AP BREAKING: No Indictment - Rove to give more testimony in Plame case

[VolcanoJen]

It's not over... now breaking on CNN.

Looking for link...

LINK:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20051006/ap_on_go_pr_wh/cia_leak_rove_1

Rove Said to Testify in CIA Leak Case

WASHINGTON - Federal prosecutors have accepted an offer from presidential adviser Karl Rove to give 11th-hour testimony in the case of a CIA officer's leaked identity but have warned they cannot guarantee he won't be indicted, according to people directly familiar with the investigation.

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The persons, who spoke only on condition of anonymity because of grand jury secrecy, said Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald has not made any decision yet on whether to file criminal charges against the longtime confidant of President Bush or others.

The U.S. attorney's manual requires prosecutors not to bring witnesses before a grand jury if there is a possibility of future criminal charges unless they are notified in advance that their grand jury testimony can be used against them in a later indictment.

Rove has already made at least three grand jury appearances and his return at this late stage in the investigation is unusual.

The prosecutor did not give Rove similar warnings before his earlier grand jury appearances.

[thedailyshow]

1. interesting!

Is he flipping?

[evlbstrd]

2. He will testify with no gurarantee of immunity.

No word on what he's going to say, of course.

[VolcanoJen]

4. It's as Lawrence O'Donnell suggested... the target letters were bait.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lawrence-odonnell/plamegate-the-next-step_b_8447.html

Excerpt:

Fitzgerald does not have to send Rove or anyone else a target letter before indicting him. The only reason to send target letters now is that Fitzgerald believes one or more of his targets will flip and become a prosecution witness at the pre-indictment stage. A veteran prosecutor told me, "If Fitzgerald is sending target letters at the end of his investigation, those are just invitations to come in and work out a deal."

[burythehatchet]

39. Current Faux spin

"Karl offered to testify again in July but the prosecuter just accepted his offer."
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Cha]

64. fauxsux lies again..they are beyond

spin.

[Imagevision]

181. Vegas odds have Rove being indicted at 8 to 1 chances

seems smart money knows somthing we don't!!

[mzmolly]

75. Ha!

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[warrens]

66. Being invited for a return engagement with no immunity

Is very bad news for the prospective grillee. It may be that they want to use him to get someone else, or to rule something else out. I think there's gonna be a lot of flopsweat around the West Wing for the next week or two.

[crispini]

68. Boy, that Fitzgerald is one canny, canny dude.

Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice.

[Carla in Ca]

133. I read an article yesterday

that said his nickname is 'The Bulldog'. Go Get 'em!

[Bob3]

5. Gonna squeal like a pig - maybe

If they have a real case against him - he'll roll over and show his belly. He didn't get where he was by being loyal.

[gratuitous]

27. Karl's too pretty to go to prison!

Hee, hee. No message. That was just fun to type.

[merwin]

36. Turd blossom will end up getting it

up his turd blossom :-) I'm pretty sure he'll avoid that at all costs

[AndyTiedye]

134. We Want a Karl Rove Frog-March!

[Jackpine Radical]

81. Why do I keep hearing the theme song from Deliverance

running in my head?

[nothometoday]

91. Great...now

thats stuck in my head for the night!

[Lochloosa]

128. ssssqqqqqeeeeeelll sssqqqeeeellllll

Hey, I might make that my new Avatar....

[crankybubba]

154. comparing rove

to degenerates is an insult to degenerates everywhere(;))

[KansDem]

178. You know, there is a resemblance...

Just put glasses on Ned and you've got Karl!

[Lochloosa]

182. But Ned would have been such a good Karl....he would have brought

out the little child in him....

[IntravenousDemilo]

179. "If they have a real case against him, he'll roll over and show his belly"

Maybe we'll see that he indeed has ten or more nipples...?

[i miss america]

21. Apparently so. If prosecutors accepted Rove's offer, than it sure seems

as though they may be giving him a chance to set the record straight and correct any previous inaccurate (or perjured) testimony.

[katty]

104. That is it--one more chance Karl"we know what you said/did"

[sadiesworld]

129. Reminds me of Condi's 9/11 Commission do-over.

:puke:

edit because 2 m's are better than 1 in the word commission

[Zynx]

137. You cannot correct perjured testimony.

[i miss america]

142. True, but it might earn turdblossom a few brownie points

with a lenient judge. Then again, he just might enjoy being locked up with a 6'8" horny cell mate.

Poor kkkarl. :woohoo:

[janx]

3. Ahh...the bargaining begins!

:rofl:

[Junkdrawer]

6. The letter must have mentioned perjury and now KKKarl wants a chance...

"to set the record straight"...

[TroglodyteScholar]

20. Clearly, it's a simple case of...

...Rove having misspoken at some point. It happens to powerful Republicans all the time. :eyes:

[Garbo 2004]

25. Rove's lawyer claims Rove hasn't received target letter. So far. n/t

[bunny planet]

29. no, Rove's lawyer when last asked about the target letter said

'no comment' which means yes, he did receive one.

[Garbo 2004]

34. Luskin today says no target letter received. From AP article:

"I can say categorically that Karl has not received a target letter from the special counsel. The special counsel has confirmed that he has not made any charging decisions in respect to Karl," Luskin said.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/bw-wh/2005/oct/06/100607642.html

[bunny planet]

41. Oh, didn't see that, thanks for the update.

[worldgonekrazy]

144. The explicitly stated lack of guarantee against prosecution is big though

That is basically a so called "target letter" in-and-of itself, as far as I see it.

[HereSince1628]

43. But it could be a phone call! It doesn't need to be a letter.

And once again we have the chance to tell the truth but lie about the seriousness of the situation

[MGKrebs]

63. Not exactly a target, but...

"Before accepting the offer, Fitzgerald sent correspondence to Rove's legal team making clear that there was no guarantee he wouldn't be indicted at a later point as required by the rules."
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/06/cialeak.rove.ap/index.html

Translation: Not exactly a "target", but not out of the field of fire either!

[Garbo 2004]

90. Fitz reportedly sent a letter to Rove saying no quarantee that no

indictment might result. Letting Karl know he's not off the hook as a potential target.

I think fed procedure/policy requires target notification in writing when the person is to testify, either voluntarily or as a result of a subpoena.

And while Luskin said that a target letter must be issued prior to an indictment, it's usual procedure but apparently the gov't is not legally required to notify a target before an indictment is issued. The gov't may choose not to issue a target letter prior to an indictment if doing so might jeopardize the investigation for example, if there is concern regarding flight, destruction of evidence, harm to witnesses. http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_room/usam/title9/11mcrm.htm#9-11.153

[SW FL Dem]

7. Rove to give new testimony to Grand Jury

Breaking CNN NO link yet. CNN says testimony is voluntary but may not prevent charges.

[malaise]

8. The best part

Prosecutors cannot guarantee that he will not be indicted later - MSNBC.
:headbang: :yourock: :rofl: :rofl: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[janx]

9. He's in it up to his eyeballs! n/t

[Uncle Joe]

116. Do we have any snack food here other than popcorn?

:popcorn:

[TygrBright]

127. Yeh, those little round tortilla chips...

...with the orange plastic goop on them. Nachos (rhymes with 'catch-os') or something like that.

And weinies that have been rolling back and forth on one of those oil-coated griller thingies for 24 hours or so until they're kind of wrinkly and hard-looking.

Me, I'll stick with :popcorn:

munchily,
Bright

[Garbo 2004]

10. AP story: Rove Said to Testify in CIA Leak Case

Rove Said to Testify in CIA Leak Case
By JOHN SOLOMON
ASSOCIATED PRESS

WASHINGTON (AP) - Federal prosecutors have accepted an offer from presidential adviser Karl Rove to give 11th hour testimony in the case of a CIA officer's leaked identity but have warned they cannot guarantee he won't be indicted, according to people directly familiar with the investigation.

The persons, who spoke only on condition of anonymity because of grand jury secrecy, said Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald has not made any decision yet on whether to file criminal charges against the longtime confidant of President Bush or others.

The U.S. attorney's manual requires prosecutors not to bring witnesses before a grand jury if there is a possibility of future criminal charges unless they are notified in advance that their grand jury testimony can be used against them in a later indictment.

Rove has already made at least three grand jury appearances and his return at this late stage in the investigation is unusual.
Full at link: http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/bw-wh/2005/oct/06/100607642.html

[Pirate Smile]

11. AP: Karl Rove to give more testimony to Grand Jury. Prosecutors

can't guarantee that he won't be charged. This will be Roves 4th time before the GJ. Similar warnings were not given the past three times Rove testified. Prosecutors must give witnesses the warning (i.e. that they can't guarantee that he won't be charged) if it applies before they have them testify.

This was CNN reporting what AP is reporting.

Did Rove flip????

[Demeter]

12. Trolling for Truth, No Doubt

It's like "what's My Line?" or "To Tell the Truth".

How many guesses does the panel get?

[back2basics909]

13. "Did Rove flip????"

I highly doubt it. More chance that they decided somebody else will get the blame than Rove (or any of them) flipping. The whole houe would come down then.

[HereSince1628]

49. I think Rove is trying to establish the basis of a deal.

Bush has already been distancing himself from Rove.

Rove's importance to Bush obviously includes the possibility that Rove might be able to keep the flames from reaching higher.
That would maybe mean ratting out someone in the WHIG.

Personally, I think Rove isn't a Neocon, rather he's a republican supremicist like DeLay. IMO he'll sacrifice all or part of Cheney's crew to keep himself and the presidency from being torched.

We already know that Libby looks like toast. So if Rove is going to provide something it probably isn't going to be about Libby

[npincus]

58. How is Chimpy distancing himself from Rove?

because Rove was absent from Miers' nomination announcement/ Anything else?

[HereSince1628]

83. Frontpage on DU yesterday...Rove has been generally absent

from public occasions. I doubt it's his work on Katrina recovery that is keeping him away.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

174. Would it really surprise you...

...if they all got together and decided that someone needed to take the fall, and that someone was Libby? He's expendable. Rove isn't.

[proud patriot]

14. I wonder if bush's brain is pissed off at cheney yet ?

I want a battle of the arrogant .

Cheney runs it ?
No
Rove Runs it?

no no no

it's the chimperor?

:rofl:

Gannon to the rescue

:rofl:

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

132. I've pondered this...

...possibility as well. When push comes to shove, they will start turning on each other. We saw it in the late stages of Watergate. Nixon's staff initially closed ranks and served up a sacrificial lamb or two, but the prosecutor (I think Nixon fired him or at least tried to) wasn't satisfied. That's when they collapsed like a house of cards. This criminal cartel is so guilty of so many crimes, so much worse than Plamegate---maybe this is just wishful thinking, but it seems to me they've got to come crashing down, and soon.

[AuntiBush]

164. Sounds "Very" Reasonable.

Good pondering...

[Art_from_Ark]

166. The original prosecutor, Archibald Cox, was fired by Nixon

and was replaced by Leon Jaworski

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

167. You're right. Thank you. nt

[TayTay]

15. Ap Story quote

WASHINGTON (AP) _ Federal prosecutors have accepted an offer from presidential adviser Karl Rove to give 11th hour testimony in the case of a CIA officer’s leaked identity but have warned they cannot guarantee he won’t be indicted, according to people directly familiar with the investigation.

The persons, who spoke only on condition of anonymity because of grand jury secrecy, said Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald has not made any decision yet on whether to file criminal charges against the longtime confidant of President Bush or others.

The U.S. attorney’s manual requires prosecutors not to bring witnesses before a grand jury if there is a possibility of future criminal charges unless they are notified in advance that their grand jury testimony can be used against them in a later indictment

[Beetwasher]

16. Rove Vs. Cheney

n/t

[proud patriot]

17. Bingo

:popcorn:

[smoogatz]

44. Bingo Bongo Bango.

Both have been notably absent from public view of late. No wonder the chimperor looks worried--if Kkkarl AND Unka Dick go to jail, who's going to tuck him in at night?

[BeHereNow]

109. Jack...

...Daniels.
:evilgrin:
BHN

[Pepper32]

148. LOL

[HereSince1628]

51. badda bing, badda boom!

[Stephanie]

54. EXCELLENT!

Rove vs. Cheney, and Rove is a rat anyway so it's no surprise he'd turn.

[mark11727]

172. Sounds like Thunderdome to me...

"Two men enter. One man leaves."

[JerseygirlCT]

18. So is this his last chance to "revise" his past testimony an

avoid prison?

[Junkdrawer]

24. That's my guess too...

"I didn't lie. Let me testify again and I'll tell you what I meant"...

[Tight_rope]

121. Which would be another lie!....LIES...LIES...LIES.

That all he knows. He went to the Universty of LIES. Majored in Lies. And got a Ph.D is Lies.

[janx]

28. Possibly. But it will come at some expense, I'd wager.

He'll probably have to give some more information.

[MadisonProgressive]

19. Could he turn on the Chimperor?

[Stephanie]

55. Why not? He's a loathesome guy. Rove probably hates him as much as we do

Imagine spending every day with the guy.

[Tight_rope]

125. The sad part is that everyone knows that Bush is so dumb...

that they would never blame him or even point a finger saying that he would be smart enough to out a CIA agent. So the buck stops at KKKarl Rove, his "BRAIN"!

[JudyM]

169. Though Miers reportedly said he's the smartest guy she's ever known. n/t

[dave29]

22. The Turdblossoms of Autumn

blooming before our eyes

[janx]

40. ...in clusters!

:rofl:

[Ignacio Upton]

This case is just going to continue

"but have warned they cannot guarantee he won't be indicted"
Fitzgerald is just postponing the indictments to get Rove's testimony. Maybe Libby will take the fall and Rove will get off scott free, as Lawrence O'Donnel hinted could happen.

[Julius Civitatus]

23. WTF?

:wtf:

[bunny planet]

26. This worries me only because Fitzgerald might have to extend the Grand

Jury now. Rove knows that and is perhaps testifying to stall things a bit, maybe they've got a plan in the works to derail Fitzgerald if they can hold off the indictments long enough. They just offered Fitzgerald's boss some cushy job in the private sector and have replace him with someone very suspicious. Can't remember the details. Anybody know about this, who it is.

[FlashHarry]

32. They want this over ASAP

Extending the GJ would bring its resolution that much closer to the '06 elections. This whole deal smells fishy.

[bunny planet]

37. I don't think it's fishy on Fitzgerald's part, just on Roves. The longer

this drags out the longer the Bush crime family has an opportunity to distract from or derail the investigation altogether. They will do anything, they are desperate, this includes engineering an massive attack against our troops or another attack against American citizens. Then, all bets are off, Fitzgerald and his investigation become immediately irrelevant because of a National Security priority. He's got to bring indictments soon.

Besides, I can't stand the wait anymore, it's killing me, I can't think of anything else.

[crispini]

74. Oh, me too. I'm a big fan of Fitz and I want him to take the time

and do the job right... but JEEZ!!!!! Let's INDICT ALREADY!!!

The amazing thing about this is that only us political junkies are following this thing with bated breath. I talked to a somewhat well-informed friend of mine and she had only the vaguest idea of what was going on. Fitz just hasn't been saying much.

The indictments will burst across the American news scene with a loud BOOM of surprise. :evilgrin:

[DemReadingDU]

stalling to get Miers approved for Supreme Court?

what better way for Bush than to stack the court with his friends - Roberts, and now Miers...his personal lawyer

[UpInArms]

30. I wonder what will weigh on the "brain" more heavily

a long prison sentence with no chance of pardon (as *Co will no longer be able to hold onto his office)

or

a suicide death by the hands of the BFEE?

[nvliberal]

31. This is the beginning of the end

of Plamegate, I'm afraid.

Nothing is going to come of this, just as I figured.

[kostya]

65. Someone may take a symbolic fall, but in general I agree. n/t

[Tomee450]

95. I feel the same way.

Probably no one will be indicted.

[worldgonekrazy]

145. I wouldn't give up hope yet

I mean yeah, all the things that have come up against this administration only to fade away into the night. The Downing Street Memo comes straight to mind. If that wasn't a smoking gun, what would be?

But on the other hand, Rove has not testified in front of this grand jury at least four times. That indicates something big is in the works. His lawyers would not allow him to keep testifying if they felt he didn't absolutely have to do so (to avoid prosecution, most likely). Every time he gets up there he just builds more and more of a perjury case against himself.

[Rainscents]

33. I wonder how many times will this will be (Lies) for Rove? Lets see if he

he lied to Grand Jury other times and lie again... They'll hang his ass big time! Rove must be running scare because he knows he'd fucking lied to Grand Jury!

[Jose Diablo]

143. So did Bu$h and Cheney, perjure I mean

There is no way these guys where not the ones pulling the strings on the outing. They had to be the ones at ground zero because they were under pressure at that time to come-up with WMD in Iraq.

The David Kelly murder, outing Plame, outing the cover company she worked for, all this had to happen to place WMD in Iraq.

Even though the placement of the WMD was never pulled-off, to do that these guys needed the watchers out of the way.

Don't think Bu$h is stupid, he's as smart as the rest of them. It is all an act, him acting stupid, he's as shrewed as they come.

[Verve]

35. Can you say perjury?

After visiting the grand jury three times and now going for a fourth, how is this lying piece of turd blossom, going to keep his story straight? He's done for.

Not to mention he'll be tattling on Libby and Cheney so fast it'll make the grand jury heads spin.

My only disappointment is that Bush may come out of this unscathed. I hope I'm wrong!

[Festivito]

168. Rove is expendable to the BFEE. But, so is *.

Rove is in over his head, but with bigger people behind him.

He needs to protect *.
* is expendable to his mom and dad.
Bush Sr. is expendable to his users.
The users are the military(&Congressional/Global) industrial complex.

A problem is that the prosecutor only follows the big picture with *, Cheney and Rove, not the bigger picture of the BFEE and beyond.

But, there could be enough witnesses that would haul in * and Rove and Cheney and they are all somebody's expendable. So, it is still possible.

[Kurovski]

38. Good, Another chance for Turd Blossom to perjure himself.--n/t

[newscott]

45. That's what I'm concerned about

If he lied before and comes clean now, can he be tried for perjury for his prior grand jury testimony?

[Kurovski]

69. He's been told that it does not mean he won't be indicted.

My thinking is that while he's going to do some fancy footwork, he'll still be kicking shit.

I think he's in trouble and he's been told to take one for the team, he's covered, come what may.

He may just be attempting to re-arrange reality a bit to protect, oh I dunno, Cheney?

I think he's going down, there will just be some damage control attempted on Rove's part to protect "big timers".

[Verve]

76. Definitely!

I'm no lawyer, so take this with a grain of salt, but once you lie under oath it continues to be a lie. However, Fitzgerald has power to DECIDE to charge him with this. Also, the grand jury has some control over this as well.

I don't think there are any "do overs". Yet, if Rove gives really juicy info and is remorseful, maybe they'll decide not to charge him.

[Zynx]

138. Yes, he can still be tried for previous perjury. "Sorry" doesn't work here

[Stinky The Clown]

42. Bob Kur on msnbc ...... 3.35 pm edt ......

This will be Rove's fourth trip to the grand jury. He also said that Rove has not said he received a target letter. But then he reiterated the notion that his testimony would not give him any immunity from prosecution.

[DemReadingDU]

46. now on CNN.com

Rove to give additional testimony in leak inquiry
Prosecutors won't guarantee that Bush advisor won't be indicted

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/06/cialeak.rove.ap/index.html

[Pirate Smile]

47. Do we know when he will testify? Tomorrow morning?

[DemReadingDU]

48. now on MSNBC

Without protection, Rove to testify on CIA leak
Prosecutors say there's no guarantee president's adviser won't be indicted


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9613084/

[chieftain]

50. The only reasons to volunteer to appear before a grand jury

for a fourth time are because you are very, very worried about something you have already said or you are ready to throw someone else under the bus or both.It would be extremely difficult to correct your testimony of at least three prior occasions so my bet is that he will try and pin Libby with it.

[snippy]

56. I agree with everything you said except that I think Rove will pin it all

on someone at a lower level than Libby. I would bet that Libby and Rove have discussed who would take the fall in this case if necessary and it would not surprise me if they actually have a volunteer.

[chieftain]

79. I think it is way past that point. Prosecutors tend to work their

way up the food chain not down.

[leftchick]

102. yes and Libby has is already up to his beady little eyes in this shit

I think rove will roll over and put the blame on libby with the hope he can come out with no indictment himself. Can you say Halderman and Erlichman? I knew you could!

:woohoo:

[progressivebydesign]

52. "accepted an offer to testify". Must be pretty fucking nice...

.. can any of us imagine playing those games with a Grand Jury?

[pacalo]

53. But can we believe Turdblossom's testimony?

I can picture Fitzgerald kicked back, eating popcorn during the questioning.

[i miss america]

88. And likewise, I can picture myself kicked back and eating popcorn during

... the impeachment hearings

:popcorn: :party: :bounce: :toast:

Bring it on!!!!!!!

[pacalo]

161. Shh! Can you hear the yukking up going on btw Fitz & his team right now?

Perhaps they've even got a pool going, anticipating who will get fingered, which lies he'll come up with...

I think we're going to get a great birthday present this year:

[i miss america]

175. LOL, I think the yukking you hear is coming from me but

hopefully Fitz will bah bah bah ba da bob bob bob bahda dring ding ding ding da da bahbah brrrrrrrriiinnnnnnnnngggggggg us some good news very soon.

And my word! Crazy Frog kkkarl has such a cute little dinger.

[pacalo]

183. He should consider putting a chastity belt on that dinger soon...

They're waitin' for ya, Turdblossom!

[i miss america]

184. Yup. Hopefully kkkarl will soon learn that life's a bitch. And so is he.

[robbedvoter]

57. Rove vs Cheney? Whom to root for? head exploding - need imput!

Locusts or boils?

[cyberpj]

80. I'm rooting for dual annihilation from this bandstand.

:popcorn: ...they both seem like 'fight-to-the-death'ers to me.

[Tiggeroshii]

59. He reminds me of a desperate little kid.

Pulling out lame excuses to give himself more time to play.

[bspence]

60. Without protection, Rove to testify on CIA leak

From MSNBC:

Without protection, Rove to testify on CIA leak
Prosecutors say there's no guarantee president's adviser won't be indicted

WASHINGTON - Federal prosecutors have accepted an offer from presidential adviser Karl Rove to give 11th hour testimony in the case of a CIA officer’s leaked identity but have warned they cannot guarantee he won’t be indicted, according to people directly familiar with the investigation.

The persons, who spoke only on condition of anonymity because of grand jury secrecy, said Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald has not made any decision yet on whether to file criminal charges against the longtime confidant of President George W. Bush or others.

The U.S. attorney’s manual requires prosecutors not to bring witnesses before a grand jury if there is a possibility of future criminal charges unless they are notified in advance that their grand jury testimony can be used against them in a later indictment.

link

[gratuitous]

61. No immunity?

Looks like some congressional committee had better gear up to get all these folks in to testify and gum up the prosecutor's job by granting immunity left and right like they did for Oliver North, so that another generation of crooked Republican swine can break the law with impunity.

[yellowcanine]

62. If someone is just jerking us around they are succeeding. This is juicy

gossip. Does anyone know anything about this?

[janx]

70. It's not gossip. It's fact.

This is Rove's FOURTH trip to the grand jury!

[loudsue]

120. "prosecutors have accepted an offer from presidential adviser Karl Rove"

Did they really say that? Are they saying Rove is the one who "offered" to testify, and that Fitz ACCEPTED his offer?

Hmm. Can't be correct, methinks....but things are so strange under this misadministration, nothing would surprise me much anymore.

I'm wondering if Libby already outed Rove and boosh. Cheney won't easily give up his power, and Libby is Cheney's man.

:kick:

[bergamot]

67. Let's hope Fitzgerald is fair and balanced

and asks Rove about his sex life.

[Kurovski]

73. Ah yes!, that love triangle: Rove-Gannon-Bush.

The menage-a-blah. Blah, blah.

[cyberpj]

86. Lets hope Fitz will have his cake (more testimony) and eat it too (indict)

Then an all-out brawl between Cheney and Rove would be fun too.

[frictionlessO]

71. Cheneys crew decide to "turn" on Karl (hence the love letter to Miller)

Karl in order to hopefully save himself is taking a major chance by giving testimony unprotected because he ha sno choice.. his only hope now is to give info on bigger fish and that means Cheney not Scooter or any of the others. The only fish that are bigger than Rove is Cheney and little boots and Rove scumbag though he is will not turn on the drunk lord.

Cheney however might go ahead and turn on him, though...

Does this sound about right?

[janx]

77. Obviously, the love letter about the aspens turning

in clusters did not work. :rofl:

[frictionlessO]

99. ya think...

actually Im not sure about that. I think that was the message, they were all going to turn on Karl in order to protect Dick. Thats why he released her because they think they have a deal with Fitz to get away with it on their side (for the most part) if they hand him Karl.

My thinking is that they didnt think Karl would go straight up with Fitz just to get his ducks off against Cheney... who will probably spill a bit about the smirkster.

I think chimpy is alone on a raft in deep sea of his own spooge and vomit thats what I think.

Karl gets to maintain his "at least I was loyal fucker" thing after he gets out of his shortened sentence for turning on Cheney, Cheney in the meantime gets to try and place blame everywhere but on himself not sure how well that will work because there is only one bigger fish to fry after himself and Im sure Rove kept the resident insulated pretty well excepting himself of course.

Bear in mind Im just trying to still think up the bestest yum yum scenarios for the left.

[janx]

106. Yes, there were messages in that letter,

as well as veiled threats. The parts about her being able to write again, etc., were given with the expectation that she would behave in a certain way, I'm sure.

One of the most intriguing parts of all of this is the part about the government and the media. I hope it gets blown wide open.

[frictionlessO]

110. You, me and just about the whole world, Janx!

Very wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide open!

[cyberpj]

78. self deted.

[cyberpj]

84. Like I said, dual annihilation sound pretty good to me...

:popcorn: because both of them seem like the type to fight to the death ifyou ask me.

[frictionlessO]

93. Thats my impression as well.

Either way chimpy is royally screwed because everyone knows (and i mean his cultists as well) are is going to know that his asshole is a perfect fit for Karl and or Cheney. Only way anyone is going to snuggle up to his presidency is because they feel sorry for the mentally deficient amongst us and that would have to include blinky the wonder chimp.

He was not a president in any way at any time, he was only marionette and that my friend is his best defense. What an asinine wimp as well does not know how to control anyone on his staff except through temper tantrums. I hope they make sure he has a bauble or two in his play penitentiary.

[cyberpj]

96. hmmm... I don't see them getting The Chimperor. I feel pretty sure

it was one of those "don't tell me anything but handle it" things.

Or perhaps even "let's not tell him about this" from below.

[frictionlessO]

108. I agree they aren't going to get him on this....

Not for jail time anyways...

there are still so many scandals in the wings, DSM isn't over yet and Abu Ghraib will be leaked if not court ordered. Those are two of my faves that I hope destroy him but I dont think they will either, I think its going to be money... some sorta money thingy pointing back to bush himself.

Who knows maybe someone got pics of him with gucky?

[worldgonekrazy]

151. As soon as those around him sink...

Bush will be fucked. He'll go down somehow. Probably some sort of pre-arranged thing that is actually quite minor, but the fact is that without his cabal he is a sitting duck.

[worldgonekrazy]

147. Seems quite possible

You have to think Rove wouldn't go back in front of the grand jury unless he was very concerned about charges being brought against himself. What would his options be at this point? Some say to "clear up prior testimony," but if he has already perjured himself (which I am nearly certain of), then he can't "undo" that. So the only other logical course of action for him is to give up somebody bigger. That leaves only Bush and Cheney, and I agree that he would not give up Bush.

[DrZeeLit]

72. OOOOh, the smell of a deal during the Friday News Dump... tomorrow...

I hate this.

Can his ass, pleeeeeeeeze!

Zeus cannot be so cruel as to take away our election victories in 2000 2004 without throwing us a bone!

Bone = Rove..... (I'd want more, like Cheney on a platter) but... surely, Rove!!!!!

[MalibuChloe]

82. no indictment or no immunity??? n/t

[HereSince1628]

85. No indictment...YET...the whole point of warning letters is to push

the recipients into trying to make a deal.

[ClayZ]

87. If they are sending the Rove-r right over... today,

to testify this afternoon, will we hear something today?

[nothometoday]

89. I doubt this is true

It stinks to high heaven.

[janx]

100. But then again...

"Everything happens on Friday."

Right?

[SittingBull]

92. Sorry

but it looks like an endless tactical mess with no end in sight.

If we have enough material to be sure that they all need to get indicted, and we could find it easy on the net like this http://www.thinkprogress.org/leak-scandal
why can't Fitzgerald prosecute with this material as base?

[snippy]

101. Fitzgerald showed his evidence to the Court of Appeals and convinced

Judge Tatel that crimes were committed. Fitzgerald probably is accepting Rove's offer to testify one more time just to give Rove one last chance to tell the truth or to avoid giving the White House the opportunity after indictments are issued to criticize him for turning Rove's offer down.

[not fooled]

117. Yep, Fitzgerald may be...

...basically a tough, honest guy (well, as much as a 'puke CAN be), but we are talking about toppling the BFEE here. No way they will let one guy with integrity muck things up. Lots of questioning and behind-the-scenes groveling but nothing more is my prediction.

Which means, no way will kkk and other admin higher-ups be indicted (but I really, really hope I'm wrong).

[dubyaD40web]

94. Rove will sing.

Then he'll be pardoned by *.

[janx]

97. FREEPERS are trying to get their heads around this one...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1497868/posts

It's a laffer...!

[Tiggeroshii]

111. It's a rough day for them

=)

[randr]

98. I smell a delay tactic

An earlier post had info that the prosecutor could extend the inquiry if anyone comes forward.

[goforit]

114. Yep......Delayed by the master.....ROVE!!!!

Fitzgerald must be off his rocker!!!

[Stand and Fight]

I've a bad feeling about all of this.

People on this board are not going to be happy with the outcome. I've a feeling the dirty rotten bastards are going to get off once again.

[Kolesar]

118. Me too, Obi Wan...eom

[brentspeak]

119. I feel the same

Rove is too smart to simply offer unprotected grand jury testimony without knowing something we don't. He's got something in mind.

[Stand and Fight]

139. That's my thought.

The slippery bastard has been before them three times already, and now he is willing to go before the GJ again? No dice. The game is rigged.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

173. Wouldn't surprise me in the least.

These fuckers have never had to answer for any of their mistakes, fuckups, or crimes.

[RSchewe]

103. This sounds like Rove may not be getting indicted, but....

if all of this invetigating has been done and he has not indicted someone like Rove, maybe they are going after someone like Dick Cheney.

That is just my loose speculation.

This is my simple math:

The U.S. attorney's manual requires prosecutors not to bring witnesses before a grand jury if there is a possibility of future criminal charges unless they are notified in advance that their grand jury testimony can be used against them in a later indictment.

+

The prosecutor did not give Rove similar warnings before his earlier grand jury appearances.

=

sounds like he can't be indicted...

[pacalo]

162. The important thing is that Fitzgerald included the warning for

Rove's appearance tomorrow.

[Tight_rope]

105. Hot Damn.....I need to start investing my money in popcorn stocks!

Which shall if be? Orville Redenbacher, Healthy Choice, Pop-Secret, ActI, II and III (Not sure how many Roman numerals they have now), Lean Cuisine, or Weight Watches. Hell...I'll just invest in all of them. At this point it doesn't matter whether you are on a diet or not, whether you like butter, extra butter, light butter or no butter, Caramel, kettle corn, cheddar cheese, nuts or no nuts.

EVERYONE IS GOING TO BE EATING POPCORN WHILE WAITING TO SEE WHAT THE OUTCOME OF KKKARL ROVE WILL BE. SO EAT UP EVERYONE. :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: .:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: AND DON'T FORGET YOU WILL NEED SOMETHING TO WASH IT DOWN. :beer:

[daleo]

107. I think presidential pardons are in the works

This is getting pretty high, just like Iran-Contra did with Reagan. They criminals will mostly get off, but it will probably mean no Republican presidential candidate can be elected in 2008.

[Catfight]

112. How can someone that commits treason be trusted with giving honest

truthful statements or testimony? Seems to me, why bargain with the devil, aka: Rove.

[janx]

113. Fitz is probably well aware of that.

Maybe this fourth Turd Blossom "visit" is for Fitz' amusement, or maybe he wants Rove to sing.

[Tight_rope]

115. LMBAO...You know I never thought about it that way...

But now that you have enlightened me. I must say that you are absolutely "RIGHT". Indict, Convict and Imprison the motherfucker.:spank:

[Historic NY]

122. Interesting a 4th appearance w/o immunity...............

Perhaps old Fitz...has a trick up his sleeve. This is unusual but not to unexpected. Perhaps he is giving Rove one final time to come clean or he intends to use him to rebut the testimony of another. I expect that all the gloves will be off in this round. He is definitely going to be sweating old Turd Blossom for all the stink. Perhaps there is a perjury problem.....or something with hearsay or third party testimony. Fitz still isn't offering him a free pass. A witness is always subject to recall but this seems different.

[Pithy Cherub]

124. He's a witness with a charter. The legal options

are huge: Rove give us the correct record. we can lessen the charges if you can offer corrobating evidence of the following witnesses or you can take the fall for this crime in total. The variations and gradations of felonies and misdemeanors is huge! And nothing is off the table for Rove so if you want immunity let's hear what you have to tell us and show us.... Turdblossom fried...

:popcorn:

[confludemocrat]

123. Rove will lie and provide disinfo to grand jury, knowing Bush will pardon

He knows testimony of others to a large extent and will do anything to protect Bush from a
criminal charge. Fitz. may have something Rove doesn't know about, though.

[OneAngryDemocrat]

126. I hate to Ask something...

that might have already been posted, but...

Could this particular story indicate a PLEA AGREEMENT between Fitzgerald and Rove?

[The Night Owl]

130. WTF is up with the title of this thread?

The article very clearly states that Rove could still be indicted.

[janx]

131. It's somebody's idea of a headline,

I guess. :shrug:

[phiddle]

135. Perhaps another scenario:

That the investigation has uncovered NEW areas/charges, Rove was notified that he was a target in those, and volunteered to testify. I don't think that he would volunteer concerning material he had already covered in testimony; the risk of perjury is too great. But if there were new charges arising, this could explain his behavior.
(Edit) The new charges could be perjury; that his testimony conflicted with that of others.

[cshldoc]

136. He just has to hold out...

..until the NYC subway bombing scheduled for sometime during Ramadan. Then all will be forgotten. 'United We Stand' and all that horsesh*t...

[The Night Owl]

140. Mods please correct the title of this thread!

[VolcanoJen]

170. As the news broke, that's the way the story was reported.

Hence, the headline... heat of the moment, but reported verbatim as the story broke, I assure you.

Also, as of 2:00 am EDT, no indictments.

I promise you... I take the LBN forum very seriously and meant no disservice, nor hysteria, in the subject title.

[Jacobin]

141. No wonder there is a Terra Lert in NY

:rofl:


:rofl:

[Rhiannon12866]

153. That's what I've been thinking. The timing and subject of Bush*'s speech,

today, sounded like a very strange non sequitur to me. But now I get it. Distraction is the name of the game with this gang...

[kitty1]

159. The timeing of the New York subway scare was no coincidence...

That is just the staging for the HUGE distraction what will be coming down soon. The big speech about "enemies" plotting in Iraq by * today.
I'm betting the timing will occur within a couple of weeks. Just before Fitz's big pronouncements.

[Rhiannon12866]

165. I realize that now, especially after reading more of the articles posted

here and listening to Olbermann. I can't believe that I was confused by Bush*'s seeming non sequitur, since this speech made no sense to me in the context of what considered I considered to be the real news, the DeLay accusations, let alone the pending indictments for Rove and Libby. But, in my defense, I was all caught up in taking my dog to the vet, today, and I was worried, so was distracted. But my dog's prognosis is good, and I get it now. I am sure familiar with their distraction tactics, after almost six years. My friend, who is one of us, says that a terror alert makes sense to her, since the Yankees are back in NY, followed by an influx of tourists, but we know their game by now. And distraction is the name of it...:-(

[kma3346]

177. That's exactly what I was thinking yesterday

It's too coincidental and the speech yesterday seemed very weird to me--it almost seemed to be aimed at preparing the public for something.

I'm also worried about some kind of major terrorist "distraction" that will delay the completion of this grand jury and result in martial law. And I'm particularly worried about something happening in Chicago--particularly the Chicago subway system, which I heard somewhere is near (under?) the courthouse. This makes me very nervous. I hate to be so paranoid, but yesterday I started getting the jitters when I heard that Rove was going to testify again.


:tinfoilhat: :scared: :scared: :tinfoilhat:

[Tight_rope]

155. Damn...can they be that stupid...We know all the tricks....n/t

:spank:

[VolcanoJen]

171. I've been at work, and out of touch, since the Rove story first broke.

While driving home and listening to the radio, I learned that the New York subway was under heightened security.

I laughed, and then felt ashamed that "boy crying wolf to distract America" was in full-effect.

Apparently, DHS disputes the heightened thread, which plays out pretty much as predicted.

I'm watching the repeat of Paula Zahn now, and she's talking about a threat involving, and I quote, "baby carriages and briefcases."

For crying out loud. Does it get more colorfully hysteric?

Now, Jamie McIntyre claims the threat is "highly classified" but might be related to a raid in Iraq involving new CIA information on Al-Qaeda operations.

Full-effect.

[Guaranteed]

146. He's breaking. Give up your buddies, Rove. nt

[The Wielding Truth]

149. Fitz should not listened to Karl Rove. Just let his actions speak.

They say "character assassination & slander & treason & lying under oath & outing government agent & money laundering" = INDICTMENT

[usregimechange]

150. Almost time for a frog march

[Catchawave]

152. What offer.....?

Do the Bush sh*theads know how much they're destroying our country? Not to mention the MSM sh*theads who are ignoring all the signs...errgghh. Where's our Woodward and Bernstein for this generation...dammit to hell !!!!!???

[MellowOne]

156. To Rove

"We Know What You Did Last Summer"

[sakabatou]

157. We will see him in cuffs one day

[pacalo]

163. And in one of these...

[gardenista]

158. Rove to Testify Again in CIA Leak Case (LAT)

Federal prosecutors warn they cannot guarantee the presidential adviser won't be indicted.


WASHINGTON -- Presidential adviser Karl Rove has agreed to give last-minute testimony to a grand jury in the ongoing investigation into the leak of a covert CIA agent's identity.

It is unclear why Rove has been asked to make another trip — his fourth — to the grand jury investigating who leaked the name of CIA agent Valerie Plame.

(snip)

After New York Times reporter Judith Miller testified before the grand jury last week, Luskin said, "I was advised ... that might like his further cooperation and the prosecutor affirmed that he has made no decision on whether to charge Karl," Luskin said.

(snip)

"Certainly, it's not particularly good," said the Justice Department official. "What, exactly, the significance is, I can't say. But it can't be good."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-100605leak_lat,0,7095414.story?coll=la-home-headlines

I don't have a link to the NPR story I heard a few minutes ago that said Rove has NO IMMUNITY for this testimony.

[Marr]

160. Not so "brainy" after all, is he?

Looks like the little man-pig was outsmarted by a mile.

[Algorem]

176. CBS-Testimony A Risky Move For Rove

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/07/politics/main924554.shtml

Testimony A Risky Move For Rove

WASHINGTON, Oct. 7, 2005

Law professor Stephen Gillers said it was unusual for a witness to be called back to a grand jury four times and that the prosecutor's legally required warning to Rove is "an ominous sign" for the presidential adviser.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


(CBS/AP) President Bush's chief political adviser, Karl Rove, has been called to testify for the fourth time before the grand jury investigating the leak of a CIA officer's name.

CBS News Senior White House correspondent Bill Plante reports the potential bad news for Rove is that even though he was told earlier he was not a specific target of this investigation he has now been warned there is no guarantee he won't be indicted.

Rove offered in July to return to the grand jury and Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald accepted last Friday, lawyers familiar with the investigation said Thursday, speaking only on condition of anonymity...

[savemefromdumbya]

180. look out for more terror attacks

apparently 4 people were 'caught' trying to blow up the NY subway which suggests that this was a cloak to cover the front pages when Rove gets indicted but it was botched. Seems like Cheney will be in there somewhere too?