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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 11:09 PM
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Cast of Characters Grows in CIA Leak Drama
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-5365026,00.html

Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - It began with a clumsy forgery, led the president to backtrack on his own State of the Union address, already has sent one person to jail and has ruined another's career as a covert operative.

The cast of characters in this latest tale of Washington intrigue - the CIA leak investigation - keeps growing as a federal prosecutor tries to sort out who told what to whom and whether any of it was a crime.

Those caught up in the maelstrom include a power couple with a big secret, a duo of no-longer-anonymous Bush administration officials and a constellation of media heavyweights with secrets, too. It runs the spectrum from the biggest of big fish, President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney, to the merest of minnows, White House functionaries.

snip...

Inevitably, some little fish get snagged in nets intended for bigger catch.

Count Adam Levine among them. The former White House press aide was called before the grand jury last year, mainly to answer questions about press office procedures. Investigators may have decided to question him simply because higher-ups in the press office were away during the week just prior to publication of Novak's column.


more.............................................................

The price of being a little fish working for a Big fish!!!

You get gobbled up in the NET!!!

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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 11:56 PM
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1. "A power couple with a big secret."
Now, that's intriguing. Roger Stone and his wife? Carville and Matalin?

Any other guesses?
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MO_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 12:05 AM
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2. I figured it was a reference to
Joe Wilson and wife, but maybe I'm wrong.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 12:09 AM
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3. That came to my mind, too, but it doesn't comport.
Wilson is very upfront about his life. It seems to me that this article is dropping a juicy hint.

What defines a "power couple" anyway?
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I_Make_Mistakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 12:25 AM
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4. Power couple Andrea and Alan come to mind. Who knows how
tangled this web is!
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 11:41 AM
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21. "Power couple with a big secret"? How 'bout bush and contradicta?
Edited on Mon Oct-24-05 11:43 AM by calimary
judy miller and sulzberger? Or judy and scooter? bush and blair? Tantalizing!

Actually, upon reading through some of the article, I bet the writer's referring to Joseph and Valerie Wilson.
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 01:22 AM
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6. here's my guess
but of course I could be wrong!


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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 04:57 PM
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35. ROFLMAO
:rofl:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 05:42 PM
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36. OMG second that!
:rofl:
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 01:52 AM
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9. Andrea Mitchell and Alan Greenspan hows that for
Powerful!!! Fitz requested the guest list at gerald fords 90th Birthday!!!

Freaky stuff!!!
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I_Make_Mistakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 01:58 AM
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10. Louvian beat you by over an hour. I have to agree that with Alan's
control over the monetary (which is the entire US Superpower thing) they had the most to gain. I think everyone narrowed in, instead of focused out. For me, it was a good guess, but if you look up at the posts, I am with you.

This could be friggin incredible if that is the case.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 11:31 AM
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20. I_Make_Mistakes clap clap clap take a bow!!! Your da Man
"Those caught up in the maelstrom include a power couple with a big secret, a duo of no-longer-anonymous Bush administration officials and a constellation of media heavyweights with secrets, too. It runs the spectrum from the biggest of big fish, President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney, to the merest of minnows, White House functionaries"

Power couple
Andrea Mitchell & Greenspan

Duo of no longer anonymous Bush Administration
Hannah Wurmser
Media Heavyweights

Mary Maitlin & Carville
Novak
Chris Matthews
Cooper
Judy Miller
Keller
Tim Russert
Wonder if this is the Mockingbirds Network on the payroll!!

Merest Minnows
Adam Levine
Scott Mccellan


Was the money worth it gang!!! Bendover and smile!!!
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I_Make_Mistakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 12:18 AM
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40. I am female, for future reference, but weird things come to my mind
and I am definitely not as educated in politics as most on DU.

For some reason, power couple sparked Alan and Andrea in my mind, then Alan retiring was like double weird.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 12:32 AM
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41. You Go Girl!!! as Homer says Doh!!!
Ya it is surprising that of all the places he goes is to Gerald Fords Birthday Party???
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I_Make_Mistakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 12:52 AM
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42. Let's not get to far ahead of ourselves. It was weird how as a power
couple they came to my mind. It will indeed be interesting to see how this all plays out! (Who will fall on their swords and all!).
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 01:07 PM
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30. Yep, that's where I'm going with it... nt
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 07:48 PM
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39. Ha ha! Maybe that's why * bumped up the announcement for Greenspans
replacement! Maybe even those in the White House know this could be coming!

But you know what...my guess is that its Mary Matalin....
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 11:56 AM
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23. Safavian or Wurmser
David and Jennifer M. Safavian or David and Meyrav Wurmser?
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 12:06 PM
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25. Not nearly that intriguing. The article means Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame
It is a nice article, but written for people who are new to the scandal.

The "power couple" are the Wilsons (because the next section of the story is "meet the Wilsons"), the "anonymous duo" are Karl Rove and Scotter Libby (discussed in the section titled "call me anonymous"), and the "media heavyweights" are Novak, Cooper, Miller, Russert and Pincus.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 12:44 AM
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5. Judy & scooter!!! Ted Olsen & Barbara Olsen???
Carville & Maitlin
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 12:07 PM
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26. Yep!....This would be quite interesting!!!
Barbara would be quite the catch!
The complete secrecy of Ted Olsen where abouts for the last 4 years
certainly provides possible evidence that Barbara Olsen
may still be alive and well.
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 01:09 AM
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43. Heh. Just to fan the conspiratorial flames....
Here's the Tom Flocco article on Babs.

http://tomflocco.com/fs/OlsenArrested.htm

I'd need to see a live press conference with her holding up a copy of today's paper for me to believe she's still alive. Tom may be one of the great satirists of our time.
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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 01:26 AM
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7. We need a chart!
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 03:33 AM
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13. in process of making one
I'm trying to create one using pix as well as text. Hopefully I will be able to finish this sometime today.
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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 05:05 AM
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15. Yay! Go Muffin!
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 01:36 AM
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8. Ok found an Interesting article when I looked up Adam Levine

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0305-02.htm


Title

Air Force One Phone Records Subpoenaed
Grand jury to review call logs from Bush’s jet in probe of how a CIA agent’s cover was blown

The third subpoena repeats an informal Justice Department document request to the White House last fall seeking records about staff contacts with Novak and two Newsday reporters, Knut Royce and Timothy Phelps, who reported on July 22 that Plame was a covert agent and Novak had blown her cover

oh but heres soemthing I haven't heard???

Finally, the subpoena requested a list of those in attendance at the White House reception on July 16 for former President Gerald Ford's 90th birthday.



"Current White House press secretary Scott McClellan, press aide Claire Buchan and former press aide Adam Levine have told reporters they appeared before the grand jury Feb. 6. At least five others have reportedly been questioned."

heres a list of supoened

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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 02:47 AM
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11. another link
to some interesting stuff, congressional testimonials from October 24, 2003, as well as a lot more links.

<SNIP> congressional testimony

CANNISTRARO: Many of the people in the administration who were publicly identified as ideologues and members of the group that advocated war in Iraq were not happy with the CIA, were not happy even with DIA -- the Pentagon's own intelligence service -- because it didn't consistently provide the supporting data for the public assertions that Iraq was a clear danger.
So it seems to me that they were trying to not only undermine and trash Ambassador Wilson, but to demonstrate their contempt for CIA by bringing Valerie's name into it. Wasn't germane to their argument, but they brought it in there deliberately, vindictively in, in my judgment, a dirty trick.


http://talkleft.com/new_archives/011415.html
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 02:49 AM
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12. Boy, I'd sure like to get my hands on those AF-1 phone records, because
I suspect that Tony Blair called Bush on July 7, 2003, to warn him that David Kelly (the Brits chief WMD expert who had been whistleblowing to the BBC about the "sexed up" Iraq intel) knew about their plot to plant WMDs in Iraq, and that this was the real trigger for the Plame and Brewster-Jennings outings, not Wilson's article; especially given the rushed, panicky way they outed Plame and BJ, calling at least six reporters over the week, in seeming desperation to get her outed quickly, putting many top Bushites at risk of treason charges--an extremely foolish and otherwise inexplicably risky way to "punish" Wilson.

Plame was outed July 14. David Kelly was found dead, under highly suspicious circumstances, four days later. And four days after that, on July 22, after they searched Kelly's office and computers, Novak outed the entire CIA WMD monitoring project, Brewster-Jennings.

Part One of this theory of Treasongate is that the Niger forgeries, the planting of the Niger allegation in Bush's SOTU speech (after it had been removed from a previous speech as too easily disproved), and the wild goose chase to Niger (to investigate an allegation that the cabal knew to be bogus) were a long term plan aimed at luring the CIA into a no-nukes-in-Iraq public position, then discrediting the CIA forever--and reaping great political benefits--when the planted nukes were "found" by Judith Miller (who was in a prime position to "get the scoop", placed in Iraq with a special "embed" contract signed by Donald Rumsfeld to accompany the US troops who were "hunting" for the WMDs they all knew weren't there; and with the public elaborately primed to expect such a "find.")

Part Two is that this plot was foiled--by Plame or her covert WMD network, and that Kelly found out or even participated in the foiling.

If this theory holds up--and it does tend to solve many mysteries--then Tony Blair is the instigator of events that led to the Plame/BJ outings, and possibly also to Kelly's murder, with a phone call to Bush, or to someone else on AF-1, telling them that Kelly was on to them. (There is an item in the Hutton report that Blair was informed, on July 7, that Kelly "could say some uncomfortable things"--COULD say, not HAD said--and it is common knowledge that Blair and Bush were in frequent phone contact during this period.)

Judith Miller's name seems to turn up like a bad penny wherever bad things are happening. It was to Miller--his friend and colleague--that David Kelly wrote one of his last emails, on the day he died, in which he was concerned about the "many dark actors playing games." (--email later released by his family, not by Miller).

I recently saw the new Bob Dylan film in which he performs part of his song on Medger Evers' death. Of Evers' killer, he sings, "You were only a pawn in their game."

A lot of game pawns in this one, it seems--not to mention "dark actors."

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Re: The White House reception July 16, 2003. That was the day before Kelly died. I wonder what Fitzgerald's interest in it is (and who the guest list was).
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 04:15 AM
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14. Yes, somehow Kelly and Plame
are linked. For some reason the people involved with WMD work, who were going against the party line, really bent BushCo out of shape.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 05:12 AM
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16. Whow-the opening sentence: "It began with a clumsy forgery"
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 05:13 AM
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17. this is an AP story--should get wide coverage.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 05:18 AM
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18. reminds me of the "bungled burglary" at Watergate..
... often referred to as "clumsy"
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 05:19 AM
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19. This explanation makes the most sense to me..
I do believe that they wanted WMDs in Iraq badly enough to do anything. And I fear that they are going to try again in Syria.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 11:49 AM
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22. Oh Peace Patriot now thats pretty interesting idea there!!! Bingo!!!
Kelly murder and a phone all from Blair!!! I remember how Pale Blair was when told of Kelly's death!!!


Great deduction Peace Patriot Holmes!!!
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hiabrill Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 01:58 PM
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32. ..!!!....!!!.... Judith Miller link to David Kelly
It was to Miller--his friend and colleague--that David Kelly wrote one of his last emails, on the day he died, in which he was concerned about the "many dark actors playing games." (--email later released by his family, not by Miller).

I remember his last E-mail before he died...

It's shocking to hear it was Judith Miller.


Question: Why would Kelly confide in Miller who we now know is one of these "Dark Actor"......? (she obviously fool him to trust her) For Judith Miller to go to prison for these criminals, she's almost certainly in with them.

I'd like to know who Judith Miller "told" about her e-mail from Kelly...

Did Judith Miller ring the alarm bells, after that E-mail, that got Kelly killed??!!
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 03:37 PM
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33. I believe she told her editors, but I'm not sure if before or after his...
...family disclosed the emails. (I'd have to do some research on that.)

I'm interested in the late June period. Kelly seems to have been taken by surprise that his bosses had come to know or strongly suspected that he was the BBC whistleblower. All I know, from various readings, is that a "friend" he ran into at the Royal United Services Institute (RUMI) warned him. (I don't think this friend has ever been identified.) And this has a haunting resemblance to the sort of things Miller is suspected of having done in the Plame outing--being a conduit for "rumors," planting information so that others get it and disguising the source.

This warning from a friend caused Kelly to write a letter to his bosses saying that it might be him, which began the chain of events that led to his death about 3 weeks later. After interrogating him at a "safe house," threatening him, and forcing him to partially recant before a Parliamentary committee, the Blairites then outed him to the press and sent him home without protection (and apparently without surveillance). After various emails to people (none of which is a suicide note, and which, on the contrary, are forward-looking), he took a walk in the afternoon of July 17, and never came back.

His body was found the next day under a tree near this home, where he had apparently slit one wrist and bled to death all night out in the cold and rain (not a very scientific way to kill yourself--he was a topnotch scientist). The evidence of foul play was disregarded (not enough blood at the scene; body moved) and it was quickly deemed a suicide, but there was never any proper inquest. That was shut down by the bogus Hutton inquiry (which, if you can believe this, blamed the BBC for his death!!!).

It's possible that it was a suicide--that all this was just too much (although he was a legendary tough guy), or that he was acting to protect his family. But that is not a critical point of the WMD-planting theory. Whether he was driven to suicide, or assassinated, his death was just too damned convenient to the Blairites and the Bushites, and too coincidental with the Plame dates, not to arouse the darkest of suspicions. Further investigation is badly needed. I'm not an investigator, just a citizen and writer.

Being a writer, I noticed a couple of odd things about Judith Miller's obit on David Kelly (NYT, July 21, 2003). The most glaring one is that she fails to disclose her close ties to Kelly. (She wrote a book with him--"Germs"--and was a friend-correspondent.) Another is that in paragraphs 15-16 she has Kelly saying (not in quotes) that the US troops weren't looking hard enough for the WMDs in Iraq. This seems an unlikely thing for Kelly to have said--it doesn't fit his state of mind (that of a whistleblower), but it does serve Miller's interests.

The tone of his emails to her is that he still trusted her, to the day he died (unless he himself was trying to mislead her--trying to figure out who the "dark actors" were--not too likely, I think). And I have no idea, really, if, in truth, it is just a coincidence that Miller was thickly involved with the Plame/BJ outings at the same time that her old colleague, also a WMD expert, was being outed, and fell into despair or was killed.

The WMD-planting theory is just a theory--although a pretty good one--and there may be some other way to connect these dots, or not. It's still possible that the Plame/Kelly events are not connected, except thematically--both governments into serious repression of both internal and external dissent.

But if the theory is more or less correct, we have some heroes of the outing of Bush and Blair and their damnable war who were in far more danger than most people realize, and who acted to save us from a phony, triumphant "find" of WMDs in Iraq, that would have hardened the power of the warmongers and made them unchallengeable: Valerie Plame and her network of agents/contacts, Joseph Wilson, and David Kelly.

We also have some villains who are guilty of a lot more than political punishment of dissent--and a number of pawns in their game--who will, hopefully, be sorted out from each other in the coming months.

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I, too, am very concerned about Syria and Iran. My parsing of the weird letter from Libby to Miller about the "aspens" produced an ominous message about these weapons-planting and other "dirty tricks" capabilities being deeply rooted (still in place), and unaffected by Libby taking the fall for Cheney. He urges Miller "to come back to work--and life" to help propagandize certain stories, and he names them: The Iranian nuke program, biological threats and the Iraqi elections.

It is a difficult message to parse (including who it is really intended for), so, bear that in mind. And I have no inside knowledge. I'm just guessing.

But if I'm right, then we can expect some kind of incident to come, involving WMDs, to justify the incursions into Syria (that began during Katrina) and to widen the war--and perhaps even to justify the Iraq invasion, in retrospect.

But whatever their rotten schemes may be, it is by no means certain that anyone--even those on the right--will believe them any more. And I actually hope that the Republican elite has made some sort of deal to resolve these prosecutions (a Cheney resignation? un-indicted co-conspirator, no jail time; a fresh face put in as VP to be Diebolded into office in '08? --whatever), because I think that we, and the rest of the world, are in great danger from the Cheney/Rumsfeld cabal. (--and since Republicans are just into looting us blind, they may not want a holocaust; can't spend your billions on a dead planet). (Read Carl Sagan's "The Cold and the Dark," about the impacts to the planet of even a limited nuclear exchange. Not good.)

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As for putting this theory into a thread, somebody already did. It's at....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5049555


And it's just a theory. I hesitate to put it forward in a way that anyone may take it as anything else. But I've commented about it, in various posts on related subjects here at DU, in order to inspire investigation.
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 06:07 PM
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37. Excellent overview
and I agree with all of it.

The Wurmser leak happened in June, BEFORE Joe Wilson's article appeared in the paper.

Also, her identity was revealed to Condoleeza Rice and Hadley in June, also before the Joe Wilson article and before the trip to Africa. So she did not learn Valerie Plame's identity on AF1 in July. She and Hadley already knew it!

Bolton asked for and received information on 'certain people' at the State Dept. we learned in the Bolton hearings. The Democrats demanded to see who he was inquiring about.

Condoleeza Rice ordered the state dept. not to comply with the Senate Committee's requests. What was she helping him to hide? Was Bolton the one to get the information on Valerie Plame? But if so, who told him to do it? Wurmser, through Libby who was told by Cheney to do it?

So, now we know that these operatives from the WH had started outing Valerie Plame to the press BEFORE Joe Wilson's article appeared.

And once again, Judy Miller appears in this scenario, in the sense that Bolton visited her twice in prison!!

I too would like to know who was at that WH reception. I wonder if it's possible to get a list of the guests?
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 12:04 PM
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24. so what is up with that remark about Adam Levine?
all I can find about him is this:

http://www.warandpiece.com/blogdirs/000315.html

The White House press aide interviewed this week by FBI officials in relation to the Plame leak investigation, Adam Levine, apparently left the White House in December. Which is when John Aschroft recused himself from the investigation. Now several news organizations report that Levine's job was to serve as a link between the White House press office and television networks. An old Knight Ridder story refers to "Adam Levine, the assistant press secretary at the White House who coordinates the Sunday appearances." A more recent Washington Post story writes that "Adam Levine, a former White House aide who portrayed Russert in mock sessions with administration officials," referring to White House prep of the President in advance of his appearance on Meet the Press this past weekend, so seems he is playing some sort of White House consulting role even though he left the job in December.

One thing that comes up in a google search for Adam Levine is a series of stories written by one Adam Levine in the late 1990s on Missouri state politics. We will remember that Ashcroft is a former governor of Missouri (1984-1993) and one of Missouri's Senators from 1994 until 2000. Who knows if there's any connection. It seems that there are multiple reasons Ashcroft may have had in December to recuse himself from the investigation, as the investigation gathered pace, and now seems to be zeroing in on fairly senior White House staff. But interesting if someone can figure out if between his stint at the Missouri state house news org in the mid-late 1990s and the White House press job in 2001-2004 if Adam Levine did any work for Sen. Ashcroft. It could be of course a completely different Adam Levine, and not working with a broadcaster, I honestly have never encountered him in his WH job before.

...more that says nothing...
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 12:22 PM
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27. Yes---that is what I noticed, too. The graf about Adam Levine
stands out like a turd in a punchbowl. Is this who was used to turn the bigger guys?
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 12:31 PM
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28. Anybody Know about this ???
Edited on Mon Oct-24-05 12:42 PM by lovuian
He is one on the list of indictments!!!

Think Progress has the list:

Karl Rove I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby Condoleezza Rice Stephen Hadley Andrew Card Alberto Gonzales Mary Matalin Ari Fleischer Susan Ralston Israel Hernandez John Hannah Scott McClellan Dan Bartlett Claire Buchan Catherine Martin Colin Powell Karen Hughes Adam Levine Bob Joseph Vice President Dick Cheney President George W. Bush


Adam Levine what did he do??? He must have lied though or done something!!!

and Claire Buchan are mentioned often together!!! Ari Fleischer is on that list???

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/13/ari-leaker

"In the subpoenaed July 12 <2003> transcript of a briefing in Nigeria, then-press secretary Ari Fleischer called Wilson a “lower-level official” and said Wilson had made flawed and incomplete statements. Fleischer did not return calls Friday.

So what about Fleischer piqued the Special Prosecutor’s interest? Details are still uncertain, but news reports suggest one theory for what might have occurred. In the days after Wilson’s NYT column was published but before Novak’s article appeared, Ari Fleischer was among the White House officials aboard Air Force One on a presidential trip to Africa, where he might have had access to the classified State Department document brought aboard by then-Secretary of State Colin Powell that likely tipped administration officials off to Plame’s true identity."


Here ya go!!!

"One person close to the investigation said that Levine was questioned mainly about White House press office procedures. Investigators may have decided to talk to Levine, this person said, because Fleischer and Bartlett were with Bush on a July 7-12 trip to Africa just prior to publication of Novak’s column, and McClellan, then Fleischer’s deputy, was on vacation.
Was Levine called by Fleischer on Air Force One and then Levine took the job of dishing out the info!!!

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/13/ari-leaker

And then that way Fleishcer was gone when the Wilson slam happened!!!

Oh heres something!!!


Fitzgeral Suspected Air Force One Phones Were Used to Leak Plame’s Identity

The White House will comply with federal grand jury subpoenas seeking phone records from Air Force One to determine whether presidential aides used the aircraft’s phones to leak the name of a CIA employee to reporters, a White House spokesman said Friday.

ok so say a little minnow got caught in this and say there are tapes on AF1 then that could be interesting!!! Obviously Levine did something bad cause he is on the indictment list!!!




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jarnocan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 06:57 PM
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38. LIST , POOL and links to each contender...
http://www.millionphonemarch.com/pool.htm here is a list with links to a pic and info.
I also have a related contest. in the activist area.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 12:58 PM
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29. So true: I don't believe you can hide behind a crooked boss.
If you're supporting bad things, you're part of it. If good people would refuse to support bad people, that would slow down the evil doers. Trouble is, there seems to be a never ending list of people who will sell out their conscience for a buck or some power.

Payback's a bitch.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 01:37 PM
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31. Some other Interesting lines???
Rove sent an e-mail to top national security aide Stephen Hadley discussing one of his conversations related to Wilson.


Wonder what Steve had to say??? Rove probably forgot about that email!!! :)

Wilson himself speculated last year that the leak might have come from Elliott Abrams, a figure in the Reagan administration Iran-Contra affair and now a member of Bush's National Security Council

Wonder why Wilson suspected him cause he had a reputation for doing dirty work???

John Hannah or David Wurmser - leaked Plame's identity at the behest of higher-ups ``to keep their fingerprints off the crime"

I like that line to keep their fingerprints off the crime" but Rove must have been plain stupid cause his fingers dialed the phone alot talking to Cooper!!! :)

it shows me Rove's temper and Scooters obsession and Cheneys scrambling to to cover his WMD fiasco was what did them in!!!
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 04:56 PM
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34. The good people who don't support the evil doers......get whacked!
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