Canada blasts Iran for seeking Israeli destruction

[ECH1969]

OTTAWA (Reuters) - Canada strongly condemned Iran's president on Wednesday for urging that Israel be "wiped off the map," saying the comments were particularly worrying because of Tehran's nuclear ambitions.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad made his remarks on Wednesday, the official IRNA news agency reported.

"This is the 21st century. We cannot tolerate comments of such hatred, such anti-Semitism, such intolerance," Foreign Minister Pierre Pettigrew told reporters.

"And these comments are all the more troubling (given) that we know of Iran's nuclear ambitions. So I think it is very important that all countries do stand up together to make sure that we do not accept that Iran continues a nuclear program."

http://ca.today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=domesticNews&storyID=2005-10-26T211746Z_01_YUE650356_RTRIDST_0_CANADA-IRAN-ISRAEL-CANADA-COL.XML&archived=False

[CatBoreal]

1. My goodness.....

...Pettigrew grew some cajones???

Will wonders never cease?

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

2. But but Canada's a lefto anti-Semitic anti-American pro-terraist country!

Andthey speak FRENCH! It can't be!

[ECH1969]

12. lol

[applegrove]

3. Well - I hope Iran now looses support for their nuclear power plants.

That is what happens when you talk of genocide as if it is a "good thing". The Koran says nothing against Israelis being in Israel. In fact - that is where the Koran wants Israelis to be.

So whoever the new head of Iran is - he is starting trouble. He must very much want to take over the Shite part of Iraq or something. Cause he is not for dialing down the threats!!!

[applegrove]

4. The UN should embargo all selling of lamb to Iran (all their lamb comes

from Australia & New Zealand).

[Larkspur]

5. Iran must have their own version of Pat Robertsonitis

That's the first thing I thought when I saw this Iranian boast.

[anotherdrew]

10. unfortunately

natures way of dealing with pat roberson types is for them to kill each other off. Nowadays though, they're going to try to take as many of us with themselves as they can.

[geek tragedy]

6. Now they're in trouble.

Canada's wrath is to be feared . . .

[anotherdrew]

9. this is a bell-weather surely. Iran has gone too far now

I'm a bit shocked actually, I really thought maybe they were getting over it. I mean, it's not like they do shit for the palestinians. Why are they so obsessed about israel? This is suicidal behavior why in hell would Iran want more war? Do they really think this terrorism shits going to be a way to fight a war? Do they think it's not going to come home to them in an awful way? Madness.

[sofa king]

33. Because the only way to defeat America is to broaden the conflict.

They're stepping up their rhetoric now because the PNAC's plan to use Iraq as a springboard for invasion of Iran and Syria is working to some extent. Iraq is a shitty place to be right now, but it is a base from which America will some day soon begin to project its power.

But right now, America can barely keep Iraq contained with the troops it has. Iran's threat of broadening the conflict right now could present a problem which the United States is unable to effectively address (our armed forces are, by most accounts, operating at peak capacity right now).

I need not point out that support for both the war and the President who started it are at a low ebb. So now is a great time to try to avert a future invasion by forcing the Americans declare victory and leave.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

27. Wow. Feel the love... (nt)

[Gyre]

7. Utterly clueless statement

The depth of ignorance relating to their situation is astonishing. I'm a frequent critic of Israel, and I think this is appalling!

Gyre

[anotherdrew]

8. ya know... Iran has crossed a line here... My opinion on iran has shifted

I've been oh so willing to believe their talk of wanting nuke reactors just for electric generation. I thought they had turned a corner, just wanted to make Iran a nice place to live, ya know, develop and such, make peace with other countries, etc. I thought maybe they were done with this type of bullshit. But no. They have basically declared war on Israel. Haven't they? Why should a nation take such threats as anything less?

If it is not possible, ever, for Iran and the rest to live with Israel, then war is inevitable, isn't it?

[jayfish]

19. I'd Be Interested In Seeing An Independent Translation Of This...

supposed declaration of war.

Jay

[daleo]

29. Your caution is warranted

This sounds like propaganda. The IRNA article link yesterday had a much different tone.

[AngryAmish]

35. Iran's leaders have been saying this stuff for years

The president of Iran doesn't really run anything. All laws and actions of the state can be vetoed by a council of ayatollas. They run everything. Iran is literally a theocracy.

[leesa]

11. But Israel can threaten and send US troops to attack its neighbors

whenever they want. Didn't Sharon say almost the exact same thing about Muslims? I am so sick of this double standard we have for poor little nuclear weapon laden, US dollar drenched Israel.

[Behind the Aegis]

13. What a wonderfully stupid statement.

Glad to see the "Israel runs the US" meme isn't dead. :eyes:

[anotherdrew]

14. well... but... uh...

"Glad to see the "Israel runs the US" meme isn't dead."

not sure what you mean but, Didn't Ariel say so?
I suppose this quote is fake:
"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.

maybe it is fake, I don't know. Of course, I would expect he meant in a limited sense that americans wouldn't seem to be willing to actually DO anything, and so there would be no will in congress to 'punish' israel for anything, within very wide limits.

nonetheless I haven't seen them politically openly calling for total destruction of all arab nations. The most hawkish Israeli's don't have popular support to do any such thing (even tho they do say such things, from time to time, they don't do it in public view much).

Perhaps this Iranian president was just saying what a small niche constituency wanted to hear, but it's hard to see how he can go so far and not have it be taken seriously as a direct threat. For instance, he almost seems to be saying they ARE behind the suicide and rocket attacks of recent days. This has always been diplomatically denied. Surely this is a big change?

[pelsar]

15. the quote is fake....

http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=6&x_article=34

[anotherdrew]

18. thanks for the info, still, Iran has screwed themselves big-time with this

I'll have to check that camera site out more.

[Behind the Aegis]

17. and...

every source I have seen is from the now defunct IAP news. The story is all over the web from places like The Independent Palestinian Information Network to hate sites. I have not seen one legitimate news source repeating this "quote." In leftist sources, it is reported that Israel Radio (Kol Yisrael), reported this exchange. But what they did not report was "CAMERA pointed out to Geyer’s editors that the Sharon “quote” originated on a pro-Hamas website (the Islamic Association for Palestine), and that it had not been corroborated by any reputable media organization. CAMERA also pointed out that IAP’s alleged source, a report on Israel radio, is apparently fictional – Kol Yisrael denied to CAMERA that it had ever broadcast any such report." The woman who reported this in The Chicago Tribune issued the following: "Editor’s note: Georgie Anne Geyer’s May 10 column included a quote from Ariel Sharon, 'I control America.’ This quote was widely reported in the Palestinian press but cannot be confirmed in independent sources. Geyer and Universal Press Syndicate regret not having attributed the quote more specifically." Both quotes are from this source. Now, people may have a problem with CAMERA, but not one reliable media source reported this quote.

The 'hawks' in Israel are on the outs, people here know little of Israeli politics and don't realize the current powers are much like the Bush group. But, there are not many reputable Israeli leaders calling for the total destruction of any established nation.

However, Israel is the popular 'scapegoat' in this country, for both the right and left (extremes, usually). Just as many of us find the 'demonization' of France but the right-wing sad and stupid, it should be the same for the demonization of Israel. However, it is still a great target.

[StrafingMoose]

16. Incredible how the West always finds its man

to say the exact thing it needs to be said!

Ok, so which Western bank propped up this fool's (Ahmadinejad) party this time?

Good thing Petigrew blasted him tough.

[moondust]

20. Iran Prez sounds like he might have been a 1970s terrorist.

Hmmmm.......

[Behind the Aegis]

21. Perhaps so.

There is speculation he was involved in the Iranian hostage crisis. I have never seen anything that was completely concrete, but there is a lot of information out there about it.

[JohnyCanuck]

22. Seems to me there's enough hate going around on both sides.

These quotes below sound pretty close to a mirror image of the Iranian Prime Minister's position.

(The Palestinians are) beasts walking on two legs." Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts". New Statesman, 25 June 1982.


"When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle." Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.

David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.

"We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours." Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces - Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.

(Note that Eretz Israel refers to the entire region which was believed to be occupied by the 12 tribes in Biblical times, a much greater area than the area provided for the modern state of Israel).

"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism,colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/palestinians.html

[Behind the Aegis]

23. Ask yourself this...or a moderator...

But if this thread got booted to the I/P dungeon, your post would be deleted. Why? Because the rules of I/P state: Posting from Whatreallyhappened.com, Chronwatch.com or Debka.com is specifically not allowed.

So, the real question is why is the site you quoted not allowed?

[JohnyCanuck]

24. Are the quotes from the accurate or not? n/t

[Behind the Aegis]

25. Research

It would take awhile to look them up. It is quite probable they may be accurate, but as we have seen in this tread already, some quotes are manufactured. Quotes are also taken out of context and can mean something different all together.

The site you quote is not allowed for a reason. Contact Lithos or Undergroundrailroad and find out why.

[soda]

26. read what was actually said

quote. behind the agis :¨but as we have seen in this tread already, some quotes are manufactured. Quotes are also taken out of context and can mean something different all together.¨

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said here Wednesday that establishment of the Zionist regime was a move by the world hegemonic system and arrogant powers against the world of Islam.

Speaking at a gathering of the representatives of the
Palestinian combatant groups residing in Tehran, members of the society to defend the Palestinian nation and members of the Pupils Islamic Association, he added that a historical fight is underway between world arrogant powers and the Muslim world.

Turning to the fluctuating trend of campaign against the global arrogance by Muslims over the past three centuries, the chief executive noted, "The world arrogant powers founded the Zionist regime at the heart of the Muslim world as a base for their own expansionist intentions."
He said that today the Palestinian nation, as the representative of Islamic Umma, is standing up to the world hegemonic system.

"Ever since the Palestinian nation focused attention on promotion of an Islamic atmosphere and attitude, day-to-day success and progress have been witnessed among Palestinians," he said.

Ahmadinejad pointed to the meeting dubbed "A World Without Zionism" and criticized those sowing the seed of disappointment in materializing such a goal and attempting to undermine the world of Islam.

He added that a world without the US and Israel would be possible.

In another part of his speech, he urged the need for unity, solidarity and consensus on the Palestinian cause by the Islamic states.

"Today, supporting the Palestinian nation and objective is a definite and indispensable principle for continued campaign to achieve victory.

"The palestinian issue has not ended. It would end when a government belonging to the Palestinian people takes over, the homeless return home and a free election is held to form a government representing all people," he added.
http://www.irna.ir/en/news/view/menu-234/05102659041710...
is this what was said?

[Behind the Aegis]

28. your link

"_NOT_EXIST"

[daleo]

30. That is interesting

I read the link yesterday. I wonder who took it down, and why?

[soda]

31. yes its gone try this one

http://www.irna.ir/en/news/view/line-17/0510264068140136.htm
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad warned countries or leaders who have taken measures to acknowledge the Zionist regime under pressure or due to lack of sound understanding that they will be confronted with the wrath of the Islamic ummah and will forever be disgraced.

Speaking at a conference dubbed "World without Zionism" here Wednesday which was attended by thousands of students, he said any country which acknowledges the Zionist regime will actually be acknowledging the surrender and defeat of the Islamic world.

He further expressed his firm belief that the new wave of confrontations generated in Palestine and the growing turmoil in the Islamic world would in no time wipe Israel away.

Ahmadinejad referred to the Zionist regime's recent withdrawal from the Gaza Strip as a "trick," saying Gaza is part of Palestinian territory and the withdrawal was meant to make Islamic states acknowledge the Zionist regime of Israel.

the rest is at the link also the original text is posted above for you to compare i didn´t post the whole article as per DU rules but i have it saved if you need it :-)

[soda]

34. just saw a clip of the video

My farsi is not that good but he did seem to be condeming Israel and countries that support her either very brave or very stupid but there again he could get 140,000 hostages if he invaded iraq, if only someone gave him a reason to.

[toopers]

32. Why don't we stick to quotes from this century . . .

or even within the last 20 years.

[AngryAmish]

36. John Kerry on the statments of Ahmadinejad

"Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s statement that Israel ‘must be wiped off of the map’ is beyond outrageous and unacceptable. His hateful words about our ally Israel must be condemned in the strongest possible terms all over the world.

“This is more than reprehensible rhetoric from the head of the world’s leading state sponsor of terrorism. It reflects a belief in violence that has no place in the civilized world. On the same day that Ahmadinejad said ‘there is no doubt that the new wave in Palestine will soon wipe off this disgraceful blot from the face of the Islamic world,’ a suicide bomber from Islamic Jihad, an organization reportedly supported by Iran, killed five Israelis and wounded dozens more in Hadera."

[Frederik]

37. Students to depict "World without Zionism"

So, are Greg Szymanski, Michael Rivero and Henry Makow going to send in their contributions?

"The Union of Islamic Students Associations and Iran's House of Cartoons are jointly sponsoring a global competition on caricature, painting and graphic design under the main theme of "A World without Zionism," a morning English-language daily said on Wednesday.

Students between the ages of 7 and 18 can submit their art works to the organizing committee of the competition at this address: Tehran, P.O. Box 5745-774, or e-mail them to [e-mail] by November 21, Tehran Times announced.

The competition will also focus on the themes "A World without America," "A Mirage Named Zionism," "The Wishes of a Palestinian Student," and "The Intifada," noted the paper.

The daily went on to say that the international invitation to artists is posted in Persian, Arabic and English at the website of Iran Photographers' House.

In addition, 13 selected cartoons by students from China, Argentina, France, the Netherlands, Brazil, Iran and the United States on the theme "Palestine and the Occupier Zionist Regime" are on view at the site, according to Tehran Times."

http://www.irna.ir/en/news/view/line-17/0510193201141152.htm




Goebbels would have been proud