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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 09:09 PM
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DeLay Seeks Testimony of Grand Jurors - AP
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AUSTIN (AP) -- Rep. Tom DeLay's attorneys filed a subpoena Thursday seeking the testimony of grand jurors, including those who indicted the former House majority leader and those who rejected charges.

DeLay's legal team wants to prove prosecutorial misconduct by District Attorney Ronnie Earle, who they say "shopped around" the campaign finance case against DeLay to three different grand juries before finding one that would indict DeLay on money laundering and conspiracy charges.

State law prohibits prosecutors from attending grand jury deliberations, but the defense alleges that Earle unlawfully participated in the second grand jury's deliberations and tried to force those grand jurors to indict DeLay. Earle denies the allegations.

Grand jury testimony is secret and Earle does not have to release transcripts unless he's ordered to by a court, so the defense has asked Senior Judge Pat Priest to allow the grand jurors to testify.

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Link: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/D/DELAY_INDICTMENT?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=customwire.htm

Looks like 'ole Tom is "shopping around" too!

Man... you can almost smell the desperation from here, no???

:rofl::spank::rofl:
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oregonindy Donating Member (790 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 09:16 PM
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1. any legal eagles that can tell us if this can derail the case?
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 09:22 PM
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2. he has no chance of winning the case so he is trying to nullify it
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 09:38 PM
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3. Tom's smile is starting to have that constipated look.

Perhaps a good dump would help 'eh?
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 09:41 PM
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4. LOL !!!
:hurts:
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 09:41 PM
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5. attacking the attackers ?
the time-honoured strategy of the scoundrel. he's soooo screwed.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 09:43 PM
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6. I don't think they can be compelled, then again this is Texas...
Edited on Thu Dec-15-05 09:45 PM by Historic NY
and its not a typical grand jury system. I found this in Texas Codes: its says may testify.

http://www.courts.state.tx.us/publicinfo/TRE/tre-98.htm

RULE 606. COMPETENCY OF JUROR AS A WITNESS

(a) At the Trial. A member of the jury may not testify as a witness before that jury in the trial of the case in which the juror is sitting as a juror. If the juror is called so to testify, the opposing party shall be afforded an opportunity to object out of the presence of the jury.

(b) Inquiry Into Validity of Verdict or Indictment. Upon an inquiry into the validity of a verdict or indictment, a juror may not testify as to any matter or statement occurring during the jury's deliberations, or on any juror's mind or emotions or mental processes, as influencing any juror's assent to or dissent from the verdict or indictment. Nor may a juror's affidavit or any statement by a juror concerning any matter about which the juror would be precluded from testifying be admitted in evidence for any of these purposes. However, a juror may testify: (1) whether any outside influence was improperly brought to bear upon any juror; or (2) to rebut a claim that the juror was not qualified to serve.
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salib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 10:27 PM
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7. However, that is not the claim
At least how I read this, the defense is wanting to obtain testimony based upon the idea that the prosecution "shopped around" for a sympathetic jury. That is NOT "outside influence", nor is it a "claim that the juror was not qualified to serve." I do not believe that have anything solid. I think it is smoke an mirrors.
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salib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 10:30 PM
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8. Maybe to add even more
The obvious requirement is that the juror is defending either his/her independence or qualifications. Perhaps some juror will come forward with that issue, but I believe that would be necessary. I do not see anything that says they can be "compelled."
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 11:01 PM
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9. why? So he can go through it and figure out some elaborate lies to
cover his criminal ass.
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 11:03 PM
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10. So, he can't win at trial so he's going to try to kill the indictment?
Poleez.
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 11:14 PM
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11. It's a form of intimidation, too.
Grand juries are supposed to be kept as confidential as possible. One of the things DeLay is looking for is a chance to reach out and touch the jurors themselves, perhaps in the long-shot hope that a future grand jury will be intimidated, perhaps because by leaning on them and their families he hopes some will testify in his favor, perhaps just because he is a vengeful and vindictive person by nature.

That list of jurors will get out to the right people. There will be calls in the night... threats. This is DeLay's way.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 11:21 PM
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12. I've always had deep suspicions about Cliff Baxter's death
and with DeLay living so close in Sugarland
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 08:26 PM
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19. That's it! Baxter!
I have been trying to remember his name for a few days now! I, too, have always been suspicious of his death! Will we ever TRULY know?

Jenn
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Mike_The_Computer Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:13 AM
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13. DeLay's lawyer should just go ahead and subpoena everyone to testify.
Bring ALL of us in, all eleventy-billion of us, to testify. Hiding somewhere in this teeming mass of humanity lurks just the right lie, the perfect evasion, the cloudiest obfuscation that will set this gangster swine free of all charges, once and for all, forever.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 09:53 AM
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14. kick
:kick:
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 10:05 AM
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15. Earle is not on trial here and neither are the Jurors
Somehow Delay and his crack team need to be reminded who is on trial.
At least dubby loves him. eh, eh
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joeunderdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:58 PM
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17. The OJ defense was to put the legal system on trial.
Edited on Fri Dec-16-05 01:29 PM by joeunderdog
If they allow attorneys to do that again, they might as well close down shop.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 10:21 AM
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16. Delay should surrender
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 03:55 PM
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18. Oh, it sounds like they
just called up the ghost of Luka Bratzzi from the Godfather to clean things up.....:scared:
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