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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 05:18 PM
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Ex-Powell Aide Suggests Pre-War Memo Was Kept From Bush(/Col. Wilkerson)
Edited on Fri Nov-11-05 05:20 PM by RedEarth
Ex-Powell Aide Suggests Pre-War Memo Was Kept From Bush
By Marc Perelman
November 11, 2005
A former top official in the Bush administration is suggesting that a White House memo outlining the need for hundreds of thousands of troops for the Iraq invasion was kept from the president. Lawrence Wilkerson, who served as chief of staff to then-secretary of state Colin Powell during President Bush's first term, said in a November 7 speech that the National Security Council had prepared a pre-war memo recommending that hundreds of thousands of troops and other security personnel were needed. “I don't know if the president saw it,” Wilkerson told the audience of military officers and international lawyers, who had gathered at the military for a conference on on international humanitarian law.

In response to a follow-up question after his speech, Wilkerson, a retired U.S. army colonel, said he believed that then-national security advisor Condoleezza Rice or her deputy, Stephen Hadley, had blocked the memo, but he acknowledged that he had no clear evidence. In the end, about 135,000 U.S. troops were sent - a decision that critics said has hurt America's ability to defeat the insurgency in Iraq and has led to increased American casualties. In July 2003, USA Today reported the existence of the NSC memo, which examined the level of troops in peacekeeping operations and concluded that some 500,000 troops would need to be deployed to Iraq.

USA Today raised doubts as to whether the president saw the memo. However, Wilkerson's assertion seemed to take the matter a step further, suggesting that aides who supported the war intentionally kept the president in the dark. Wilkerson drew national attention last month, when, during a speech at the Washington-based New America Foundation, he accused Vice President Dick Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld of forming a “cabal” to hijack American foreign policy. “This was not a 'troop estimate,'” Wilkerson said of the alleged NSC memo, in an e-mail to the Forward. “It was a comprehensive analysis - succinct to be sure - of the potential post-war situation, which incidentally, as one would expect, included estimates of security, engineer, police, and other forces DOD might have to provide, as well as those of other agencies/departments (at least that's my memory of the preliminary stuff).” Wilkerson added, “The reason I suspect it got stopped is simply that they knew and dissented strongly and did not want to reopen that box of worms.” The NSC declined to comment.

An administration official referred to a quote given by the NSC to USA Today in 2003, saying, “The NSC staff does not make recommendations or provide estimates to the president on the number of troops needed for any mission.” When told of this response, Wilkerson said, “If the NSC was not doing such papers, it was grievously remiss in my humble opinion.” In his speech this week at West Point, Wilkerson said that officials in the Pentagon and in Cheney's office “really pushed the envelope” on permitting harsh interrogations and treatment of prisoners. Wilkerson recounted how military lawyers who opposed a series of guidelines allowing harsh interrogation techniques were silenced, and how he found out instances of two detainees who died in American facilities in Afghanistan as early as December 2002. The deaths, he said, were only confirmed by the Pentagon earlier this year. “We have some 25,000 prisoners and among them maybe 100 real terrorists and we decided to apply those guidelines,” he said, arguing that torture was morally wrong, eroding America's image and providing little intelligence. Wilkerson told the audience that while he disagreed with many of the administration's foreign policy moves, what most “got attention” and made him “very anxious” was the treatment of detainees advocated by other officials. Just before the infamous pictures from Abu Ghraib were made public, Wilkerson recounted, he was ordered by Powell to assemble a comprehensive paper trail because “this would be big.” Wilkerson said that when the president outlined in a memorandum that prisoners should be treated humanely in accordance with the spirit of the Geneva conventions and in conformity with U.S. values, he and others in government and the military took it to mean that U.S. troops were told to treat detainees in a decent manner. “But this is not what I saw in the paper trail with regards to the office of the vice president and the Pentagon,” Wilkerson said, adding that he had returned the documents to the State Department upon his retirement earlier this year. “They really pushed the envelope.” Turning to Iraq, he blamed Bush, for whom he voted twice, for failing to assert himself in the intra-cabinet feuding over the preparations for the war. “We went in with a plan that was so inept that it was impossible for me to believe had been briefed about it and approved it,” he said, expressing his conviction that the decisions were made by the top officials at the Pentagon and by Cheney, whom he described as “the most powerful vice president” in history. “If you want to change my opinion, Mr. President, please come out and say you took the decision yourself,” Wilkerson said.

Wilkerson praised his former boss at the State Department, but acknowledged that his recent criticisms had estranged him from Powell, who is known for preferring to work behind the scenes. In the spring of 2004, Wilkerson said, he was writing resignation letters “twice a week” but, out of loyalty to Powell, decided to stayed on. “Some nights, I wish I had ,” he added. Of Powell, Wilkerson said, “The way they treated him in the end was humiliating, I think he wanted to leave.”

http://www.forward.com/main/printer-friendly.php?id=6876
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 05:25 PM
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1. WTF to make of this? Are they still trying to protect the Idiot from
accountability? No matter what angle you take on this stance it is pretty damning. At least IMHO, then again, I'm pretty biased against the lil' Idiot 'n Thief.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 06:53 PM
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15. There are in massive CYA mode
And they're doing a pretty crappy job of it. :rofl:
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 07:24 PM
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23. They are setting the stage to dump Cheney in order to save Bush
USA Today is owned by rightwing Gannett and this would not be the first time they are used by the Bush regime.

This strategy can be compared to a scenario in which Hitler blames Himmler from keeping from him a memo that said that Operation Barbarossa should be postponed to the following spring to avoid the harsh Russian winter.
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 12:03 AM
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32. It appears Wilkerson has placed Bush in a classic double bind.
Either he admits he knew all of what was going on, and in that case he will be held responsible, OR he claims it was all Cheyney or some other staff person and he winds up looking dumb and very much weakened, as a leader who doesn't lead.

Either way, it's pretty damning, which is the beauty of it. :)
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 05:31 PM
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2. Bush is a figure head
he doesn't get any of the information. And I am not surprised. It is a need to know basis. Why would he need to know? "Run along, now son. Here is some coke, go snort in the oval office. We adults are busy in the war room."

We did not fall for the figure-head ideal when they put Quayle before us. We were underestimated. This time, it worked. Did we as Americans get stupider? And for god's sake couldn't they have found someone who could at least complete a sentence?
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 07:07 PM
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17. No he is not. He is up to his eyeballs in all of it. Don't fall for the
"he's too stupid to know anything" defense. He was his Dad's hatchet man...he knows EVERYTHING and was involved in all of it.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 07:15 PM
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20. Exactly. Bush worked for his father as his manager
Edited on Fri Nov-11-05 07:38 PM by Solly Mack
and Shrub was the one who fired the former Nazis in Poppy Bush's entourage in 1988/89, when they got outted by the Washington Post.

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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 07:18 PM
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22. Ewww, Solly! I don't remember that one. Do you happen to have a
link? I'd love to learn more. Thanks!
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 07:37 PM
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24. Let me check my files
Edited on Fri Nov-11-05 08:02 PM by Solly Mack
Old link from DU

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?%20az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=391629

Also, google Laszlo Pastor and Yaroslav Stetsko

It was 88 or 89...

I'll look through more of my links and files.

another link


http://www.thenation.com/doc/20010702/alterman

I'll keep searching :)



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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 08:02 PM
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25. Thank you! Yes, Google does turn up some very interesting tidbits
on this. I've read about Prescott in the past, but Laszlo Pastor and Yaroslav Stetsko on Poppy's campaign trail are new to me.

Learn something new everyday - it's what I love most of all about DU! Thanks again Solly Mack.

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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 08:04 PM
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26. Welcome! Be sure to cross check Pastor with the Heritage Foundation
it gets even better.
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Betsy Ross Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 05:39 PM
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3. Thanks for the heads up.
Please note that the Forward is a newspaper published by and for the Jewish community: Political conservatives, liberals, communists, orthodox, and atheists. This is a community that has always taken a serious interest in ethics and searches out the truth.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 05:49 PM
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4. Looks like Bush is protecting himself from WAR CRIMES!!!!
How much was Wilkerson paid for this revelation?

Interesting turn.
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fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 05:57 PM
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5. Sure is worth a thorough investigation!
And if the plan was no "inept", it's probably because it came from an idiot, which doesn't really narrow it down much in this admininstration but still gives a serious clue about its source. As to Powell, he got the humiliation he so justly deserved. Let's hope he will get more.
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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 05:58 PM
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6. Maybe if Chimpy-boy had read the newspapers he would have known this
The rest of us did :banghead:
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 06:05 PM
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7. That's a lie
Edited on Fri Nov-11-05 06:19 PM by Solly Mack
Bush was briefed about troop estimates

Pentagon Contradicts General on Iraq Occupation Force's Size
By Eric Schmitt
New York Times
February 28, 2003

In a contentious exchange over the costs of war with Iraq, the Pentagon's second-ranking official today disparaged a top Army general's assessment of the number of troops needed to secure postwar Iraq. House Democrats then accused the Pentagon official, Paul D. Wolfowitz, of concealing internal administration estimates on the cost of fighting and rebuilding the country.

Mr. Wolfowitz, the deputy defense secretary, opened a two-front war of words on Capitol Hill, calling the recent estimate by Gen. Eric K. Shinseki of the Army that several hundred thousand troops would be needed in postwar Iraq, "wildly off the mark." Pentagon officials have put the figure closer to 100,000 troops. Mr. Wolfowitz then dismissed articles in several newspapers this week asserting that Pentagon budget specialists put the cost of war and reconstruction at $60 billion to $95 billion in this fiscal year. He said it was impossible to predict accurately a war's duration, its destruction and the extent of rebuilding afterward.

"We have no idea what we will need until we get there on the ground," Mr. Wolfowitz said at a hearing of the House Budget Committee. "Every time we get a briefing on the war plan, it immediately goes down six different branches to see what the scenarios look like. If we costed each and every one, the costs would range from $10 billion to $100 billion." Mr. Wolfowitz's refusal to be pinned down on the costs of war and peace in Iraq infuriated some committee Democrats, who noted that Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and Mitchell E. Daniels Jr., the budget director, had briefed President Bush on just such estimates on Tuesday.

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/attack/consequences/2003/0228pentagoncontra.htm

a war plan includes troops needed as well as potential cost

List of Generals favorable to Shinseki ousted:

Schoomaker shakeup
The new Army chief of staff, Gen. Peter J. Schoomaker, stated in his "arrival message" to the Army that the service is at war. "Today, our nation is at war and we are a critical part of the joint team — an Army at war," he said. "This is not a new war. Our enemies have been waging it for some time, and it will continue for the foreseeable future."
He reminded the soldiers that the Army "has much to be proud of" as it transforms for the 21st century.
"It is the preeminent land force in the world — and continues to be respected by our friends and feared by our enemies," he said. "We set the standard. We were part of the joint team that defeated the Taliban in Afghanistan and took down a brutal regime in Iraq."
Behind the scenes, Gen. Schoomaker already has begun to shake things up. Pentagon sources confirmed that in the past two weeks Army Gen. John Keane, who had been acting chief of staff, called 10 to 12 four-star, three-star and two-star generals to inform them that they are being retired.
Pentagon officials suggest that Gen. Keane cleaned house on orders from Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld to prepare the transformation playing field for Gen. Schoomaker. Gen. Keane maintains that the number of three-star retirements is not unusual.
The trade newsletter Inside the Pentagon reported that the ousted generals include Lt. Gen. John Caldwell, military deputy to the Army's civilian acquisition director; Lt. Gen. Joseph Cosumano, commanding general of the Army's Space and Missile Defense Command; and Lt. Gen. Dennis Cavin, commanding general of the Army Accessions Command.
Others tapped for replacement include Gen. Paul Kern, head of the Army Materiel Command; and Lt. Gen. Johnny Riggs, director of the Army Objective Force Task Force.
The generals are viewed as close to former Army Chief of Staff Gen. Eric Shinseki, who had a tense relationship with Mr. Rumsfeld.

http://www.gertzfile.com/gertzfile/ring080803.html

Another article:
http://www.newsreview.com/issues/reno/2004-05-13/election2.asp



While it *might* be true Bush didn't see that particular memo - Bush WAS indeed informed about the number of troops needed.

And then there's the Congressional hearings BEFORE the war

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A23381-2004Dec23.html

Anyone honestly believe the Army Chief of Staff told Congress something he didn't tell the President?


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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 06:42 PM
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10. Thanks, Solly Mack
for providing evidence that refutes another attempt at rewriting history.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 06:49 PM
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14. I well recall the build up to the Iraq invasion
Bush knew.
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 06:44 PM
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12. Exactly, Wilkerson may be covering for bush
54anickle asked this in post #1. Where will this wormy mess lead us. How is one to keep up with all the twist and turn of this admin.?
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 06:49 PM
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13. There's only one reason for them to lie about this
to distance Bush from any blame

Question is : who then becomes the fall guy? - cause someone will have to...the war ain't exactly getting more popular - and the finger of blame is getting itchy.
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 06:54 PM
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16. Damn this will make quite a movie
This whole thing is almost unbelievable, except it has been documented, at least much of it!!!! Thanks Solly
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 06:08 PM
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8. Either impeach him for lying about the war, or for incompetence.
A commander in chief is supposed to see all important memos, and know what he is getting into. Ignorance can't be an excuse.
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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 06:29 PM
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9. Whatta load of crock! Incurious George wasn't interested in the memo!
He didn't want to *see* the damned thing or anything even close to it and those were the instructions the sadistic little worm gave.

URGENT! Timing is critical to save earthquake victims before winter!
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allemand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 06:42 PM
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11. What's really funny about this is the idea that the memo would have
changed anything, had it only reached his desk. When will they understand that he simply doesn't read...(as Paul O'Neill reported in his book)?

:rofl:
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 10:09 PM
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29. Ding ding ding!
Bush has been told many times, in many different ways over the past 3 years that more troops were and are needed in Iraq. He has chosen to ignore that advice every time.

This is spin, probably intended to let BUsh and his supporters off of the hook to some degree.
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Einstein99 Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 07:10 PM
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18. I wish someone would explain to me
why Wilkerson is coming out with all this stuff now. Where was he last October and November?
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 07:10 PM
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19. The presidunce knew nothing
nothing at all. Maybe he wasn't around long enough during the day,, you know with all the bike riding and stuff.
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 07:16 PM
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21. Can't wait for him to use the Sgt Schultz defense during the impeachment
hearings...I know Nut-ting.

Will be even better to hear someone snap back at him "Dis-s-s-s-missed"
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wrate Donating Member (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 08:05 PM
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27. What a load of crap! Even some General was fired for stating
that many more troops were needed. Surely most everyone remembers this.
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 08:15 PM
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28. The rats are running for cover
"Pushing the envelope" equals war crimes.

"Cheney made me do it."

"I wish I had."
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 10:25 PM
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30. So, Gen. Shinseki's and Gen. Shalikashvili's recommendations meant nothing
I suppose.


And Gen. Franks was being browbeaten by Rumsfailed to get the troop size down to less than 150,000.

Rumsfailed's leaner military.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 11:56 PM
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31. Right! And We're Suppose to Believe The President
does not know, especially when it comes to taking us to war.

No-Way. Not buying it. They're trying to protect *2. It's not working in my neck of the words. It's TOO LATE. NO ONE else is buying it, either.
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choie Donating Member (899 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 02:08 AM
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33. and what about shinseki (spelling?)

Did'nt he tell the administration about the need for more troops, and was then fired? With all due respect to Wilkerson, who derserves at least some credit for coming out against Cheney, albeit a little late in the game, I think he's making excuses for Bush.
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ngGale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 02:38 AM
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34. "Plausible deniability" is not going to work...
this time.
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 02:45 AM
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35. Wouldn't have made a difference...he wouldn't have read it anyway.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 02:54 AM
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36. Liars, traitors, and criminals...did I mention liars?
:bounce: Won't you take me to, funky town :bounce:
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BamaBecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 07:51 AM
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37. Another effort to save "Bush"?????
I don't know
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Boo Boo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 07:51 AM
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38. "Turning to Iraq, he blamed Bush, for whom he voted twice..."
Twice?

I'm glad this guy is speaking out, but he's not playing with a full deck.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 07:56 AM
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39. Sounds like Wilerson is doing the soft shoe on junior's ass. n/t
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 07:57 AM
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40. oh, the ole * didn't get the memo, routine, eh?


peace
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