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PhilipShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 05:13 AM
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Sun-Sentinel: Witness claims he heard hit plan in Boulis murder
Sun-Sentinel
November 26 2005
By Sean Gardiner and Jon Burstein

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/broward/sfl-cgus26nov26,0,2707933.story?coll=sfla-news-broward

Details emerge in case against trio charged with '01 Boulis murder

Kidan hasn't been named as a suspect in the Boulis murder. But he and one of his partners, powerful Washington, D.C. lobbyist Jack Abramoff, are under indictment for fraudulently obtaining a loan connected with the sale of the business.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 06:31 AM
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1. They'd better keep that guy........
in a freaking bunker with a battalion of soldiers guarding him until he testifies. The Pigs have already shown that they'll kill because of their greed. I'd be one scared mo-fo if I were he, but I'd also do the same thing he (or she) is doing. Sooner or later these people have to be held accountable for their crimes.
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 07:22 AM
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4. Truth. That guy's in a lot of danger.
Not only is the mob gonna want a piece of his hide for snitching, but the entire Republican Party knows that if prosecutors keep pulling on that thread, it's going to unravel all the way through Kidan to Abramoff, to the stolen Florida election, to the 9/11 terrorists, through Tom Delay and Karl Rove to the President's personal meetings with Abramoff in the White House.

If someone got a blow job along the way, someone could be in a lot of trouble.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 08:40 AM
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8. rofl
...someone could be in a lot of trouble.

:rofl:

The understatement kills me.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 09:21 AM
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10. you left out James Dobson
Ralph Reed and Gail Norton and Grover Norquist. Oh yes, the threads holding that rotten cloth are about to pulled and then oh then, tra la tra la, what a day.
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mia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 10:29 AM
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14. TOP 10 THINGS YOU NEVER KNEW ABOUT JACK ABRAMOFF
...if prosecutors keep pulling on that thread,it's going to unravel all the way through Kidan to Abramoff, to the stolen Florida election, to the 9/11 terrorists, through Tom Delay and Karl Rove to the President's personal meetings with Abramoff in the White House.

This all reads more like a novel and I'm reminding myself that "correlation does not equal causation", but a lot of unlikely links are starting to ring true.



TOP 10 THINGS YOU NEVER KNEW ABOUT JACK ABRAMOFF

The MadCowMorningNews
by Daniel Hopsicker

...the same so-called "war cabal" being accused of selling a "bill of goods" to justify the war in Iraq also led earlier efforts to convince the American people of the necessity of going to war, in support of the Contras in the mid-1980's, and before the Gulf War under the first President Bush, and funded through the same methods and sources being investigated in the Abramoff scandals today.

...This may explain why, while legal imbroglios consume Karl Rove, Scooter Libby, Dick Cheney, Bill Frist, David Safavian, chief of staff at the General Services Administration, and pest-exterminator- turned-‘Hammer’ Tom DeLay, according to published reports it’s Abramoff Republican strategists are most worried about.


10. ABRAMOFF’S INVOLVED IN SIX CURRENT SCANDALS

9. ABRAMOFF LINKED TO WHITE HOUSE SPY SCANDAL.

8. FIGURE INVOLVED IN ENTERPRISE’S ‘OPENING’ TO CUBA USED ‘BILL OF GOODS’ TO SELL FIRST IRAQ WAR

7.ABRAMOFF INDICTMENT FOR BOULIS MURDER LIKELY

6. ABRAMOFF’S SCANDAL PARTNERS INCLUDE BUSH PIONEERS, THE MOB, U.S. DEFENSE CONTRACTORS, AND "PROFESSIONAL CHRISTIANS"

5.SAFAVIAN INDICTMENT NOT ABOUT HEBREW SCHOOL

4. GUAM PROBE INTO FEMA RIP-OFFS OBSTRUCTED BY OVAL OFFICE

3. CASINO JACK PART OF OLLIE NORTH’S “ENTERPRISE.”

2. ‘ALL OUR SCANDALS ARE THE SAME.”

1. NOTHING IS WHAT IT SEEMS.

What does a scandal involving Indian casinos, gambling boat “cruises to nowhere” & pay-for-play government officials have to do with the story of 19 hijackers planning a mass murder in supposed isolation in Florida?

Far from being a rogue lobbyist who went just a few tens of millions of dollars too far, Jack Abramoff is an operative for an organization which has sold Americans a bill of goods as justification in at least three recent wars.


http://www.madcowprod.com/10272005.html

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TheGunslinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 06:42 AM
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2. Good to hear he's still alive. This article from 2 mos. left doubt
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 07:08 AM
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3. According to an earlier story
Kidan and Abramoff cut a $200,000 check on their company account to Moscatiello and his chums right about the time of the murder for "catering."

Both Ney and Delay put pressure on Boulis to sell SunCruz in the first place.

http://www.beyonddelay.org/summaries/ney.php
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 08:11 AM
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5. good site
and good info, thanks for the link!
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 08:54 AM
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9. Remember, this is just ONE
Edited on Sat Nov-26-05 08:54 AM by MrBenchley
of several Delay-Ney-GOP-Abramoff scandals...although so far it's the only one with a murder at the centerpiece.
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mia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 09:52 AM
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12. Scandals Take Toll On Bush's 2nd Term
The GOP has a lot to worry about with Abamoff. The Gus Boulis murder
connection is likely to last well beyond the 2006 election cycle.



Beyond the short-term problems, Republicans are particularly anxious about the sprawling investigations of conservative lobbyist Jack Abramoff, whose business and political dealings regularly brought him into contact with dozens of lawmakers and top White House officials. Among insiders, he was one of the most familiar faces among the generation of operatives and lobbyists who came of age when Republicans took control of Congress after the 1994 elections.

"The one that people are most worried about is Abramoff because it seems to have such long tentacles," said former congressman Vin Weber (R-Minn.), a lobbyist with close ties to the White House. "This seems to be something that could spread almost anywhere . . . and that has a lot of people worried."

The Abramoff scandal has already resulted in two unanticipated casualties: David H. Safavian, a former Rove business partner serving as the top White House procurement official, recently resigned and was arrested on charges that he lied about and impeded an investigation into his dealings with Abramoff. And Timothy E. Flanigan, Bush's nominee for deputy attorney general, the number two job at the Justice Department, withdrew last week after questions were raised about his interactions with the lobbyist.

"The Abramoff thing is a lingering nuisance to everybody," said GOP lobbyist Charles Black. "I don't know who else might be caught up in it."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/13/AR2005101301955.html


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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 09:56 AM
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13. It's gonna get MUCH bigger...
and it's going to link up with stuff like Coingate in Ohio...
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La_Fourmi_Rouge Donating Member (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 11:29 AM
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15. "Lingering nuisance"?
Geez, what an understatement! I am watching this one closely,along with the Fitgerald investigation AND the AIPAC investigation AND I am waiting for Sibel Edmonds to testify before Congress.
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mia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 08:11 AM
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6. Hammer to the Slammer: Cruisegate: Curtains for GOPMOB?
Edited on Sat Nov-26-05 08:16 AM by mia
More on "Cruisegate":

Lot's of interesting reading here. Not sure how reliable the site is, but information contained in earlier articles at "Mad Cow" is now being reported in the Sun-Sentinal.

http://www.madcowprod.com/09302005.html
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 09:23 AM
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11. Madcow: worth paying attention to
www.madcowprod.com

Casino Jack & the Republican Thuggees

"I don't think we have had something of this scope, arrogance and sheer venality in our lifetimes," wrote Norman Ornstein of the conservative American Enterprise Institute. "It is building to an explosion, one that could create immense collateral damage within Congress and in coming elections."


*World Exclusive*
Nov 16,2005
by Daniel Hopsicker

As three men—Anthony ‘Big Tony’ Moscatiello, Anthony ‘Little Tony’ Ferrari, and James ‘Pudgy Fiorillo— pled not guilty in court this week, the MadCowMorningNews has discovered new details in the investigation into the 4-year old slaying of SunCruz casino ship owner Gus Boulis.

A company which received over $100,000 in suspicious payments before the murder from Adam Kidan, we have learned, is owned by the family of long-time U.S. Senator from Florida Claude Pepper, now deceased, whose ties to illegal gambling there go back to the 1920’s.

It is a startling twist to the case, seeming to indicate, at a minimum, that the surface perturbation in Florida’s gambling world reflected in Boulis’ murder are the result of deeper tectonic shifts which the Evening News is reluctant to acknowledge or explain.

“Even as White House aides Karl Rove and Scooter Libby dominated the headlines,” read a typical analysis last week, “according to many observers Jack Abramoff remains the Republican Party's most dangerous problem.”

Here’s why: Kidan wrote a check for the hit.

..lots more..
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 03:51 PM
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19. Hopsicker has been a STAR investigator for many years....
and he's pretty neutral in his political finger-pointing. He's equally as ready to point fingers at crooked Dems as he is at crooked repukes; he just has so much more to investigate when it comes to repukes, because of their endless ties to the mob, and to overall sleeziness in every area they touch.

During his stellar investigations concerning Mena, Arkansas and the CIA drug running, he showed the "good guys" as much favor as he showed disfavor to the bad guys....regardless of political party affiliation.

:loveya: In fact, I think I'm in love with the guy.

Don't tell my husband, mmkay?

:kick::kick::kick:
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PhilipShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 08:31 AM
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7. Probably no connection
Probably no connection, but right around the time when the owner of a bar in Miami-- was able to repurchase a bar in Miami--that he had sold--he was now all the sudden at exactly right around the time of 1973-- able to buy back his bars etc., at the same time falsified court documents-- listed me-- as suing someone worth a ton of money in Miami.

Moreover, they are the same clowns--listed in this article.

------Farewell, My Lovely 1800 http://www.miaminewtimes.com/issues/2002-01-17/news/metro.html

He also had ties to the same people connected-- with the ownership of the bar-- whom were named on the falsified court records, (prepared by Real Estate attorneys) which I found recently from a Miami Attorney (and top Republican supporter lawyer) whom told me he could not give, me a copy of the records, in which I was seeking information about-- because they were destroyed.

Then when I went to the Florida bar they found the destroyed records and sent me a copy, and it lists the same names of people on the article below. (See Miami time’s article)

(Something else is strange I was dirt poor and all the sudden-- he and other characters in the article below—are inviting me to their beach House in Jupiter Florida —treating me as if I was some sort of King, at exactly that time 1973 when the falsified documents were signed ).

The documents claimed that I by my actual name was suing someone else worth a ton of money, that made their money from when they lived in Rhode Island-- but I could not of sued them because I was not even old enough to vote, and I had no idea--that they even hired—someone to be my lawyer—whom I guess with just a “good cigar and a wink.” overlooked the what they claim is harmless error.

In addition, what is strange soon after the money was misappropriated to this day to unknown accounts-I all the sudden became and unwanted guest never welcome in their clubs of luxury again.

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/issues/2002-01-17/news/metro.html

Metro
Farewell, My Lovely 1800
Published: Thursday, January 17, 2002

Miami in 1955 was a young town full of gin joints, aging mobsters, scruffy fishermen, Southern gentility, a swinging Harlem South in Overtown, and a little pre-Castro Cuban flavor. It was a good time for many. Land was cheap, dreams were big, and most zoning problems were fixed with a good cigar and a wink.

In roughly 46 years of operation, the 1800 attracted an eclectic group. Billy Ader, who largely ran the 1800 Club with his wife, JoAnne, through the Eighties and early Nineties, claims Sen. John F. Kennedy, Paul Newman, Frank Zappa, and Arkansas Gov. Bill Clinton all passed through the doors at one time or another. Singer Jimmy Buffett was a regular during the early years of the Miami Heat, along with former Heat coaches Ron Rothstein and Kevin Loughery and Miami Herald stalwarts such as Carl Hiaasen, Robert Steinback, and many others.

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PhilipShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 12:08 PM
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16. Man am I streaming....
Edited on Sat Nov-26-05 12:19 PM by PhilipShore
after reading that article in which it says that the culture in Miami was that “most zoning problems were fixed with a good cigar and a wink.” not in court but a bar.

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/issues/2002-01-17/news/metro.html

I hope the Feds puts them all behind bars.

I looked years later at the accounting records--and see fat lawyers—and Real estate types-- fixing the system-- breaking the rule of law with those idiotic grins, and calling it Miami culture.

That same culture winking-- as the money they steal—went to that filthy bar called the 1800 Club.

I was literally starving my way thru college-- while those bastards-- were down their with some of my money “fixing problems with zoning laws with a good cigar and a wink” as well as other court laws, and rules.

Like not just my probem did they fix-- but the 2000 election as well. What sleaze.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 12:30 PM
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17. my family is native to south florida and were 'jetset' coconut grovers
in the 30s. grandfather was an alderman in boca during prohibition. according to the elders, back then, EVERYTHING important was decided with rum and cigars. period.

they got on the wrong side of bidness and left miami for clearwater beach in the 40s and got involved with the Ekerds, and again on the wrong side of a bad deal, wound up in Panama City Beach in the 50s. the direction of downhill was north in those days.

florida has never played by the rules. it's where people go when they don't have any other option. drugs, alcohol, sex, murder -- ah, the sunshine state.
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PhilipShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 01:24 PM
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18. Mine were from Rhode Island and owned supermarkets throughout New England
Edited on Sat Nov-26-05 01:25 PM by PhilipShore
My family came over from Russia around 1905. Then they started supermarkets that chained out throughout Rhode Island, and Connecticut. Then most of the family retired to Miami Beach, Florida and purchased Real Estate in Florida, with a prominent Real Estate attorney Henry Williams.

The whole entire business-- Real Estate and supermakets-- all was sold behind doors without notifying all those that had ownership interests of the supermarkets or Real Estate.

For example, my share was 1/5 of both the supermarkets and the Real Estate, and I received nothing, because they had secret proceedings in Miami, probably at the 1800 Club.

The accounting I read years later was unaudited --or something like that it said.
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