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emad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 10:58 AM Original message |
Foreign policy 'spurs Muslim extremism' |
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PDJane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
1. Quelle Surprise......... |
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ananda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
2. Didn't we all know that western foreign policy.. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
3. these headlines need to be in our press----all across the land! |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
4. so muslims should determine western foreign policy?? |
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Just Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 11:13 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. No. Muslims are members of "the people" and their interests must,... |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 11:17 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. we are talking foreign policy here, not domestic |
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IA_Seth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 11:23 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. No, but... |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 11:25 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. I believe foreign policy reflects a country's own interests |
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Just Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 11:47 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. You weren't referring to "other nations" but rather "Muslims". |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 11:51 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. what are you talking about?? |
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IA_Seth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 11:51 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Right, and then... |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 11:55 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. sure, the consequences of a particular policy should be analyzed |
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IA_Seth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 12:00 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. No |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 12:03 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. no, because I really don't believe that foreign policy causes |
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IA_Seth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 12:11 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. No, I dont think that is what I said. |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 12:19 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. mindful is fine, I agree with that |
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IA_Seth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 12:24 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. yeah ok..I was waiting for that.. |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 12:26 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. I'd love to hear some specifics you'd like to change |
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IA_Seth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 12:32 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. In a nutshell... |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 12:37 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. I agree with that |
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ktlyon (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 04:51 PM Response to Reply #20 |
44. we never have to sacrifice our ideals and values |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 05:29 PM Response to Reply #44 |
55. actually, I'd like to "feel" some concrete examples |
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pop goes the weasel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 12:17 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. you can think that, and you'd be wrong |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 12:25 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. taking into account is fine |
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pop goes the weasel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 12:08 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. a country's own interests |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 12:16 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. sure, but there are conflicting interests |
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pop goes the weasel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 12:41 PM Response to Reply #18 |
26. there's nothing in the article to suggest |
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happydreams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 03:03 PM Response to Reply #9 |
29. Extremely nationalistic approach even if it |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 03:25 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. of course it is nationalistic |
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Enhancer (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 05:02 PM Response to Reply #32 |
46. Little bit of forced relocation, with some "cleansing" is in order? |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 05:21 PM Response to Reply #46 |
51. can I get some freedom fries with that too?? |
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Enhancer (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 06:22 PM Response to Reply #51 |
61. Excellent. |
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happydreams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 03:01 PM Response to Reply #4 |
28. "Clash of Civilizations"!! That's the book |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
6. THE NEW TOTALITARIANISM |
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happydreams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 03:08 PM Response to Reply #6 |
31. Yep, Great post! |
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Diresu (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
27. Muslim Extremism has nothing to do with what the West does |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 03:07 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. France was correct in trying to stop America. They knew that the Bush |
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Diresu (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 03:54 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. France certainly did oppose the war |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 04:07 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. You will have an extremely difficult time proving that the Abu Gahrib |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 04:09 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. what was the reason for 9/11 then?? |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 04:12 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Nobody denies Muslim extremism. That is a given. The Iraqi Oil |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 04:21 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. nothing, but muslim extremism was there well before |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 04:25 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Don't know how you read that into my statement. I said that the Iraqi |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 04:30 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. yes |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 04:39 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. of course, your point is? That the Iraqi Oil War is a good thing??? |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 04:44 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. of course not, but going back to the original post |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 04:45 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. One last time, I never said that. I said the Iraqi Oil War fueled it. nt |
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Aimah (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 10:06 PM Response to Reply #42 |
94. I think the real question you're missing is... |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 07:31 PM Response to Reply #39 |
68. Where to start? |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 07:34 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. well, Saddam is still alive |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 07:39 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. Let's see: torture rooms -- check, use of chemical weapons -- check, |
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Diresu (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 04:42 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. true but.... |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 04:54 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Your opinion, I guess. Everyone has one. If you believe all that has |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 05:47 PM Response to Reply #45 |
57. The point I think that the other posters are making |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 05:56 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Yes of course, that was clear. My point is that I think that they have |
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Enhancer (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 05:04 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. Joseph Kony would disagree... |
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ElectroPrincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 05:07 PM Response to Reply #37 |
48. Yes, and we have done the Iraqi people a horrid dis-service by |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 05:12 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. and will you be even more ashamed when there is a civil war?? |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 05:14 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. There will be a civil war regardless. Staying there will only kill more |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 05:24 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. with a civil war many Iraqi civilians will die |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 05:31 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. That MAY be true and it MAY NOT. That is an unknown. What is a known |
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ElectroPrincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 05:22 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. We will decide to leave when TOO MANY of our troops have died |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 05:28 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. yes, so that means in a couple of years |
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ElectroPrincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 05:52 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. No, no pissing contest, but it AIN'T going to get any better ... |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 07:23 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. yes I agree |
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ElectroPrincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 07:27 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Bravo Bacchus39 ... |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 07:29 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. thank you, no real disagreement I think |
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ElectroPrincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 07:34 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. Yes, we must try, but I don't have much hope with THIS LEADERSHIP ... |
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IA_Seth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 06:00 PM Response to Reply #35 |
60. Reasons |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 07:25 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. are you rationalizing or justifying 9/11?? |
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Tom Bombadil (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 09:39 PM Response to Reply #64 |
92. How would you explain |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-05 12:23 AM Response to Reply #92 |
96. and how does understanding lead to victory?? |
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Tom Bombadil (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-05 08:38 AM Response to Reply #96 |
100. The ' global war on terror' |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-05 08:53 AM Response to Reply #100 |
101. you just said that in order to "defeat" this people |
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Tom Bombadil (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-05 10:42 AM Response to Reply #101 |
102. Perhaps defeat was the wrong word. |
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IA_Seth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-05 10:52 AM Response to Reply #64 |
104. LOL |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 07:01 PM Response to Reply #35 |
62. I can answer that... |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 07:26 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. you and the other poster are almost seem to be saying |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 07:36 PM Response to Reply #65 |
71. One way the Neocons keep the U.S. locked into the illegal wars |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 07:42 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. and I say they are not "reasons" at all |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 07:44 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Huh?? In all seriousness. what the hell does that have to do with 9/11? nt |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 07:47 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. infidels in Saudi Arabia. 1st Gulf War remember?? |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 07:56 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. I seriously do not know what the "others" are telling you. Really. |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 08:01 PM Response to Reply #81 |
86. yes, peace I agree, |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 09:08 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. Yes, but make no mistake, we disagree vehemently, absolutely, completely, |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-05 12:32 AM Response to Reply #89 |
99. so I see that |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-05 11:54 AM Response to Reply #99 |
107. Exactly! Just like Vietnam. Things only got better AFTER we left. Our |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 07:58 PM Response to Reply #74 |
82. That sounds like a "yes" answer to my question. |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 07:38 PM Response to Reply #65 |
72. Well, it appears as if you think 1-2 MORE years of American lives |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 07:45 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. and what is your plan?? is a civil war in Iraq preferable? |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 07:52 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. My plan. Pull out NOW! We CANNOT win in Iraq anymore than we |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 07:59 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. premature evacuation |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 08:01 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. I heard that same statement what 30 years ago. Guess what? It was wrong! n |
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ElectroPrincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 07:47 PM Response to Reply #72 |
78. No, I want to get our troops out as soon as possible ... |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 07:49 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. agreed, they can't be pulled out in time for happy hour tomorrow |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 07:59 PM Response to Reply #78 |
84. I know your feelings Princess! But I respectfully disagree. With Bush at |
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ElectroPrincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 09:59 PM Response to Reply #84 |
93. Understood. No offense taken, I wish we would not have gone in at all :( |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 08:22 PM Response to Reply #65 |
87. Don't put words into my mouth... |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 08:48 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. yet you attempt to explain it |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 09:10 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. Because you were ignorant of it... |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-05 12:26 AM Response to Reply #90 |
97. of course its difficult |
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Aimah (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 10:26 PM Response to Reply #88 |
95. Why do people use that excuse? |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-05 12:28 AM Response to Reply #95 |
98. and the reason is?? |
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Aimah (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-05 01:40 PM Response to Reply #98 |
108. Going to Paradise for What? |
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IA_Seth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-05 10:47 AM Response to Reply #95 |
103. Thank you. |
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BoogDoc7 (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-05 11:29 AM Response to Reply #30 |
105. Of course... |
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Tom Bombadil (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-05 09:23 PM Response to Reply #27 |
91. What happened in France was not |
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emad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-05 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
106. Maybe this will sink home in the White House.. |
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