WP: Roberts: Iraq Will Affect Future War Votes

[kskiska]

Experience With Faulty Data Has Made Senators More Wary, Panel Chairman Says

By Walter Pincus
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, November 14, 2005; A04

The Republican chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence said yesterday that one lesson of the faulty prewar intelligence on Iraq is that senators would take a hard look at intelligence before voting to go to war.

"I think a lot of us would really stop and think a moment before we would ever vote for war or to go and take military action," Sen. Pat Roberts (Kan.) said on "Fox News Sunday."

"We don't accept this intelligence at face value anymore," he added. "We get into preemptive oversight and do digging in regards to our hard targets."

He said that agreement has been reached on the Phase 2 review that the intelligence panel is doing to look into whether the Bush administration exaggerated or misused prewar intelligence. The review may not be finished this year, he said.

The intelligence panel vice chairman, Sen. John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.), also appearing on Fox, called the review "absolutely useful" because "if it is the fact that they created intelligence or shaped intelligence in order to bring American opinion along to support them in going to war, that's a really bad thing -- it should not ever be repeated."

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[knowbody0]

1. maybe we will all evolve

and there will be no more war.

[struggle4progress]

2. ... Oh, the history books tell it. They tell it so well.

The cavalries charged. The Indians fell.
The cavalries charged. The Indians died.
Oh, the country was young with God on its side ...

Oh, the First World War, boys, it closed out its fate.
The reason for fighting I never got straight.
But I learned to accept it, accept it with pride
For you don't count the dead when God's on your side ...

In a many dark hour I've been thinkin' about this:
That Jesus Christ was betrayed by a kiss.
But I can't think for you. You'll have to decide
Whether Judas Iscariot had God on his side.

So now as I'm leavin' I'm weary as Hell.
The confusion I'm feelin' ain't no tongue can tell.
The words fill my head and fall to the floor
If God's on our side he'll stop the next war.

- Dylan

[Jacobin]

8. Pretty much.

Didn't learn from Gulf of Tonkin.

Didn't learn from IWR vote.

[applegrove]

3. When Canada had a liar and American puppet as PM - his party

ended up with 2 seats in the election. From a majority to two seats. You really have to be careful how far you disgust people with your hubris.

[For PaisAn]

4. Too late,

he should tell it to the families of the dead and injured soldiers and Iraqis. I'm sure that will make things all right for them.
:sarcasm:
There are no next times for them so F*ck him.


And he was pretty much forced into this:

"He said that agreement has been reached on the Phase 2 review that the intelligence panel is doing to look into whether the Bush administration exaggerated or misused prewar intelligence. The review may not be finished this year, he said."

How much you wanna bet Phase 2 isn't finished until after the 2006 elections?!

[grytpype]

5. "The review may not be finished this year, he said." !!!!

I thought it was already within a week of being done when Reid pulled his little "stunt!" What a liar Roberts is!

They are just trying to kick the can as far down the road as possible. Maybe everyone will forget about Iraq eventually.

[Greeby]

6. Roberts stalling? Time for another shutdown

Harry Reid's office:
Washington
528 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
Phone: [phone] / Fax: [phone]

[lakeguy]

7. when did they ever have a "vote for war"? sounds like they trying

to rewrite history and say that the dems "voted for war" just like everyone else.

[rpannier]

9. What Roberts meant was...

if a Democrat is president we'll take a long hard look, because we expect to be out of the White House for at least 12 years.

[leesa]

10. Oh please. Roberts was working as hard as he could to get us not to look

closely at that intelligence he knew they whipped up. He would do it again in a heart beat. He is a traitor.

[maryallen]

32. Come on, Kansans: Do something about Roberts!

Raise hell at him.

[cantstandbush]

11. The Bushcos certainly hyped the intel AFTER they were told no WMDs

were present. They continued to hype the intel and issue threat alerts just to keep people behind their further actions.

[Ontheinternets]

12. Its funny how they say next time they will make.....

sure the intelligence is correct. Its a little late for people who lost a loved one to this war, people lost their lives, Innocent people lost their lives. Pat Roberts treats this like a little mistake it seems to me. The people that are dead don't have a next time.


:mad:

[sabra]

13. Bush backer fears terrorism becoming Iraq's big export (Pat Roberts)

http://www.theage.com.au/news/iraq/bush-backer-fears-terrorism-becoming-iraqs-big-export/2005/11/14/1131951100290.html

Bush backer fears terrorism becoming Iraq's big export

THE Republican chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence says Iraq became the centre of the war on terrorism after it was attacked by the US-led coalition, and he now fears Iraq is exporting terrorism to other countries.

"I'm afraid we're going to see Iraq is not only the centre of the war on terror, which it was not before we attacked Iraq, but now it is going to, I'm afraid, export it," Senator Pat Roberts said on CNN's Late Edition.

Senator Roberts, who has been a strong supporter of President George Bush, added: "We've got to get allies, as many as we can, including in the Muslim world, because this is a form of fanatic Islam which has to be defeated by the moderate Islamic people."

A leading Democrat, Senator Carl Levin, said on the same program, that Iraq "has become the heartland of terrorism. It was not before we attacked."

[afdip]

14. instead of just exporting oil, they have diversified their

portfolio and now they also export terrorism. another sign of our shining success in iraq.

[babylonsister]

15. Well, Sen. Roberts, look into your own soul and figure out

who's creating the terrorists now? Geesh!

[underpants]

16. Wow no one expected THAT

[Einstein99]

17. Key sentence is this:

"We've got to get allies, as many as we can, including in the Muslim world, because this is a form of fanatic Islam which has to be defeated by the moderate Islamic people."

Why didn't Bush & Co. think of this BEFORE they went in there? What leader in the Muslim world is going to align himself with Bush now?

Kerry tried to make this point during the campaign, but Rove turned it against him, and, unfortunately, Kerry didn't counterattack very effectively.

[sabra]

19. How many times can we say Kerry was right about that one :-(

[babylonsister]

21. Welcome to DU, Einstein99! nt

[Toots]

26. "because this is a form of fanatic Islam"

What evidence is there that this has anything at all to do with religion? Every Arab expert I have ever listened to has said it has nothing to do with religion but land and poverty is at the core. I also still have never seen one shred of evidence that Al Qaeda ( Osama Bin Ladin) had anything to do with 9-11. If there is such evidence why keep it secret?

[fshrink]

18. Amazing.

There were no WMD. Iraq was not relevant to the so-called war on terror. What exactly is left in terms of justification? Compensation for character-disordered individuals, including at least one idiot, and huge profits for a group of private interests. How's that for being the beacon of democracy!

[Straight Shooter]

20. Amazing how it takes years for him to recognize what we knew all along.

It isn't rocket science to foresee that if you aggressively invade a country under false pretenses, that the end result will not be a positive one.

Republicans. Until the truth walks up and smacks them in the face, they simply don't recognize it.

[skooooo]

22. Duh...ya think????

This is HUGH!!!!!111!

[vogonity]

23. This quote seems significant

"I'm afraid we're going to see Iraq is not only the centre of the war on terror, which it was not before we attacked Iraq, but now it is going to, I'm afraid, export it," Senator Pat Roberts said on CNN's Late Edition.


How many Repubs have admitted that Iraq was not the center of the war on terra before we attacked it?

[SKKY]

24. Africa. I think Africa is the key...

...more than 40% Muslim. We could do a lot of good there, restore our image in a few eyes, and create some allies in the process. If we want the Muslim world on our side, Africa it seems would be a good place to start. JMHO

[readmylips]

25. Roberts separating himself from bush....

Roberts is trying to cover his ass. The rats are running away.

[yellowcanine]

27. Well gee Pat, Ya think? Maybe it is time to dump your support of the

numnut in the White House.

[Strawman]

28. thanks Sen. Roberts

coming from someone with ZERO fucking credibiity on this issue, that is very reassuring.

thanks alot you fucking fuckass

here's a better idea: why don't the voters just toss you out on your stinkin ass?

[FlemingsGhost]

29. LOL ... CYA, Sen. Roberts ... you traitorous peice of shit. (n/t)

Flem.

[sofa king]

30. Riiight.

The Mexican-American War
The Spanish-American War
World War I
Vietnam
The Iraq War

We enjoined half of our country's major wars on false pretenses, with ulterior motives, all of which were heartily approved by Congress. What Senator Roberts is really saying is that when it comes time to blood the next ignorant generation, they'll have to use a lie with better sticking power, like the Maine or the Gulf of Tonkin.

[VegasWolf]

31. Yes, EXACTLY! They will forget the lesson within 6 months of re-election.