11/2 CBS poll: More Bad News For Bush (35% approval!)

[deadparrot]

(CBS) Most Americans believe someone in the Bush Administration did leak Valerie Plame's name to reporters – even though Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald indicted no one for doing that. Half of the public describes the matter as something of great importance to the country, and this poll finds low assessments of both the President and the Vice President – with the President's overall approval rating dropping again to its lowest point ever.

The nomination of Samuel Alito to the Supreme Court has had minimal impact so far, and assessments of the war in Iraq remain negative – with more than ever before saying the Administration was less than honest in discussing their reasons for war.

There is one less dark spot — perhaps reflecting lower gas prices, far fewer now than one month ago are pessimistic about the future of the economy.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/11/02/opinion/polls/main1005252.shtml?CMP=ILC-SearchStories

Lots of particulars here:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/11/02/opinion/polls/main1005327.shtml?CMP=ILC-SearchStories

[Zynx]

1. This is getting to the point where Republicans will avoid him like the

plague in '06.

[LiberalFighter]

62. I guess gw's nomination of Alito didn't give him much of a boost

What is wrong with those conservatives? Didn't they get what they want from their idiot leader?

[Roarin]

90. A lot of woman see the right's sexism up close and personal after Miers.

The merciless miering of Miers to replace SCJ O'Connor with a male took the cake.

[radfringe]

84. interesting poll.....

http://www.pollingreport.com/

[patdem]

127. In VA Senator Allen will not come to the aid of Kilgore because of bush*

poll numbers..and the fact that Kilgore will probably not win because of bush*...so Allen needs to avoid all the losers if he wants to be considered for the 2008 presidential race...:rofl:

[ThumperDumper]

2. I think we need to make sure...

the question(s) any and every Republican who runs for (re)election ever again needs to answer is:

"Do you agree with Bush on (insert anything here)"

Make them choose to be a "Bush Republican" or "NOT".

Divide and conquer.

.

[niallmac]

3. Can't that 35% be made to register

like sex offenders so we know where they live? I don't want the kids around them.:hide:

[tabasco]

13. They need to go register for the Army !

Nobody is joining up so they are calling up old farts like me.

WTF are these people thinking??

[alittlelark]

27. If they were to 'register' they would have their dreams come true!!!

An Army of 90 million or so!!! They could take care of that pesky Iraq problem....

They could create the Uber-erect AmeriKKKan Empire they have wet dreams over!!!

They could spread over the globe conquoring country after country until....?????

Japan and Germany can answer that question.

[KayLaw]

92. Seriously!

If one of my neighbors thinks it's a good idea to invade my house, steal my stuff, rape me and my children, force my family members to engage in perverted sexual activity, torture us with electricity and other devices, then justify it by saying, Well, that KayLaw mighta' bought one a' them them shotguns and 'acome at me with the durn thing. . .well, hey, I want to know that psycho's name and whereabouts!

[Erika]

4. Katrina hurt W badly

It showed he has little compassion, little ability to appoint effective people, and no ability to hold himself accountable. In other words, no leadership capability.

[PurityOfEssence]

8. boy did it ever

The core of his "appeal" is his being decisive and forthright. In this situation he was clay-footed, bumbling and showed that his prime concern was for his image. Katrina is over. Although opinions of many events (such as the intel run-up to the Iraq war or the '00 election) will change over time, the verdict of Katrina is in and unchangeable.

He literally failed dismally on the very character traits that were used to define him, and it was a real eye-opener.

This was a colossal P.R. failure, and it will hurt him more than any other misstep.

[calimary]

61. And he was softened up for Katrina by Cindy Sheehan. She singlehandedly

yanked the focus back on the war late in the summer when he, on the other hand, was doing what? Kicking back on his lazy good-for-NOTHING ass on another vacation he didn't deserve and certainly didn't work for. She, on the other hand, put a human face on the tragedy of this war, which we had not had before. We didn't have coffins on the news. No funerals were covered, and george couldn't possibly be bothered to make time to attend any. There was no news coverage of the body bags being unloaded at Dover Air Force base. Complete lockdown. So all we had were people like us - dismissed as malcontents and Saddam-lovers. Then came Cindy, whose situation FORCED even hostile press people to refer to her as "grieving mother." Yeah. So what do you DARE to do, in attacking or demonizing a critic who is widely described as a "grieving mother"? Answer - not a whole heckuva lot. ANYONE who dared to tarnish her or swiftboat her looked like a cold, heartless, callous meanie (as they WERE and STILL ARE). The assholes who would attack her were really put in a box. It was frickin' BRILLIANT!!!!

So when his lordship refused to meet with her, and smirked for the cameras as he chuckled dismissively about her having a "right" to her opinions, he wound up looking like a cold, heartless, callous, meanie, too.

And then came Katrina. Cindy left him knocked down on the mat, having suffered a whole bunch of deft jabs from an unexpectedly formidable opponent. And then came Katrina to close the deal.

And the rest, as you and other posters have pointed out, is history.

He has YET to recover. These are body blows. He has YET to recover, and there's been little time to stop and catch his breath. And thus weakened, other punches are starting to come in from OTHER opponents who now see new openings and new soft spots that weren't there before. He's a fighter going down. Every punch from one of these episodes hits a little harder, into a soft spot that's even softer and more broken. He's losing momentum, and if more fair-weather friends from his own party, AND those who went along reluctantly because other monsters in the GOP muscled them into even semi-unwilling complicity, he'll just keep losing more and more.

WHAT WE CANNOT DO NOW IS LET UP. Now that he's on the ropes, we CANNOT give him a chance to recover. We CANNOT AFFORD THAT. Generosity is for donations to the Democratic candidate of your choice, or the hurricane survivor of your choice, or some other worthy person/cause. NOT for bush. NO MERCY.

NO MERCY. DON'T GIVE AN INCH. DON'T LET HIM HAVE A SINGLE INSTANT TO REGROUP, OR CATCH HIS BREATH, OR GET ANY REST.

NO MERCY.

We could clinch this, folks. As long as we don't A) give up or B) get complacent. THIS IS NOT OVER YET.

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[Old and In the Way]

82. Yeah, well, mispreceptions die hard.

"we were better taken care of under Republican presidents then Democratic ones while serving."

Clinton's Army was the best prepared and best trained...ever. When Bush is done, he'll have wrecked the army and crippled healthcare for the large numbers of veterens returning home. The troops are getting screwed going and coming back.

Hillary could kick any Republican's ass in the next election with one caveat: voter verified paper ballots.

[Shipwack]

87. Well...

First of all, welcome to DU, catholic27!

Second, what disrespect of soldiers are you talking about? Time and time again, the war protesters have been saying that they support the troops, just not this illegal/immoral war they are in. Why should you be upset at war protesters "who would never make that sacrifice", yet have no ire for the chicken hawk Young Republicans, who'd rather drink beer while urging the administration to keep you there to die? Why not be upset at the yellow cowards like Rumsfeld, who openly and publicly mocked the generals that disagreed with him? Or Wolfowitz, who cared so little about the troops he thought only 200 had died instead of the several hundred that it actually was (at the time)?

As an active duty sailor who has served under several different Administration over my 20 years, Republicans have done more to screw up the military (especially the deck-plate/runway/ground-pounding personnel)than Democrats. We've only recently recovered from Reagan's "600 ship navy" fiasco....

On the other hand, if you own defense stocks, Republicans are very good for you.

[leftchick]

88. have you been to a VA hospital lately?

you better hurry before the repukes get their way and privatize Veteran Health care and slash the rolls.

[CJCRANE]

89. You make some good points

but, even if soldiers enjoy fighting and are happy to just do what they're told, it's up to their civilian leaders to use them in a responsible way. The war in Iraq has made the world less safe and created more terrorists.

As for Hillary, she could do well against Condi, but she isn't the favourite round here by a long shot. Most DUers prefer General Wesley Clark (and prob about a half a dozen others before Hillary).

[Robeson]

76. Good call calimary....

...they've been on their heels ever since.

[cliss]

79. I LOVE your post, Calimary.

It's frameable, but I can't click 'print' because I'd get the whole darn string of 78+ posts. But - I'll nominate it instead.

Very true, all of it.

[I Have A Dream]

123. You might get what you want if you click 'Printer friendly'...

in the bottom right corner of the post.

[HarveyBrooks]

121. Yep...

The best time to kick a man is when he's down.
The best place to kick him is below the belt.

[samsingh]

91. i think the moment he turned to brown and said

'you're doing a heck of a job brownie' crystallized the stupidity and incompetance of * like nothing else has ever done.

one small flippant comment showed how out of touch * really was, and with no human enemies to blame, left his stupidity in the open for all to observe and take in.

[I Have A Dream]

124. Yes, I think that it really showed that he also doesn't have...

the ability to empathize with what the Katrina victims were going through or even what the average American goes through every day.

[adigal]

5. Damn. I'm going to have to stop calling Bush Mr. 39%

and change it to Mr. 35%.

You know how hard it is to get used to a new name!

[patdem]

6. I recalled he bottomed out at 45%..then 40% was as low as he could

possibility go..then 39% was the worst ever polled ever..now it is 35%...WOW! that is series!!11!

[Blackthorn]

17. I've read unconfirmed reports...

...that private GOP polling has him down at 29%.

[hang a left]

21. And that is probably the real truth.

29% and falling. He is a disaster.

[Kurovski]

72. Count on it.

it is that low.

It's going lower.

[Radio_Lady]

58. Holy shit, could it go any lower? ::gleefully smiling and dancing around::

[Mithras61]

65. Speculation based on other numbers in the poll...

I think the "Shrub caught killing babies on the White House lawn & using the bodies for field goal practice - 20% would still vote for him" number is.

[yorkiemommie1]

18. and hugh !!!!!111

tho i hope it gets hugh-er

[Mark E. Smith]

7. Bush is getting down into "Crazy Uncle" territory now

It is getting to the point where you have to wonder if anything coming out of the White House is really relevant anymore.

Hasn't Congress pretty much taken the reins?

[jazzjunkysue]

20. LOL! Crazy uncle!

More cowbell!

[twaddler01]

9. so he falls even further

into the rabbit hole. Surprise surprise...*sarcasm off*

[Dogmudgeon]

10. Absolute Zero for Bush is now about 10%

He's alienated about half his "base" of Fundies, so if he was caught passing the codes to our nuclear arsenal to Osama Bin Laden, he'd still have about 10% support.

Of course, that might be worth the risk to him. If Osama nukes NYC, Bush's popularity could make a comeback to 98 or 99% in a week's time.

--p!
I'm good -- I've got my cheap plastic flags ready.

[99Pancakes]

66. Nuking NYC kills Democrats

Big cites are typically blue. Me thinks Shrubby wouldn't mind a few more metro areas bombed off the US map. Hey, look at how he and his cronies sat around and watched the Dems of New Orleans drown by the hundreds. (poetic justice was watching the ones that lived flood Texas with new votes for the Democrats. Ha!)

[Roarin]

93. Only the male Fundies are left on the right.

Any politician who votes to replace O'Connor with a male is a sell out to all women, even to the ones on the right.<P>
Funny how that works isn't?

[kurth]

11. "It's important for people to know that I'm the president of ONE-THIRD"

"It's important for people to know that I'm the president of everybody, and that I don't sit down in the White House and say, these people voted for me, therefore I'm going to focus policy this way."
- George W. Bush, January 16, 2005

[Diane R]

12. One year to the day after he 'won' the election.

Wonder what Diebold could do to these poll numbers.

[Deja Q]

14. Reminds me of "Goin' Down", somehow...

Floatin' down the river
With a saturated liver
And I wish I could forgive her
But I do believe she meant it
When she told me to forget it
And I bet she will regret it
When they find me in the morning wet and drowned
And the word gets 'round
Goin' down
Goin' down

Coming' up for air
It's pretty stuffy under there
I'd like to say I didn't care
But I forgot to leave a note
And it's so hard to stay afloat
I'm soakin' wet without a boat
And I knew I should have taken off my shoes
It's front page news
Goin' down
Goin' down

I wish I had another drink
It wouldn't be so hard to sink
I should have taken time to think
Besides I got the picture straight
She must have had another date
I didn't need this extra weight
I wish that I could see the way to shore
Don't want no more
Goin' down
I'm goin' down

And now I see the life I led
I slept it all away in bed
I should have learned to swim instead
And now it's really got me stumped
I can't believe why I jumped
I'd like to get my tummy pumped
I can't believe they drink this stuff in town
This dirty brown
Goin' down
Goin' down

I wish I looked before I leaped
I didn't know it was so deep
Been down so far I don't get wet
Haven't touched the bottom yet
This river scene is gettin' old
I'm hungry, sleepy, wet and cold
She told me to forget it nice
I should have taken her advice
I only want to go on home
I'd gladly leave that girl alone
What a way to spend the night
If I don't drown, I'll die of fright
My pappy taught me how to float
But I can't swim a single note
He threw me in to teach me how
I stayed there floatin' like a mama cow
And now I've floated way down stream
I know this has to be a dream
If I could find my way to shore
I'd never, never do this anymore
I'll give you three, I've been down nine
I'm goin' down just one more time.
Goin' down.
Goin' down.

Now the sky is gettin' light
An everything will be alright
Think I finally got the knack
Just floatin' here lazy on my back
I never really liked that town
I think I'll ride the river down
Just movin' slow and floatin' free
There's a river swingin' under me.
Waving back to the folks on shore
I should have thought of this before
I'm floatin' on down to New Orleans
Goin' to pick up on some swingin' scenes
I know I'll know a better day
I'll go down groovin' all the way
Goin' down
Goin' down

[yorkiemommie1]

23. how apt....

'I wish I had another drink
It wouldn't be so hard to sink....


...I wish I looked before I leaped
I didn't know it was so deep
Been down so far I don't get wet
Haven't touched the bottom yet....


...heh heh....

[louis-t]

122. Always liked that song.

Lots of words. I was really impressed with the way Mickey Dolenz delivered it. Proved he could sorta sing.

[Arugula Latte]

15. This is great news.

I got sick of it hovering at 39/40 percent.

To quote the B-52s: "DOWN! Down! Down! Down!"

:party:

[Patsy Stone]

16. I mean, really...

How low can it go? Do we have an office pool?

[PurityOfEssence]

19. I don't know, sweetie baby, that's gotta be about the bottom

Baby sweetie.

It's a fine coalition of the anti-tax greedheads, the psychotic megachristians, the Israel acolytes and the simply mean and stupid, but somewhere around a third feels about right.

If ever a vicious bullying nobody deserved to be humiliated, he's the guy, but expecting any less is a might low...

Then again, these are days of dazzling confusion; who knows?

[Patsy Stone]

26. Yes, sweetie, darling.

They do all suck. I'd be willing to say 30% if Scooter's trial goes badly and Fitz comes back with additional indictments.

Cheers! Pass the Bolly and the :popcorn:

[Miss Chybil]

22. Cheney 19% approval

Like I said in another thread... must be his relatives.

[Uncle Joe]

126. I can understand the 1% approval but what is wrong with the other 18%?

:shrug:

[jazzjunkysue]

24. Poe-lee-tee-kal KKa-pee-tul Say, Bye Bye!

Bye bye!

[oxbow]

25. Geez, they buried his approval rating deep in that article! nt.

[nradisic]

28. Bush Approval rating down to 35% - CBS News Poll

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/11/02/eveningnews/main1005982.shtml

Bush is tanking. I think 'The Fat Lady" just sang!

[jazzjunkysue]

29. More Cowbell!!!!!! Bravo! Encore!

:evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin:
:bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce:

[brentspeak]

42. I'm tellin' you fellas...

you're gonna want that cowbell!

[wookie294]

44. Easy guys. I put my pants on one leg at a time

Except, when my pants are on, I make GOLD RECORDS!

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

49. Babies.. before we're done here.. y'all be wearing gold-plated

diapers.

[jazzjunkysue]

51. Dropping faster than Wiley E Cayote off a cliff

It's a freefall!

Quick! Get the viagra. He's goin' down!!!

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

53. Does that mean he's at his Acme?

:shrug:

[Miss Chybil]

30. Cheney 19% approval

Must be his relatives...

[Blackthorn]

34. They're-a-duplicates.

Don't you know what duplicates are?

"Sure, there's those 5 kids up in Canada."

[Arugula Latte]

31. Fucking GREAT news.

Up yours with a red-hot rusty metal cactus sculpture, Bushies!

[Gronk Groks]

39. Well THAT sounds nasty....

...and entirely deserved. Mind if I steal the phrase?

[Arugula Latte]

45. Please, be my guest.

:evilgrin:

[VaYallaDawg]

115. Ouch!!! (But terrific)

[marmar]

32. Yeah, it seems to beyond salvaging at this point...

:nopity: :nopity:

But beware of rats when they're cornered and desperate.

[Gronk Groks]

40. He is not dead (politically) yet...

...and when he is down you don't stop kicking till he stops moving...
...and then a few more times for good measure; after all shrub and chestnut are the ones who thought torture was ok !!!!

[AndyTiedye]

56. Just Pining for the Fjords

He is not dead (politically) yet...

[EC]

33. I came to the conclusion yesterday that he is just about

irrelevant...no one is paying any attention to him anymore...

[Kahuna]

35. Yeah Baby! Yeah!

[aquart]

36. Sorry. I feel these numbers can go lower.

The eternally delusional come it at, I'm thinking, 27%.

[left is right]

47. 27% by Thanksgiving

:bounce:

[AlinPA]

54. How many right-wing/conservatives (%) are there in the US? Seems

to me that he has hit bottom. I think (no data to back it up) that there must be around 35% right-wing/conservatives.

[mike_c]

37. I won't rest until the poll is about the guilty verdict...

...in his war crimes trial. He's still in office. His numbers can keep going down.

[BootinUp]

38. *whistling sound from falling bomb*

I am enjoying this.

[brentspeak]

41. If more people would finally get their heads out from under the sand

his approval rating would be closer to 3.5%

[Metta]

43. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

That bastard.

[Davis_X_Machina]

46. Yeah, but that's the 35% with the guns. n/t

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

50. Not necessarily.

[Nostradammit]

73. Not by a long shot, baby - not by a long shot...

.

[JudyM]

48. Just got off the phone with my rethug dad; he now regrets voting for *

Said he had dinner with a bunch of friends tonight, none of them likes chimpy any more. That is hugh!

[jazzjunkysue]

52. Please tell you father we forgive him. "They knew not what they did"

[JudyM]

64. Crazy, isn't it? Now if only we can carry this through to 2006 elections!

[BillZBubb]

69. Speak for yourself! I don't forgive any idiot that voted for Chimpy.

It was unforgivable to vote for him in 2004. All his failures were public knowledge and his plans for the future were as well.

I hope the guy is suffering financially. Tens of thousands died needlessly because of assholes like him who voted for Busholini.

[HarveyBrooks]

120. Speak for yourself...

Personally, I'll NEVER forgive anyone that voted for that scum - especially after they saw what he did the first 4 years.

[Mach V]

55. Libby Arraignment Tomorrow

CASE NUMBER: 1:2005-cr-00394-RBW Judge Walton
USA vs LIBBY
11/03/2005 10:30AM Courtroom 5 Arraignment

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
333 Constitution Ave., NW
Washington, DC 20001



If you are in DC, bring your signs to help maintain a media presence on this case.

Libby Arraignment Tomorrow

[I Have A Dream]

125. Welcome to DU, Mach V! Glad to have you here!

:toast:

[Beetwasher]

57. Pathetic.

What else needs to be said?

[Kolesar]

59. Majority believe in ghosts. Majority don't believe in evolution.

According to the links below on the first page/url. :banghead:

[goforit]

60. The King of Corruption plummets!!!.....Step up America!!!

[BlueStater]

63. Check out that picture of the douche accompanying the CBS poll. LOL!

Looks like he's about to cry.

[natrat]

67. when GM goes belly up he looses another 5%

[WhiteTara]

68. I hope Bush has his well deserved nervous

breakdown in public. That would really make my day.

[BillZBubb]

71. That would be AWESOME!

The anointed one melts down on national television. I would have a party after that!

[DrRang]

116. The fundies would claim he was speaking in tongues. n/t

[TexasLawyer]

70. Imagine how low his ratings would go

if major media outlets in this country didn't operate like Pravda.

[oustemnow]

97. yeah, no shit--even in this article

Look at the first line: Most Americans believe someone in the Bush Administration did leak Valerie Plame's name to reporters – even though Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald indicted no one for doing that.

Should be, "even though Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald's investigation is still ongoing and he has not yet indicted anyone for it."

But no, they have to get that right-wing talking point in there right up front.

[Norquist Nemesis]

74. "The Bush Administration" leaked it

So there are two choices:

1) Bush knew and didn't give a shit about national security
2) Bush had no clue which means he has none of the leadership skills it takes to run a country

[Chicago Democrat]

77. More voters prefer Bush than a lake of pig shit

so that's something...

[nolabels]

83. Yea but isn't * and a lake of pig shit synonymous?

:puke:

[Robeson]

78. It couldn't happen to a more deserving guy.

[demobrit]

80. Approval rating so what

Approval ratings , what are they for , what point do they make .
The damage has been done , his disastrous legacy will affect the World for a millenium and more .
1% approval rating who cares , he can still do more damage before he goes and will Congress do anything about it?:banghead:

[loudsue]

81. "Camilla" has better ratings that shrub! That says something!

There are more people in the U.S. that think Camilla, Prince Charles' new bride, is ok, than think our own president is ok.

:nuke:

[Roarin]

85. Bush is weak after the SC nominations.

The right wing is out of his control and the sane are bailing in droves.

[superconnected]

86. I just don't see where this matters

It won't get him out of office. We're stuck with him for 3 years. He's doing far more damage than ever. There may be no help at all for the elderly, disabled and poor after this year let alone the crap he's going to do in his last few years when it's just a free run to pass anything he wants.

He's too scary and it's only getting worse. I doubt his administration cares about polls.

[mac56]

94. Unpopular presidents don't get their bills passed.

Look what they did to Jimmy Carter.

[HereSince1628]

95. Exactly, his once loyal congress will run away from him.

Unlike Bush, THEY want to get re-elected. They want todemonstrate they are closer to popular sentiment.

More proof Bush the chickenhawk has sprouted the webbed feet of a
a lame duck.

[Zynx]

96. Here's how it matters: 2006

We nail the Republicans to Bush and make every election a referendum on his presidency. 55% say it is a failure. It's simple logic from that point.

[UpInArms]

98. E&P: CBS Poll Finds Public Takes Plamegate Seriously

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001433090

NEWYORK One particular number in the new CBS poll released Wednesday has drawn most of the interest: President Bush's approval rating plunging to 35%, his worst standing ever and the lowest mark recorded in decades. But buried in the lengthy survey was an appraisal of the salience of the current Plame/CIA leak case scandal that is equally revealing.

It shows that, contrary to some reports this week from leading conservative columnists, the public does take this issue seriously, indeed.

Some 51% said it is already of "great importance," with 35% choosing "some importance" and 12% "little or not importance." Here are comparable numbers for other notable scandals in recent years, along with the month and year the poll was taken:

...more...

[rodeodance]

99. sweet

[greekspeak]

100. Let me see....this is the librul media attacking Christ Incarnate again

Is that what the RW pundits are saying? Or are they saying it is all Clinton's fault?

[Mandate My Ass]

101. wow, the repukes win again. all their scandals were way more important

--Clinton-Lewinsky (1/98)

Great importance - 41%
Some importance - 21%
Little/no importance - 37%

--Whitewater (3/94)

Great importance - 20%
Some importance - 29%
Little/no importance - 45%

--Iran-Contra (2/87)

Great importance - 48%
Some importance - 33%
Little/no importance - 19%

--Watergate (5/73; Gallup Poll)

Great importance - 53%
Some importance - 25%
Little/no importance - 22%


And I notice that despite the extremely lackadaisical propagandanews coverage, the public knows this is a big deal.

[Rowdyboy]

102. Those numbers are potentially devastating.....

Apparently,, people actually are listening.

[UpInArms]

103. from those numbers, it might be

thought that only 12% are actual kool-aid drinkers.

[ClintonTyree]

104. I guess the Repiglicken meme that "nobody cares about this".....

isn't holding water. They're running out of ways to spin this, someone might actually have to take responsibility for once and we al know who that someone is. Members of his own party are calling for a "clean sweep" of the White House, that "new blood" is needed to right the severely listing ship of state. Will "little boots" bush listen, or will he, as always ignore criticism and "stay the course". His inaction on this issue could very well be the deciding factor for next year's mid-term elections. There are some very nervous Repiglickens out there at the moment and their anxiety will only heighten as we get closer to November, 2006. I look for things to get pretty nasty in the coming months with an all-out revolution a serious possibility.
If bush doesn't do something, anything, the Repiglickens are in deep doo-doo come fall of '06. If the Democrats gain seats in both the House and Senate bush's already faltering agenda will be completely worthless. He'll be able to spend as much time as he wants to clearing brush in Crawford, there certainly won't be anything for him to do in Washington.

[UpInArms]

105. if past is prologue,

the idiotsonofanutjob will not reverse a Custer decision.

[tenshi816]

106. But, but, but I thought Bill O'Reilly

said that "the people" just don't "get" Plamegate, and aren't interested in it, and we all know Bill wouldn't lie, would he? Goodness gracious me, I can't imagine that...
:sarcasm:

[progressoid]

107. Tee hee. I hear lots of RW gasbags saying that.

Only seems to be true of the 10-20% that are complete morans. The rest of us are interested in it. Sorry billy.

[Patiod]

108. My conservative Catholic dad is horrified by this

In his black-and-white world, you don't out CIA agents. Period.

I'm sure he's not alone in his thinking.

[muriel_volestrangler]

111. Yes, I'd imagine there are a lot like that

They'd support a president, as long as he supports the troops and, by extension, CIA agents. But if he screws with them for political purposes, he becomes a traitor.

[TheCowsCameHome]

109. It should be taken seriously.

[progressoid]

110. Watergate was 53%. Iran Contra 48% Plamegate 51% HMMM.....

Sounds serious to me.

[Bragi]

112. Is the RW spin machine collapsing?

Numbers like these make you wonder if things aren't a-changing big time right now.

- O

[Surya Gayatri]

113. Pretty revealing & damning

when you consider the percentage of the public that get their news from the right-wing pundits. How did all of these people even find out about Plame/Treasongate, given the dirth of coverage until just recently? SG

:shrug:

[yellowcanine]

114. Whoa: CIA leak of more importance than Watergate.

CIA Leak: Great + some importance = 86%
Watergate: 78%
Iran Contra: 81%
Lewinsky: 62%
Whitewater 49%

Lets do the numbers.......

HOW IMPORTANT TO THE NATION IS THE CIA LEAK MATTER?
CIA Leak
Great importance
51%
Some importance
35%
Little/no importance
12%

Clinton-Lewinsky (1/98)
Great importance
41%
Some importance
21%
Little/no importance
37%

Whitewater (3/94)
Great importance
20%
Some importance
29%
Little/no importance
45%

Iran-Contra (2/87)
Great importance
48%
Some importance
33%
Little/no importance
19%

Watergate (5/73; Gallup Poll)
Great importance
53%
Some importance
25%
Little/no importance
22%

[catmandu57]

117. I'm telling you, wait until next spring

If there isn't a lynch mob in front of the whitehouse I'll be very surprised. There are a whole fuckload of factors that will be coming into play over the next few months, we will be emerging from a cold dark winter where many will be lost from choosing either to buy food, heat, medicine, fuel, and other necessities.
Being programmed to buy, buy, buy for christmas and suffering from guilt people will out of habit pull out the plastic,and have heart attacks when the bills come due.
The situation in Iraq will not be getting any better either, there is a shitstorm rolling our way, but the suffering is going to lead to the destruction of the repukes.

[RamboLiberal]

118. He's down to 41% in North Carolina - I'd love to see all the

* voting states. Wasn't it something like <=5 that he has over 50% a few weeks ago?

http://www.newsobserver.com/politics/story/2827584p-9276813c.html

President Bush's approval rating in North Carolina continues to decline, according to a poll released Friday by Elon University.
The poll found that 41 percent of those questioned approve of Bush's handling of the job of president. That is down from 45 percent in a poll Elon did in April and 52 percent from a poll the university did in March.

WHAT THE POLLSTER SAYS

"Certainly, the Bush administration seems to be in a rut with the public," said Hunter Bacot, director of the Elon University Poll. "We can say it's the war or the economy, both of which are almost indisputably playing into his poor evaluations, but we also have to consider the events surrounding Hurricane Katrina, the grand jury investigations and now the failure of the president's Supreme Court nominee."

<snip>

* That fewer North Carolinians approve of Bush's handling of the war in Iraq. Less than 39 percent of those surveyed approve of how Bush is handling the war, down from 45 percent in a poll the university did in March.

* That 51 percent of those surveyed said the U.S. should not be in Iraq, while 43 percent agreed with U.S. involvement in Iraq.

[Maggie_May]

119. I just want to ask those people the 37%

What has Bush done for them while he has been in office?
I really would like to know. Has anyone have a answer to my question?
I can't think of one thing. The only thing I have heard is that he gave them a tax break. What these people don't understand is they might have got a tax break but they are now paying higher prices on health care energy costs food etc etc.