criminalize the Good Samaritan and probably even Jesus himself," she said. "We need to sound the alarm about what is being done in the Congress."

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The meeting took place in an atmosphere of mounting urgency, as the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops called on its flock to oppose the measure, and tens of thousands of immigrants around the country stepped up a series of protest rallies in anticipation of a Senate vote on competing immigration bills next week.

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[queenbdem87]

1. I'm glad that

she pointed out that they are religious hypocrites....but I don't like that it seems as if she is trying to seem more religous.

[napi21]

3. I don't think she said it to be more religious either. Just pointing

out the obvious! Good for Hillary!

[saigon68]

7. Ya way to go killing those children in Iraq-Nam

That she voted for

[napi21]

9. Yes she did vote for the authority to go to war in Iraq, but that's

another issue. I believe I also heard her say, if the Country & the Congress had been told the real truth, there wouldn't have even been a vote!

[saigon68]

17. But But they are still killing them

Soundly sleeping silence from her on this

This picture was from LAST WEEK




MARCH 15, 2006 TO BE EXACT

[Rex]

20. You make a good point.

I doubt Jesus would have voted 'yea' on going to war with Iraq.

[dave29]

2. Hillary dons her +7 Helm of Jesus

and prepares for holy war

[Frank Cannon]

21. Here comes Joe Lieberman with his +4 Sword of God's Furor!!

Roll d20 and subtract a -1 Public Idiocy factor.

[VegasWolf]

23. Finally a Democrat that Joe Lieberman can get in bed with!! nt

[babylonsister]

4. No.

She's supporting the role of the church's obligation to care for everyone, not just those deemed okay by a bunch of politicians.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0314/p01s01-ussc.html

Churches resist tougher immigration laws

Faith leaders aim to recast the issue as a moral imperative.
By Daniel B. Wood | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

LOS ANGELES – America's faith communities are keeping careful watch as Congress wrangles over border security - a process expected to yield the most dramatic changes in immigration policy since the 1980s - and many religious leaders are not liking what they see so far.

Increasingly, they are making their presence felt on Capitol Hill, where the Senate is now drafting its version of immigration reform. In their own churches, synagogues, and mosques, many leaders are striking a defiant pose toward an immigration bill the US House has already approved.

At stake is the moral high ground on immigration. The religious leaders see new border-tightening moves as intruding on their obligation to care for strangers - no questions asked. Those who argue the other side, that immigration must be curtailed and the border secured, also couch their position in moral terms, saying it is unprincipled to aid and abet those who have entered the US illegally.

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[Zhade]

8. "they are making their presence felt on Capitol Hill"

Separation of church and state, anyone?

[onenote]

12. religious groups aren't barred from making their presence felt on the Hill

Religious groups made their presence felt to very good cause during the Civil Rights movement and the Vietnam War. If only they had been more outspoken about Iraq.

onenote

[Zhade]

22. To be fair, they were pretty outspoken on Iraq.

And of course, I never argued they couldn't have a voice - just warning that we should pay close attention to how much of a voice they get (the same as everyone else is the ideal).

[SaveElmer]

15. Not really applicable...

Nothing in the constitution prevents churches from advocating for issues...it is when those groups are supported by the government in any way that it is unconstitutional.

[Zhade]

24. I know. It's not a matter of a violation of the SoCaS...

...so much as my reminding people that we must be very careful not to let the situation go so far as to allow the religious to DICTATE policy.

Have a say, yes. Dictate, no. That's all I meant.

[Megahurtz]

31. Separation of Church and State!

Please!:applause:

[Gato Moteado]

5. hey hilly....everything the GOP stands for is against the new testament...

...now they are consistent with some old testament stuff.

[Critters2]

26. And most of it is against the Old, too

I don't see a lot of justice, kindness, or walking humbly with God from the other side of the aisle.

[central scrutinizer]

6. wait for it

it's coming. When a male Repug thumps his bible, he is pious and attacking him is anti-Christian. When a female Democrat thumps her bible, she will be called a shrill hypocrite.

[Teaser]

10. Hillary, you just don't sound convincing saying this.

actually, you don't sound convincing when you say anything.

[onenote]

11. actually, I thought she handled it very well

[Divernan]

13. NYT headline is sexist: it's "Sen." Clinton, not "Mrs." Clinton

Note: I do NOT support her for President.
However, I know that a headline that can fit the title "Mrs." in it, could have also fit in her correct title of "Sen." And I want every Democrat and every woman elected to the U.S. Senate to get the same recognition of his/her office/title. If there was a woman general (Hah!) quoted in a NYT headline, do you think they'll refer to her as "Ms." or "Mrs.", rather than "Gen."?

[Whoa_Nelly]

14. Then is it sexist in the senate when they call for a vote

and call the members by using the titles Mr., Mrs., Ms.?

Have heard this used many times while watching the voting on C-SPAN2.

[Divernan]

37. Got any other NYT headlines referring to Mr. Delay or Mr. Cheney?

When a roll call vote is called in the Senate, all the Senators are addressed in the same manner, and everyone there knows that everyone called on is a Senator.

However, when it comes to newspaper headlines, it is usual to refer to elected officials by their titles, whether it's Mayor, Congressman, Senator, President, Judge, DA, etc. Then within the body of the article, one can be referred to by their last name with no title, or by the title alone.

[MrMonk]

16. Not really.

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton invoked the Bible yesterday to criticize a stringent border security measure that, among other things, would make it a federal crime to offer aid to illegal immigrants.

If the bill doesn't specify the type of aid that's being criminalized, it could very well be applied to "good Samaritans" and "Jesus".

[lovuian]

18. As long as its a crime to give them a job is on the list

then I'm in agreement with the Republicans...I want the EMPLOYERS to go to jail... Cheap labor is a CRIME...

Hillary better get on the same page!!!

[Critters2]

28. I agree

Cheap undocumented labor undermines everything unions and the Democratic Party once fought hard to achieve.

But the Chamber of Commerce of the USA LOVES it!

[mitchum]

29. Agree with you...cheap labor is a crime...

I wish that HRC and many OTHER Democrats would get on the same page.
This is all about breaking the back of American Labor. And that too is a crime.

[VegasWolf]

30. Agree 100%. Why are we insourcing cheap labor and outsourcing good

jobs!! I guess that is what the bible says to do.

[President Kerry]

38. Criminalizing undocumented workers for there mere existence -

making it a FELONY to be undocumented? No way will I ever agree with that. Sensenbrenner and King are heartless bastards.

[alfredo]

45. I wonder if the republicans will say that hiring them is not a

federal crime. They would be under a lot of pressure from business interests to exempt them. Of course charities could give jobs to illegals as a way to give aid. As soon as they see someone in dire need they hire them on the spot. Of course food and medicine will be a benefit of the job.

[VegasWolf]

19. So Hillary's slapping the bible now? nt

[President Kerry]

39. i believe you're concentrating on the wrong part of the message. n/t

[VegasWolf]

43. That's your take! I object to both her message and to her pimping with

the bible. That's my take.

[SpiralHawk]

25. Well, Hillary is giving the Republicons a dose of their own Bible bashing

They can dish it out. Let's see how well they take it.

I admire her gambit.

Will watch to see how it plays out...could be interesting.

[VegasWolf]

27. Humm, aren't Oil Wars that kill innocents by the 10's of thousands more

against the bible?

[nini]

32. If they want to pimp the bible.. they can have it thrown back at them

good for her.

[IndianaGreen]

33. If Hillary wants to beat the bible thumpers over the head with a bible

She has my blessings!

[lovuian]

34. CHEAP LABOR is a CRIME and against the Ten Commandments

Thou shalt not covet your neighbors job for cheaper wages...

DEMOCRATS need to WISE UP and start YELLING about Employers hiring Cheap slave labor...

THATS A CRIME!!! send their butts to jail and let them work for freakin slave wages...

ilegal aliens don't vote Hillary... get my drift!!!

I'm furious with Democrats who are catering to these criminals!!!
Hillary included!!!

[HockeyMom]

35. As one of your constituents, Hillary

Please STOP quoting the Bible. We don't need anymore Fundie Lites. Let's not make New York part of the BIBLE BELT, ok?????

[President Kerry]

40. sorry, but most of it already is. Just drive to Orange County and beyond

[President Kerry]

41. sorry, but most of it already is. Just drive to Orange County and beyond

And maybe this way, the message will resonate with some reasonable folks.

[Babel_17]

36. The shark was jumped when ....

she came out in support of legislation criminalizing flag burning.

She stands head and shoulders over the majority of representatives in congress but that's not much of a feat.

A lot of us blue collar workers are experiencing depressed wages plus other economic hardships due to the appetite for illegal and/or exploitable workers.

It would be nice to hear Hillary, being such a prominent democrat, address that issue.

[skipos]

51. You know that Kucinich and Dean supported flag burning bans as well?

I am no Hillary fan, just thought you should know.

[Dogmudgeon]

42. Why are we arguing about the issues?

Isn't this All About Bashing Hillary?

A.k.a. "The Hildabeast"?

The Most Eeevil Woman in the World?

The Witch-Woman who holds meetings of her Coven in the Rose Garden?

Oh, wait a minute, that's the Freepers' Evil Hillary. Our Evil Hillary kills babies, spits back at hippies, conspires with Pat Robertson, and probably also repeatedly whipped Chelsea with a wire hanger when she was a kid.

I have to remember to not let something trivial like the issues get in the way of a good Two Minutes' Hate.

--p!
Two Minutes? That's far too short for some of the people around here.

[VegasWolf]

44. Exactly!!! Let's displace MORE american jobs thru cheap labor!!!!

:sarcasm:

[bling bling]

50. Didn't you know

That Hillary was apparently the ONLY Dem Senator to vote for the resolution giving Bush authority to send troops to Iraq? In fact, Hillary is the sole reason we're in Iraq right now.

And, that despite her overall voting record being liberal, Hillary is, in fact, "in bed" with the neo-cons.

And, don't waste your time pointing out all the many times she has voted in-line with the Dem platform, because apparently the only positions that really matter to us are the ones where we disagree with her, such as on the flag burning issue and her position on violent video games.

You're right. Why argue about the plain issues when it's so much more fun to adjust the facts to suit the ultimate goal of slamming Hillary yet again.

[hollowdweller]

46. I don't think this move is gonna get her any more votes

The total sympathy for illegal immigration position is a LOSER issue for anyone who embraces it.

The guest worker program is a loser.

I think the way to cut off illegal immigration is to increase border security, we need to do it anyway a better use of our money than Iraq, and to prosecute those who hire illegals.

Maybe we could severely fine employers who hire illegals and then use that money to help fund border security?

[november3rd]

47. Charity cannot be legislated

God extols acts of charity whether the government does or not. Actually, the government can punish people for being good samaritans, but they cannot prevent the actions of kindness and mercy.

Anyway, God will reward those who commit charitable acts in the face of these repressive laws all the more if the government insists on the illegality of rendering assistance to illegal aliens.

Let's face it. Anybody who wants to keep layering requirements and restrictions on the less fortunate--regardless of their ethnicity--while relaxing the obligations and responsibilities of the most fortunate, is working against Buddha, Confucius, Krshna, Mohamed, Jesus, and almost any other recognized religious leader in all of history.

This is why it's going to become necessary to break the laws during the Bush administration. The laws they pass are immoral.

[secretmouse]

48. Sigh!

Hillary, Hillary...what has happened to you girl?

[steve2470]

49. I will vote for Senator Clinton if she is the nominee but....

I do think that remark about Jesus is going to come back to haunt her and bite her in the ass. A bit too religious for this liberal Christian Democratic voter.

[Peter Frank]

52. As far as I'm concerned...

...I hope she puts her foot in her mouth often & long enough to cost her the nomination.

I like Hillary, but with her on the ticket in '08 -- the Republican candidate dejur has a huge advantage.

[oasis]

53. Hill made a hell of a lot of sense. She's not worried about attacks from

the right or the left. She has weathered them all so far and gets stronger each time.

[donheld]

54. I'm proud of Mrs Clinton for this

Smack'em down with their hypocracy.

[951-Riverside]

55. *folds arms*

Whats the point anymore, people scream they won't listen, they have their own agenda and to add salt to the wound they hide behind religion to appeal to the gullible.

Makes me sick.

[opihimoimoi]

56. You Tell Um Hill...you go Girl;;;;;;

:yourock: