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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 07:56 AM Original message |
Polygamous Community Defies State Crackdown |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 08:00 AM Response to Original message |
1. Religious "freedom" in action. |
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Ravenseye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 09:08 AM Response to Reply #1 |
14. Hey the Bible says you can have slaves and sell your daughters |
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jazzjunkysue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 02:42 PM Response to Reply #14 |
32. How much do you think I can get for mine? |
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gorbal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 05:54 PM Response to Reply #1 |
40. Wikipedia has a great descrition |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 08:11 AM Response to Original message |
2. Cut their welfare payments and improve education for the girls. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 08:18 AM Response to Original message |
3. Don't we send foreign aid to countries that do much worst things? n/t |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 08:57 AM Response to Reply #3 |
9. Yes, but in America we kick poor people out of public housing for smoking |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 09:01 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Thanks for making that point.It's hard to avoid when you've spelled it out |
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warrens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 09:59 AM Response to Reply #9 |
20. I was called for jury duty just before Xmas last year |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 01:31 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. You should have said I'll consider all the facts and voted not guilty. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-05 06:51 AM Response to Reply #3 |
90. This isn't another country, this is the USA |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 08:19 AM Response to Original message |
4. I've been reading quite a bit about these people lately. |
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Bloodblister Bob (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 08:37 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Should the US launch pre-emptive strikes against polygamists? n/t |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 08:55 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. No, but we should be prepared for trouble from these people. |
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400Years (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 09:07 AM Response to Reply #8 |
13. I say leave them alone |
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MountainLaurel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 09:37 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. It's not the polygamy that's the primary issue |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 02:05 PM Response to Reply #17 |
28. These fringe "religious" groups seem like nothing more than |
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MountainLaurel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 02:37 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Ding, ding, ding |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 11:28 PM Response to Reply #28 |
72. it's funny (strange, not haha) isn't it |
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gorbal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 05:37 PM Response to Reply #17 |
39. Out of a group of about 10,000-1,000 boys kicked out |
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LisaM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 07:30 PM Response to Reply #17 |
50. They also basically steal government money |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 07:35 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Thats not really all that important. |
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LisaM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 07:41 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. It's important to me when RWers denigrate others who are on welfare |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 07:54 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. Huh? |
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LisaM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-05 11:49 AM Response to Reply #55 |
86. If you read the book "Under the Banner of Heaven" |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-05 06:54 AM Response to Reply #86 |
91. They call it "Bleeding the Beast" |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-05 06:28 PM Response to Reply #91 |
95. I know they do it on purpose... |
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happyslug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-05 06:12 PM Response to Reply #51 |
94. Rape, child abuse, statutory rape, etc are hard to prove |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-05 07:05 AM Response to Reply #94 |
102. I totaly dissagree. |
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happyslug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-05 07:51 AM Response to Reply #102 |
104. I did NOT say to outlaw Adultery, but that it was often used to prevent. |
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dryan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-05 08:23 AM Response to Reply #17 |
107. The total scam... |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 09:54 AM Response to Reply #13 |
19. This has nothing to do with regular polygamy |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 06:55 PM Response to Reply #13 |
47. Did you bother to read the original post??? |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 07:22 PM Response to Reply #13 |
49. "murdering"? |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 11:13 PM Response to Reply #13 |
70. No, I want a jury to lock them up for child rape. |
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400Years (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-05 09:17 AM Response to Reply #70 |
83. fine by me if that is actually going on |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-05 01:39 PM Response to Reply #83 |
87. This IS going on, and has been documented for literally decades |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-05 01:57 PM Response to Reply #83 |
92. Yes, and we need further study about global warming, too. |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-05 07:07 AM Response to Reply #83 |
103. You are entitled to your opinion but its wrong. |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 09:09 AM Response to Reply #7 |
15. No but for the US AG and his predecessor to do nothing |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 04:22 PM Response to Reply #15 |
35. Hey most of these guys are repugs - of course, bushie |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 07:10 PM Response to Reply #35 |
48. Diffrent sect. |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 10:59 PM Response to Reply #48 |
68. Yes I knew they were the breakaway group. My point was that |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-05 12:04 AM Response to Reply #68 |
74. (....well they're certainly not Democrats!) |
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ImpeachBush (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 12:14 PM Response to Reply #4 |
23. Not dangerous to the rest of the world, really ... |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 02:09 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. This reminds me of the famous episode of the X-Files... |
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MountainLaurel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 02:40 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. I remember that one |
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anitar1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 02:44 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. One reason the LDS set up the geneology |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 06:42 PM Response to Reply #33 |
42. I suspect you are misinformed on that. |
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LiviaOlivia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 07:44 PM Response to Reply #33 |
53. Wrong and racist. |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 07:47 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Yep. |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-05 12:08 AM Response to Reply #53 |
75. Yep. And they got in some big trouble with the Jewish community |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-05 09:11 AM Response to Reply #75 |
82. They still ARE baptizing dead Jews |
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Ferret Annica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-05 12:33 AM Response to Reply #53 |
78. You are correct that genealogy was set up for proxy baptisms, |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-05 11:40 PM Response to Reply #53 |
98. racist? |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 02:03 PM Response to Reply #4 |
27. I was thinking the very same thing... |
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 08:23 AM Response to Original message |
5. I recently read a book... |
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LiberalEsto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 08:24 AM Response to Original message |
6. What if your religion told you to murder someone? |
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Ravenseye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 09:12 AM Response to Reply #6 |
16. Pfff When has a religion told anyone to murder people??? |
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MountainLaurel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 09:38 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Bwaaah! |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 06:52 PM Response to Reply #16 |
46. I think you forgot |
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VelmaD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 08:58 AM Response to Original message |
10. Yet again they get it wrong...it's not polygamy... |
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geniph (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 05:28 PM Response to Reply #10 |
37. Velma, you and I fight this battle alone |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 06:44 PM Response to Reply #37 |
43. Excelent point. |
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MountainLaurel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-05 11:00 AM Response to Reply #37 |
85. I'm with both of you |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-05 08:06 AM Response to Reply #10 |
105. Considering That Some of the Wives Are Re-assigned |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 09:06 AM Response to Original message |
12. Why can't they charge them for misappropriation of funds? |
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madmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 10:46 AM Response to Reply #12 |
21. They are |
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noonwitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 12:06 PM Response to Original message |
22. They need to let them live how they want, but tax them according to law |
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Chovexani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 01:19 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Fuck "God's law", they are breaking all kinds of real, actual laws |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 01:53 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Only one wife CAN be claimed |
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madmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 02:45 PM Response to Reply #22 |
34. Their raison d'etre is to coerce female children |
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geniph (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 05:31 PM Response to Reply #22 |
38. They're disobeying laws not just regarding bigamy, |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 06:48 PM Response to Reply #22 |
44. Way Way off base. |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 06:50 PM Response to Reply #22 |
45. BTW I think you might owe the victems and appology. |
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Megahurtz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 05:27 PM Response to Original message |
36. These pedophiles just want to perv "legally" |
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olddad56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 06:04 PM Response to Original message |
41. What is this world coming to when you can't even have many wives? |
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Ferret Annica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 08:00 PM Response to Original message |
56. Here is a link to the Rickross.com database's resources concerning Mormons |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 09:03 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Propoganda |
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Ferret Annica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 09:12 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Wrong, those are links to news stories and other information |
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LiviaOlivia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 09:29 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Wrong. Read John Dougherty |
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Ferret Annica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 09:49 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. Excellent link |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 09:40 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. No. |
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Ferret Annica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 09:48 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. You are given the articles to make up your own mind on a cult |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 09:46 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. Oh and as for the splinter group... |
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Ferret Annica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 09:58 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. Mormons only ditched polygamy to make Utah a state. |
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LiviaOlivia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 10:40 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. The Mormon Church banned polygamy in 1890. |
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Ferret Annica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 10:59 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. I don't lump all Mormons together |
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LiviaOlivia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 11:14 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. Well the break off, fundie groups in Colorado City, Az |
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Ferret Annica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 11:45 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. So what if they broke off and are condemned by |
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LiviaOlivia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-05 12:19 AM Response to Reply #73 |
77. Thanks for the response |
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Ferret Annica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-05 12:41 AM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Not a problem |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-05 01:43 PM Response to Reply #73 |
88. Ferret is right to an extent |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-05 12:17 AM Response to Reply #66 |
76. The Mormon church did WAY more than its fair share of |
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LiviaOlivia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-05 01:59 AM Response to Reply #76 |
81. So what do you propose? |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-05 10:38 AM Response to Reply #81 |
84. A good start would be for the Mormon Church to OPEN |
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ImpeachBush (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-05 12:44 PM Response to Reply #84 |
108. I enjoyed your comments |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-05 10:13 PM Response to Reply #66 |
97. in 1890 as part of the drive for statehood |
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olddad56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 09:45 PM Response to Original message |
61. Some of these people belong in politcial office under Bush... |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-05 11:03 PM Response to Original message |
69. Women (and girls) as property. Same old fundie story. |
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madmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-05 01:47 AM Response to Original message |
80. Polygamy is not even a good word to describe what the FLDS does. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-05 01:45 PM Response to Reply #80 |
89. And incest, and trading wives & children from one man to another |
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DiverDave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-05 02:33 PM Response to Reply #89 |
93. Once again we see that if you abuse a child |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-05 06:51 AM Response to Reply #93 |
100. Excuse me? WTF are you yelling at me? |
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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-05 11:46 PM Response to Reply #80 |
99. This is weird even by most historical measures |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-05 06:53 AM Response to Reply #99 |
101. This group has been doing it for decades |
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happydreams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-05 07:16 PM Response to Original message |
96. Polygamy is about male domination. |
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dryan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-05 08:20 AM Response to Original message |
106. Read the whole.... |
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gorbal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-05 01:50 AM Response to Original message |
109. This seems like a microcosm of what is going on in the US today... |
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