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sled Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 06:35 PM
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AP Survey: Experts see new kind of war

http://www.sanluisobispo.com/mld/sanluisobispo/news/world/12095822.htm

CHARLES J. HANLEY

Associated Press

Sat, Jul. 09, 2005

New York and Washington. Bali, Riyadh, Istanbul, Madrid. And now
London.

(snip)

The experts aren't encouraged. One prominent terrorism researcher sees
the prospect of "endless" war. Adds the man who tracked Osama bin
Laden for the CIA, "I don't think it's even started yet."

An Associated Press survey of longtime students of international
terrorism finds them ever more convinced, in the aftermath of London's
bloody Thursday, that the world has entered a long siege in a new kind
of war. They believe that al-Qaida is mutating into a global
insurgency, a possible prototype for other 21st-century movements,
technologically astute, almost leaderless. And the way out is far from
clear.

(snip)

The cold statistics of a RAND Corp. database show the impact of the
explosion of violence in Iraq: The 5,362 deaths from terrorism
worldwide between March 2004 and March 2005 were almost double the
total for the same 12-month period before the 2003 U.S. invasion.

(snip)

Scheuer, who headed the CIA's bin Laden unit for nine years, sees a
different way out - through U.S. foreign policy. He said he resigned
last November to expose the U.S. leadership's "willful blindness" to
what needs to be done: withdraw the U.S. military from the Mideast,
end "unqualified support" for Israel, sever close ties to Arab oil-
state "tyrannies."
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 07:08 PM
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1. Wasn't this predicted over and over
again by people who soon fell out of favor with the Neo cons.
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sled Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 09:41 PM
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2. Absolutely...
More like, from all sides. The mere mention of our "'unqualified support' for Israel" gets you branded as everything from a "conspiracy theorist", to an "anti-semite", & all bull shit, in between. To suggest the obvious, is no longer PC, as America falls further through the Looking Glass, landing squarely in OZ...

Across the spectrum, reality is whatever the PC propagandists, from both parties, say it is, regardless of reality. Political correctness is destroying America, no matter what the "terra-ists" do...don't state the facts, else it may offend someone...complete & utter, bull shit...
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 12:27 AM
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3. I don't care what happens to
Israel. I fell out of love with them in June of 1967 when they murdered my brothers on the USS Liberty. Even without that, to me America is more important than Israel. I resent Israel spying on us. I resent their manipulation of our representatives.

I lived and worked around Israelis and did some heavy drinking and partying with an Israeli Army Major. The Israeli people impressed me, but their government sucks.
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sled Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 07:33 AM
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4. You bet...
But, unfortunately, some Americans falsely believe, that somehow we should surrender everything, in defense of a piece of sand, most Americans will never so much as visit, much less care about. An "ally"??? I guess that depends on what the definition of "is, is"...personally, I think we've been used, & abused...the very alliances the Founders warned against...
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 09:54 AM
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6. How much of our Israel policy reality based, and how much of it
is based on superstition?
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sled Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 07:58 PM
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8. Yep...
a lot. Talk to an "End Timer", or anyone else who believes the Middle East is their "Holy Land"...there's no question about it, & they're dragging all Americans down the rat hole with them, for no other reason, but their belief in myths...
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azoth Donating Member (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 10:06 AM
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7. And doesn't this say it all?
"I lived and worked around Israelis and did some heavy drinking and partying with an Israeli Army Major. The Israeli people impressed me, but their government sucks."

The insanity of our world is that the two percent of the population that can be described as "extremist" - whether christian, muslim, or just plain old Blue Velvet - are running things, and seem to be happiest when merrily running them into the ground.

Extremistarchy...Coming Soon To A Street Corner Near You!
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 09:25 PM
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10. It's not going to get any better. I don't see things returning
to a semblance of sanity. Resources are drying up, instead of developing low impact, low resource technology, we will band into warring tribes and slaughter each other.
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Drifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 08:13 AM
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5. And this is the result ...
of a lunatic who can never, and will never admit his many mistakes. We WILL stay the course, regardless if the course is wrong.

This is not about what is best for America, it is about being perceived as a great president. AWOL doesn't realize that without the first, there is no way to achieve the second.

Cheers
Drifter
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 08:47 PM
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9. endless, until the dems take back the senate.....
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