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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 11:45 AM
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Rumsfeld Says Iraqis Would Stop Civil War

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/28-03092006-623895.html

Rumsfeld Says Iraqis Would Stop Civil War

The Associated Press

WASHINGTON - If Iraq were to plunge into all-out civil war the U.S. military would depend on Iraq's own security forces to deal with it "to the extent they are able to," Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said Thursday.

Testifying with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice in support of the administration's request for $91 billion in funds mainly to pay for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, Rumsfeld was pressed to explain the U.S. military's plan to respond in the event that Iraq's sectarian violence grows into a full-fledged civil war.

"The plan is to prevent a civil war, and to the extent one were to occur, to have the - from a security standpoint - have the Iraqi security forces deal with it, to the extent they are able to," Rumsfeld said.

He said the key to avoiding civil war is for Iraq's political leaders to form a government of national unity.

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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 11:47 AM
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1. No one's listening dummy......er um Rummmy
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 11:47 AM
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2. DAMN! I had "Moroccan landmine Monkeys" in the office pool
Going with the Iraqis sink or swim huh?
OoooKAY there is $5 gone.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 11:49 AM
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3. Prevent a civil war? His boss said we won't get involved!
Bush & Rummy - two of the biggest idiots in politics today.
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central scrutinizer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 11:51 AM
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4. yeah, they would "deal " with it
by giving their weapons to whatever side they supported
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Roon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 11:53 AM
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5. Rummy is the new Baghdad Bob n/t
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plcdude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 11:53 AM
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6. I guess we were all born yesterday.
Civil War = Iraqis fighting and killing fellow Iraqis. Rummy is attempting to frame this as fighting going on between various factions of Iraqis independent of those Iraqis we approve of or have collaborated with us. I think it needs to be correctly framed as what it is Iraqi seeking through conflict to obtain the power to control their lives as they want to the exclusion of other Iraqis.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 12:02 PM
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7. "to the extent they are able to,"...there are ZERO battle-ready battalions
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 12:03 PM
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8. and one of their top general's was assassinated earlier this week...
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 12:05 PM
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10. That's what I was going to comment on
I don't think that extends very damn far, and when they take their weapons to join sides it will be even less.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 12:04 PM
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9. The axis of evil
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 12:12 PM
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11. Whatever Rummy says, the opposite is true. You can count on it!!!
"The plan is to prevent a civil war,..."

Iraqi women just relayed that Rumsfeld & Co are FUELING divisions and civil war.

"Iraq's own security forces deal with ,..."

Iraq's security forces have been involved in creating MORE violence and provoking sectarian divisions because those forces include nationalists who want the US the hell out of the country.

He is so full of caa caa!!! :grr:

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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 12:12 PM
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12. Senile dementia is such an ugly disease. NT
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Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 12:19 PM
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13. It's on C-Span3 Now. nt/
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 12:22 PM
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14. 91 BILLION Effing dollars!!!
WTF!!

:wtf:
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 12:28 PM
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15. If my house caught fire
I would rely on my house's faucet and garden hose to put it out-- to the extent that they are able to.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 12:29 PM
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16. "Form a government of national unity"
You know, just like we have in the U.S., where the corrupt Bush administration is very careful to listen to all sides and craft a policy that takes into account--:rofl:

I knew I couldn’t post that with a straight face!
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 12:39 PM
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17. Is He Answering His Own Questions Again?
It's surreal when he does that.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 07:57 PM
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18. Rummie is truly off his rocker
Isn't insanity a good enough reason to force someone's removal from power?
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3waygeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 08:16 PM
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19. These would presumably be the same
Iraqis that welcomed us with flowers :eyes:
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 08:20 PM
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20. nutjob.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 08:25 PM
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21. Senile OLD fart! nt
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 12:17 AM
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22. U.S. will let Iraqi forces deal with any civil war, Rumsfeld says
If the plan is to prevent civil war and it escalates, is Rummy declaring defeat?

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/14059811.htm

WASHINGTON - U.S. military commanders don't intend to allow a civil war in Iraq to occur, but if it happens, they'll let Iraqi security forces handle it, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said Thursday.

"The plan is to prevent a civil war," Rumsfeld told the Senate Appropriations Committee. "And to the extent that one were to occur, to have the - from a security standpoint - have the Iraqi security forces deal with it, to the extent that they're able to."

Rumsfeld testified before the committee along with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and top generals during hearings on President Bush's roughly $70 billion supplemental spending request to cover the costs of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.


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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 12:18 AM
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23. Rumsfeld is insane, and so is his lapdog Gordon England!
I pray for the day the Pentagon is rid of all the neocons!
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 12:18 AM
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24. Then why are our troops still there? If they can handle a civil war,
what do they need our troops for?
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 12:18 AM
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25. "We can not comment on an ongoing investigation, but I would like to
say that Donald is doing one hell of a job."
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 12:18 AM
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26. time for him to retire to the Maryland hills with his neighbor Cheney.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 12:18 AM
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27. Amen brother and the rest with him!
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wordpix2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 01:09 AM
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36. no, you're too kind. Time for them to be indicted for lying to Congr
Edited on Fri Mar-10-06 01:10 AM by wordpix2
ess about "imminent danger to US from WMDs in Iraq."
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 12:18 AM
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28. Our troops will be lucky to get out alive when the shit hits the fan...
Rummy is fucking delusional.

We'll see a replay of the fall of Saigon.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 12:18 AM
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29. You might say the same thing about us?
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northofdenali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 12:18 AM
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30. Hey Rummy - FUCK YOU
n/t
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 12:18 AM
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31. So does this mean that "Iraqi forces"
are going to start firing on each other?
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 12:18 AM
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32. a cute excuse to CUT AND RUN from iraq just in time for the election?
well, except of course for their SUPERBASES that conveniently guard the oil fields.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 12:18 AM
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33. We Broke It, YOU bought it
If it wasn't such a crime against humanity this would be really funny.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 12:18 AM
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34. The plan was never to prevent civil war.
The invasion had nothing to do with the interests of the Iraqi people. They are irrelevant. What is important is what is below the ground - the oil. US forces will do nothing to provide law and order in Iraq. US forces will secure oil facilities.

I predicted this long ago. We will let the Iraqi cities burn but the neocons will control the oil. Bet your ass.

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wordpix2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 01:12 AM
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37. you've got it right, the "plan" was regime change & grab the oil & war
Edited on Fri Mar-10-06 01:14 AM by wordpix2
would be "easy."

* doesn't know a thing about history. He got Cs all the way thru school and I'm betting most should have been Fs but the teachers and profs were kind to * b/c of his family's money made in deals with the likes of the Nazis.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 12:37 AM
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35. Fighting in Iraq- the only exit strategy they'll consider.
I love it.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 10:18 AM
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38. Yeah, right. The Iraqi's and what army???
what makes that sad is, it's not a joke.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 10:31 AM
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39. He talks SO MUCH and yet says absolutely NOTHING. n/t
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onager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 12:08 PM
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40. Pres. Buchanan Says Southerners Would Stop Civil War
Edited on Fri Mar-10-06 12:08 PM by onager
n/t
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 12:11 PM
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41. Rumsfeld talks out of his arse.

He knows nothing.
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primavera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 01:30 PM
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42. Kind of remarkable they're now using the term "civil war"
Whatever happened to the joyously free peoples of democratic Iraq showing us liberators with flowers? Hmmm, guess the honeymoon's over.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 01:33 PM
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43. But it's still an unknowable unknown, right shithead?
Edited on Fri Mar-10-06 01:33 PM by The_Casual_Observer
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