The photos America doesn't want seen (60 new Abu Ghraib pics, Aussie TV)

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

By Matthew Moore
February 15, 2006

http://smh.com.au/news/world/the-photos-america-doesnt-want-seen/2006/02/14/1139890737099.html#

MORE photographs have been leaked of Iraqi citizens tortured by US soldiers at the notorious Abu Ghraib prison on the outskirts of Baghdad.

Tonight the SBS Dateline program plans to broadcast about 60 previously unpublished photographs that the US Government has been fighting to keep secret in a court case with the American Civil Liberties Union.

Although a US judge last year granted the union access to the photographs following a freedom-of-information request, the US Administration has appealed against the decision on the grounds their release would fuel anti-American sentiment.

Some of the photos are similar to those published in 2004, others are different. They include photographs of six corpses, although the circumstances of their deaths are not clear. There are also pictures of what appear to be burns and wounds from shotgun pellets.

[umass1993]

1. I just followed that link...

Even that relatively moderate photo disturbed me more than anything I've seen in a while. I just get this flutter in my stomach...

Then again, I even avoid movies with gratuitous torture.

[rodeodance]

3. whow, the Aussies will be releasing them?---whow.

[Renew Deal]

9. All of them?

How many are there? Some include rape and murder. Are those in there?

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

11. I don't think this is the same FOIA set the U.S. judge ruled on.

The article doesn't specify, but it also doesn't say it's the same set. Plus, no videos...and I doubt that Australian TV could get away with showing some of what was in the videos (child rape, etc).

[rodeodance]

16. you are right--it is vague. but time will tell.

[0007]

57. This kind of looks like the left overs from the first batch, doesn't it?

[saigon68]

103. not really

[rodeodance]

14. yes, that number rings a bell.

[radwriter0555]

53. Well... WE need to send this link to EVERY US MEDIA OUTLET possible.

Right?

Since the white house isn't doing it, we should.

[I Have A Dream]

115. Maybe sometime in the future we'll be able to trust the media...

again. I was happy to see that Salon.com has them.

[havocmom]

2. Tie Cheney and the chimp up, send THEM over to face the Iraqi people

They are the root of the mess.

[rodeodance]

4. it is the Pentagon/WH who is having fits and who have gone

to court to keep them out of circulation.

[saigon68]

54. Pentagon/WH scum bags and War Criminals

http://smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/02/15/abughraib1_wideweb__470x306,0.jpg


THIS "NEW" PHOTO IS THE SAME MAN AS THE ONE PRECIOUSLY RELEASED BELOW





I'd really like to know the name of the MOTHER-FUCKER with the DOG.

WHO APPARENTLY STILL SLEEPS ON HIS HEATED WATER BED.

[hlthe2b]

5. thanks for the link....

I think I'll wait until I'm home (and perhaps with a bit of "liquid medication" bucking me up) to view...

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

6. They're going to be shown on TV (only 1 photo on the Web Site)...

...and it's similar to the ones that have already been published in the U.S...

[daleo]

7. Similar, but there are lots more

Quantity has an impact in this sort of thing. Ironic that shotgun wounds are included, given Cheney's shooting someone with a shotgun.

[bananas]

8. "wounds from shotgun pellets" - was Cheney there?

[arikara]

12. "Peppering" prisoners? Its harmless fun...

Must be some sort of hazing ritual. Crazy lads... what will they come up with next?

[crikkett]

10. Good timing.

:popcorn:

[grytpype]

13. Here we go...

... another outrageous scandal that Bush and Cheney will survive against all reason and justice.

[rodeodance]

15. k and rec.

[Nostradammit]

25. Or not -

Maybe this one will do them in. Maybe all of the lies they've told and all the crimes they've committed will rise up in a tsunami of justice and do them in, once and for all.

That's what I keep imagining.

[Judi Lynn]

50. They can create so many crises at one time that the untrained eye

can't really follow what they're doing! It has been that way from the moment they stole the pResidency. It will be a miracle if they don't seize the government permanently.

[Blue_Tires]

121. another DUer came up with the term 'outrage fatigue'

sadly, this was back in '02, when we all thought things could not possibly get worse...lol

[Clara T]

17. More Images Here

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/2/14/183059/640

No Words

[Vinca]

19. One word: sickening. nt

[VaYallaDawg]

108. Oh. My. God.

We're really in a big mess now. Sickening is right - there just aren't words to express how awful this is.

[Gemini Cat]

30. You're right, there are no words.

:cry:

[bpilgrim]

18. No Bravery (flash)

http://nobravery.cf.huffingtonpost.com

psst... pass the word

peace

[Maestro]

20. Disgusting

I don't care if those prisoners were "enemy combatants" or whatever you want to call them. No person should be treated that way. I'd like to think my country is above stooping to the level of heartless dictator, but hey, with * and his cabal what do you expect? Repulsive!

[lumpy]

21. kick

nt

[imperial jedi]

22. totally Disgusting.

n/t

[Judi Lynn]

23. Thank you, Bush_Eats_Beef, and Clara T for your quick work.

Looks as if _Bush-worshipping Republicans are going to have a lot of new wall posters to put up after tonight.

I can see why they tried to hide these, and I'm so glad they didn't get by with it. Nothing could be more despicable.

[Judi Lynn]

24. Kick!

:kick: :kick: :kick:

[file83]

26. DoublePlus Ungood

Looks like room 101, I wonder if they got those victims to believe that 2+2=5.

[Amonester]

27. If those shameful images were not in full blood color, but

in shades of gray, one could believe they'd originated in SS Nazi camps of the 1940s. So barbaric... But no, this is beyond the pale. And how many of these Iraqi citizens have been found guilty of any crime (and even then - the criminals here are the occupiers of THEIR country - not one human being on earth should ever even be humiliated that way for any reason: NOT ONE).

This is not "Democracy" in no f**king way...
This is pure Fascism of it's worst nightmare.

War crimes are still waiting to be properly prosecuted in due process.
Starting at the very top of the chain of command.
At The Hague Tribunal.

[thebigidea]

31. how dare you compare our brave soldiers to the SS?!?

Why, our atrocities are totally different, because we're good guys and stuff.

I'll never forgot what they did to Durbin over this - and how he backed down. Grrrr.

[Synnical]

28. Photos from post in GD

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x423863

Hat Tip to Katherine Brengle

[Synnical]

29. Ya know what's weird about the photos/video?

"Mr Carey said he could not explain why the photographs had not yet been published, as he thought it was likely that some journalists had them."

Sy Hersch has seen them, so have members of Congress.

[thebigidea]

32. yep, the Post has hundreds more.

They "thought about" releasing them in 2004, but never bothered.

[Straight Shooter]

33. I'm so glad my hard-earned tax dollars are spent helping the Iraqi people.

:sarcasm:

[oscarguy]

34. Does anyone here care about what has happened to US and other Captives?

Compare the worst of what U.S. Forces have done with what the Jihadis or whatever you wish to call them have done with their prisoners. There is no comparison. Would you rather be humiliated or have your head chopped off? Think about that. I am tired of hearing about this crap. Compared to the way prisoners were treated in other wars these Jihadi bastards have gotten treated relatively well. What do they do to their prisoners ,and compare. I fought in the Viet Nam War as an Infantryman. How many American infantry POW`s were ever taken? Not many if any. We did take enemy POWs. I was in the hospital lying next to one who got as good of treatment as the rest of us did . I am sick and tired of this crap. Talk to some Korean War Vets and it was as bad. What happened to our guys. If you were unfortunate enough to get captured you got nailed or tied to a tree and ended up with your dick in your mouth, fingers cut off and such. I am a loyal Democrat but am sick and tired of of this one sided issue that I keep reading about. ...Oscar

[Herkdrvr]

35. There is a difference

The Iraqi fighters (and foreign fighters) tend to kill any survivors, often mutilating them. In 99% of the time, US forces will not only spare the enemy wounded's life, but we will evacuate them and have them treated. I don't know how many times I've seen wounded Iraqis being medivac'd to a medical facility.

Abu Graib certainly did us no favors, but it's not the norm.

[oscarguy]

37. Thank You Herkdrvr, Sounds like you were there. Thank You for

your service. I am very grateful for it. As you know, given the circumstances, the vast majority of American fighting men and women do the best they can to conduct combat operations in an honorable way. Getting out there and killing enemy soldiers is their job and it is dangerous and difficult. Again, Thank You, ...Oscar

[Amonester]

42. The chickenhawks who condone torture use "the vast majority

of American fighting men and women" - I agree to the fact that they are a majority of good people, I agree - yes, the neocon's war-profiteers (with a Corpo-Fascist agenda for the benefit of their small clique of "Have Mores" who want to dominate the world, and do...) use them like - or even worst than - for example, Enron's criminal Executives used (or abused) their former employees, small investors, and customers for years to rob them all of their pension plans, shares, and utilities (inflating electricity prices in CA), respectively.

The warmongering chickenhawks and AWOL use (at the expense of the taxpayers, not much of their own, since they also take in tax cuts after tax cuts), yes, they use the vast majority of fighting men and woman's lives and limbs to illegally grab other country's resources (mainly: OIL)

If the vast majority of (good) men and women could understand that fact, I think they would collectively do everything they could to arrest these neocons' war criminals and bring them to the proper court of Justice (because, that's what mobsters like them deserve, IMO).


America ‘Pearl Harbored’
http://www.americanfreepress.net/12_24_02/America_Pearl_Harbored/america_pearl_harbored.html

Fanatical Warhawks Drafted Blueprint for Bloody U.S. World Domination Years Ago

The cabal of war fanatics advising the White House secretly planned a “transformation” of defense policy years ago, calling for war against Iraq and huge increases in military spending. A “catalyzing event — like a new Pearl Harbor” — was seen as necessary to bring this about.

Exclusive to American Free Press

By Christopher Bollyn



Thank you for your service to the country (although we wish you'd understand).
Know 'who' the 'real' terrorists R.

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

38. apples& oranges- A PATRIOT justifies torture!-ends do not justify means

edited for spelling
Sorry but you should really reconsider your stance.
Your attitude about this is what the entire PNAC is based on.
Leo Strauss= the neo cons' "GOD" and mentor--
I challenge this logic and must insist that the Ends do Not Justify the means-
We are not licensed to Amerikkkanize the rest of the world
(even if they do have things we want to own)!
IT IS WRONG and even lots of Republikkkans won't buy it -
It is technically illogical to assume that if "our team" has suffered
then it is therefore hereby declared "justified" that "our team" may
commit reprehensible acts on the "their team"...

so we have to clarify...
define their team --who is that?
I know you were talking Viet Nam and Korea-
-so What the hell do those people have to do with Iraqis?
Are Iraqis part "their team"?
Does their team include any or all citizens or resistors who reside in countries we are attempting to take over and control?
Is their team of a particular "religious faith"?
(I ask do the Pat Robertson fanatic Christians speak for or represent all Christians?)
Does their team include ALL members of a particular race?

There is no such thing as "them".
You have obviously bought the farm.
Them is whoever they feel like railroading.
Violence begets violence.

We have beheaded probably between 100 and 200 thousand Iraqis.
Yep, that's right, i said "be-head"!
Them daisy cutters 'll take yer head right off!!
Whap!
And that WP !! whew eee!
That'l burn yer head right off!
and how 'bout them MOABS Stan ? !!
And them there cluster bombs Tom !!
And that poison gas 'll burn yer lungs out Jim.

All justified under the guise of helping to spread freedom!

And i guess it is pretty humiliating to end up dead after being tortured--
just a little humiliation right ?
How many?
You think they write it in a book?
You know this aggressive freedom spreading military has humiliated and ended up killing countless innocent individuals.
And word gets back home about what we've done to their loved ones--and do you think they are in the forgiving mood?
How many more troops' lives are at risk because of this abhorrent uncivilized behavior?
sitting duck targets!
What a joke !

We cannot live a dual standard if the World is to ever take us seriously!

And if we can't set a good example who can?
I watched the film on CNN of the execution of wouded Iraqis in the Mosque so don't tell me we give them medical care.
And the execution of "suspects" from the hellicopter--and a how bout all the journalists?

Truth by Example is what I say!

Your attitude is one of hypocrisy and lacks in the morality department...but you're exactly the type Uncle Sam wants to hire up.

[oscarguy]

40. I am a non-believer in any religion. I tell it like I have lived and seen

it. Do not try and put me in some neo-con bag. Our Nation and all non-moslem peoples have been attacked for many decades now by these Jihadi Bastards. It is time you and like minded people remember that. They hate and want to kill you. The only thing protecting you from them are the men and women out there fighting them. Perhaps you are willing to have some moslem cleric dictate how you should live your life, I am not. ...Oscar

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

41. I am sorry you belive that you are in danger

We inflict harm on people in other countries.
In their homes, on their Lands,...
Those who have not attacked us!!

Those invaded by us will logically hate us...and create a resistance network.
We have no right to harm innocent individuals regardless.
And this invasion/pre-emptive policy ensures the creation of even more terrorists.

By the way,
International law prohibits invading countries that have not attacked first.

and also by the way,
Iraq had nothing to do with 911...even Junior (Bush) admitted that!

If we are in danger it's because of what we have done under this current administration's policies.
But we're not in danger if we just kick back, get off the idea of occupying oil rich lands,
, and just start worrying about our own country which is falling apart at the seams!

And no Muslim is going to try and take us over!
Most of them just want to be left alone!

You'd best be more worried about Falwell, and Pat Robertson and his followers!
They DO want to dictate how you live your life! and they live right here!

[oscarguy]

44. Religions are all institutionalized insanity in my opinion. Just listen

to what they say and try and reconcile that with reality. Never the less, these Moslem extremists have avowed and are aggressively pursuing a course of murderous destruction on all who do not embrace their particular brand of insanity. The Christians did the same for 1200 years or more. They are not doing so at the present time. We live here and now. That is the way it is. Sadly, we are being forced to fight religious fanatics here at the beginning of the 21st Century. I am not afraid. I was a Marine and I do Know that when it comes down to an all out fight and we quit pulling our punches we will win. What does worry me is that we may become a very different country in the process. That does concern me. ...Oscar

[muriel_volestrangler]

52. The prisoners in Abu Ghraib are not 'Moslem extremists'

Iraq, under Saddam, was fairly secular - Christians could worship freely (the vice president was a Christian), they could sell and drink alcohol, women could wear western dress without having to worry about being criticised or attacked for it, and so on. There was no presence of al Qaeda in Iraq until after the invasion.

Those in Abu Ghraib are probably not 'Moslem extremists'. Many are suspected common criminals. Those that are suspected of being part of the insurgency are mainly (90% or more) Iraqis, who feel that the invasion (which the United Nations Secretary General has declared illegal) was unjust, and think they have the right to fight the occupying forces. Bush's claim is that we invaded Iraq to spread 'freedom'. If that is so, then a vital part of freedom is that criminals, suspected or convicted, are treated according to the rule of law. Bush sent the officer who had been in charge of torture at Guantanamo to do the same in Abu Ghraib, to 'get results'. The abuse (including child rape, remember) in Abu Ghraib was sanctioned by high ranking officers, as an attempt to get information out of the Iraqi prisoners.

[thebigidea]

59. reason, logic, fact? Why bother when you can hate THE OTHER

[shrike]

68. Religion is not the only variable here

Dangerous and simplistic way to look at this. Lot more involved.
Religion extremism does not take root in a vacuum. The Mideast -- and other parts of the world -- have endured 60 years of our foreign policy. Why do you think Latin America (Roman Catholic, BTW) is pulling away from us? They've had enough.
We've been pulling shenanigans in the Arab world for years (and not just for the sake of Israel). Do you think that the Arabs and other ethnic groups don't know that? Do you think they don't know we supported Saddam, turned a blind eye to his atrocities until he was no longer useful to us? Angry people tend to band together and oftimes angry people turn to religion to make their point. (Although not always. The Tamil Tigers, one of the most active and dangerous terrorist groups in the world, has no religious affiliation.)
Also, when one positions oneself on the moral high road, one should take care to stay on that road.

[oscarguy]

116. You made some good points that I agree with.

The Bush family in particular have made very " Unholy Alliances " with " GOD ONLY KNOWS WHO " long before event the first GULF WAR. They were also deeply involved with Hitler during WWII. I am very concerned about our current leadership to put it mildly. ...Oscar

[shrike]

122. we all are.

Welcome to DU, BTW

[arcane1]

106. "They are not doing so at the present time" - that's a lie

the "christians" have been fucking with the middle-east for more years than America has been a country

[malaise]

49. You nation violated international law

and invaded the home of these people. Your nation further violated the Geneva Convention and tortured them. This is fugging torture and you'd better tell us which Iraqis attacked you in your homeland.

Anyone who has no problem with these photos is either a neo-con or a brainwashed moron.

[Igel]

63. There are also those who

believe in finding the miscreants that did these things, and throwing them in jail. Rather than tarring and feathering everybody with the same insignia on their passport ... or of the same religion, skin color, or language/culture.

I suspect many or most have been punished. Old photos, old indignation.

[thebigidea]

66. nah. None of the contractors or MI people were charged.

and the superiors? Still in power. Those that set the policy? Promoted.

[Ignis]

94. What is this "International Law" of which you speak?

Sadly, the BFEE has only one law: Whatever they can get away with.

Now watch this shot...

[maxrandb]

64. Get a Clue

Why just the other day Mable and I were talking about those 12 Al Quada nuclear aircraft carriers off the coast of New York. Must be a thousand planes with state of the art weapons and defense systems. Combine that with the 200 nuclear powered submarines, and I'll tell you, that Al Quada is a force to be reckoned with.

and NO, the only thing protecting you and me is NOT the "men and women out there fighting them". They are doing their fair share, but also protecting me and you is over 200 years of freedom and democracy. Also protecting you and me is an over 200 year old document written by flawed, but great men. Also protecting you and me is the spirit of the American people, who over 200 years have, despite some stumbles along the way, demonstrated to the world that we fight for justice. A spirit that for over 200 years (despite some despicable attacks on our way of life) has NEVER SURRENDERED TO THE WORST OF OUR DEMONS, but found a way to FOLLOW OUR BETTER ANGELS. That is what has allowed America, for over 200 years, to be a shining beacon to the world. We've earned that reputation by using our power for good. In a little over 5 years, these bastards have just about wiped out that 200 year old reputation.

There is no way "some moslem(sp) cleric is going to dictate how you should live your life", unless we continue to put these idiotic republican pricks in charge.

Stop being afraid of the bearded boogey-man.

[ninkasi]

97. Good post...

You put things in perspective very well. Thank you, too, for pointing out that we have no "moslem" clerics telling us how to live our lives, but there is an enormously well funded religious right Christian fundamentalist machine, led by the likes of Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell, who do try to impose their views onto every aspect of our lives.

We invaded Iraq, they did not invade us. We are killing and maiming thousands of Iraqi citizens, and destroying their country. We are doing this because Bush wanted to be a "war president", and because it's making his cronies even richer.

[High Plains]

110. No need to put you in a neo-con bag.

Anyone talking about "Jihadi bastards" and how "they hate and want to kill you" has put himself there already.

I don't come to this forum to listen to militarist, jingoistic crap.

I'm a lot less worried about some Moslem cleric trying to dictate my life than I am about the Republicans and their fundamentalist allies trying to do so.

[oscarguy]

117. In This Forum I Have A Right To My Own Opinions Whether You Like It or No.

I am not posting here to please you, nor do I expect you or anyone else to like it. We supposedly still have the freedom of speech and I am exercising mine. ...Oscar

[thebigidea]

46. yeah, but we'e supposed to be BETTER than that.

So the horrible, murderous barbarian etc etc savages are doing horrible things. And? That's why they're the horrible, murderous barbarian etc etc savages. We were supposed to be the good guys - we don't treat POWs based on how Hitler, the VC, Hussein, or insurgents treat them. So stop making excuses for Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld's fuckups and torture.

[tabasco]

48. Wow you have some pretty low standards.

As long as we don't do what the terrorists do, you think it's ok that war crimes are committed in your nation's name.

We're supposed to be the good guys, remember?

You're getting tired of hearing about this crap, eh? Well boo fucking hoo. :cry: You're going to hear a lot more about it unless you stay glued to Fox News. I'm an infantry combat vet too and I think these acts are indecent, inexcusable, and an absolute disgrace. Just like war crimes committed everywhere else in the world, like Vietnam.

You have really low standards for your country when you say whatever we do is ok because somebody else did worse. Pathetic.

Are you tired of hearing about the tens of thousands of innocent people killed by our illegal invasion of Iraq? Hey whatever, right? Ghengis Khan invaded a lot more countries and killed a lot more people so it's ok if we do it too! Sad.

Any soldier that commits war crimes like this doesn't deserve to wear the uniform.

[Vickers]

58. Why stoop to their level? How fucking American is THAT?

Hearts and minds, huh? :eyes:

There are plenty of vets here at DU, me included, who will disagree with you, and make the argument that when *we* do stupid shit it makes it worse for our troops.

[maxrandb]

61. My God!!

Are you like a child?? Even our mothers will tell you that 2 wrongs don't make a right. There is no way to justify this crap. It's not a college prank. It's not letting off a little steam. It's abuse of the worst kind. Abuse of the defenseless.

The America I used to know would not take pride in the fact that we've sunk to the level of the worst animals out there. Either America stands for something, or it doesn't!

The message these pictures send to the rest of the world is bad enough. It's even worse to have Americans like you saying, "I'm tired of hearing about it, you should see what they do to our prisoners".

And my friend. I'm sure you will support me when I say that we should not just go after the "buck private" that committed these acts, but also the leadership that allowed this to happen.

Either we stand for what is right, or we might as well start flying fucking civilian airliners into the tallest buildings in the Middle East, and suicide bombing innocent woman, children and infants. I mean "Hey, they did it"! "Why shouldn't we". Then after, we can provide medical care and say; "see how compassionate and good we are"

[The Straight Story]

118. I think the point is, some on du here are harder on US than other places

While one does not, and should not, justify the crap we have done it is, at time, irksome that we give other places/countries a pass almost and justify what they do.

When it comes to our troops we smack them down when they do wrong and bash bush thread after thread, while it almost seems that we excuse the shit other people/countries do and say 'well, they have a right to do that cause we were bad'.

I think, basically, it is that attitude that really gets under the skin of the average american joe. Beheadings and then rioting over cartoons is ok cause we are mean but our troops putting someone on a dog leash, et al, is bad.

perhaps when we start being consistent about things will people vote for dems again....

[mike923]

101. withdrawn

withdrawn

[warsager]

36. MISSPELLED WORD

This photos are atrocious and make me upset beyond words.

One thing DO want to say, is did anyone notice on one of the pictures, on the bottom left side there is the bottom half of a man, with his underwear half pulled down, and, written on him are the words 'I AM A RAPEIST'

Okay, so many things I am wondering...what did they DO to him?? To them??

WHAT F*CKING CRIMINAL MORONS.

THESE ARE US SOLDIERS???

:cry:

[Nothing Without Hope]

39. ***Another thread on this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x413946
thread title (2-14-06 GD): 60 Previously Unpublished Photos From Abu Ghraib To be Broadcast
Comment/excerpt: “Tonight the SBS Dateline program plans to broadcast about 60 previously unpublished photographs that the US Government has been fighting to keep secret in a court case with the American Civil Liberties Union.”

[SKKY]

43. As a veteran, I would only ask everyone here who looks at these...

...pictures to not lump the rest of us into the same group as these jackasses. Many, many people on DU paint the military with
a very broad brush, and I beg that you keep in mind that we're not all like that. This was a very small
group of people who, without proper leadership and training, went horribly astray. Remember who's in charge of this
debacle, and hold them responsible. Your military, with very few exceptions, does a miraculous job with what
its been given.

[oscarguy]

45. I agree with you wholeheartedly. Thank you for your service....

to our Nation. It is thanks to people like you that we have as safe a place to live as we do. ...Oscar

[thebigidea]

47. we're going to need more than Karen Hughes to convince the Muslim world

[maxrandb]

60. Aye, Aye Liberal Sailor

I too am a liberal Sailor (21 years and counting). I too hope that DU will not paint with a broad brush here. Blame the individuals that did this. Blame the morons that provided no supervision or leadership. Blame the mis-administration for the way they've "dehumanized" the Iraqi people. Blame the talking heads and fucking apologist' for this fucking sick, twisted, pathological POS, POTUS.

and

Blame the Amurikan fucking people that elected these jackasses and put them in charge of the most powerful military the world has ever known.

Trust me. If I had been there and witnessed this shit, it would have been stopped pronto and the assholes that abused these prisoners would be spending the rest of their brief remaining military careers in Leavenworth, or GITMO.

Do not attack the military for what the civilian leadership has allowed to happen. Your pissed, and I'm pissed! Let's make sure we are PISSED! at the right people.

If you want to help out the military...and I'm talking about the majority of us that are serving because we love and believe in our country...then help us vote these pricks out of power. I'm not one for hyperbole, but these bastards...from the POTUS to the VP to the SECDEF to the fucking chairman of the Joint Fucking Chiefs of Fucking Staff ought to be standing fucking trial. I'm sick of what we have become.

Please give us a "government the military can be proud of"...not vice/versa.

Sorry to "curse like a Sailor".

[oscarguy]

119. Aye, aye to you Sailor. Thank for your many years of service to ...

our Nation. It is encouraging to hear from men like you who have borne and are bearing the burden of our Nation`s defense during these difficult times. I actually did rifle butt a fellow Marine who was punching an enemy POW. I made a few enemies for doing so but I believed then and believe now that the vast majority of our fighting men and women do conduct themselves honorably. Again, Thank You, ...Oscar

[coalition_unwilling]

100. "This was a very small group of people" ???

How would you know? The fact is, this type of abuse has been on-going at Abu Graib, other detention facilities in Iraq, other detention facilities in Afghanistan and at various "black sites" around the world. Abu Graib is merely the tip of the iceberg and the only reason it can still be spun as a "small group of people" is that photographic evidence has not emerged from any of the other torture sites.

Amply documented by numerous independent human rights organizations.

I will grant you that, while not a "very small group of people", the actual people committing the abuses had criminal leaders (Gonzalez, Rumsfeld, Sanchez, et. al) who, through a desire to procure information on the Iraqi resistance at any cost, justified torture.

[saigon68]

123. ITS BULLSHIT

a lot of people knew what was going on

And MOST kept their moths shut.

There are a hell of a lot of Thugs and Murderers in the military.

[llmart]

51. This is so utterly disgusting to me........

and there is NO, I repeat, NO justification for treating another human being, or even a dog, this way I don't care what some posters on here may think. Whoever you are, Mr. "I am a veteran and I know more about this than you do", you are exactly what we don't need more of in our military or in our country.

My God, what is this country coming to? That old "just a few bad apples" routine gets very old with me.

[Chomp]

55. Sky News in UK

now showing piucs, so they will explode

[Massachusetts]

56. Great (sarcasm)

More fuel for the cartoon riots!

The Bushit administration is responsible for this, its their war! We will have to clean up the mess, they'll go bird hunting!

Alas, the Middle Class gets played for the FOOL yet again.

[Radioactive]

62. Photo on the BBC website..... Is his throat slit????

Looks like the guys throat is slit.....

[no safe haven]

67. He's still alive

He "fell against a railing" and cut his throat. The man you see kneeling just behind the injured man's head stitched it up, without an anaesthetic. This was one photo in a sequence of photos, with the story of what happened to this man who was brought in for questioning.

[no safe haven]

65. Dateline screened on SBS tonight and I’ve got to tell you...

It made me sick to watch them, especially the videos. Murder, torture, humiliation, degradation.
Background to a couple of the pics featured on the Sydney Morning Herald site:

Blood on the toilet was part of a murder scene. There was another shot of the same cell showing a large pool of blood, and one of the deceased prisoners was said to have been killed there.

Re the picture of the man hanging upside down on his bunk bed. He apparently went insane in prison. He was known to the guards as the “shit” man, because he smeared himself with feces. He became a, quote, “favourite of the guards”, who apparently experimented with new interrogation techniques on him. The video showed him banging his head on the cell door – this is pic with the blood stain on the door.

Video of a row of men forced to masturbate in front of their captors.

I could go on, but that’s it for me, I’m beyond disgusted.

[rodeodance]

69. (AP) Australian TV Shows Harsh Abuse Photos

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/australia_iraq_prison_abuse;_ylt=AoshO8D74OB1SyJubN3QXjis0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--

43 minutes ago

SYDNEY, Australia - An Australian television network on Wednesday broadcast photographs and video clips it said were previously unpublished images of the alleged abuse of Iraqis held in U.S. military custody at
Abu Ghraib prison.


The images were taken at Abu Ghraib in late 2003 at about the same time as previously published photographs of Iraqi prisoner abuse, the Special Broadcasting Service's "Dateline" program reported.

The images shown by SBS were consistent with the earlier photographs, which triggered outrage at alleged abuse by U.S. soldiers, a congressional investigation and military trials for some of those involved.

No one in the images broadcast Wednesday could clearly by identified as U.S. military personnel. But men wearing combat-style uniforms and holding dogs on leashes appear in at least one of the images......

[rodeodance]

70. says much more graphic.

....Many of them were more graphic than the images published earlier, showing apparently dead bodies, injuries and sexual acts.

Among the photographs, one showed a man with a deep cut on his neck, and another of the same man surrounded by men dressed in khaki shirts and pants, with one of the men pointing at the wound.

SBS said the images were among photographs the
American Civil Liberties Union was trying to obtain from the U.S. government under a Freedom of Information request.

A U.S. district court in September upheld the request in a ruling covering scores of photographs and several videotapes. Government lawyers said it was considering an appeal, and the images were not immediately released.

[zanne]

71. BBC has them, but won't show them--

I was watching BBC World News this morning. They said they have the new pictures, but can't show them because, in the US, they're the subject of a legal case. Since Americans have access to the BBC, they won't show them. I was flabbergasted. How far away do we have to go now to get uncensored media?

[Poiuyt]

72. New Abu Ghraib torture photographs *** Warning - Graphic***

Australian TV station releases new Abu Ghraib torture photographs

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Australian_TV_station_releases_new_Abu_0215.html

[mom cat]

73. Thanks ... we need to know what is being done in our name!

[Greeby]

74. Holy Jeebus

:puke:

[ChairmanAgnostic]

75. little to say, except Kicked and recommended.

I cannot believe what has happened to our country.

[dubyaD40web]

76. Damn

[Solly Mack]

77. And never forget - The US government refused to show these pictures

all the while claiming:"The US doesn't torture"

[rodeodance]

78. (AP) Australian TV Shows Harsh Abuse Photos

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/australia_iraq_prison_abuse;_ylt=AoshO8D74OB1SyJubN3QXjis0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--


43 minutes ago

SYDNEY, Australia - An Australian television network on Wednesday broadcast photographs and video clips it said were previously unpublished images of the alleged abuse of Iraqis held in U.S. military custody at
Abu Ghraib prison.
ADVERTISEMENT

The images were taken at Abu Ghraib in late 2003 at about the same time as previously published photographs of Iraqi prisoner abuse, the Special Broadcasting Service's "Dateline" program reported.

The images shown by SBS were consistent with the earlier photographs, which triggered outrage at alleged abuse by U.S. soldiers, a congressional investigation and military trials for some of those involved.

No one in the images broadcast Wednesday could clearly by identified as U.S. military personnel. But men wearing combat-style uniforms and holding dogs on leashes appear in at least one of the images.

Many of them were more graphic than the images published earlier, showing apparently dead bodies, injuries and sexual acts.......

[rodeodance]

79. "Many of them were more graphic"

[janx]

82. Heard about this on AAR this morning...

Supposedly, there are 60 of them, yes?

[gWbush is Mabus]

80. WTF is he doing?

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/02/15/abugrahib3_gallery__470x311,0.jpg

[Solly Mack]

88. That's Graner - he's sewing up a victim

You can tell it's him from this photo.



and this is Graner and Sabrina Harmon from an earlier released photo - stitching up a victim



after the photos came out, the soldiers were identified as Charles Graner and Sabrina Harmon.

and here they are posing over a dead victim

[The Stranger]

81. The wheels of Justice turn slowly . . . .

[Nimrod2005]

83. Jesus Fucken' Christ man ---- Not in my name!!! Mother fuckers...

Not in my name...Rummy needs to be put on trial.


Jesus fuck...

[rodeodance]

84. see this DU thread also

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2109108

[rodeodance]

85. AP story says none can be identified as US soldiers

.....No one in the images broadcast Wednesday could clearly by identified as U.S. military personnel. But men wearing combat-style uniforms and holding dogs on leashes appear in at least one of the images.

[sattahipdeep]

89. Bremmer's "expertise" --Spicer n/t

[Greeby]

86. Remember, this is not the worst, according to Seymour Hersh

At a Columbia University speech given by Hersh in June 2004, author Rick Perlstein reported

said that after he broke Abu Ghraib people are coming out of the woodwork to tell him this stuff. He said he had seen all the Abu Ghraib pictures. He said, "You haven't begun to see evil..." then trailed off. He said, "horrible things done to children and women prisoners, as the cameras run." <6>

At an ACLU convention in July 2004, he further detailed information he had been given about sexual tortures in Abu Ghraib <7>. He claims that there is video footage, being held by the Bush administration, of Iraqi guards raping young boys in the prison. "The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling, and the worst part is the soundtrack, of the boys shrieking. And this is your government at war."

[endarkenment]

87. It is just your typical frat pranks.

You know, regular homoerotic sadomasochistic torture sessions like you have in any frat house.

[Roon]

90. Alleged new Abu Ghraib abuse images revealed

SYDNEY, Australia - An Australian television network on Wednesday broadcast photographs and video clips it said were previously unpublished images of the alleged abuse of Iraqis held in U.S. military custody at Abu Ghraib prison.

The images were taken at Abu Ghraib in late 2003 at about the same time as previously published photographs of Iraqi prisoner abuse, the Special Broadcasting Service's "Dateline" program reported.

The images were consistent with the earlier photographs, which triggered outrage at alleged abuse by U.S. soldiers, a congressional investigation and military trials for some of those involved.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11362767/

[Theres-a]

91. Alleged?

:mad:

[Solly Mack]

92. No shit - there's still denial it seems

forget the pictures
forget the confessions
forget the soldiers in prison
forget the Taguba report

it's still "alleged"

[closeupready]

93. The photos make me physically ill.

n/t

[Tight_rope]

95. Fucking Disgusting....I'm truly ashamed of what America has become

under this misadministration.

[saigon68]

104. Kind of makes you want to VOMIT doesn't it

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/02/15/abugrahib4_gallery__470x375,0.jpg


MORE HERE


http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Australian_TV_station_releases_new_Abu_0215.html

[Uncle Joe]

96. Kicked and recommended n/t

[lebkuchen]

98. Why is Rumsfeld still the Sec. of Defense?

[JCMach1]

99. Video of this on SKYnews today

really bad stuff...

[mike923]

102. Question

Are these photos taken recently, or are they just addition photos of events that happened a few years back?

[xdk999]

105. Torrent here:

http://ts.searching.com/torrent/535444/SBS_Dateline_Abu_Ghraib_Prisoners_CIA_Rendition_TVRip_d0x

[bixente]

107. It's very important that these photos go all over the world.

I took a few photos of the TV report here, including a VERY GRAPHIC shot of a man that looks like he was shot in the head. Cut and paste URL: (Sorry, I'm crap at posting links)
server5.pictiger.com/img/10476/picture-hosting/dateline-agp.jpg

I almost cried. The poor Iraqi people. They lived under the brutality of the Hussein government, then they get bombed and tortured in the name of freedom. :cry:

[Judi Lynn]

109. Abu Ghraib abuse photos authentic: US

Abu Ghraib abuse photos authentic: US
From: Agence France-Presse From correspondents in Washington
February 16, 2006
THE Pentagon has confirmed the authenticity of a set of photographs of prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib that were aired for the first time today by Australian television, a defence official said.

The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the pictures matched those gathered by the US military two years ago as part of its investigation into the Abu Ghraib prison scandal.
Australian public broadcaster SBS aired the images.

The graphic photos show naked inmates at the jail forced into sexually humiliating positions, handcuffed to beds and hooded.

The US defence official said only one of the photographs could not be authenticated because there were no people in it.

"The other 14 can be matched to a CID photo log and are authentic," he said. The CID is the army criminal investigation unit that probed the abuse scandal.
(snip)

The Justice Department has appealed the court ruling on the grounds that their release could inflame violence in the Muslim world.
A Pentagon spokesman raised those concerns anew today.

"The (Defence) Department believes that the further release of images could only further inflame and possibly incite unnecessary violence in the world and would endanger our military men and women that are serving in places around the world," said Bryan Whitman, a Pentagon spokesman.
(snip/...)

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,18165332-38198,00.html

[neuvocat]

111. I just don't get it.

What is the point of taking photos like this and totally implicating yourself like that? Why and how can anyone be so stupid?

[mogster]

112. I wonder why they're released now

To make Muslims more angry, perhaps?

Connect this with the neocon ties to the Danish publisher.
The last weeks have been strange over here.
First cartoons of Mohammed that inflame Muslims by doing what's not allowed.
Then a video leaks, showing Coalition soldiers kicking the hell out of Iraqi kids. One might surmise that this does not increase the Valentine feeling towards Europeans/Americans. And now a fresh set of pictures from Abu Ghraib leaks out, an elusive set of horror photography long denied us by Rumsfeld.

Why now?

[Nihil]

114. Because there is a deadline to meet - have to be at war by then.

20th March if I remember correctly.
This is when the Iranian oil trading market (bourse) is scheduled to open.
This will allow trading in Euros rather than US Dollars.

For those with a memory, this is the same "crime" that caused Iraq to
be invaded.

The ideal thing for the US government is to ignite the Islamic world and
trigger an incident - any incident - that will be used to provide the
spark for the powderkeg.

The key points to remember this time are
1) The photos are 100% true, not doctored like Powell's crap for the UN.
2) The reason for the coming war is oil & money (again).

Welcome back, my friends, to the show that never ends ...

[iconoclastNYC]

113. Entire report video available here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2462659&mesg_id=2462659

[Blue_Tires]

120. don't you fringe lefties know frat pranks when you see them?!?!

JEEZ!