Death toll from Katrina likely higher than 1,300

[dchill]

"Hundreds may never be found." Or... thousands. Who's really going to look? Anyhting to keep that death count below 9/11 or the Iraq "War"...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11281267/

NEW ORLEANS - Nearly six months after Hurricane Katrina, more than 1,300 bodies have been found, but the real death toll is clearly higher. How much higher, no one can say with any certainty.

[BenDavid]

1. From the latest reports I have

on the missing. There are 3,000 people still unaccounted for....

NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana January 19,2006 (AP) -- More than 3,200 people are officially still unaccounted for nearly five months after Hurricane Katrina hit the Gulf Coast, and the state medical examiner wants the search to resume for those missing from the most devastated neighborhoods.

[Erika]

2. Don't expect W to answer those concerns.

Nor to answer to the deaths in the Iraqi war. See www.icasualties.org

W just looks to the forward and damns anyone who wants anyone held accountable for the past.

[PSPS]

5. "Still unaccounted for" is only a subset of the known dead.

For all we know, tens of thousands may have perished. But the GOP media machine is a firmly locked iron gate between the people and reality.

[Dunvegan]

3. I've always calculated between 5,000 and 7,000 people.

Let's meet after the history books and modern anthropologists catch up and compare figures then.

They just CAN'T allow the Katrina number of casualties to ever top the casualties from 911.

No way. Not ever. No matter who they have to silence.

(Let me know if you hear of investigators and anthropologists suddenly dying under mysterious circumstances.)

[Starbucks Anarchist]

4. No kidding about revealing the casualty count.

There's no profit and no sense in waging a "War on Nature."

[Erika]

6. Katrina victims higher than the 9/11 victims?

The bushbots will tell you the Katrina victims were lazy minority good for nothings who never did a positive thing in their life and this was nothing more than a deserved ethnic cleansing. W's lack of actions showed his midadministration agreed with that analysis.

[dchill]

10. And now they are just on the run...

hiding from their creditors and committing crimes.

[MadMaddie]

34. You have pointed out an interesting point

They will never let the number of reported dead Katrina victims surpass those that were killed on 9/11.

Why?
Because admitting to that true number of Katrina dead will take the impact out of using 3000 victims killed on 9/11. That is their whole platform and they will protect that platform at all costs.

So they let their bushbots push the negative message and intentionally don't correct it that Katrina victims were all on welfare and living off of the state especially the African Americans.

Nothing new...same old tactics....:grr:

[dchill]

8. between 5,000 and 7,000....

IMPORTANT people? Probably not.

[brer cat]

39. This is not a slam at you, dchill

but it's so sad to read your comment. Of course they were important...they had a life, relationships. What a state we are in if they are deeemed inconsequential because of skin color, or what political party they supported, or how much money (or total lack thereof) in their bank accounts. God, will we EVER get rid of the bastards that LIHOP?

[MissWaverly]

23. I have thought about this

New Orleans and the Gulf States must have had a large number of illegal immigrants,
working the fields, working at the oil refineries, what about them, would they figure
in the count as well and what about the homeless that would not have shown up in the
census and what about the tourists? If a whole family was swept away, it may be months
before it is verified, especially if they were from foreign countries.

[Ecumenist]

7. NO kidding Sherlock..

Those thousands who remain missing ain't hiding...

[Tight_rope]

9. Of course it was higher...Bush and gang lied...the truth always comes out

[Briar]

25. Yes, but

it doesn't matter when it comes out. We've got used to the lie.

Look at Bliar - proved a liar and yet still he goes on.

[melody]

11. When Barry Cowsill wasn't found for 4 months, what hope do the poor have?

The extent of this isn't even being discussed.

[lovuian]

12. Ya we never saw the REAL OFFICIAL death toll

only Missing who are probably dead

Its such a travesty!!!

[zann725]

13. We'll find out exactly how much by the number of "dead" who vote in '06.

Sad, but true. They KNOW the numbers, and names of those missing...have for momths. They purposely let the corpses rot or remain abandoned to prevent DNA identification.

The Karma of this administration...

[Mnemosyne]

14. Let us hope it is an instant type of karma. Ramen! n/t

[SmokingJacket]

26. Or how many mysteriously switch party affiliation... nt

[Minstrel Boy]

15. "we don't do body counts" comes home n/t

[bettyellen]

16. a few weeks ago, one of the NO coroners asked that searches resume

because of the discrepancy between # of people missing and bodies found. this was just after they found another body in a pile of rubbish.
maybe FEMA let people use phony names so they could take them off the missing list.

[goforit]

17. I'm sure the Bush's will do anything and everything to hide the #s.

Another mass grave with Bush's signature.

[BraveDave]

18. Damn that Bush and his evil hurricanes!

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[Fovea]

24. Yeah Damn Him to Hell...

Send him to the hell of fake Soviet science, where Trofin Lysenko's naked ass gets thrown onto the frozen field to rot with his 'miracle socialist' wheat seeds.

Or maybe the hell where pure Aryan race genetics theorists are burned in ovens after routine delousing every hour.

Or maybe that hell where he gets every disease that stem cell research could cure, but he is never allowed to actually die...

But at least send him the hell of ignored NOAA scientists and rejected ACE advisors where his bloated but still aware corpse can entertain catfish.

But somehow I don't think this is what you meant.

[pitohui]

35. thanks realpolitik

good to know there is someone w. a heart and a brain out there when there are so many lacking both

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[satya]

21. NYT reported 10,000 deaths likely on 9/9/05.

The confirmed death toll in Louisiana remained at 83 on Thursday. Efforts to recover corpses are beginning, although only a handful of bodies have been recovered so far. Official estimates of the death toll in New Orleans are still vague, but 10,000 remains a common figure.

link:Police Begin Seizing Guns of Civilians

[pitohui]

36. mayor of biloxi originally reported 1,000 dead

president of st. bernard parish originally reported 1,000-plus dead

mayor of bay st. louis originally reported 100 dead

i could go on and on but i don't have the heart

we need a master list somewhere so we can say, "ok, this person i know dead is not on it, this person is not on it," and we need to be able to cross-check and get that person remembered and respected

in jefferson parish they took dozens of names off the list of the dead and then claimed they died before katrina and were being stored, we don't store dead bodies in august in jefferson parish, we freakin bury them!

i'm sure it's the same story in every parish, the cover-up continues apace

[snot]

22. Giant DU compilation of info here including re- no. of deaths:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph ...

Although organization was attempted, it is not in fact terribly organized; so when looking for info on any particular subject, best to scan the complete list of post subjects.

[Doremus]

27. Your link doesn't work. n/t

[Lars39]

29. I think he was talking about this:

I posted my bookmarks so that people could forage through them, use them. :hi:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=384816&mesg_id=384816

[Lars39]

31. Just saw another of his posts...*this* is the one he was trying to link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=106&topic_id=22805&mesg_id=22805

[snot]

41. Sorry, not sure what happened; yes, this is it:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=106&topic_id=22805

[catmandu57]

28. There were probably a large number of invisible

homeless people who will never be accounted for. They lived marginal lives and have silently slipped into oblivion, it's those people who call out to us now. Can we ever have peace knowing how we failed them?

[pitohui]

37. well that may be part of it but it's only part

we did have a homeless problem but i would be surprised if this was more than a few hundred people because many would have been in the superdome or convention center areas where they would have eventually been evacuated, homeless people do not get trapped in the attic of their homes and drown as happened to one couple i know

there is another way they keep the death toll down and this is to outright put people in different categories so they are not counted

for example, if you died during the evacuation, you are not counted -- this is why one of my friends is not counted

if you were taken off a roof or from the superdome and convention center, you are not counted -- houston has reported around 70 people who died in the houston astrodome alone, who could not recover from their dehydration and exposure, they are not counted, and houston is only one city

one of the coroners is pretty confident that 300 of the new orleans missing were in an area where they were likely washed away, at this time, they are not counted, altho i presume they will be eventually

if you died in jefferson parish, they backdated your date of death to august 28 and you are not counted, harry lee lies bald-faced and claimed 100-odd bodies were in "storage" prior to katrina, which is just crap, either that, or someone was poisoning the hell out of the old folks the day before the storm, which i think unlikely

because of the storm surge in mississippi we have no information about the hundreds or thousands who may have died there and these would be entire families, thus, no one to search, no one to file a complaint, i believe this is why death tolls were suddenly adjusted radically downward in biloxi, waveland, etc -- the entire family is gone so you can boldly claim they never existed and who will dispute you?

bay st. louis has lost 2,000 people in population, now maybe all those people are dead and living in argentina but i have my doubts, that's a nice area, lots of homeowners, even wealthy people, if you are alive to come back, seems like you would

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

30. Der.

No shit.

[RedSock]

32. children missing

what about the recent reports of 1,300 children still missing?

then the reports said 800 were missing, hoping we are idiots and didn't remember the first story.

maybe that means -- Yay they found 500 kids!! :sarcasm:

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

40. The children have relocated themselves.

:eyes: :grr:

[wishlist]

33. Agency tracking missing says no support or assistance from Federal Gov

According to Anderson Cooper's riveting program on CNN last night updating the tragic post- Katrina situation, the main private agency assigned by the Federal Govt to help keep track of and trace missing persons has alleged lack of support and assistance from the Federal Govt, hence we still do not know if the 3,000 still reported missing are dead or alive yet.

His program last night was a total indictment of the Bush Administration/Fema's incompetency and failure in accounting for the missing and deceased as well as in assisting the survivors who lost their homes in overcoming their losses and obtaining housing.

[pitohui]

38. i saw a motto today, "anderson cooper for mayor"

his efforts are appreciated and he is an honorary citizen of the city as far as many are concerned