Dallas Diocese: Miers Not a Catholic (another lie?)

[deadparrot]

DALLAS - The Roman Catholic diocese of Dallas is setting the record straight: Supreme Court nominee Harriet Miers has never been a Catholic.

A review of records for such sacraments as baptism, first Eucharist and confirmation found no evidence that Miers or anyone in her immediate family was Catholic, Bronson Havard, a spokesman for the diocese, said Friday.

Acquaintances of Miers have said she worshipped as a Catholic and attended Episcopalian and Presbyterian services. For some 25 years, Miers has been a congregant at Valley View Christian Church where in 1979 she was baptized by full immersion, consistent with the evangelical church's beliefs.

Recently, she and about 150 of the church's 1,200 active members formed a separate congregation after a disagreement about worship styles.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051021/ap_on_go_su_co/miers_religion

[knitter4democracy]

1. What an odd thing to lie about.

Why would they do that? How odd.

[MichiganVote]

2. Another Bush crony crack pot---they lie when it just as easy

to tell the truth

[ikojo]

6. No, not so odd...some fundie christians do not view

Catholics as "real" Christians...so it's kind of a code to those in the know...it's Rove's way of saying that she is "one of you" and a "real" Christian.

[HockeyMom]

13. Other than birth control and abortion,

they don't don't agree. Catholics don't sit around reading or taking the Bible literally. MAJOR point. I spent 12 years in Catholic School and never read the Bible, inside or outside of class. Also, they DID teach us evolution in catholic school, more than 40 years ago.

[shrike]

51. Me, too

Although we were encouraged to read the bible on our own time -- the priests had a thing about families getting Catholic bibles for their homes.

The evolution thing -- that's that drives me crazy about the ID thing. I had nuns teaching me about evolution, for chrissake!

[IndianaGreen]

7. Yeah, why would she lie about being Catholic?

There should have been some record of her belonging to a parish. I presume Catholics keep track of their members via their contributions, just as we do (no money, no tickets for High Holidays).

[struggle4progress]

22. Because the electoral strategy is to split away part of the Catholic vote

[knitter4democracy]

65. I thought that, too, but then why pick a church that keeps track?

I mean, if you're going to go after the Catholic vote, it's best to be honest and say that she attended but never truly converted and later chose a different path. Catholics will get that, and then it doesn't get them in trouble.

Is anyone else remembering the end of "Wag the Dog" when the trio started acting all funny and pulling all sorts of stuff out of nowhere that didn't even make sense anymore?

[struggle4progress]

73. Their political calculus isn't so fine-grained. Rs look for a handful ..

.. of soundbites around topics and choose those soundbites to meet specific political objectives. Rs don't much care if the soundbites are illogical, counter-factual, or mutually inconsistent: they figure most people aren't playing close attention, won't pursue the matter in detail, and have short memories anyway. So a buzzword like "Catholic" will pass by many ears but will generally enter only a few ears tuned to it and work its magic on some of those few. An underlying assumption is that the charge of "dishonesty" will generally be made by opponents, who can then be marginalized by counterclaims of "nasty partisanship" -- and since opponents, of course, weren't going to vote for look for Rs anyway, "who cares if opponents get PO'd by the dishonesty?"

[ashling]

71. Great strategy

we think so highly of you that we are choosing someone who was converted from your ranks into a group that hates you.

[Demeter]

24. Catholics Keep Track By Baptisms

Once baptised into the Church, they never count you out. Even if you count yourself out. It's how they inflate their numbers.

[Up2Late]

39. Until you Marry a NON-Catholic...

...or maybe it's when you get a divorce from said Non-Catholic???

[tenshi816]

44. That doesn't matter.

Divorced people are still Catholics. If a Catholic divorces and subsequently remarries (to someone of any denomination) that's when it becomes a problem from the Church's point of view. Even then, the person would still be Catholic, just not permitted to take communion.

That's the way it is in the UK, anyway, and Catholicism is supposed to be the same the world over.

[knitter4democracy]

66. That's how it is in our Eastern Orthodox Church.

You actually have to leave, and it involves being excommunicated. Most people just don't bother with it.

[5thGenDemocrat]

74. My mom was a Catholic. My dad was putatively Lutheran

The only thing the RCC requested when they married was that we kids be raised Catholic. And we were, especially since dad's family were some of the least religious people I ever saw (grandpa was a low-grade agnostic, grandma pretty much an atheist).
John
Dad later converted, pretty much to make mom happy. But religion never really factored into his thinking one way or another.

[Gormy Cuss]

62. The real question is why is the diocese disavowing any knowledge of her?

Why is it important for them to make a statement since she doesn't claim to be a Roman Catholic any longer?

BTW, many Catholics offer cash in the collection basket. There's no way for the diocese to track that. Larger donors tend to make sure there's a way to verify the deductible contributions by using checks.

It's all about the sacraments (membership rites.)

[knitter4democracy]

67. Maybe they're mad about being used like that.

I know our bishop would be, but we're Eastern Orthodox and more left-leaning. Baptism is not a joke to us or something that is just a political item on the resume. Our bishop would be fuming, I'm sure.

[tenshi816]

82. Agreed, that's my take on it too. n/t

[JoFerret]

21. self delete

[ashling]

64. because they could

why tell the truth when you can lie? :sarcasm:

[joemurphy]

3. We should consider immersing her again in the depths of the

Pedernales.

[Mabus]

4. Oopsy, she meant to convert but....

she forgot to finish it. Details, details, details. Kind of like her forgetting to pay property taxes and her bar dues.

[CountAllVotes]

17. Miers is a liar and a fraud!

And she never was a Catholic! What a sinner she is!

:kick:

[Straight Shooter]

5. No wonder bush chose her. He's found his soulmate.

Another pathological liar.

[Cha]

12. I saw a political "joke" that

goes.. bush: "Part of the reason I chose harriet miers is due to her religious beliefs…" ~ miers: "bush is God…"

[kurth]

8. Catholics are meticulous recordkeepers

The Catholic Church is pretty anal about such things... They used to burn people over whether you were Catholic or not.

"No evidence that Miers or ANYONE in her immediate family was Catholic"?

[IndianaGreen]

10. I posted before I got to read your post

Why would she lie about this, or is she a complete liar? I wonder if her law degree was bought at a diploma mill.

[dogman]

23. One possibility is that she wanted to build her reputation.

Some evangelical groups are extremely anti-Catholic. They even imply that Catholics are not Christians. This could be seen as a repudiation of Catholicism on her part, her conversion of Paul moment. It also could be meant to show Catholics that conversion from their faith is a good thing. Then again some liars just lie.

[Up2Late]

40. I think you're right, most dogmatic, "Born-Again" Evangelicals are...

...very anti-Catholic.

Most likely, this is also so they can lie to say that she's "Born Again."

She'll probably turn out to be Jewish, or worst yet for the Evangelicals, FRENCH!

(BTW, my father is a French Immigrant/Holocaust surviver, but I was raised Irish Catholic.)

[shrike]

52. I've had personal experience with that

Grew up in a WASP community. You'd have thought we (the lone Catholic family) had horns and tails.

[tenshi816]

61. Yes! You're exactly right.

We were also in a parish with very few Catholics. I've seen living rooms bigger than our church was, and we were surrounded by huge Baptist and Methodist churches. Catholics used to be pretty thin on the ground in Georgia.

It used to make me angry (still does, in fact) to hear some of the erroneous bullshit that came out of the mouths of some of the non-Catholics I knew about what the Catholic belief system is. Didn't you just love it when someone who had never been inside a Catholic church or knew anything at all about it would tell you what you believed in?

[shrike]

63. Ah yes

I remember the church-going classmate looking at me and asking, "What is sin?"

Me: "excuse me?"

Her: "You have to come with me to my church group, so you can find out what sin is." (Apparently us Catholics didn't know.)

[kskiska]

15. There are several sacraments that Catholics are required to receive

Baptism, First Communion, Confirmation, Marriage, and Extreme Unction (last rights), and there are records on file for each one.

Maybe she just liked to attend mass and called herself a Catholic.

[kurth]

16. The claim is she was "born" Catholic

Typical example:

=====================================================================

Miers: Catholic, Then Evangelical = Pro-life Christian
October 06, 2005 03:49 PM EST

Harriet E. Miers was born Roman Catholic...

http://www.theconservativevoice.com/articles/article.html?id=8793

=====================================================================

Baptism is a HUGE deal in every Catholic family I know (you gotta get your baby baptized ASAP - can't wait - gotta make sure they're saved in case something happens). Furthermore, the Catholic church forbids giving communion at Mass to people who haven't received baptism and first communion.

It is indeed disturbing that Miers has been going around telling people she was BORN Catholic when she really wasn't.

[karlrschneider]

18. can someone be -born- Catholic? I don't see how that is possible

:eyes: :wtf:

[Up2Late]

37. You're right, nobody is "born" Catholic, according to the Catholic Church,

We are Born into a sinful world, then we are "baptized" Catholic, or I believe, someone that was Baptized something else can be "Confirmed" a Catholic.

But "born Catholic???"
Those are the words of the Devil (or someone who knows very little about the Catholic Church).

[dflprincess]

20. Actually they're not as picky about how fast a baby

gets baptized as they used to be.

I was nearly a month old (52 years ago) and my mom said the priest really gave my folks hell for waiting so long. In the cemetary where most my relatives are buried there is a corner set aside for unbaptized babies. Way back when the poor little souls couldn't even be interred near the baptized folks.

But, my friend's nephew was nearly a year old when he was baptized this year and it was no big deal.

I'm so badly lapsed that I don't even know if they still teach that unbaptized babies go to Limbo - which (or so the nuns told us) is like Heaven, but you are not in the direct present of God. Maybe the church decided their attitude didn't gibe with their concern for the unborn. Which makes me think, I never heard what they thought happened to the souls of miscarried babies.

[Matilda]

33. I've known nurses who would baptize miscarried fetuses,

so they would go to Heaven. Otherwise, it's Limbo for them, likewise
aborted fetuses.

[tenshi816]

47. My older son was nearly 2 before he was baptised.

We didn't get any criticism at all from the priest. He was a pretty relaxed guy, and also recognized that people are falling away from the church in record numbers. He was delighted we wanted to get our son baptised at all.

When our next son was born 5 years later, we had him baptised when he was six weeks old. The reason we didn't do it earlier was that we decided to have a combination christening and Christmas party after the baptism!

I don't think they're still teaching that unbaptised babies go to limbo. Both my boys are in Catholic school and neither of them has ever been told anything scary like that - things have changed a lot.

Nuns still make me uneasy though. Isn't that silly?

[shrike]

50. We get a lot of older kids at our church

Some of them have been adopted, others are the children of people who've converted, or fallen away and come back.

No, you're not silly for being uneasy around nuns. I went to Catholic school and they make me uneasy, too.

[tenshi816]

57. A nun story...

We moved into our house 8 years ago, next to a moor in Yorkshire, at the outer edge of our small town. Being new to the area, I didn't know there was a convent up here somewhere (I'm still not sure where it is even after all this time). What I did notice over the first six months or so after moving here was that on a fairly regular basis as I was driving to or from town, I would see a tiny, elderly nun walking along the road.

Now, we live up really high in an area with steep, winding roads that you need 4-wheel drive vehicles on in the winter, so I found it disturbing to see this little nun seemingly materialize out of nowhere. I actually began to think I was imagining her (remember, I didn't know there was a convent nearby), and one day after spying the by-now familiar black-and-white-clad figure making her way up the hill, I stopped my jeep, turned to my older son, who was about 8 at the time, and blurted "can you see that nun?"

The poor kid thought I had lost my mind! It makes me laugh now, but there are so many legends about paranormal occurrences on the moor (ley lines, ghosts, phantom black dogs, rocks that move by themselves, plus it's a UFO "hot spot") that I had very nearly convinced myself the nun was not real. She was, of course.

On a side note, the Catholic schools my two boys attend don't have any nuns on the staff at all. In fact, they've rarely come into contact with nuns and the ones they have met haven't worn habits, nor have they been the types to threaten them eternal damnation or whack them with rulers, so they don't have negative feelings about nuns.

[shrike]

59. Catholic college near me

Is run by the Sisters of St. Joseph, and the related order of monks.

The "Brothers" on staff usually wear collars, but the nuns aren't in habit. The Dean of Academic Affairs is a nun, and she reminds me of a gym teacher, or the kind of woman who is a crack softball player. She still scares me a little, though.

That would be freaky, seeing a nun in full habit, walking on the moors.

[shrike]

49. No, they don't

I have nieces in Catholic school, and brothers and sisters-in-law who converted to Catholicism after marrying my siblings. (Only my husband, the agnostic, remains a heathen. He's also the only man in the family who can fix and build things, which keeps him quite popular.) Vatican II changed a lot of things. For the good, IMO.

[Midlodemocrat]

70. They don't teach about Limbo anymore.

All three of mine were baptized within the first month of their birth, mainly because I wanted to get it done.

So odd that she would say she was born Catholic.

[rodeodance]

27. if her parents attended Catholic church when she was young, she can

say she was 'born' Catholic figuratively of course.

[kskiska]

30. We even received instructions in catechism on how to baptize someone

in an emergency. Sprinkle some water on them and say, "I baptize thee in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost," (it's been quite a while since I've been to church, as you can see).

[antonialee839]

78. Lol, I was just thinking about that. We learned emergency

baptizing in school.

[IndianaGreen]

29. but Catholics don't have open communion

like most Protestants do. One must be Catholic to receive communion. I seem to recall there was a candidate that got in trouble for saying he took communion at a Catholic church but he wasn't Catholic. Does anyone remember?

[CatholicEdHead]

35. That is the theory

but go up in any Catholic church on weekday or weekend services. NOBODY does a "background check" for some type of approval when you walk up. Just be respectful and "act the part" if you so choose.

[antonialee839]

81. That's because it's ingrained that as a Catholic

you better not be receiving Communion with any sins on your soul, and the only way the sinner is absolved is by hitting the confessional and making a good Act of Contrition. As a kid I actually thought that I'd drop dead on the spot were I to receive Communion without absolution. So you see, there really isn't a need for the Church to do ID checks on their parishioners. They aren't concerned with people of other faiths attending their church. My husband wasn't a Catholic and he went to mass all the time. He was never questioned. He converted and now he's way more Catholic than I have ever been. I stopped all church activities the day they passed out the "stop Ed Rendell from giving gay couples benefits" petition during mass.

[Up2Late]

38. You might be thinking of the RW Slander of John Kerry in 2004.

The RW claimed that Kerry couldn't be a "real" Catholic, because he was "pro-Abortion." A very silly argument, is ANYONE here "pro-Abortion???" NO! We are Pro-Choice.

[IndianaGreen]

42. No, I believe the candidate was Protestant. It wasn't Kerry.

and he had gone to Catholic church and I taken communion.

Let me google this real quick....

[IndianaGreen]

43. I found it, it was Bill Clinton!

Clinton and Communion
Did the president try to pull a fast one on God?
By Michael McGough
Posted Friday, June 12, 1998, at 12:30 AM PT

On March 29, the Rev. Mohlomi Makobane, a Catholic priest in Soweto, South Africa, gave Holy Communion to the president of the United States, a Jesuit-educated Southern Baptist who worships at his wife's Methodist church in Washington, D.C.

The policy of the Roman Catholic Church is that except in extreme circumstances, only Catholics (and sometimes Eastern Orthodox Christians) are invited to consume the consecrated bread and wine at a Catholic Mass. Makobane was criticized for his action, as was Bill Clinton, who was judged to have characteristically grabbed something to which he was not entitled. Cardinal John O'Connor of New York used his Palm Sunday sermon to declare the episode "legally and doctrinally wrong" and added this grace note: "Some undoubtedly believe that if one has enough prestige or money, anything goes."

Clinton isn't the first Protestant politician to have been warned he would never eat Communion in this church again. Several years ago, Clinton's 1992 rival Sen. Bob Kerrey, D-Neb., a Congregationalist, stopped taking Communion at a Catholic church after the Catholics-only policy was called to his attention. And the president's British soul mate, Prime Minister Tony Blair, an Anglican, was reported by British papers to have complied with a request that he no longer receive Communion at his wife's Catholic parish. The Catholic Church's scruples about intercommunion cut both ways: The Republic of Ireland's President Mary McAleese, a Catholic, was lectured by the hierarchy after she took Communion at an Anglican cathedral in Dublin.

http://slate.msn.com/id/2506/

[tenshi816]

48. Tony Blair did it once.

His wife is Catholic but he's not, yet he was still allowed to take communion. There was a bit of a flap about it, but not much. I was personally annoyed because I resented that the rules were bent for him.

[JVS]

60. Clinton took communion at a RC church during his presidency.

They are really lax at making sure that people are members.

[knitter4democracy]

68. It's not open, but it's not solely for Roman Catholics.

You have to believe in transubstantiation and come from a church that does. Rome has agreements with some other churches to have inter-communion, but the churches she also mentions don't have those agreements, from what I've seen. That may be why the Church put out that statement--they're angry about a possible breach.

For example, the Pope says that I can take communion in the Catholic church, as I'm Eastern Orthodox. My patriarch, however, says that I can't, as our canon laws disagree on some minor points with the theology behind transubstantiation. So, my daughter, who attends the Catholic school in town, cannot take communion during school mass because of the disagreement between our churches.

[K-W]

87. Basically everyone has to agree on what they are eating. EOM

[Xipe Totec]

32. I know. I've seen the records.

Tracked my family back 300 years. All of the records are interlinked with a tremendous amount of redundancy built in. You could burn whole record books and reconstruct them from indirect information contained in the remaining books; baptism records from wedding records, wedding records from death records and so on.

You just can't lie about being a Catholic.

[tanyev]

9. They've been lying for so long, they don't even know what the truth is.

[truthisfreedom]

11. what a freaking flake. this stuff has GOT to be making the thugs nervous.

she's a wild card, and she's flaky!

[kurth]

14. "Part of Harriet Miers' life is her religion"

And the Catholic church had no freakin' idea who she was...

RETURN TO SENDER - ADDRESS UNKNOWN!

[TomInTib]

19. "formed a separate congregation after a disagreement

about worship styles"

Wonder what that was?
Bet it's a doozy.

[mamalone]

53. yep....

I would love to get that info...Disputes about "worship styles" is causing many many churches to split. Finding out where she falls along that divide is bound to cause half of the fundamentalists(the half on the other side) to virtually discount her.

Like I said..I would really like to find out the specifics of that church split.

[knitter4democracy]

69. I would too.

I'll bet it's interesting. Of course, it might just be the usual: many want a more liturgical service with older hymns while others want a more contemporary service with praise songs.

[XemaSab]

79. Churches frequently have more than one service

with different worship styles at each service. I'd be surprised if that was it.

I bet it's something *juicy.*

[knitter4democracy]

93. Some get tired of that, though.

Having more than one service can really put a strain on the staff and ultimately create two churches within one building. They only have one church board, though, so then it becomes an issue of who's in control of the board. Sometimes, it's just better to split amicably at that point.

All that said, though, my gut says that it was more than that. ;)

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

25. These people feel naked without their lies

They need a lie fix if they can't lie at least once every hour. Lying is an addiction.

[rodeodance]

26. not so odd. i know several people who label themselves as Catholics

attend mass, some have kids in Catolic schools-all without the blessing of the Church.

[muriel_volestrangler]

28. Named quotes

Sister-in-law and the man she sort of dated and who got her to join his church:

Miers grew up in Dallas attending Catholic and Protestant churches, said her sister-in-law Elizabeth Lang-Miers, a state appellate judge. Miers' mother "imbued" her children with a strong sense of Christian faith, said Lang-Miers, but she added that she wasn't sure whether Miers considered herself Catholic or Protestant growing up.

"My impression at the time and since was that she considered herself, if anything, Catholic. But she really didn't consider it very much," said Hecht.

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/176/story_17640_1.html?rnd=22

[Divernan]

31. When she was growing up, Catholic kids were taught they'd go to hell

for setting foot in a Protestant church. That was my era. I was in college before I ever stepped inside a Protestant church, and that was for a cousin's wedding. As I recall, I felt I had to confess it as a sin. Certainly, I ABSOLUTELY NEVER saw any of the Protestant kids in my small town in any of our 4 Catholic churches. Strangers were not welcome,You had to be a baptized Catholic in good standing to take communion at Mass, and anyone who didn't take communion was looked at with great suspicion. This was before Kumbaya, folk masses and all the interfaith stuff of the 60's & 70's.

[kskiska]

58. Yeah, I was taught that too.

Even having non-Catholic friends was frowned upon, but if you were to have one, you were supposed to persuade them to attend church with you.

Non-Catholics weren't exactly welcome to participate in Catholic weddings, either. If a Catholic wanted a non-Catholic best man or matron of honor, that person couldn't step inside the altar rail. Also, no non-Catholic could be Godfather or Godmother at a Catholic baptism.

When a Catholic married a non-Catholic in those days, it was called a "mixed marriage."

[LibDemAlways]

76. When my aunt married a protestant back

in the 1950's, the priest insisted that the ceremony be at night in front of an unlit side altar and that the bride not wear a wedding gown. It was really frowned upon as something shameful. And I recall in the early 60's, just after my family moved to Southern California, we were invited to attend the wedding of a neighbor's daughter at a beautiful non-denominational chapel overlooking the ocean. My parents went but stood in back, just outside the door. I thought that was stupid and disrespectful to the people who had invited them.

[tenshi816]

83. My husband and I had to marry in a Registry Office in the UK

(which is like marrying in a courthouse in the States) because I'm Catholic and he's Church of England and neither church would marry us, although we did have a beautiful CofE "blessing" ceremony the following day in the local village parish church where my husband's family have been members for more than 200 years. It was exactly like a regular English wedding ceremony except we didn't sign the register there.

Since I'm an American myself and we don't do the "signing the register" thing, I didn't mind missing out on that part. In essence, we had two weddings and three receptions over the course of two days. The only bad part was not arranging for someone to take us home from the Saturday night reception and we ended up catching a night bus back to our flat (at about 2 a.m.) in London, still in our wedding clothes - a long story which was frustrating at the time, but makes us laugh now (imagine bride in wedding dress, groom and about a half dozen friends running down the street trying to hail a bus).

About five years later, I was talking to a different priest about not being able to marry in a Catholic church because I married a Protestant, and he said "I'd have performed the ceremony", so now I'm wondering if it's up to the individual priest to decide. The Catholic church has changed so much over the last few decades.

In the case of the Church of England vicar who wouldn't marry us in his church, about six months later he left his wife and ran off with the church's music director!

[LibDemAlways]

86. Completely unrelated to the original post but

a similar story. 15 or so years ago we had a parish priest who was very "by the book." He used to talk a lot about how the chalice he used had little metal thorns on the bottom so that when he picked it up it would prick his hands and he would be reminded of the suffering of Christ.

He was transferred to a nearby church and within a year ran off with the married choir director. She divorced her husband and the two were married. He now is a "rent a priest" - performs non-denominational weddings and funerals for a fee.

[tenshi816]

89. That's changed these days too.

My children's godparents are all non-Catholic.

I still think my marriage is considered "mixed" though. There just doesn't seem to be any stigma attached to it.

[Kailassa]

34. Yep, she definitely belongs in the Patheticillogical Liar Club. n/t

[Historic NY]

36. One cannot be a Catholic w/o being born in baptism..........another ploy..

I think this is just another ploy by the right to rally anti-abortion Catholics. Hell, she couldn't even be a cafeteria Catholic because of the baptism question. She seems to be a member of the church of the month club.....what ever suits her fancy.

[Up2Late]

41. Lawyer Joke: How do you know that a Lawyer is Lying???

His/Her lips are moving.

(This Joke also work just as well for Politicians)

No offense intended to any Lawyers here, just a joke.

[ngGale]

45. They know nothing about being Catholic....

or they should have known, we keep meticulous records. This was sure to come out...how very stupid.

[IndianaGreen]

46. I think that Harriet Miers' entire resume is suspect

She has lied about her background, she has been evasive or downright wrong in her answers to a routine questionnaire, and she has shown complete ignorance in regards to major SCOTUS decisions.

How did Miers' pass her bar exam? Did she really attend the schools she claims to have attended?

[0007]

54. Would be interesting to listen to a conversation between Mike Brown

and Harriet Miers about their livelihood & religious views.

[SillyGoose]

55. I think this was done to try to get the Catholics on board with her

nomination and it backfired when the Catholic church issued its denial of Miers being a Catholic. As has been pointed out in this thread, alot of the Evangelicals (or fundies) don't believe Catholics are real christians so this may have been floated out there to make Miers more palatable to Catholics. This whole nomination is a clusterf* of the highest order.

[FrankX]

84. Going from Catholic to fundie wouldn't help with Catholic votes.

I don't see how this would be a plus.

[goclark]

56. Notice what the article says about Bush

Notice the words "often worships"

I can not understand the Born Agains letting him get away with not attending some church regularly.



>"The White House has said Miers most frequently attends St. John's Episcopal Church — the church across from the White House where Bush often worships — when she is in Washington."

___

[Up2Late]

80. From what I've read, * never goes to any church in D.C.

The only time you'll find him in a church is when a T.V. or video camera is around (for PR).

[arwalden]

72. That Makes No Sense. Surely They Realized How EASY It Would Be To DISPROVE

What could possibly be gained from such a lie that's worth the risk of having the lie so easily exposed?

[Catchawave]

75. The Sacrament of Baptism

can save you $1000+/yr in Catholic School ! Otherwise, being born into a full scramented Catholic Family doesn't make one's child a "Catholic". Follow the money.... :)

My husband's and my last sacrament was our high rolling Nuptial Mass, then we left the church since the Pope wasn't willing to raise my future children, however, was willing to send me to hell for being on the pill. This was the late 60's.

[LibDemAlways]

77. I think they figured no one would

bother to check. and they could just lie without any consequences. Now watch for the backtracking where they'll claim that Miers occasionally attended Catholic mass with friends, but never formally joined. They have an answer for everything.

[onenote]

85. and do really think anyone (other than a few DUers) cares about this?

Let's assume that her parents attended a Catholic church when she was young and she went with them. Whether they or she were "formally" Catholics, if they considered themselves Catholic, do you really think anyone is going to care whether she formally "became" a Catholic? She's not holding herself out as being Catholic now is she? I can't see Jews or Protestants treating someone who went to a particular church and called themselves a member of that faith as "lying" about their religion. (I know non-Christians who married Jews and attend synagogue, celebrate Jewish holidays and hold themselves out as being "Jewish" but who haven't formally converted and no one is running around the synagogue yelling "liar" at them).

The only people (other than DUers with too much time on their hands) that might remotely find this significant might be some orthodox Catholics who treat the rules seriously. But since she doesn't claim to be a Catholic anymore, its not as if it really should matter to these folks anyway.

THere are so many serious flaws in Miers nomination that calling her a liar because she attended Catholic church and considered herself Catholic (even if the church wouldn't consider her Catholic) is silly and simply distracts from the real issues about her lack of competence and qualifications.

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[daleo]

88. Sometimes I think they lie just to show their contempt for people. n/t

[leesa]

90. Of course not..she's a GOP Fundie christian. What is with these Fundies

and their continuous lying???

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

91. More Republican bullshit

:hurts:

[bmbmd]

92. Well, she may not be Catholic but she is a Nun.

As in "She don't want nun, she ain't never had nun, and she ain't gonna get nun."