Bills would identify sex offenders by auto plates - Pink Tags...

[rucky]

Bills would identify sex offenders by auto plates
Pink tags on cars for five years after prison release
By Shaheen Samavati

Dayton Daily News

COLUMBUS | Two state lawmakers are pushing legislation that would require Ohio's most serious sex offenders to have pink identifying license plates for at least five years after their release from prison.

"A distinctive license plate would warn parents and children of the potential threat posed by sexual offenders," said Sen. Kevin Coughlin, R-Cuyahoga Falls.

Legislation by Rep. Michael DeBose, D-Cleveland, to require the license plates has stalled in a House committee. On Wednesday, Coughlin introduced an identical, companion bill in the Senate, which could give the issue a second chance. DeBose said pink was chosen because it stands out and is not easily camouflaged, though color isn't important.

The legislation would make it mandatory for courts to order the most serious sexual offenders, such as habitual child molesters, to use the license plates for a minimum of five years after their release from prison.

more: http://www.daytondailynews.com/localnews/content/localnews/daily/1117pinkplates.html
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Way to propogate the myth that gays are child molestors / molestors are gay... and this bill is a bipartisan effort. Now who's going to be courageous enough to stand up for this Reich-like treatment sex offenders?! First they came for...

Sadly in Ohio,
Rucky

[bullimiami]

1. pink? really that is very twisted.

[Tight_rope]

52. LOL...That's what I was thinking...

I think horizonal black and white stripes or the color orange would be more fitting.

[foreigncorrespondent]

57. Well when you think about it...

...the nazi's used pink triangles used during WWII to identify queer folk. And repukes are obsessed with gays.

[Coventina]

2. Why are these guys so obsessed with pink?

Just the other day we had the thread with people convicted of DUIs having to drive with pink plates.

How are we going to tell the drunks from the sex offenders?

Aside from all the civil liberties issues, how sick is it to have a color most people associate with childhood, now associated with sex offenders?

[rucky]

3. I think the sheriff of Maricopa County (AZ) started this whole pink craze.

he makes his chain-gang workers wear pink jumpsuits. he's kinda famous for his creative sadism.

Or, as E! News would put it: Pink is the new black.

[lumpy]

34. Come on, it was Paris Hilton

who started the pink craze.

[KansDem]

39. I thought it was some panther?

[zanne]

53. Using shame as a punishment.

It's not enough to incarcerate people or make them break rocks. He wants to humiliate them, too. It smacks of religious fundamentalism.

[MindPilot]

6. If the plates for pedophiles and drunks are both pink.

how can you tell if the car belongs to a priest or a Bush?

[mopinko]

17. the mobster mayor of cicero, betty loren maltese

wanted gangbangers doing community service, scrubbing off grafitti, to wear pink aprons and gloves.

[mtnester]

22. In Ohio already, if you are convicted of a DUI, you get bright yellowish

orange plates with red letters, on all vehicles registered to your address or that you could drive, including the one that belongs to your spouse/partner/brother/sister/father/mother/etc

[snooper2]

41. Is this for the length of the probation, sentence..

Or forever>?

[mtnester]

49. Length of sentence and probation

not forever (yet)

[sarcasmo]

61. That is just WRONG guilty by association.

[mtnester]

65. I agree n/t

[williesgirl]

76. This is crazy - so a family member commits a crime, and every

member of that family is marked for how long? This needs to be challenged in the courts! Sounds like neocons on the loose to me.

[mtnester]

96. It has been like that for YEARS here

And yes, I agree it is wrong, however, since it has been on the books for many years, I am sure it already has been challenged, but I do not know that for sure.

I thought at one time Ohio was going to move to the on-car breathalyzer for those who had been convicted, rather than pain the entire household with a Scarlet A..i.e. all cars in the household have it installed by court order, and everyone would have to blow into it in order for the car to start. However, it still punishes the rest of the family, and adds an expense that the other family members should not have to incur. Sounds only slightly better than neon style vehicle plates for everyone.

[SOS]

99. Brilliant...

So the probationer borrows or rents a car while his mother drives a car with orange plates.
That'll really cut down the crime rate in Ohio.

[havocmom]

4. And this punishes any unconvicted family member or friend

who may be in the car from time to time.

Gee, why not just dye the guilty party's face to assure they remain highly visible even on busses? Or, we could make them wear a big of red S.O. on their chests. :eyes:

[rucky]

5. Careful, Ohio legislators might be reading...

and take your suggestion to the floor next week.

[mike6640]

8. forehead branding! n/t

[LoZoccolo]

9. If someone proposed that it would have to go through.

No one wants to look like they're protecting sex offenders so they'd all vote for it. I've maintained before that sex offender registries don't contain anything that isn't public information anyways, but at the same time I know that that's the dynamic by which these things pass.

[havocmom]

14. That was in the back of my mind too.

There will be exceptions made, of course, for the many Republicans who are guilty of sex crimes.

[happyslug]

50. Given that 90% of the Victims are in the same family as the prep?

You will have the VICTIM driving a car with a PERPETRATOR'S plate. I can see it now, a Victim being beat up by drunks for being a child abuser when the person beat up was the VICTIM of the Abuse.

How to handle child abuse cases is difficult. Remember the rule "DO NOT PUNISH THE VICTIM MORE THAN THE PERPETRATOR". Given the high percentage of perpetrators who are the father's (or other male relative of the victim) and that in most family the father (or other male relative) tend to be the larger money earner, jailing the father often punish the victim more than the Perpetrator. The father gets three hots and a cot, while the Victim has to more out of his/her house (With father in jail the victim's family can not afford it), move away from his or her friends, may even become homeless (no money for housing).

Thus to send the Father to jail is to punish the Child/Victim more than the Father. How do you solve this problem? Increase welfare would help but the State does NOT want to spend tax dollars that way, thus the only solution is to leave the Father on probation and working so the Father can pay child support. Thus Prison time is generally NOT given. Furthermore, often the best way for Father to get to work is the same car he lets the Mother of the Child use to transport the Child/Victim. Not unusual, but what solution to you propose for protecting the Child AND making sure the Father pays his Child Support at the time the Child need it not when the Child is in his 20s?

Very Difficult cases, and ignored for that reason. It is a lot easier to say we will punish Child Abusers than it is to address the issue of what to do with Abusers so that the Abusers are punished more than the Victim.

[LiberalFighter]

55. What if others give them a ride?

They may decide not to own a car to drive around.

Or borrow someone elses car.

[Ian David]

7. People who take a vow of celibacy should be registered by the state

They pose a clear threat to our children, and while they shouldn't be treated as sex offenders, they should be required to register like them.

Who's with me on this?

While the majority of celibates are not child molesters, celibates do in fact molest children at a rate disproportionate to non-celibate people.

I believe the catholic Church themselves estimated that 7% of their own priests have had credible abuse charges filed against them. (Actually, I think it was 7% in Massachusetts as compared to 3% of priests nationally).

[toopers]

21. Would you provide a link to your "facts".

I would like to read about these statistics. Thank you in advance.

[Ian David]

36. Priest abuse statistics (here's what I've found so far)...

<snip>

The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops commissioned a survey of Roman Catholic church records of abusive clergy, to be completed by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice. The survey is one component of the Dallas Charter, a plan developed by the bishops in 2002 to respond to allegations of widespread child abuse by priests, and of extensive cover-ups by the church. CNN.com obtained a draft copy of the report and posted a summary on their web site on 2004-FEB-17. 1 The final version was released on 2004-FEB-27.
http://www.www.usccb.org

Some of the raw data contained in the report:

Years covered: 1950 to 2002.

Percentage of bishops who provided information: 97% 3

Total number of allegations of sexual abuse of children by priests: 11,000.

Number substantiated: 6,700 (61%).

Number unsubstantiated: 1,000 (9.1%).

Number which were not investigated because the allegations were made after the priest's death: 3,300.

Number of priests who served during the interval: 110,000.

Number of priests alleged to have abused children: 4,450.

Percentage of abusive priests: 4.0%

Number of priests who are currently serving: 44,000

<snip>

According to Paul McHugh, a member of the National Review Board, the epidemic of child abuse cases sprang up "...early in the 1960s and reached tidal-wave proportions in the 1970s and early 1980s." The report suffers from what public-health workers call "reporting bias." Some details of the 11,000 cases of alleged abuse are known. But there exists another "pool of victims of unknown size...outside of their accounting..." They might never come to light. By reaching back to the year 1950, the John Jay study showed that the 1950s were comparatively free of predators. It went relatively unrecognized during the 1970s and 1980s. The level of abuse appears to be abating now. 3
More:


<snip>

References:

1. "Draft survey: 4,450 priests accused of sex abuse. Bishop: 'Very sobering and important milestone'," CNN.com, 2004-FEB-17, at: http://edition.cnn.com/2004/US/02/16/church.abuse/index.html

2. The John Jay College of Criminal Justice has a web site at: http://www.jjay.cuny.edu/.
3. Paul McHugh, "Dismantling the Culture," Baltimore Sun, 2004-MAR-3.

More:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/clergy_sex20.htm



Catholics want change, poll finds
Seek archbishop open to new ideas
By Michael Paulson, Globe Staff, 5/11/2003

<snip>

A plurality of local Catholics say the requirement of priestly celibacy is the primary cause of clergy sexual abuse. An overwhelming 86 percent majority of local Catholics -- the highest ever in a Globe poll -- say they would now support allowing priests to marry, and 80 percent, another record in Globe polling, say they would support the ordination of women as priests. The support for the ordination of women and married men cuts across all demographic categories -- even among weekly communicants and senior citizens.

<snip>

An explanation for the crisis often put forward by some conservative Catholics -- that there are too many gay men in the priesthood and those gay men have molested adolescent boys -- finds little support from local Catholics. Only 9 percent say homosexuality in the priesthood is the primary cause of the abuse crisis, 59 percent say they would oppose prohibiting gay men from the priesthood, and 61 percent say they disagree with the church's position on homosexuality.

More:
http://www.boston.com/globe/spotlight/abuse/print4/051103_poll.htm



Also:

WHAT PERCENTAGE OF PRIESTS ABUSE,
AND WHOM DO THEY VICTIMIZE?
http://www.religioustolerance.org/clergy_sex8.htm




Transmited Feb-27-2004

Four percent of priests serving over last 50 years accused of abuse

By Agostino Bono
Catholic News Service

WASHINGTON (CNS) -- About 4 percent of U.S. priests ministering from 1950 to 2002 were accused of sex abuse with a minor, according to the first comprehensive national study of the issue.

The study said that 4,392 clergymen -- almost all priests -- were accused of abusing 10,667 people, with 75 percent of the incidents taking place between 1960 and 1984.

During the same time frame there were 109,694 priests, it said.

Sex-abuse related costs totaled $573 million, with $219 million covered by insurance companies, said the study done by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York.

It noted, however, that the overall dollar figure is much higher than reported; 14 percent of the dioceses and religious communities did not provide financial data and the total did not include settlements made after 2002, such as the $85 million agreed to by the Boston Archdiocese.

The study, released in Washington Feb. 27, was commissioned by the U.S. bishops' National Review Board, which also released its own report at the same news conference on the causes of the clergy sex abuse crisis that has rocked the church for the past two years.


More:
http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0401118.htm




Catholic bishops' president defends American priests after a negative 'avalanche' over abuse

By Richard N. Ostling, AP Religion Writer | November 14, 2005

WASHINGTON --The president of America's Roman Catholic bishops defended American priests Monday, saying a "handful" of miscreants who sexually abused minors have forced the rest of the clergy "to endure an avalanche of negative public attention."

<snip>

But Voice of the Faithful, an independent reform group with 30,000 lay members, criticized the bishops for lack of consultation with parishioners and inadequate outreach to abuse victims. David Clohessy, director of Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, added that leaders of the national bishops' conference haven't met with abuse victims the past couple of years, though local bishops have done so.

The abuse problem gained national attention in Boston in 2002 and quickly rose to the crisis level: U.S. dioceses calculate they've paid more than $1 billion in settlements and other costs related to guilty clergy since 1950 and more than 11,500 claims of molestation have been made against American priests over that period.

In Monday's business session, the bishops approved a 2006 national program budget with a $1.8-million deficit to be covered by reserve funds. Much of the shortfall results from programs that the bishops added in order to reform abuse policies and protect children in the future.

More:
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2005/11/14/catholic_bishops_president_defends_american_priests_after_a_negative_avalanche_over_abuse/

[MissMillie]

10. I don't like sex offender notification laws

at all.

[mainegreen]

47. Dude, we're totally outnumbered here on that one.

I daren't mention it for fear of being flamed alive.

[Boomer]

64. I agree in theory, but reality is such a bitch

The arguments against sex offender notification are numerous and valid, while the protection they offer is dubious. Not to mention the false sense of security that these draconian measures foster, obscuring the fact that most sex offenders are close relatives not some stranger cruising through the neighborhood.

That being said, I checked out the sex offenders map for my town and learned that there are over a half-dozen registered sex offenders living within walking distance of my house. This is a working class neighborhood, filled with young families with lots of kids, many of which are poorly supervised because the parents are working two or three minimum wage jobs just to make ends meet.

I've got to confess that I took a long hard look at the photos of the two or three men who live on my street, a few blocks away. And if I ever see them on this block, where a half-dozen young kids play on the sidewalk every day, I'm sitting on my porch until I'm sure they've left.

Now some of my close friends on this block are ex-felons who have turned their life around. But the recidivist rate for sexual offenders is VERY high and the price to be paid for under-estimating their compliance is also very high. This particular conviction presents a different kind of danger that is not so easily erased by having served one's time.

I wish I could find a solution that fit my ethical framework, but so far that insight has eluded me.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

98. Parents should be watching there kids ALL the time around ALL strangers

In addition to it being the parent's job to protect their child, there is always a first time for every sex offender.

[Sweet Freedom]

11. Geez

Shouldn't "the most serious sex offenders" be in prison? Instead of wasting time on these stupid ideas, lawmakers should be focusing on stengthening the laws against pedophiles so that their being on the street isn't even an issue.

[BR_Parkway]

29. No, we might have to let some guy out who was smoking pot

or something! Think of the children!

:sarcasm:

[twaddler01]

46. No kidding! nt

[6000eliot]

12. Doesn't this put anybody in mind of Nazi Germany?

[jseankil]

38. No, Jews weren't serious sex offenders. /nm

/nm

[6000eliot]

44. I was thinking more of pink triangles.

[Behind the Aegis]

91. Pink triangles...

...were used to identify gays (men). They were also a little larger than most triangles so it was easier to spot. Jews wore yellow triangles or stars of David.

[rocktivity]

13. And now for something completely different

Senator from New Port Richey proposes pink DUI plates

CLEARWATER, Fla. (AP) -- A Republican senator wants a law to require bright pink license plates on vehicles driven by people with restricted driving privileges due to convictions for driving under the influence...

The cure for that is as easy as renting, borrowing or re-registering a car. This law has no effect on offenders who don't own cars (for instance, if you were busted driving a rented or borrowed car). There's too much potential for abuse by police officers who have ticket quotas to fill. And it discriminates against anyone else who may have to drive the car. Put the restriction on the offender's LICENSE, not the car.

By the way, why stop at drunks and sex offenders? Let's tag EVERYONE who's comitted a felony! Are we supposed to feel safer on the roads with murderers and robbers and embezzlers just because a car was NOT their weapon of choice?

:headbang:
rocknation

[anotherdrew]

25. clearly some rethug is sitting on a load of pink plates he can't sell

it's breaking out all over. And who can object to nice pink plates... will women DUI's and sex offenders have to have blue plates?

[Kolesar]

15. And "CLERGY" when and where applicable... eom

[VaYallaDawg]

16. Hester Prine revisited. n/t

[rocktivity]

20. Hester PRYNNE.

The Scarlet Letter
Nathaniel Hawthorne

When Hester Prynne bears an illegitimate child she is introduced to the ugliness, complexity, and ultimately the strength of the human spirit. Though set in Puritan community centuries ago, the moral dilemmas of personal responsibility, and consuming emotions of guilt, anger, loyalty and revenge are timeless.

And if I recall correctly, SHE got knocked up by a clergyman!

:headbang:
rocknation

[VaYallaDawg]

27. Thanks for correction in spelling -

it's been a while since I picked up the actual book.

[Psephos]

33. That was my first thought, too.

Maybe they should make the license plates with scarlet letters.

This plays to the basest human emotions, and will lead to all sorts of unintended consequences.

Peace.

[UTUSN]

18. Holy Zeus! Why Not Just Lobotomize Them?

Seriously. There's something repellant about having done the punishment and never reaching the bottom of it. If these persons canNOT be rehabilitated, why NOT do the lobotomy or whatever procedure it is?

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

23. not lobotomy---------"DE-Nutting" is what I think the term is------n/t

[Turbineguy]

30. Lobotomy and castration

that would be like a republican who can sing!

[noamnety]

19. What are they trying to accomplish?

"Timmy, if a stranger pulls up next to you on the street and asks you to get in his car, check the color of his license plate before getting in."

[anotherdrew]

24. sure. Let's make them wear a pink star on their shirts too.

and tattoo their faces with a warning

[Sapphocrat]

59. That's the first thought that came to my mind, too.

After all, they want to tattoo us homos and put warning labels on us like we were cigarette packs. Slap a pink triangle onto sex offenders to equate them with us, and -- ding! ding! ding! -- The New Nazi Germany is nearly complete.

[Auntie Bush]

26. Why don't they just tattoo a pink "S "on their forehead.

At least that way other family members can drive their car.

:sarcasm:

[olddad56]

28. Too generic.....

I went to college with a guy who later in life got busted with an underage hooker. Stupid yes, does he deserve to be a registered sex offender, not in my mind, is he a regsitered sex offender, yes. Is his life hell because of the label, yes. He was stupid, and drunk, but I don't think he belongs in the same category as a child molester.

[Catrina]

31. Yes, 'first they came for .....

But since we're back in the dark ages, how about blood-red license plates for politicians who lie to get a country into wars that kill tens of thousands of innocent people.

Maybe if we sent that list of Republican sex offenders to Ohio to help them with their decision?

If the 'worst' sex offenders are such a threat, why are the out of jail?

Will we soon have green plates for pot smokers, brown for cigarette smokers.

Looks like Hitler was before his time! Today, his innovative color coded labels would be lauded in this country, it seems.

So sad ~ just one more sign of a failed society ~

[OzarkDem]

32. Confusion w/ breast cancer license plate

Ohio just recently introduced a pink ribbon license plate. It would be a shame to see sales drop because of this.

How about day-glo yellow or something?

[WinkyDink]

35. OMG! How PERVERTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So violence would be then inflicted on this PAROLED American? Is THAT the idea?

I guess there goes his trying to get a job, car-pooling, visiting family, TRYING TO MAKE AMENDS.

Not even paroled murderers are punished outside of their served time.

[slackmaster]

37. I think a scarlet 'P' tattooed on the forehead would be more appropriate

The Pink Pistols and the Million Mom March own the color pink.

:hide:

[BattyDem]

40. So ... what if ..

a sex offender doesn't have a car, rents a different car, borrows a car, steals a car, steals plates from another car and puts them on his own car before going out to "pick someone up," etc.

I don't really see what this will accomplish. Besides, if someone is a "serious sex offender," perhaps they shouldn't be out on the street. The time and effort of these lawmakers would be better spent trying to toughen the sentencing laws for serious sex offenders. :eyes:

[Dr Fate]

42. An obvious effort to associate illegal acts with legal homosexuality.

n/t

[jseankil]

43. How so? If the plate was rainbow I would agree but the gays dont get pink

too.

[Dr Fate]

45. The Pink Triangle comes to mind. n/t

n/t

[foreigncorrespondent]

58. You need to study up on history. And quick!

During WWII the nazis used pink triangles to identify gay guys. So sorry, but we have a true historical claim for pink things being used to identify us.

When I read the headline, that was the exact first thing that little bit of queer history was the first thing that popped into my head as well.

[sofa king]

48. What a shame.

You know, if you believe in all that anti-Jesus stuff like evolution and genetics, the problem with recidivist sex offenders becomes a complex ethical problem of nature versus nurture.

Recidivist sex offenders appear to be compelled to repeat their crimes, regardless of prior punishment received. It's almost as if it's a compulsion built into the very DNA of certain sexual offenders.

People who hate God and freedom occasionally point out that these recidivist sexual offenders should be studied to see precisely what it is in their genetic makeup which compels them to abuse children, in hopes that something can be done to stop them before they start. Without making their cases worse by corraling them with random mixes of violent criminals and then setting them free without addressing the genetic predisposition which underlies the problem.

But maybe making them drive around with different colored license plates will do just as well. After all, that's what Jesus wants us to do.

[Generator]

51. Like torture this is more

government stupidity that sounds like "gee that'll work fer shur" but is asbolutely worthless. Like Mr. offender would drive THAT car with that liscense plate when he was out trolling. OR are the kids supposed to check the license plates before talking to strangers? Is that it? That's not MY car sweetie! Or are the legislators hoping for road rage to knock him off? Are they hoping for violence? And God forbid anyone is in that car that's innocent. We are being lead by you guessed it-morans! (I suppose like torture it could save a life potentially but the bigger question-"is that what we want as a society?" are never asked)

[goforit]

54. I think Mary Kaye is gonna have a shit-fit over this!!...LOL!!!!

[Kenneth ken]

72. yep

all their sales people will start going out and molesting kids, just so they can get a plate to match their car!

:rofl:

Mary Kay was the people I thought about when I read the thread title too.

[Little Star]

56. As much as I HATE sex offenders

this is wrong. Who and what is next? Just keep them in jail if they are a danger to society. This harms innocent family members. What a ass-hat idea. I will be writing my senators about this stupid idea. Does it solve anything??????????? No! Obviously sex offenders have no shame anyway.
:wtf:

[0007]

60. They tried this shit some time back and it was shot down and

will be shot down again.

[MrSlayer]

62. Why would you ever let "serious" sex offenders out of prison?

Habitual child molesters shouldn't even exist let alone get pink license plates. If you do it once you should be executed. If you are a violent rapist you should be executed. There is no cure or rehabilitation for such people. This whole thing is ridiculous.

[Catfight]

63. Waste of $$$$. Pedophiles should be put into mental institutions

since the disease is incurable. Obviously a lust for small children isn't exactly a physical thing, it's a sick perverted mental thing. Why does the 21century not deal with the issue realistically? The facts state that rehabilitation is so low for sex offenders, so why even bother with them? Just put them in wards, drug them up, castrate them, whatever, and wait until they die. There's NO cure!

[all.of.me]

66. pink?! they should be black.

[superconnected]

67. Yesterday there was an artical here for pink for Drunk Drivers.

Told ya it would spread through the marginal people first.

It's not hard to get people to do that to sex offenders - they're easily hated.

Then drunk drivers, anyone with a speeding ticket, hey finally anyone the bush admin doesn't like - anti american.

BTW, this kind of distinction promotes violence. The people with the pink license plates will be hated regardless of who they are and how their crime came about.

They're trying to put people in groups and make it PC to hate them.

[superconnected]

68. What an arse.

"There's no treatment, but there's punishment. The punishment isn't stopping them from repeating their crimes," he said.

"I would rather have a sex offender be inconvenienced a little bit so a child could be protected," he said."

[proud2BlibKansan]

69. So if you are a family with ONE CAR

your wife and children get to drive around while the other motorists assume THEY are sex offenders?

[greblc]

70. So how many of you who are against this would welcome a ...

a convicted sex offender as a next door neighbor? or let them watch your children?

Sorry, I have no sympathy for sex offenders. Spray paint them pink and coat them with fucking Flamingo Feathers. Then let them out on parole if you must,
but make sure it's in your back yard.

Don't pretend people.

[TroubleMan]

71. If they're a next door neighbor, no problem

but not watch my kids. I don't let anybody watch my kids other than family or licensed child care providers. I have two kids and one on the way (due in March).

Once the person is out of jail, they have paid their debt to society, and should be fully integrated back. Not letting them get back to being a fully functioning person in society actually increases their chances of recidivism. So these pink tags will actually increase the chance that they'll commit another crime, because they'll be outcast. Just make it so they have longer jail times...even lock them up for most of their lives or a life sentence if they're a child molester. However, once somebody is out of jail, they should be able to go on with their lives and not be singled out.

[sleipnir]

73. Well, I hate sex offenders, but this could be the start of something worse

If this bill passes, I think we have the potential for the flood gates to open. Next we might see bills making anyone convicted of a felony to get special license plates. This reeks of social branding and is wrong, IMO. The sex offenders released have supposedly done their time and they should not have continued punishment beyond what the court has sentenced. Actually, the re-offend arrest rates for Sexual offenders is the lowest of all major criminals. When looking only at sexual crime arrests, the number is about 8% according the the FBI. For a bit of comparison, murderers have a re-arrest rate of about 60%.

If anything, they should be putting special plates out for murderers, according to the statistic, that makes a hell of a lot more sense.

[greblc]

80. If the plates were part of an early release or parole agreement,

a choice of the convict ,would it be more agreeable? I think most would choose to have a pink plate for a number of years, than sit in prison for that same time. Maybe a sentencing of GPS tracking device of some kind would be more palatable.

My feelings are driven by the fact that we treat our children as the prisoners.
Parents literally wont let their children outside unsupervised for fear of predators.

My childhood was completely different in that respect. I used to travel about my neighborhood all day unfettered by adults. Now children can't leave their yard.

I don't know that the criminal situation is different today than 30 years ago, but the way children play is.

[sleipnir]

85. Yes, if it were for early release coupled with treatment, I'd be fine.

That's actually an interesting idea. But, it might still be a stigma on the person who could honestly have reformed and trying to make a go of it in society.

Yes, even when I was growing up in the mid to late 80's, I was able to wander around, but looking back, I was at the end of the "golden days" of unfettered play and freedom.

I don't know what to do about sex offenders, they really are the worst of the worst.

I keep on pondering on the fact that we also release some murders back into the civilian population, supposedly reformed, but why is there only an uproar around sex offenders?

The worst offenders, especially of crimes against children, much like violent murderers should be removed from society for, well, permanent periods of time.

[greblc]

87. I just have problems sending criminals on there merry way when victims

and society pay the price forever.

[TrogL]

78. You'd be surprised who they're calling a "sex offender"

[greblc]

81. Yes, I know.

Some States consider public urination a sex offense.

[rucky]

82. What's the point of prison?

If we actually tried for rehabilitation as our goal, maybe we wouldn't live in such fear of our neighbors. This trend of extending punishment after time served is basically an admission to the failure of our criminal justice system.

Maybe it would be more productive to re-focus on how sex offenders should be dealt with while they're serving their time. I'm not an expert, but I'm sure there are some programs out there that work (rehabilitate).

[greblc]

86. What about restitution to victims they seem to have been left out of ...

this debate. How does a child rehabilitate after be victimized? How does that child feel when the offender is released?

How do you see inside someones head? You can only judge someone by what they've done. Everyone wears a hat of some sort. If your hat is pedophilia society should know. I wear a uniform and drive a utility truck. It identifies me and what I do or have done. Why shouldn't convicted criminals be identified?

Victims will pay the price forever, why shouldn't the perpetrators?

[rucky]

88. I don't see how pink plates will bring any closure to the victims.

Victim's rights is a whole other ball of wax. It's not mutually exclusive with humane treatment of prisoners, tho.

[greblc]

89. It wouldn't. I honestly dont think pink plates are the answer.

I do think that continued observation and monitoring of certain offenders would ease some victims minds. GPS monitoring of Pedophiles with distance restrictions from play grounds and schools could be part of parole requirements.

[AlienGirl]

94. Depends on the "sex offender"

If, for instance, the person had been convicted at age 18 of having sex with a 16-year-old, I'd have no problem. This has happened; and if it's an 18-year-old male and a 16-year-old male, the younger kid's parents are even more likely to press charges than if it's a heterosexual love affair.

Also, people have been convicted of "indecent exposure" for peeing in alleys when drunk, and they have to register as sex offenders, too.

What the law really needs is to distinguish predatory sex crimes from non-predatory stuff like taking a leak in the alley. Then we can start talking about considering the *predatory* criminals a continuing threat.

Tucker

[TrogL]

74. Pink is so over

Lavender is the new pink.

[williesgirl]

75. Is this supposed to let parents off the hook for watching their own kids

and knowing where they are at all times? Having any colored license plate is b.s. A huge percent of child molestation is done by parents/relatives/friends of the family - not strangers. Does this end up just giving parents a false sense of safety?

[CanOfWhoopAss]

77. it takes serious sex offenders 5 years just to get a license again

let alone register a vehicle in their name. what happens when their cars are vandalized. who pays for that? there has to be a better idea.

[rodeodance]

79. I do not agree with this tactic-whatever the color.

[KamaAina]

83. All they have to do is drive down to Florida, and...

...people will think the pink tags only mean they're DUI offenders. :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

Counterproposal: Vomit-yellow tags for clueless busybody legislators, of any party, who propose this garbage and expect us to take it seriously. :puke: At least the Fla. DUI pink tag proposal had something to with cars. This one's just plain off the wall!

[ecstatic]

84. Shouldn't habitual sex offenders be in prison for life?

If the habitual child molesters are free in the first place, then that should be what Ohio focuses on. Not wasting money making pink tags.

[depakid]

90. Kinda begs the question, doesn't it?

Then again, it's Ohio- and that state's exactly known as a base of critical thinking or rational action.

[Behind the Aegis]

92. This is as stupid as registries.

False security and false outrage, nothing more.

[KitchenWitch]

93. What prevents them from titling their car in someone else's name

Huge loophole in that one....

Not that I agree with the idea at all.

[truthisfreedom]

95. nothing. and what prevents them from using black license plates?

[SemiCharmedQuark]

97. The sign of a true democracy is the protection of rights for ALL citizens

Even the scum. That's why we let the klan march.


Don't do the crime unless you can do the time. But some crimes warrant you to do that time and then more.

And the pink as a color...ugh. That is completely transparent. Another victory for people who automatically equate homosexuality with perversion.

[truebrit71]

100. What a GREAT idea!!! That way, when a freeper gets mad, he can just find..

...someone driving a car with a pink license plate and kick their ass and claim it was because the driver was looking at a kid!!!

Hey!!! I have an even BETTER idea!! Why not make all the JEWS use YELLOW license plate holders.....

Wait a minute, that sounds vaguely familiar...


This is a fucking stupid idea, that opens up the state to potentially HUGE lawsuits, centered around the beating death of the first person lynched for having one of these license plates....

If the offender is that bad of a person that everyone around them "needs to know" then they shouldn't be out on the streets in the first place!!!!

I'm sorry, but the minute you start publicly labelling people you have OFFICIALLY become a Facist State.