3 dead, 2 wounded in shooting at Denny's restaurant in Pismo Beach, Calif.

[Roon]

PISMO BEACH, Calif. - A gunman opened fire inside a Denny’s restaurant Wednesday, leaving three people dead and two wounded, police said.

One of the dead may have been the gunman, Cmdr. Jeff Norton said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11844451/

[GeorgiaDem69]

1. I used to live right down the road from Pismo

A great little town.

[catmother]

3. doesn't matter any more. people are going nuts all over.

:scared:

[fed-up]

7. At least here on DU our weapons are words-yes, people are feeling the

strains of this psychotic administration just like the rest of us here at DU.

[catmother]

9. yeah. maybe he had a good job that was outsourced!

:wtf:

[catmother]

8. expensive to live there. isn't it one of the san diego beach

communities?:think:

[fed-up]

11. Pismo Beach is in San Luis Obispo County, a 3-hour drive northwest of LA

nt

[catmother]

13. thanks i sure had the wrong location.

[progressivebydesign]

20. but yes, very very expensive to live there now.

Used to be fairly reasonable. Now a 1,200 2bd/1ba old house costs over 800k. That's why we left after 17 years.

[catmother]

26. OMG. i knew it was high, but that's really high. a few months

ago i was looking into getting a condo in the san diego area just for the summer and they were running really high too. plus on top of that there were high maintenance fees.

it's getting like that here in phoenix. we bought our first house 16-1/2 years ago -- brand new semi-custom 2400 sq. ft. half acre lot, pool, spa and another $20,000 in upgrades. it cost us $164. my hairdresser just bought a 1960s house, remodeled, small property, 1400 sq. ft. -- $390,000. when we came here you could get a house that size new for $69,000.

in 1996 we bought 2-1/2 acres in the middle of the desert goes all the way up the hillside. we paid $48,000. now i acre is going for $325,000. we built in 2002 before those costs went nuts. so now we have about 2800 sq. ft. they tell me it's worth 1 million. but even if we were to sell, which we have no intention of doing, it would cost us that much or more for another comparable house.

[catmother]

2. i wonder what sets these people off. if i were going to kill myself

i would make sure that no one else would get hurt.:eyes:

[MnFats]

10. I used to know some morgue/medical examiner/coroner types...

...and during a spate of suicides one of them told me, 'you know, it's always tragic when one of these (suicides) happens, but sometimes when they come in and we hear about their lives all we can say is 'thank god he didn't take anybody with him.'

[catmother]

12. yeah. sometimes they take out a lot of people. always makes

me wonder why? :think:

[NYC]

17. I once read that their objective is

to kill people. When that does not provide the satisfaction(?) or reward(?) or relief(?) they expected or hoped for, they then kill themselves.

Otherwise, it truly makes no sense for a suicide to kill other people first.

I can't remember where I read that. It was years ago.

[kestrel91316]

41. I think this guy was another SERIOUS mental case, like so many of

our homeless in America. Los Angeles' streets are full of them. They are for the most part either drunks/druggies and/or schizophrenic/severe bipolar. With medication and supervision these people have a real shot at a productive life, but in Bush's America they are just useless eaters to be spurned.

[maxsolomon]

4. please post in the gun forum

and let freedom ring.

to paraphrase brando & martin sheen in apocalypse now:
"do you think my militia is well-regulated?"
"i don't see any REGULATION at all".

[catmother]

6. guns don't kill people. people kill people.

:shrug:

[superconnected]

49. people with guns kill people.

Sure people use other weapons/poison to kill people, but in the news, guns seem to be doing most of the work.

Gun nuts will use cars as an example of people dying, but cars are not used intentionally, to kill people anywhere near as often as guns are.

[slackmaster]

16. Tragic waste of life

Waiting for more details to see how many laws had to be broken for this horrific event to have been possible.

[saigon68]

36. Where's MrBenchley ? I'd like to get his take on this

[VegasWolf]

5. Damn, I've stopped at that Denney's many times on my trips to LA from

SF!!!

[Renew Deal]

14. Pismo Beach is a great little town.

This is always terrible, but this sucks. It's a great little community. There's a major university there and it's near St. Louis Obispo.

[KG]

15. remember, guns don't kill people,

oh, fuck it, yes they do. :eyes:

[tularetom]

18. Holy shit! I'm in Pismo Beach right now.

I was out on the beach all morning just got back & read this. I'm probably about 3 miles from the Denny's where it happened. I don't have anymore info than the rest of you and I'm not going anywhere near that place. It's a freeway location and not frequented by the locals. Hope it wasn't anybody I know. If I hear anything I'll post.

[brook]

22. Good God!

My grandkids live in Grover & Shell Bch. I'm in MB and just got home from work.
This sorta stuff is scarey.

I don't see anything on KCOY or KSBY.

[progressivebydesign]

19. Here's an update

http://www.sanluisobispo.com/mld/sanluisobispo/14106669.htm

From the local paper there. I lived in the Pismo area for 17 years, and left 3 years ago. I'm holding my breath until I know if someone I know is involved. I have many friends and family there. I've been feeling odd all day.. before I heard about this.. so I hope I'm wrong.

How awful for the wife and grandaughter of that one victim.. to watch him shot to death like that. Only in America, gun culture from hell.

[Sapere aude]

24. Only in America? What? Man I didn't know that.

No gun shootings anywhere. Only in America. OK get on the anti gun bandwagon. It's leaving in 5 minutes. All Aboard!

[Name removed]

25. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[saigon68]

34. ADIOS

[progressivebydesign]

27. I'll refrain from responding to you... because you're so new.

I might get myself in trouble. I'll just say that's a helluva an entrance to make into DU.

[maxsolomon]

28. you are funny

so droll!

in what other country to suicidal idiots regularly shoot co-workers or random strangers before they kill themselves?

iraq?

[Ben Ceremos]

30. Post #19

is most likely not aware of the shootings in Germany, Switzerland, Austria and several others that I can't easily recall. Guns kill people because they make iteasy for people to kill. Simple. Fewer guns in circulation does lead to a decrease in violence in society.

[progressivebydesign]

31. ah.. I see the gun people are out in force today.

Please.. outside of a country involved in a civil war, can any of the gun folks give me statistics that show there is any other country with rampant gun violence such as America? Yes.. I'm sure there are random shootings in other countries. But you'd have to be in denial to believe that America, which is ruled by the NRA, is not mired in gun violence. Easy access to guns, yes, that is a factor.

[kestrel91316]

42. Toodles!

[brentspeak]

50. How many gun shootings in, say, Great Britain as compared to the US?

You don't have to answer that question if you don't want to.

[benEzra]

32. Only in America?

At Least Eight Dead in Osaka School Rampage (Japan)

[maxsolomon]

33. the weapon was ?

a knife. & it was 5 years ago. and isolated. try again.

only in america is gun violence as frequent, random, and pointless.

[saigon68]

35. That guy was well trained to be a sous chef

He must have cut up thousands of salads

Before he started cutting up heads, necks etc.

[progressivebydesign]

40. OMG you gun people have dig REAL deep for that.. huh?

Only 5 years ago, while in America shit like that happens weekly.

[spinbaby]

21. Pismo Beach?

I thought this was a place that existed only in Bugs Bunny cartoons.

[slackmaster]

23. Only if you remember to turn left at La Jolla

Pismo Beach is famous for its clams, which have not been fished comercially since 1986.

[progressivebydesign]

29. OMG! I knew one of the victims...

I just saw the name, and it's a very distinct name, and he lives in that city.. either they have his age wrong or it's his father. The reporting is so murky right now that I can't be sure on the age. He was in his 40s.. they first said a man in his 40s, a man in his 50s, and a man in his 60's were killed. The shooter was 60, one victim was 68 (tho they misstated his age as 65), and the other they list as 73.. my old friend was in his 40s... so it was either him or his father. How awful, awful, awful... and senseless.

[coalition_unwilling]

37. Violence is as American as Apple Pie (n/t)

[MrBenchley]

38. And now three shootings in three days

Clearly what we need in this country is gun control....It's a national disgrace that the Republicans and the gun lobby are allowed to set public policy.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-031706dennys_lat,0,4839355.story?coll=la-story-footer

http://www.gunguys.com/

"20 GREAT USES FOR THE GUN IN YOUR HOUSE:

1. Settle domestic disputes
2. Settle disputes with neighbors
3. Something constructive to do while drunk/stoned
4. Hours of fun for the kids
5. Hours of fun for the neighbors’ kids
6. A big comfort during temper tantrums
7. Chance to be judge, jury, executioner, a big man
8. Almost like having a big penis
9. Big bonanza for gun thieves
10. Harmless way to blow more dough
11. Terrify the meter man
12. Help deal with feelings of guilt, inadequacy, rage, & other honky stuff
13. Blow the paper boy away
14. "I was totally sure it wasn’t loaded, Your Honor."
15. Get yourself killed in a raid, rather than merely arrested
16. You can’t always be reading great literature, right?
17. Rare chance to become a murderer, get reborn as a lab animal, etc.
18. "If it’s good enough for the American Nazi Party, it’s good enough for me!"
19. Angry white men never screw up
20. Such a comfort when depressed"

http://www.gunguys.com/?p=849#more-849

[mtnsnake]

44. Yeah, but don't you know

Guns don't kill people; people do.

You should know that by now, MrB! :evilgrin:

[crankybubba]

45. since california received an a- from the brady campaign

why didn't all those gun control laws stop these shootings??

http://www.stategunlaws.org/viewstate.php?st=CA

aren't we safer with strict gun control? Why did this happen then.

[slackmaster]

46. Let's see how many Xs you get for this post

( ) Post picture of Cheney holding rifle at NRA convention.
(X) Guilt by association (GOP playmates).
(X) RKBA/2A is racist.
(X) Sarcastic LOL/(snicker).
(X) Guns compensate for penile inadequacy.
( ) Citation of Brady/VPC article.
(X) Ad hominem attack on all gun owners.

[superconnected]

51. Anyone can look at a post after its written and write out rules

for it to fit into.

It appears that it takes a certian mentality to be a gun owner. Just like it appears it takes one to be a republican. Getting upset and going after people for pointing it out, enunciates it.

[slackmaster]

52. Who's getting upset?

:shrug:

[progressivebydesign]

39. My old friend's father was the 73 year old man that tackled the shooter.

Knowing the son, that sounds completely in character for the family. They are just truly good, good, people. What a horrible waste to see an active, kind, vibrant, 73 year old grandfather taken down by gunfire. They are saying that he saved a lot of people by what he did.. or else the shooter would have continued on.

[librarycard]

43. This is standard news anywhere in the US

Turn on local news any day of the week, and this is what you get.

[WhiteTara]

47. isn't this the second shooting incident

at a Denny's in the past week?

[brentspeak]

48. Let me guess: The NRA-types will say "Look, gun control doesn't work!"

"This happened in California, which has so many gun control laws on the books already!"

Of course, what the NRA types don't mention (gee, I wonder why?) is that so many of the guns that end up being used in California are obtained from out-of-the-state. Kind of hard to keep guns out of the hands of California's criminals and psychos when all one has to do is mosey on down to New Mexico, slap some dough on a pawn shop dealer's counter, and voila! Instant gun to go blowing people away.

Just like the psycho lady from New Mexico who massacred the California post office last month.

[crankybubba]

54. do you have ANY evidence that the guns came from another state??

Did'nt think so. SO the answer is when the gun control laws fail to protect like you advertise. BLAME SOMEONE ELSE. good job! keep killing your credibility.

[Bake]

53. And I was hoping it was Limpballs in a drug deal gone bad!

I just saw the reference to Denny's and assumed Rush was in the market for some Oxy ...

Bake