U.S. Troops in Iraq: 72% Say End War in 2006 (Zogby)

[sabra]

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1075

U.S. Troops in Iraq: 72% Say End War in 2006

- Le Moyne College/Zogby Poll shows just one in five troops want to heed Bush call to stay “as long as they are needed”
- While 58% say mission is clear, 42% say U.S. role is hazy
- Plurality believes Iraqi insurgents are mostly homegrown
- Almost 90% think war is retaliation for Saddam’s role in 9/11, most don’t blame Iraqi public for insurgent attacks
- Majority of troops oppose use of harsh prisoner interrogation
- Plurality of troops pleased with their armor and equipment

An overwhelming majority of 72% of American troops serving in Iraq think the U.S. should exit the country within the next year, and nearly one in four say the troops should leave immediately, a new Le Moyne College/Zogby International survey shows.

my 2 cents on the "- Almost 90% think war is retaliation for Saddam’s role in 9/11":

http://www.tinyrevolution.com/mt/archives/000773.html

The new documentary Why We Fight features a retired New York City policeman and Vietnam veteran named Wilton Sekzer. It examines his turbulent emotions after his son Jason was killed at the World Trade Center on 9/11.

At first Sekzer just wants revenge, and he understands the Bush administration to be saying Iraq was somehow responsible. So not only does he support the Iraq war, he asks the Pentagon to write his son's name on a bomb. They do, and drop it east of Baghdad.



Obviously Sekzer wasn't alone in feeling this way about 9/11 and Iraq. Until recently, polls showed a majority of Americans believed Saddam Hussein was "personally involved" in the attacks.

...

As Why We Fight shows, Wilton Sekzer was stunned when—many months after the invasion—George Bush explicitly said there was no evidence Iraq was involved in 9/11. He felt duped and betrayed. And now not only is his son gone, so is any faith he had in the U.S. government.

[zanne]

1. I can't believe that 90% of them still believe the 9/11 crap...

They must get this misinformation in basic training.

[sabra]

3. yeah, that figure took me by surprise too.

[mymomwasright]

4. Troops watch the blurbs on TV

Unfortunatly, in most recreation and break areas it's Faux news blurbs. Also, commisioned officers still peddle and tow the "party line". :puke:

[Orangepeel]

21. That doesn't come (just) from TV -- that's the military lying to them

I don't think that 90% of republicans in the US still believe that. The troops are willfully being lied to in an attempt to make the war seem justified (looks like it is barely working)

[Mandate My Ass]

5. Flabbergasted

I read it twice and I still can't believe 90% Saddam had something to do with 9/11. It must be their superiors telling them that crap to keep them motivated. Sheesh.

[leftchick]

10. on base propaganda works!

someone was telling me a couple of years ago how they showed the twin towers falling over and over again on tv at their base in Iraq. Pretty sick and effective.

[calmblueocean]

11. God, that's depressing.

All these people dying for something that isn't even true.

[Yavin4]

20. They've Been In Iraq For Three Years. They don't know the Truth

Their news is filtered through the Pentagon. They only get Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, not Al Franken and AAR.

[EFerrari]

22. On the other hand, DESPITE believing this is about 9/11

the overwhelming majority say, get out.

That's really telling.

[zanne]

24. That's pretty astounding.

I wasn't looking at it that way. Incredible,isn't it?

[EFerrari]

25. Yes. We need to get them out of there. n/t

[warrens]

2. 90 percent think Saddam was behind 9/11?

I knew most of them weren't college grads, but that's ridiculously uninformed. They probably wouldn't get the Brazilion joke, I guess.

[meganmonkey]

7. Not necessarily "uninformed"

I think it is more like "misinformed".
:(

[rodeodance]

14. whow--90% link 9/11 with SH--unbelievable!

.....- Almost 90% think war is retaliation for Saddam’s role in 9/11, most don’t blame Iraqi public for insurgent attacks

[liberal_patriot_md]

41. can you blame them though?

The troops I mean. They need something to convince them to drive those unarmored humvees around Baghdad. You think "spreading democracy" is going to do that?

[leftchick]

6. Here is the NYT editorial on this poll....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x193940

[rodeodance]

8. Russ Feingold set this out in a proposal last year (collecting dust).

[stepnw1f]

9. Who's Responsible for feeding 90% Lies?

Those responsible need to be be exposed to the public.

[leftchick]

12. the pentagon feeds it to the troops

and we pay for it. :grr:

[stepnw1f]

13. Wartime Propaganda

Why should anybody ever trust Republicans? They are in power and have the responsibility to Checks and Balances. Yet they have shown just how much they really care.

[NMDemDist2]

15. glad to add the 5th Nom n/t

[cali]

16. We need

an undercover freeper to go post this in the totalitarian state of Wingnuttia, so I can watch freeper heads explode, ugly remarks made about zogby abound, and denial to blossom.

[OnionPatch]

17. 90% What a tragedy

that all those guys think they're there fighting in retaliation for 9-11. The saddest part is that it's probably the only way some of them could even make it through each day over there. :cry:

I'm guessing that Rush Limbaugh is in a large part responsible for this. Did they ever get Big Ed or Al Franken on the radio over there?

[gratuitous]

18. So 72% of our troops are a bunch of cut-and-run cowards?

Isn't that what the GOP told those of us favoring a pull-out means?

Of course, now that the public trusts the Democrats more on issues of national security, I suppose the Republicans should feel free to bash away at 72% of the troops in Iraq. I'd love to see the stump speeches at the Legion halls and in the barracks as the GOP berates the troops and the veterans for being cowards.

[arewenotdemo]

39. That appears, sadly, to be the case.

Will the Freepers lose all respect for them now?

[xyboymil]

19. 90%=Brainwashing. Make no mistake...

These soldiers are lied to the moment they enter boot camp.

They are told lies upon lies as to why we went to war.

How very sad...

[tgnyc]

23. Which proves Murtha was speaking for the troops. HELLO, Democrats?

[yurbud]

26. POLL: 72% of troops say leave Iraq in a year (post to FREEPER SITES)

Maybe we should support the troops the same way we should support Iraqi democracy--by actually listening to them.

72% think we should leave within a year.

29% of those say leave IMMEDIATELY.

23% support Bush's position of staying as long as necessary (until last drop of oil is pumped)


Additionally, most troops said they are fighting disgruntled Sunnis not the mythical al Qaeda or jihadis, and only 26% think keeping foreign fighters out will end the war.

The public doesn't support the war. Our troops don't support the war. Iraqis themselves have said in poll after poll they want us to leave. The rest of the world didn't even want us to go in the first place.

How is ignoring the majority opinions of so many people teaching anyone democracy?

This is a good one to forward to newspapers.

http://rawstory.com/admin/dbscripts/printstory.php?story=1967

Poll: 72 percent of troops want out of Iraq in a year

02/28/2006 @ 9:38 am
Filed by RAW STORY

<snip>
The poll is the first of U.S. troops currently serving in Iraq, according to John Zogby, the pollster. Conducted by Zogby International and LeMoyne College, it asked 944 service members, "How long should U.S. troops stay in Iraq?"

Only 23 percent backed Bush's position that they should stay as long as necessary. In contrast, 72 percent said that U.S. troops should be pulled out within one year. Of those, 29 percent said they should withdraw "immediately..."

While the White House emphasizes the threat from non-Iraqi terrorists, only 26 percent of the U.S. troops say that the insurgency would end if those foreign fighters could be kept out. A plurality believes that the insurgency is made up overwhelmingly of discontented Iraqi Sunnis...

By a 2-1 ratio, the troops said that "to control the insurgency we need to double the level of ground troops and bombing missions." And since there is zero chance of that happening, a majority of troops seemed to be saying that they believe this war to be unwinnable.

<snip>


The full Zogby poll is available here.
http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1075

[BOSSHOG]

27. bush will have a tough time firing them all

as he did with General Shinseki. He didn't listen to him either. When I served in the Navy one of the greatest leadership tools was to listen to the person who does the job to find out what the problems are and how to make the job better and easier. But, we are talking about the bush administration where leadership is nonexistent.

[yurbud]

28. that was Eisenhower's approach too. vote this up so it gets seen

[revree]

29. Support the troops...

bring them home now. I'd love to see a freeper argue with this now that the troops themselves have spoken.

[Trevelyan]

46. Freepers on AOL are still saying, as late as last week, that the number of

soldiers dead the week before were murdered by the liberals - the fifth column remarks need to be addressed ASAP. Even a few Brownshirts can do a lot of damage.

[yurbud]

30. Pollster Zogby blogs on this at HuffPost (LINK)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-zogby/on-a-new-poll-of-us-sol_b_16497.html

[JeffR]

31. So the troops don't support the troops?

:sarcasm:

[Turn CO Blue]

33. Best post in thread! LMAO! So the troops don't support the troops!

You're funny.

[tabasco]

37. There ya' go !

Pretty soon only the freepers and their portapotties will be left to "support the troops."

[yurbud]

32. my thread on this on ANN COULTER BOARD

http://news.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=&action=m&board=37447170&tid=ucacsothreemuslimswalkintoaport&sid=37447170&mid=3835&thr=3835&cur=3835&dir=d

[High Plains]

34. So, can Democrats now start talking about withdrawal?

Or do we need 110% for it?

[yurbud]

35. Well, well, Wellstone...

If it isn't polls, you have to wonder if they aren't worried about being Wellstoned if they leave the reservation and rally too much support once off.

[mwb970]

36. How sad to die for a lie.

Believing in it all the while. That's even worse than dying for a mistake.

[tabasco]

38. Damn right a lie is worse than a mistake.

A mistake is bad enough.

A lie is TREASON !

[neuvocat]

40. on edit

Someone already beat me to that comment. However, going on to that picture, that is an awful, awful way to pay tribute to a dead loved one.

[calimary]

42. I took a Zogby online poll a couple of days ago. Man, things are turning!

While I haven't taken them regularly since maybe October (just resumed this week), I've never before seen a question that asks: "are you proud or ashamed that george w. bush is president of the United States? Answer, from me, of course, was "ashamed." This is the first time I've seen such strong wording associated with opinions on bush. They're still asking that he be graded on an "excellent," "good," "fair," and "poor" scale, leaving out "abysmal" as a choice. But "ashamed" is a good start.

[blue cat]

43. But they voted for Bush anyway

Sigh.

[oblivious]

44. I'd like to hear the 58% justify their "clear mission".

It's one thing asking them if the mission is clear. It's another asking them what their mission is.

[Trevelyan]

45. Is there a link to where Bush said Iraq was not involved in 911? I still

see the wingnuts on AOL messageboard saying that Iraq deserves the horrors of being murdered, White Phosphorus, whatever because they killed 3,000 innocent Americans on 911 and their children will grow up to be terrorists and murder Americans so they also deserve to die.

Others on AOL give some of the 911 truthsites and the wingnuts will probably never go there but there are others who are just waking up and looking for the truth as I did after the Kerry election theft and Kerry conceding before the votes were in -- Someone on a messageboard suggested that I look up Skull and Bones if I wanted to know what was happening, I did and the crimes of the BFEE which I had read about in bits and pieces in the WaPo began to come together, so I like to leave URLs for the truth on AOL forums.

[confludemocrat]

47. so "mission" is clear, it's about 9/11, but we wanna come home, WTF?

No an uplifting picture of the mental capacity of the US military rank and file.

[oblivious]

48. 90% of soldiers vs 29% of general public think Saddam did 911.

Is this just a reflection of military propaganda or are soldiers in general far dumber than the general public?

Few Americans Perceive Hussein-9/11 Link
Most adults in the United States think former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein did not play a role in the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, according to a poll by the New York Times and CBS News. 57 per cent of respondents think Hussein was not involved in the events of 9/11.
http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/index.cfm/fuseaction/viewItem/itemID/11047