U.S. alleges Iran has a nuke blueprint

[lovuian]

http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/?sid=91aab3e10cab976c

U.S. officials said they have evidence Iran wants to build a nuclear bomb, but not enough proof of an alleged full-scale weapons program.

Time magazine reports that when the United States urges the International Atomic Energy Agency Monday to refer Iran to the U.N. Security Council the presentation will include copies of a PowerPoint presentation seized by the CIA from a laptop belonging to an Iranian nuclear scientist.

The Iranian presentation includes a diagram that officials believe shows a rudimentary graphic of a bomb similar to one dropped on Nagasaki in World War II.
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Get ready people I feel a deja vu coming on :nuke:

[Rex]

1. Guess who gave Iran the blueprints to build a nuclear bomb?

Yup, we did. With a few misleading and false instructions. They figured out the flaws even before the blueprints landed in Iran. Surprise - we gave them the bomb.

[Kagemusha]

13. Oh god, THOSE blueprints?

I read the story in a Brit paper, either the Independent or the Guardian (I read both a lot). I was just.... unbelievably floored.

And THIS is their evidence to the UN... Iran has nuclear plans, because the US gave them to Iran, except, the US failed to make them insufficiently flawed that instead of a poison pill they were actually useful?

Is that laughter I hear?

[EuroObserver]

24. You mean these Guardian articles, I think (cf James Risen's State of War):

US blunder aided Iran's atomic aims, book claims

* Guardian, Thursday January 5 2006
* Julian Borger in Washington

The CIA may have helped Iran to design a nuclear bomb through a botched attempt to channel flawed blueprints to Tehran's weapon designers, according to a new book on the US "war on terror". In an excerpt from State of War, printed today in G2, the author and New York Times intelligence correspondent, James Risen, writes that the abortive operation misfired when a Russian (...)

(...) In an excerpt from State of War, printed today in G2, the author and New York Times intelligence correspondent, James Risen, writes that (...)

George Bush insists that Iran must not be allowed to develop nuclear weapons. So why, six years ago, did the CIA give the Iranians blueprints to build a bomb?

* Guardian, Thursday January 5 2006
* James Risen

She had probably done this a dozen times before. Modern digital technology had made clandestine communications with overseas agents seem routine. Back in the cold war, contacting a secret agent in Moscow or Beijing was a dangerous, labour-intensive process that could take days or even weeks. But by 2004, it was possible to send high-speed, encrypted messages directly and (...)

(...) quickly. That would be my fear" © James Risen 2006 · This is an edited extract from State of War, by James Risen, published (...)
In an extract from his explosive new book, New York Times reporter James Risen reveals the bungles and miscalculations that led to a spectacular (...)

[Kagemusha]

39. Yes, those are the ones.

I forgot they were excerpts from the Risen book. ...The press seems to, in general, take everything written in a book and not in a newspaper as unproven rubbish, though. It never gets quoted or referred to in any way even if the subject matter arises later, like this stuff re: Iran.

[Rex]

40. Yep, those blueprints!

Kinda kills their entire argument about Iran and nuclear proliferation (I'm sure they would have gotten the plans from someone else, but DAM...they got them from us!) :(

[geomon666]

2. They should have offered us mangos.

Or maybe a couple hundred crates of used Construx parts.

[lovuian]

3. are you guys sure this laptop wasn't forged documents in

Niger...... a laptop proves it... :rofl:

[no_hypocrisy]

4. And Joe McCarthy said he had a list of 57 Communists working in the

State Department. And look where that led the country . . .

[daleo]

5. I could draw up a rudimentary graphic like that on a napkin

You could find thousands of pictures that fit the description "rudimentary graphic of a bomb similar to one dropped on Nagasaki in World War II" by googling for five minutes.

[marmar]

6. "but not enough proof of an alleged full-scale weapons..."

A slam-dunk, in neoconthink.

[RoyGBiv]

7. Bah!

They have a rudimentary "graphic" similar to Fat Man, and *this* is supposed to be used as evidence against.

Hells bells, hook your ass up to the Internet, and if you can find detailed blueprints of Fat Man, you're just not trying hard enough.

The shit these people come up with will never cease to amaze me.

[Gman]

8. And they expect us to believe this because....???

Siezed a PowerPoint presentation and that's evidence? Puhleeeez! Anyone can put one of those together and call it "evidence". And a rudimentary graphic of a bomb? Many a college Physics major have written papers on how to build one. Even some high school students.

Of course to the science-challenged right wing this will be dire and deadly dangerous news that we must do something about right now by nuking Iran to a sheet of glass.

[mediaman007]

10. They don't need "us" to believe...they just want the right wing wackos and

talk radio to "get off" on this. Firing up the faithful.

[Warren Stupidity]

28. exactly.

However I think they wil repeat the farce of getting the UN to agree to something and then using that something, whatever it is, as cover for overt aggression against Iran. Hey why would they change the scenario?

[SoulDrift]

29. Use the Repub majority while you have it!

I'm sure they're thinking it'll be harder to get war resolution passed once the Dems win some seats this November. "Only 3 years left" is an awfully long time!

[Algorem]

9. and lots of aluminum tubes

[Canuckistanian]

11. OK, how many other countries have nukes?

Let's see, Russia, China, North Korea, France, UK, and maybe Israel and South Africa. They could have acquired plans from any of those countries.

AND the idea for a thermonuclear device has been around since the early '40's. And any PHd in Nuclear Physics knows exactly what's invovled. It's not a big secret anymore.

How difficult would it be to make a basic nuclear bomb? They don't need to be sophisticated to work.

I'm sure with modern manufacturing processes, a "Little Boy" or "Fat Man" could easily be made these days.

[Bridget Burke]

26. Pakistan also has nukes...

But Pakistan is Our Good Friend.

[Canuckistanian]

30. Ah, yes I forgot Pakistan

The wildest card of all.

[dusmcj]

12. wonder if it's the same as the ones you find online. nt

[CoffeeCat]

14. I see it!! I see the nuke blueprint!!! Don't you????

Please people!! Quit complaining! The nuke blueprint...it's right over there!

See!! To the left of the mobile weapons lab...see it? It's just beyond that big
pile of yellow cake....see it now?

Hold on! We're 'turning a corner'...you'll see it in just a second!!

Ok...look to the left of the aluminum tubes....Do you see the threat...it's sorta
in the 'form of a mushroom cloud'! See it yet???

Come on! It's just beyond the gigantic, mountainous piles of Saddam's WMD!

You have to see it now!

Oh good...Mission Accomplished!

[wakeme2008]

15. that are blueprints like that in DC that ppl can get from the US Govt

give me a break.

[oblivious]

16. Oh My God. It's the famous LAPTOP again. I thought they'd given up on that

Can you imagine? Anyone could put anything on a laptop and say it was from anyone else. If the IAEA or SC accepts this as proof of anything I'll give up and say they are all in on it.

[oblivious]

17. More from Time: "Iranian Bombshell?"

Iranian Bombshell?
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1169919,00.html

Bush Administration officials are readying a new intelligence briefing for council members on Tehran's weapons programs. It will rely mainly on circumstantial evidence, much of it from documents found on a laptop purportedly purloined from an Iranian nuclear engineer and obtained by the CIA in 2004. U.S. officials insist the material is strong but concede they have no smoking gun.

They do, however, have diagrams that they believe show components of a nuclear bomb. According to a Western diplomat familiar with the U.S. intel brief, a Farsi-language PowerPoint presentation on the laptop has "catchy graphics," including diagrams of a hollow metallic sphere 2 ft. in diameter and weighing about 440 lbs.

[daleo]

36. That seems kind of heavy

Since you only need about 10 kg or so (20-25 pounds) of plutonium, along with a jacket of high explosives. 400+ pounds of high explosives seems like quite a bit for the jacket, but I don't know for sure. Naturally you wouldn't use a "hollow metallic sphere" for a nuclear bomb - the sphere has to be a sub-critical mass of highly fissionable matter.

Maybe they had a picture of Bush's brain - "a hollow metallic sphere 2 ft. in diameter and weighing about 440 lbs".

[lovuian]

37. Next we will get satellite pictures of Nuclear power plants

and where is Colin Powell to sell the UN this stuff... Bolton has no popular ratings to take a hit with...

[stillcool]

18. Didn't some spook sell the Iranians....

blueprints that were supposed to be bogus...but weren't? I'll google away..

[ama]

32. CIA used A-bomb plan as bait

Iran and EU officials failed yesterday to resolve a standoff over Iran's nuclear work before a United Nations atomic watchdog meeting Monday that may lead to Security Council action. In his book, State of War, James Risen includes the startling claim that the U.S. actually handed Tehran the blueprints for an atomic bomb in 2000.
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1141426211990&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968793972154&t=TS_Home

[LynnTheDem]

19. Gee, Iran must have Google.

Many Americans are stupid enough to fall for this shit. Again. The rest of the world isn't, of course. Again.

[OneBlueSky]

20. "Lying Us Into A War, Part 2 (or 3)" . . . A BushCo Production . . .

spoonsored by the oil and "defense" industries . . . with support from banking, pharmaceuticals, agri-business and other allied corporate megaliths . . .

[Hekate]

21. Isn't that a remake of a Grade B film we already saw?

It was lousy the first time around.

Hekate

[truthisfreedom]

22. never underestimate the stupidity of the average news absorber.

all of this crap is designed to influence the lowest common denominator.

[GoodSpud]

23. OMG! OMG! The wiki people have them too!

What ever shall we do???

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Schematic_diagrams



And for the love of god keep the Iranians off of the Amazon site where I understand that they sell The Making of the Atomic Bomb by Richard Rhodes. It has diagrams AND pictures and everything.....



And, and if they did a search on google for 'rosenberg spy diagram' they might find the picture that got those two executed....

Shrub, Shrub, save us!!!



T.D.P.

p.s. pardon the sarcasm. HOW to make an atomic bomb it not really a secret. Most any Physics graduate could give it a pretty good shot given the timers, explosive lenses and fissile material...

p.p.s. If you just wanted to make a bomb that would work 'good enough' I would think you would try the Little Boy (aka Hiroshima bomb) type which is much easier to pull off.

don't go look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Boy there might be diagrams.....

[HuffleClaw]

25. 'hey officer, that guy has some drugs i sold him!'

pretty lame, even for them, and 'not enough proof of an alleged full-scale weapons program'? i sure hope the IAEA isn't foolish enough to believe even a single thing alleged by the US.

[Warren Stupidity]

27. The bomb is being manufactured in mobile

nuclear weapons laboratories. We have power point slides of that too. These asshats have so little imagination that, like Hollywood, they are just going to go through the same formula. War with Iran will be Neocon Follies II - the sequel.

[superconnected]

31. More of that 1.2 billion budget for propaganda

Much like the Downing Street memos showed we were invading iraq, WMDS or not, this wholly transparent propaganda shows, we are invading Iran, nukes or not.

[sarcasmo]

33. Kick and Nom for the IDIOT boy King starting WWIII.

[July]

34. Deja vu is right. Back to "intentions of mass destruction."

What was that wacky locution? "WMD program-related activities," or something like that?

[Mithras61]

35. Now all they need is a decade to make the enriched uranium...

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/05/international/middleeast/05iran.html?_r=1&oref=login">As Crisis Brews, Iran Hits Bumps in Atomic Path

<snip>

According to the analysts, the Iranians need to do repairs and build new machines at a prototype plant before they can begin enriching even modest quantities of uranium. And then, for a decade, they would have to mass produce 100 centrifuges a week to fill the cavernous industrial enrichment halls at Natanz. What is more, the gas meant to feed those machines is plagued by impurities.

<snip>

So now they have the plans, and they only need a decade to make the enriched uranium (unless they can steal it from one of the "secured" sites where we store ours, or the Russians store theirs...) and they'll be in business.


Tell me again how this is an emergency that requires us to invade Iran RIGHT NOW!

terra, terra, terra, terra, terra, terra, 911, 911, 911, 911, 911,:nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::sarcasm:

[Thor_MN]

42. enriched Uranium gets them NOTHING with the "plans." You need Plutonium

for a Plutonium Implosion device. Separating Plutonium (a chemical process) from used power plant fuel rods is trivial compared to enriching Uranium (need to separate isotopes.)

This is more pre-emptive bullshit from the Neocons...

[AzDar]

38. Are these fuckweasels TRYING to start WWIII? Surely, SURELY,

the American populace will not fall for the old WMD bait-and-switch AGAIN?!?

[november3rd]

41. Iran alleges US illegally proliferating materials

Ok? http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=KEE20060210&articleId=1936

http://www.payvand.com/news/06/mar/1064.html