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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 03:37 PM
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Ex-Enron chief Lay blasts prosecutors, Fastow
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=domesticNews&storyid=2005-12-13T200918Z_01_DIT372495_RTRUKOC_0_US-ENRON-LAY.xml&rpc=22

Former Enron Corp. Chairman Ken Lay on Tuesday said he was the victim of a "wave of terror" by prosecutors and blamed his former chief financial officer for the energy company's spectacular downfall.

In a preview of his defense at his criminal trial next month, Lay, in a speech to a Houston group, said he was only to blame for trusting Andrew Fastow, Enron's CFO, who has pleaded guilty to charges and will be the government's key witness against Lay and co-defendants.

"We did trust Andy Fastow, and sadly, tragically, that trust turned out to be misplaced," Lay said.

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Lay also took aim at the Department of Justice's Enron Task Force, which he said launched a special investigation against him even before there was evidence of any crimes.

"In this trial, apparently unlike most criminal defense cases, defendants are trying to get the truth in, and the prosecutors, the Enron Task Force, are trying to keep it out," he said.

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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 03:39 PM
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1. Ah, Republicans - The Party of Personal Responsibility
:eyes:
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 03:39 PM
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2. Time to drag out my "Execute Ken Lay" t-shirt
I got lots of compliments on that when Enron collapsed. :D
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 03:46 PM
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5. An admirable fashion statement!
People will probably envy you for your shirt during the Lay trial.

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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 08:07 PM
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52. Better yet, wear it during his trial while sitting on his jury!
I'd bet that would cause him to have a few nervous ticks and twitches. ;)
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 03:44 PM
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3. I love his defense
It consists of his being occupied with picking out new drapes and carpeting for the executive suite and completely in the dark as to what those evil men, Skilling and Fastow, were really up to.

Of course, one wonders why a mere interior decorator would be paid tens of millions of dollars for his effort, so I'm not sure a jury will buy that one.
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 11:15 AM
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45. He is responsible because he hired them.
He knew what was going on. He froze the employees from selling their stock while he sold his. That kept his stock value up until he could sell it all.

His wealth should be liquidated and distributed to the retirement accounts he distroyed.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 03:44 PM
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4. Why isn't he in prison?
That's where he belongs.
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:08 PM
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10. My thought exactly.
WTF does he have to say about ANYTHING ? He's had 5 years out of prison that he abso-fucking-lutely has not deserved. :mad:
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raysr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 02:58 AM
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38. Bush is why. He's got shit on *.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 03:05 PM
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49. Shut up Kennyboy...you should be locked up NOT giving speeches
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 03:48 PM
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6. Kenny Boy...here's my response...
BOO FUCKING HOO!!!
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Caution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 03:55 PM
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7. ahh the calling card of the right wing asshole. the word "terror"
it's so pathetic that they can't even speak about financial malfeasance without bringing it up.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 06:09 PM
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23. I am waiting for him to blame it on 9/11. n/t
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:59 PM
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28. Poor Persecuted Republican
awwwwwwwwwwww... Remember Grandma Milly?
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DrZeeLit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 08:01 PM
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51. Or Clinton. The fall-back position. #1 - 9/11 and #2 - Clinton
I sorta like this new spin... takes in a multitude of possibilities... "terror".... puts him on the Right Side in "the war"...whatever war that is.

I wonder how much he's paying for the acting lessons?
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:07 PM
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8. This case should be assigned to Fitz. eom
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:47 PM
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17. yes. As a CT resident, I want to know: where did our $220M go?
The head of CT's trash agency, CRRA, during the reign of John the Con Rowland, gave Enron $220 million in an illegal loan. Enron went belly up and somehow the taxpayers' money just disappeared.

Where's the dough, Kenny Boy? I can't wait to see you in jail, you sleazy thief.
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:46 PM
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30. You must understand
Lay pulled his money out of the company before it actually became bellyup. He got at the very least, $55 million out of it. And yet, I recall his bitch whore of a wife complaining that they were broke.
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wordpix2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 10:57 AM
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41. I guess Con Rowland & Friends got the rest
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:08 PM
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9. How were they able to investigate, charge, try
convict, sentence, imprison and releas Martha Stewart and they can't even bring this piece of shit to trial? Quit yer friggen whining kenny boy. You are fortunate you aren't somebody's bitch by now.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:49 PM
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31. Not to mention the endless investigations of Clenis even when they found
NOTHING - by 2 REPUKE prosecutors until they settled on that star criminal.
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pushycat Donating Member (401 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:10 PM
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11. Victims of Ken Lay's edict to lock down pension plans while
Enron imploded may be less inclined to extend any sympathy to this financial psychopath. Let's hope he gets convicted of every crime he's charged with.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:16 PM
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12. The Proverbial Innocent Bystander, that's old Kenny. A victim of life's
circumstance.
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:21 PM
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13. Asshole
Him and Skilling need to be horse-whipped.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:23 PM
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14. The Bush Defense with a twist.
The buck stopped at Ken Lay's desk before being transferred into his bank account.
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silvermachine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 10:58 AM
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42. My thoughts exactly...
...he was acting on bad intelligence, wasn't his fault, etc.
To be fair though, Bush WAS acting on bad intelligence. His own brain.
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:35 PM
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15. I'm wondering what a CEO is responsible for anyway?
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hankthecrank Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:48 PM
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18. Ceo responsible for making 500 times more than guys on shop floor
Edited on Tue Dec-13-05 04:49 PM by hankthecrank
Other duties

Outsource guys on shop floor jobs

First get guys to take wage cut to keep jobs

Merge company with another company fire most workers get bonus, then outsource the rest of the jobs.

In Lays case tell workers to keep getting company stock because company is doing great while Lay sells his right before company tanks.



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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 06:14 PM
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24. If I remember correctly, it's also
to artificially jack up the prices of energy to California creating a financial crisis.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:51 PM
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32. And Nevada. We were caught in his criminality, too.
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:43 PM
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16. Kenny Boy, you are the identical twin of *
He too has a problem with excepting blame and taking responsibility for his actions.

You were the one responsible for talking up the Enron stock, even though you were privately selling/dumping yours.

Then you "Terrorized" your employees by stealing their retirement/pension benefits. After all the years you forced them into a loyalty (to Enron) above all else mentality and then you prove how disloyal you are to them.
Now you want them to come to your defense. :eyes:

HA HA, Not gonna happen.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:51 PM
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19. "We did trust Andy Fastow..." Yeah, trusted him to save your ass from the
slammer.

"We did trust Andy Fastow, and sadly, tragically, that trust turned out to be misplaced," Lay said.
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 05:16 PM
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20. You're all a bunch of meanies
Why should the guy who founded the company have any idea that it was hundreds of billions of dollars in debt? I mean, does the chairman have access to the books? Huh? Oh, he does? Nevermind.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 05:19 PM
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21. Not Responsible? What was he getting paid for then?
Should give back the salary, and bonuses he received for doing nothing.

Then he should go to jail for impersonating a CEO.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 05:28 PM
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22. just like the rest, kenny asshole lay yells, "it's not my fault"...
Hey kenny, eat shit and like it, because you are having to live that way now because you are a fucking shill of asshole* and he left you swinging in the wind. Doesn't feel good now does it?

So take your bullshit and ask the people that you totally fucked over in your company if they don't think it's your fault.

what a faceless scumsucking lying sack of shit.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 06:16 PM
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25. Is he in jail yet? If not, why not?
:grr:
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 07:10 PM
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26. Ken Lay is very much responsible for what happened
at Enron.

Ken Lay was actually the founder of this company. Lay had a Ph.D. in economics, and he decided to start an energy company. I think it was a small start-up in Kansas City.

Over the years, Lay found out what REALLY works if you want to "grow" your company. He started buying congressmen and senators. He got REAL cozy with Bush the Elder, and of course Bush the Junior who called him "Kenny Boy". They were cronies.

Over the years, the corruption just got worse and worse. But it was a merry go round that didn't seem to ever come to an end. So they just got more outrageous... soon they had elephants in the dining room, motorcycles in the lobby. They had entire trading rooms which were completely bogus, just to fool investors.

So don't believe Ken Lay when he tells you he didn't know. He's the original Godfather.



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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:58 PM
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34. You mean to tell me that Kenneth Lay was running a sting
operation? Why that's almost extortion! And a shake down racket by his own minion? (California)

Tis getting to the point where a guy can't trust anyone any more, 'eh?
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 07:41 PM
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50. Let's not forget the minimum corporate tax rebate either
The morphing of Houston Natural Gas and other entities into Enron occurred in 1986. What many forget is that, when hitting the wall in 2001, Lay pushed mightily for a rebate in the corporate minimum taxes, which CONVENIENTLY would have been specifically for the last 15 years. Tidy, huh? Um...let's see: carry the one, minus six...huh.

This would have given him a whole heap of money (a tad north of $250M, if memory serves) to keep afloat the ship he didn't know was sinking. In fact, he was continually hammering on Paul O'Neill on this very point. Think of him as America's Chalabi. May he fry.
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:51 PM
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27. If Lay pulled his con in China, his corneas would be on someone else...
by now.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:12 PM
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29. Kenny Boy's father
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:54 PM
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33. If anyone gets the chance
I suggest you rent or buy Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room. It gives a total timeline on everything that happened with the company, as well as comments from some former executives and such. One woman, who was either the General Counsel or an Asst. GC, was the whistle blower for the company, and she has had several death threats.

The documentary is based on a reporter's book--I only recall her first name as Bethany, but she also appears in the documentary. She is the first one to notice something screwy about the way Enron was doing business.

As for Californians who see the movie, be forewarned--the "energy crisis" during 2000 was completely and totally manipulated by Enron "brokers", and there are scenes you can listen to in the film where those assholes are enjoying themselves watching California squirm through that horrendous heat we had that summer.
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wordpix2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 11:00 AM
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43. where can you get this documentary?
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 11:09 AM
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44. I saw it in a small independent theatre. n/t
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 11:21 AM
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46. It will be out on DVD mid January.
I saw it at a college film society night. I definitely plan to get a copy for myself!

You might check Amazon to get the actual date of release.
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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:59 PM
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35. another prime example
of the "I'm just a STUPID good ol boy syndrome" who somehow made it to be CEO of a company, dunno how, but there I was jerking off to the ideas of the interior decorator and whammo I get "sadly, tragically" accused of this.
I never knew, I didn't have a clue! FUCK YOU!!

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banana republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 01:11 AM
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36. PARDON ME
but will * pardon lay?????

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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 02:24 AM
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37. The difference between criminal and corporate executives?
The amount of money they steal and the quality of their legal representation.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 08:29 AM
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39. Ahhh...it's those 'terrorist prosecutors'! Run everyone! Before they get
you too! Poor Widdo KennyBoy
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ecoalex Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 10:55 AM
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40. And the Western electricity fraud was just a bad dream?
yer peeing on our shoes again kenny boy. C'mon kenny boy, your kind need prosecuted, it's good to watch a-holes like you go down.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 02:14 PM
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47. A victim of a wave of terror.
Oh, puh-lease, Ken. There are hundreds of thousands of people all over the world who have truly been victims of terror and I'm sure they would be glad to trade places with you. You are simply being confronted with the consequences of your own actions or lack of actions. Stop being such a drama queen.
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Dogfur Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 02:54 PM
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48. I'd be willing to let Kenny-boy walk with immunity
if he'd turn states evidence against Cheney and the secret meetings that were the "strategy" sessions for the widespread fraud, and probably to some part the Iraq invasion as well. I do think he'll walk regardless - so why not get some ammo from him while the theater is in session?
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 10:35 PM
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53. I MIGHT be willing if he talks about his part in the planning of the
invasion of Afghanistan...including 9-11. After all...it was Kenny Boy's ass on the line with the failure of his energy plant in India, he so deperately needed the trans-Afghan pipeline for. Unka Dick said he'd help him out...and, lo and behold, we're invading Afghanistan and getting said pipeline. The Lord works in mysterious ways!
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 11:14 PM
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54. AWWWWWWWW Whatsa matter Keeny Boy?
Can't G DUHbya bail you out?

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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 03:05 PM
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55. Lay prosecutors ask for gag order in light of speech
http://www.statesman.com/news/content/gen/ap/TX_Enron_Lay_and_Skilling.html

Prosecutors have asked a federal judge to muzzle out-of-court statements related to the fraud and conspiracy case against Enron Corp. founder Kenneth Lay and former CEO Jeffrey Skilling in light of Lay's public speech Tuesday lambasting government tactics in pursuing him.

U.S. District Judge Sim Lake may consider the issue at a hearing Friday afternoon that was scheduled before Lay presented his speech to Houston business and academic leaders. Lay, Skilling and former top Enron accountant Richard Causey will go on trial Jan. 17.


In Tuesday's speech Lay issued a plea for former Enron employees to defy a "wave of terror" by federal prosecutors and help him fight criminal charges. In court papers filed Thursday, prosecutors said Lay "made public statements regarding the credibility and testimony of potential witnesses in this case and commented on the motivation of the government in prosecuting him," and that a gag order "is now appropriate."

Lay accused the government of bullying critical witnesses so they wouldn't talk to the defense teams for fear of being indicted or getting harsh prison sentences if they had already pleaded guilty to Enron-related crimes.

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