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Lori Price CLG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 01:46 AM
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Where they'll bury us if bird flu hits Bay (NZ)
Where they'll bury us if bird flu hits Bay

Burial grounds have been earmarked in Hawke's Bay (NZ) for a deadly flu epidemic that could kill thousands of the region's people. The nightmare scenario is part of health authorities' planning for an event they say is "a matter of when - not if".

The first suspected case of human-to-human transmission of bird flu was reported in Vietnam two weeks ago. Five more cases of bird flu were reported yesterday. Clinical director of medicine for Hawke's Bay District Health Board Richard Meech said it was just a matter of time before the region had to deal with the deadly consequences of a bird flu outbreak.

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Lori Price
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 02:26 AM
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1. Nuts. And I was having a pretty good night up until now. n/t
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 02:10 PM
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20. OTOH, I always wanted to visit New Zealand. n/t
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 02:37 AM
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2. Watch out. It is a coming. Stay away from Wally World!
Lori, ever checked into Skolnick?
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Lori Price CLG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 01:24 PM
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17. I've seen a few of his articles... I bet he's all over this one, LOL! n/t
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 03:02 AM
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3. Read the articles on this webpage...
Recombinomics - News Commentary
<http://www.recombinomics.com/whats_new.html>

Looks like there may be two or more locations where human-to-human transmission is currently taking place.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 03:51 AM
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4. Unfortunately, it will take something like this to wake the sheeple
A couple million Americans dead and maybe people will start paying attention to the Republican's betrayal of science and reason.

I hate to say it, but the only way regimes like this with such a lock on power have EVER lost power is through some catastrophe.
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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 08:52 AM
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8. Maybe not . . .
. . . they'll just say it's god punishing the world for, well, you name it: gay's, stem-cell research, abortion, Clinton's, etc. Never misunderestimate the stupidity of a mob.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 03:00 PM
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22. The Republicans may just hit the trifecta
Losing (or starting another) war, collapsing the economy AND a virulent pandemic....

In a way- better now than 10-20 years later, when we don't have the cheap energy resources to deal with it.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 06:21 AM
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5. Scary aticle today , MSNBC -virus is now drug resistent because
Edited on Sat Jun-18-05 06:59 AM by Phoebe Loosinhouse
the Chinese authorized one of the 2 anti-viral drugs useful against avian flue to be used in Chinese poultry and now, voila! drug resistent! How tragically stupid. There have been flu scares before that were not as bad as predicted (swine, etc.) and we will just have to hope that this one too mutates out of some of the virulence. Hope is our medicine of last resort.
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pandemic_1918 Donating Member (679 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 08:00 AM
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7. Amantadine Resistance in the US and Europe
The amantadine resistant bird flu appeared in the US and Europe before it appeared in Asia

http://www.recombinomics.com/News/06180501/H5N1_Amantadine_Resistance.html
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 02:39 PM
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21. Why am I not surprised...
...that when I type "Henry Niman" (a.k.a. recombinomics) into google, one of the top ten links is to Rense.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 03:32 PM
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27. Why am I not surprised that some DU posters seem to enjoy trying to...
...discredit people like Henry Niman?

Maybe you should have read Niman's background before you posted your comment:

<http://www.recombinomics.com/founder.html>

QUOTE:

Recombinomics, Inc. Founder and President, Henry L Niman earned a PhD at the University of Southern California in 1978. His dissertation focused on feline retroviral expression in tumors in domestic cats.

He took a postdoctoral position at Scripps Clinic and Research Foundation where he developed monoclonal antibody technology. He fused monoclonal antibody and synthetic peptide technologies and accepted a staff position at Scripps.

In 1982, he developed the flu monoclonal antibody, which is widely used throughout the pharmaceutical, biotech, and research industries in epitope tagging techniques. He also produced a broad panel of monoclonal antibodies against synthetic peptides of oncogenes and growth factors. These monoclonal antibodies were distributed worldwide to researchers by the National Cancer Institute. The antibodies identified novel related proteins which correlated with clinical parameters.

This technology was used to form ProgenX, a cancer diagnostic company that became Ligand Pharmaceuticals. Dr Niman subsequently identified protein expression patterns at the University of Pittsburgh. More recently, he became interested in infectious diseases while at Harvard Medical School. He then founded Recombinomics and discovered how viruses rapidly evolve. These latest findings are the subject of recent patent filings.



Just offhand, I'd say that Dr. Niman is well-qualified to comment on Avian Flu, and anyone using him as a reference is standing on more than solid ground.

So, just out of curiousity, what background do you have that qualifies you to be critical of Dr. Niman?
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Lori Price CLG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 03:46 PM
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29. Dr. Niman has the credentials to comment. As a sidebar, I notice that...
Edited on Sat Jun-18-05 03:48 PM by Lori Price CLG
whenever one posts messages on possible Bush regime complicity in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or bioterror (BTW, who mailed the anthrax from Fort Detrick in 2001?), Freepers and lurkers use this forum to show their 'true colors.'

Lori Price
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GHOSTDANCER Donating Member (550 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 01:11 PM
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34. Maybe it has something to do with this.........
LONDON: What does the truth look like? Google, the company that was recently confirmed as the biggest media firm on the planet, rather hopes that it reads something like this: WO 2005/029368.

That is the number of one of several patents filed in the U.S. recently by the Californian Internet giant. According to that patent, Google is for the first time planning to rank news stories according to their accuracy and reliability as well as their topicality.

Google, and its heavyweight competitors, are pouring billions of dollars and thousands of staff hours into trying to ensure that when you search on the Internet, you receive not only exactly the information you want, but also information that is true.


<http://www.hindu.com/2005/06/19/stories/2005061902301800.htm>
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mcg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 03:35 PM
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28. Washington Post: Bird Flu Drug Rendered Useless

Another article about this...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/17/AR2005061701214.html

Bird Flu Drug Rendered Useless
Chinese Chickens Given Medication Made for Humans

HONG KONG -- Chinese farmers, acting with the approval and encouragement of government officials, have tried to suppress major bird flu outbreaks among chickens with an antiviral drug meant for humans, animal health experts said. International researchers now conclude that this is why the drug will no longer protect people in case of a worldwide bird flu epidemic. ...

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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 06:51 AM
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6. when it hits the truckers will be sick and dead along with power companies
water and sewer.. all services will be down.. do you know where a well is..?? do you have a years food..there wont be Any in trucks on the road?? there isn't going to be anything for a long time.. better arm up too the police will be down and overwhelmed.. better have a big caliber hand gun and lots of ammo, and know how to use it.

right now the bird flu kills 72% to 88% of all treated. it has killed in hours to 5 days
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 10:40 AM
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9. 78 DEAD SCIENTISTS in a few short years..since 2001 mostly.....
Edited on Sat Jun-18-05 10:54 AM by jus_the_facts
:tinfoilhat:?????????????:scared:
http://www.stevequayle.com/dead_scientists/UpdatedDeadScientists2.html

Died 2005

#78: Leonid Strachunsky. Died: June 8, 2005 after being hit on the head with a champagne bottle. Strachunsky specialized in creating microbes resistant to biological weapons. Strachunsky was found dead in his hotel room in Moscow, where hed come from Smolensk en route to the United States. Investigators are looking for a connection between the murder of this leading bio weapons researcher and the hepatitis outbreak in Tver, Russia.

#77: Robert J. Lull, age 66. Died: May 19, 2005 of multiple stab wounds. Despite his missing car and apparent credit card theft, homicide Inspector Holly Pera said investigators aren't convinced that robbery was the sole motive for Lull's killing. She said a robber would typically have taken more valuables from Lull's home than what the killer left with. Lull had been chief of nuclear medicine at San Francisco General Hospital since 1990 and served as a radiology professor at UCSF. He was past president of the American College of Nuclear Physicians and the San Francisco Medical Society and served as editor of the medical society's journal, San Francisco Medicine, from 1997 to 1999. Lee Lull said her former husband was a proponent of nuclear power and loved to debate his political positions with others.

#76: Todd Kauppila, age 41. Died: May 8, 2005 of hemorrhagic pancreatitis at the Los Alamos hospital, according to the state medical examiner's office. Picture of him was not available to due secret nature of his work. This is his funeral picture. His death came two days after Kauppila publicly rejoiced over news that the lab's director was leaving. Kauppila was fired by director Pete Nanos on Sept. 23, 2004 following a security scandal. Kauppila said he was fired because he did not immediately return from a family vacation during a lab investigation into two classified computer disks that were thought to be missing. The apparent security breach forced Nanos to shut down the lab for several weeks. Kauppila claimed he was made a scapegoat over the disks, which investigators concluded never existed. The mistake was blamed on a clerical error. After he was fired, Kauppila accepted a job as a contractor at Bechtel Nevada Corp., a research company that works with Los Alamos and other national laboratories. He was also working on a new Scatter Reduction Grids in Megavolt Radiography focused on metal plates or crossed grids to act to stop the scattered radiation while allowing the unscattered or direct rays to pass through with other scientists: Scott Watson (LANL, DX-3), Chuck Lebeda (LANL, XTA), Alan Tubb (LANL, DX-8), and Mike Appleby (Tecomet Thermo Electron Corp.)

#75: David Banks, age 55. Died: May 8, 2005. Banks, based in North Queensland, died in an airplane crash, along with 14 others. He was known as an Agro Genius inventing the mosquito trap used for cattle. Banks was the principal scientist with quarantine authority, Biosecurity Australia, and heavily involved in protecting Australians from unwanted diseases and pests. Most of Dr Banks' work involved preventing potentially devastating diseases making their way into Australia. He had been through Indonesia looking at the potential for foot and mouth disease to spread through the archipelago and into Australia. Other diseases he had fought to keep out of Australian livestock herds and fruit orchards include classical swine fever, Nipah virus and Japanese encephalitis.

#74: Dr. Douglas James Passaro, age 43. Died April 18, 2005 from unknown cause in Oak Park, Illinois. Dr. Passaro was a brilliant epidemiologist who wanted to unlock the secrets of a spiral-shaped bacteria that causes stomach disease. He was a professor who challenged his students with real-life exercises in bioterrorism. He was married to Dr. Sherry Nordstrom..


#73: Geetha Angara, age 43. Died: February 8, 2005. This formerly missing chemist was found in a Totowa, New Jersey water treatment plant's tank. Angara, 43, of Holmdel, was last seen on the night of Feb. 8 doing water quality tests at the Passaic Valley Water Commission plant in Totowa, where she worked for 12 years. Divers found her body in a 35-foot-deep sump opening at the bottom of one of the emptied tanks. Investigators are treating Angara's death as a possible homicide. Angara, a senior chemist with a doctorate from New York University, was married and mother of three.



#72: Jeong H. Im, age 72. Died: January 7, 2005. Korean Jeong H. Im, died of multiple stab wounds to the chest before firefighters found in his body in the trunk of a burning car on the third level of the Maryland Avenue Garage. A retired research assistant professor at the University of Missouri - Columbia and primarily a protein chemist, MUPD with the assistance of the Columbia Police Department and Columbia Fire Department are conducting a death investigation of the incident. A "person of interest" described as a male 6'–6'2" wearing some type of mask possible a painters mask or drywall type mask was seen in the area of the Maryland Avenue Garage. Dr. Im was primarily a protein chemist and he was a researcher in the field.


Died in 2004



#s70-71: Tom Thorne, age 64; Beth Williams, age 53; Died: December 29, 2004. Two wild life scientists, Husband-and-wife wildlife veterinarians who were nationally prominent experts on chronic wasting disease and brucellosis were killed in a snowy-weather crash on U.S. 287 in northern Colorado.


#69: Taleb Ibrahim al-Daher. Died: December 21, 2004. Iraqi nuclear scientist was shot dead north of Baghdad by unknown gunmen. He was on his way to work at Diyala University when armed men opened fire on his car as it was crossing a bridge in Baqouba, 57 km northeast of Baghdad. The vehicle swerved off the bridge and fell into the Khrisan river. Al-Daher, who was a professor at the local university, was removed from the submerged car and rushed to Baqouba hospital where he was pronounced dead.



#68: John R. La Montagne, age 61. Died: November 2, 2004. Died while in Mexico, no cause stated, later disclosed as pulmonary embolism. PhD, Head of US Infectious Diseases unit under Tommie Thompson. Was NIAID Deputy Director. Expert in AIDS Program work and Microbiology and Infectious Diseases.

#67: Matthew Allison, age 32. Died: October 13, 2004. Fatal explosion of a car parked at an Osceola County, Fla., Wal-Mart store. It was no accident, Local 6 News has learned. Found inside a burned car. Witnesses said the man left the store at about 11 p.m. and entered his Ford Taurus car when it exploded. Investigators said they found a Duraflame log and propane canisters on the front passenger's seat. Allison had a college degree in molecular biology and biotechnology.

#66: Mohammed Toki Hussein al-Talakani, age 40. Died: September 5, 2004: Iraqi nuclear scientist was shot dead in Mahmudiya, south of Baghdad. He was a practicing nuclear physicist since 1984.

#65: Professor John Clark, Age 52, Died: August 12, 2004. Found hanged in his holiday home. An expert in animal science and biotechnology where he developed techniques for the genetic modification of livestock; this work paved the way for the birth, in 1996, of Dolly the sheep, the first animal to have been cloned from an adult. Head of the science lab which created Dolly the sheep. Prof Clark led the Roslin Institute in Midlothian, one of the world s leading animal biotechnology research centers. He played a crucial role in creating the transgenic sheep that earned the institute worldwide fame. He was put in charge of a project to produce human proteins (which could be used in the treatment of human diseases) in sheep's milk. Clark and his team focused their study on the production of the alpha-I-antitryps in protein, which is used for treatment of cystic fibrosis. Prof Clark also founded three spin-out firms from Roslin - PPL Therapeutics, Rosgen and Roslin BioMed.

#64: Dr. John Badwey, age 54. Died: July 21, 2004. Scientist and accidental politician when he opposed disposal of sewage waste program of exposing humans to sludge. Suddenly developed pneumonia like symptoms then died in two weeks. Biochemist at Harvard Medical School specializing in infectious diseases.

#63: Dr. Bassem al-Mudares. Died: July 21, 2004. Mutilated body was found in the city of Samarra, Iraq*. He was a Phd. chemist and had been tortured before being killed. He was a drug company worker who had a chemistry doctorate.



#62: Professor Stephen Tabet, age 42. Died on July 6, 2004 from an unknown illness. He was an associate professor and epidemiologist at the University of Washington. A world-renowned HIV doctor and researcher who worked with HIV patients in a vaccine clinical trial for the HIV Vaccine Trials Network

#61: Dr. Larry Bustard, age 53. Died July 2, 2004 from unknown causes. He was a Sandia scientist in the Department of Energy who helped develop a foam spray to clean up congressional buildings and media sites during the anthrax scare in 2001. He worked at Sandia National Laboratories in Albuquerque. As an expert in bioterrorism, his team came up with a new technology used against biological and chemical agents.

#60: Edward Hoffman, age 62. Died July 1, 2004 from unknown causes. Hoffman was a professor and a scientist who also held leadership positions within the UCLA medical community. He worked to develop the first human PET scanner in 1973 at Washington University in St. Louis.

#59: John Mullen, age 67. Died: June 29, 2004. A Nuclear physicist poisoned with a huge dose of arsenic. A nuclear research scientist with McDonnell Douglas. Police investigating will not say how Mullen was exposed to the arsenic or where it came from. At the time of his death he was doing contract work for Boeing.

#58: Dr. Paul Norman, age 52. Died: June 27, 2004. From Salisbury Wiltshire. Killed when the single-engine Cessna 206 he was piloting crashed in Devon. Expert in chemical and biological weapons. He traveled the world lecturing on defending against the scourge of weapons of mass destruction. He was married with a 14-year-old son and a 20-year-old daughter, and was the chief scientist for chemical and biological defense at the Ministry of Defense's laboratory at Porton Down, Wiltshire. The crash site was examined by officials from the Air Accidents Investigation Branch and the wreckage of the aircraft was removed from the site to the AAIB base at Farnborough.

#57: Dr. Assefa Tulu, age 45. Died: June 24, 2004. Dr. Tulu joined the health department in 1997 and served for five years as the county's lone epidemiologist. He was charged with trackcing the health of the county, including the spread of diseases, such as syphilis, AIDS and measles. He also designed a system for detecting a bioterrorism attack involving viruses or bacterial agents. Tulu often coordinated efforts to address major health concerns in Dallas County, such as the West Nile virus outbreaks of the past few years, and worked with the media to inform the public. Found face down, dead in his office. The Dallas County Epidemiologist died of a hemorrhagic stroke.

#56: Thomas Gold, age 84. Died: June 22, 2004. Austrian born Thomas Gold famous over the years for a variety of bold theories that flout conventional wisdom and reported in his 1998 book, "The Deep Hot Biosphere," the idea challenges the accepted wisdom of how oil and natural gas are formed and, along the way, proposes a new theory of the beginnings of life on Earth and potentially on other planets. Long term battle with heart failure. Gold's theory of the deep hot biosphere holds important ramifications for the possibility of life on other planets, including seemingly inhospitable planets within our own solar system. He was Professor Emeritus of Astronomy at Cornell University and was the founder (and for 20 years director) of Cornell Center for Radiophysics and Space Research. He was also involved in air accident investigations.

#55: Antonina Presnyakova, age 46. Died: May 25, 2004. A Russian scientist at a former Soviet biological weapons laboratory in Siberia died after an accident with a needle laced with ebola. Scientists and officials said the accident had raised concerns about safety and secrecy at the State Research Center of Virology and Biotechnology, known as Vector, which in Soviet times specialized in turning deadly viruses into biological weapons. Vector has been a leading recipient of aid in an American program.

#54: Dr. Eugene Mallove, age 56. Died: May 14, 2004. Autopsy confirmed Mallove died as a result of several blunt-force injuries to his head and neck. Ruled as murder. Found at the end of his driveway. Alt. Energy Expert who was working on viable energy alternative program and announcement. Norwich Free Academy graduate.Beaten to death during an alleged robbery. Mallove was well respected for his knowledge of cold fusion. He had just published an "open letter" outlining the results of and reasons for his last 15 years in the field of "new energy research." Dr. Mallove was convinced it was only a matter of months before the world would actually see a free energy device.

#53: William T. McGuire, age 39. Found May 5, 2004, last seen late April 2004. Body found in three suitcases floating in Chesapeake Bay. He was NJ University Professor and Senior programmer analyst and adjunct professor at the New Jersey Institute of Technology in Newark. He emerged as one of the world's leading microbiologists and an expert in developing and overseeing multiple levels of biocontainment facilities.

#52: Ilsley Ingram, age 84. Died on April 12, 2004 from unknown causes. Ingram was Director of the Supraregional Haemophilia Reference Centre and the Supraregional Centre for the Diagnosis of Bleeding Disorders at the St. Thomas Hospital in London. Although his age is most likely the reason for his death, why wasn't this confirmed by the family in the news media?

#51: Mohammed Munim al-Izmerly, Died: April 2004. This distinguished Iraqi chemistry professor died in American custody from a sudden hit to the back of his head caused by blunt trauma. It was uncertain exactly how he died, but someone had hit him from behind, possibly with a bar or a pistol. His battered corpse turned up at Baghdad's morgue and the cause of death was initially recorded as "brainstem compression". It was discovered that US doctors had made a 20cm incision in his skull.

#50: Vadake Srinivasan, Died: March 13, 2004. Microbiologist crashed car into guard rail in Baton Rouge, LA. Death was ruled a stroke. He was originally from India, was one of the most-accomplished and respected industrial biologists in academia, and held two doctorate degrees.

#49: Dr. Michael Patrick Kiley, age 62. Died: January 24, 2004. Died of massive heart attack. Ebola, Mad Cow Expert, top of the line world class. It is interesting to note, he had a good heart, but it "gave out". Dr. Shope and Dr. Kiley were working on the lab upgrade to BSL 4 at the UTMB Galvaston lab for Homeland Security. The lab would have to be secure to house some of the deadliest pathogens of tropical and emerging infectious disease as well as bioweaponized ones.

#48: Robert Shope, age 74. Died: January 23, 2004. Virus Expert Who Warned of Epidemics, Dies died of lung transplant complications. Later purported to have died of Idiopathic Pulmonary Fibrosis which can be caused by either environmental stimulus or a VIRUS. It would not be hard to administer a drug that would cause Dr. Shope's lung transplant to either be rejected or to cause complications from the transplant. Dr. Shope led the group of scientists who had an 11 MILLION dollar fed grant to ensure the new lab would keep in the nasty bugs. Dr. Shope also met with and worked with Dr. Mike Kiley on the UTMB Galveston lab upgrade to BSL 4. When the upgrade would be complete the lab will host the most hazardous pathogens known to man especially tropical and emerging diseases as well as bioweapons.

#47: Dr Richard Stevens, age 54. Died: January 6, 2004. He had disappeared after arriving for work on 21 July, 2003. A doctor whose disappearance sparked a national manhunt, killed himself because he could not cope with the stress of a secret affair, a coroner has ruled. He was a hematologist. (hematologists analyze the cellular composition of blood and blood producing tissues e.g. bone marrow).


Died 2003

#46: Robert Aranosia, age 61. Died: December 18, 2003. While driving south on I-75 his pickup truck went off the freeway near a bridge over the Kawkawlin River. The vehicle rolled over several times before landing in the median. Aranosia was thrown from the vehicle and ended up on the shoulder of the northbound lanes. He was the Oakland County deputy medical examiner.

#45: Robert Leslie Burghoff, age 45. Died: November 20, 2003. Scientist. Killed by a hit and run driver that jumped the curb and ploughed into him in the 1600 block of South Braeswood, Texas. The driver was described as a short Hispanic man in his 50s with a slightly rounded face. He was studying the virus plaguing cruise ships.

#44: Michael Perich, age 46. Died: October 11, 2003. Died in one-vehicle car accident. The LSU West Nile research scientist was wearing his seat belt and drowned. He was LSU professor who helped fight the spread of the West Nile virus. Perich, who was known as one of the country's experts on vector-borne diseases, had most recently led a crusade to keep down the effects of West Nile virus and to get many of the Louisiana's parishes to work toward forming mosquito control districts.

#43: David Kelly, age 59. Died: July 18, 2003. British biological weapons expert, was said to have slashed his own wrists while walking near his home. Kelly was the Ministry of Defense's chief scientific officer and senior adviser to the proliferation and arms control secretariat, and to the Foreign Office's non-proliferation department. The senior adviser on biological weapons to the UN biological weapons inspections teams (Unscom) from 1994 to 1999, he was also, in the opinion of his peers, pre-eminent in his field, not only in this country, but in the world.

#42: Dr. Leland Rickman, age 47. Died: June 24, 2003. Rickman died while on a teaching assignment in Lesotho, a small country bordered on all sides by South Africa. UC San Diego expert on infectious diseases and, since September 11, 2001 a consultant on bioterrorism. He had complained of a headache, but the cause of death was not immediately known. The physician had been working in Lesotho with Dr. Chris Mathews, director of the UC San Diego Medical Center's Owen Clinic, teaching African medical personnel about the prevention and treatment of AIDS. Rickman, the incoming president of the Infectious Disease Assn. of California, was a multidisciplinary professor and practitioner with expertise in infectious diseases, internal medicine, epidemiology, microbiology and antibiotic utilization.

#41: 'Dr. Roger' Died: Summer 2003. 'Roger' was pseudonym for this genetics scientist. He was 17 and lived in Roswell, New Mexico in 1947 when the unexplained object crashed. He told a woman he worked with in 1977 named 'Kate' while employed by the Navy, who he helped to clean up the crash site of the 1947 UFO. He subsequently went to work for the government at this young age and ended up a geneticist working in China Lake for the Navy. Although he lived in fear and hiding soon after he told his story to Kate, he retired in late 1990s or early 2000's and she saw him again once in early 2002 in San Diego. He told her she was in danger to talk to him and he left the store. In 2003 she received a phone call from his 'friend' who said he had been executed in his retirement home in Connecticut. The body had been removed by a black government looking vehicle. The home had been cleaned up and the body removed without any public notices of his death or existence. Many disfigured and abnormal animals were found in the desert near Groom Lake during his time there and after. Kate thought he might have been doing this gruesome experimental work.

#40: Carlo Urbani, age 46. Died: in April 2003 in Bangkok from SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) - the new disease that he had helped to identify. Thanks to his prompt action, the epidemic was contained in Vietnam. However, because of close daily contact with SARS patients, he contracted the infection. On March 11, he was admitted to a hospital in Bangkok and isolated. Less than three weeks later he died. He was a dedicated and internationally respected Italian epidemiologist, who did work of enduring value combating infectious illness around the world.


Died 2002

#39: Roman Kuzmin. Died December 2002. A 24-year-old Russian surgeon studying in Connecticut was fatally struck by a car as he fled a store with three stolen rolls of film, police said. He was studying to be an orthopedic surgeon. Doctors who worked with Roman Kuzmin at Waterbury Hospital said they were stunned to hear of his death Sunday evening and many couldn't believe the circumstances. Kuzmin left Vladivostok in September to study orthopedic surgical techniques at Waterbury Hospital under a Keggi Othopedic Foundation program. Dr. Kristaps Keggi, who organized the program, said Kuzmin was "very able, very bright - a superb student and a superb individual."

#38: Steven Mostow, age 63. Died: March 25, 2002. One of the country's leading infectious disease and bioterrorism experts and was associate dean at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center. He died in a plane crash near Centennial Airport. He was known as "Dr. Flu" for his expertise in treating influenza, and expertise on bioterrorism. Mostow was one of the country's leading infectious disease experts.

#37: Dr. David Wynn-Williams, age 55. Died: March 24, 2002. Hit by a car while jogging near his home in Cambridge, England. He was an astrobiologist with the Antarctic Astrobiology Project and the NASA Ames Research Center. He was studying the capability of microbes to adapt to environmental extremes, including the bombardment of ultraviolet rays and global warming.

s#35-36: Tanya Holzmayer, age 46, Died: February 28, 2002: Two dead microbiologists in San Francisco. While taking delivery of a pizza, Tanya Holzmayer was shot and killed by a colleague, Guyang "Mathew" Huang, 38, who then apparently shot himself. Holzmayer moved to the US from Russia in 1989. Her research focused on the part of the human molecular structure that could be affected best by medicine. Holzmayer was focusing on helping create new drugs that interfere with replication of the virus that causes AIDS. One year earlier, Holzmayer obeyed senior management orders to fire Huang. Huang appeared from behind the deliveryman. He shot Holzmayer several times at close range in the chest and head. As Holzmayer fell in her doorway, Huang ran to a Ford Explorer and drove away. Less than an hour after the shooting, Huang called his wife, according to Foster City Police Capt. Craig Courtin. He told her about the shooting and that he was going to kill himself, then he hung up. Huang's wife called the emergency services and Foster City police used search dogs to comb the area. They ran into a jogger who had seen Huang's body lying off the walkway that locals call "The Levee." He had fired a single bullet into his head.

#34: Dr. Ian Langford, age 40, Died: February 12, 2002. Found dead at his blood-spattered and apparently ransacked home A Russian who was a Senior Research Associate in CSERGE, UK. He was a leading university research scientist working on Global Environment, specializing in links between human health and the environment risk, was. Specialist in leukemia and infections.

#33: Dr. Vladamir "Victor" Korshunov, age 56. Died: February 9, 2002. Found dead on a Moscow street. Head was bashed in. Korshunov was head of the microbiology sub-facility at the Russian State Medical University. He was found dead in the entrance to his home with a head injury. On Feb. 9 the Russian newspaper Pravda reported that Korshunov had probably invented a vaccine protecting from any biological arm.

#32: David W. Barry, age 58, Died: January 28, 2002. Scientist who co-discovered AZT, the antiviral drug that is considered the first effective treatment for AIDS. Circumstance of Death are unknown.

#31: Dr. Ivan Glebov. Died: January 2002. Russian Microbiologist. Glebov died as the result of a bandit attack. Well known around the world and members of the Russian Academy of Science.

#30: Dr. Alexi Brushlinski. Died: January 2002. Russian Microbiologist. Murdered in Moscow from bandit attack. Well known around the world and members of the Russian Academy of Science.


Died 2001



#29 Dr. Benito Que, age 52. Found: November 12, 2001. Died: December 6, 2001. Found Comatose from what was called a mugging. Died later in hospital. Found in the street near the laboratory where he worked at the University of Miami Medical School. Among Dr. Que's friends and family there is firm belief that Dr. Que was attacked by four men, at least one of whom had a baseball bat. Dr. Que's death has now been officially ruled "natural", caused by cardiac arrest. He was a cell biologist, involved in research on aids, oncology research in the hematology department.

#28: Dr. Vladimer Pasechnik, age 64. Died: December 23, 2001. Found dead in Wiltshire, England, a village near his home. Two different dates have been reported: November 21 and December 23. Death ruled stroke. He had defected from Russia to UK. He had been the #1 scientist in the FSU's bioweapons program. It was thought he was involved with exhuming the bodies of the 10 London victims of the 1919 Type A flu epidemic. Pasechnik died six weeks after the planned exhumations were announced. On November 23, 2001, Pasechnik's death was reported in the New York Times as having occurred two days earlier. Pasechnik's death was made in the United States by Dr. Christopher Davis of Virginia, who stated that the cause of death was a stroke. Dr. Davis was the member of British intelligence who de-briefed Dr. Pasechnik at the time of his defection. Pasechnik was heavily involved in DNA sequencing research. He had just founded a company like three other microbiologists working to provide powerful alternatives to antibiotics. Dr. Vladimir Pasechnik was the boss of William C. Patrick III who holds 5 patents on the militarized anthrax used by the United States. Patrick is now a private biowarfare consultant to the military and CIA. Patrick developed the process by which anthrax spores could be concentrated at the level of one trillion spores per gram. No other country has been able to get concentrations above 500 billion per gram. The anthrax that was sent around the eastern United States last fall was concentrated at one trillion spores per gram.

#27: Dr. Don Wiley, age 57. Vanished: December 16, 2001. Molecular Biologist with Howard Hughes Medical Institute, Harvard University, top Deadly Contagious Virus expert, abandoned rental car was found on the Hernando de Soto Bridge outside Memphis, TN. He was heavily involved in research on DNA sequencing, and was last seen at around midnight on November 16, leaving the St. Jude's Children's Research Advisory Dinner at The Peabody Hotel in Memphis, TN. Associates attending the dinner said he showed no signs of intoxication, and no one has admitted to drinking with him. Body found floating one month later. Workers at a hydroelectric plant in Louisiana found the body of Don Wiley on Thursday, about 300 miles south of where the molecular biologist was last seen on Nov. 18 at a medical meeting in Memphis. On January 14, 2002 (almost two months later) Shelby County Medical Examiner O.C. Smith announced that his department had ruled Dr. Wiley's death to be "accidental"; the result of massive injuries suffered in a fall from the Hernando de Soto Bridge. Smith said there were paint marks on Wiley's rental car similar to the paint used on construction signs on the bridge, and that the car's right front hubcap was missing. There has been no report as to which construction signs Dr. Wiley hit.



#26: Dr. Set Van Nguyen, age 44. Died: December 14, 2001. Found dead in the airlock entrance to the walk-in refrigerator in the laboratory he worked at in Victoria State, Australia. The room was full of deadly gas which had leaked from a liquid nitrogen cooling system. Room was vented. Working on a vaccine to protect against biological weapons, or a weapon itself. In January, 2001, the magazine Nature published information that two scientists, Dr. Ron Jackson and Dr. Ian Ramshaw, using genetic manipulation and DNA sequencing, had created an incredibly virulent form of mousepox, a cousin of smallpox and Dr. Nguyen had worked for 15 years at the same Australian facility. Now for the intriguing part of this story. On Friday, November 2nd, the Washington Post reported: "Officials are now scrambling to determine how a quiet, 61-year-old Vietnamese immigrant, riding the subway each day to and from her job in a hospital stockroom, was exposed to the deadly anthrax spores that killed her this week. They worry because there is no obvious connection to the factors common to earlier anthrax exposures and deaths: no clear link to the mail or to the media.

#25: Dr. David Schwartz , age 57. Died: December 10, 2001. Murdered by stabbing with what appeared to be a sword in rural home Loudon County, Virginia. His daughter, who identifies herself as a pagan high priestess, and three of her fellow pagans have been charged. He was extremely well respected in biophysics, and regarded as an authority on DNA sequencing. Three teens that were into the occult were charged with murder in the slashing death.


#s22-24: Avishai Berkman, age 50. (no photo)

Amiramp Eldor, age 59 Yaacov Matzner, age 54

All Died: November 24, 2001. Another airplane crash kills 3 scientists. At about the time of the Black Sea crash, Israeli journalists had been sounding the alarm that two Israeli microbiologists had been murdered, allegedly by terrorists; including the head of the Hematology department at Israel's Ichilov Hospital, as well as directors of the Tel Aviv Public Health Department and Hebrew University School of Medicine. World experts in hematology and blood clotting. Five microbiologists in this list of the first eight people that died mysteriously in airplane crashes worked on cutting edge microbiology research; and, four of the five were doing virtually identical research; research that has global political and financial significance.

#21: Jeffrey Paris Wall, age 41. Died: November 6, 2001. Body was found sprawled next to a three-story parking structure near his office. Mr. Wall had studied at the University of California, Los Angeles. He was a biomedical expert who held a medical degree, and he also specialized in patent and intellectual property.

#16-#20: Five Unnamed Microbiologists. Died: October 4, 2001. Four of Five unnamed microbiologists on a plane that was brought down by a missile near the Black sea on the Russian border. Traveling from Israel to Russia; business not disclosed. 3 scientists were experts in medical research or public health. The plane is believed by many in Israel to have had as many as four or five passengers who were microbiologists. Both Israel and Novosibirsk are homes for cutting-edge microbiological research. Novosibirsk is known as the scientific capital of Siberia. There are over 50 research facilities there, and 13 full universities for a population of only 2.5 million people.

#15: Professor Janusz Jeljaszewicz, Died: on May 7, 2001, cause not disclosed. He was an expert in Staphylococci and Staphylococcal Infections. His main scientific interests and achievements were in the mechanism of action and biological properties of staphylococcal toxins, and included the immunomodulatory properties and experimental treatment of tumors by Propionibacterium.


Died 2000

#14: Linda Reese, age 52. Died: December 25, 2000 three days after she studied a sample from Tricia Zailo, 19, a Fairfield, N.J., resident who was a sophomore at Michigan State University. Tricia Zailo died Dec. 18, a few days after she returned home for the holidays. Dr. Reese was a Microbiologist working with victims of meningitis.

#13: Mike Thomas, age 35. Died: July 16, 2000 a few days after examining a sample taken from a 12-year-old girl who was diagnosed with meningitis and survived. He was a microbiologist at the Crestwood Medical Center in Huntsville.

#12: Walter W. Shervington, M.D., age 62. Died: April 15, 2000 of cancer at Tulane Medical Hospital. He was an extensive writer/ lecturer/ researcher about mental health and AIDS in the African American community.


Died 1998

#11: Jonathan Mann, age 51. Died September 1998, in Swissair Flight 111 over Canada. He was founding director of the World Health Organization's global Aids program and founded Project SIDA in Zaire, the most comprehensive Aids research effort in Africa at the time, and in 1986 he joined the WHO to lead the global response against Aids. He became director of WHO's global program on Aids which later became the UNAids program. He then became director of the Francois-Xavier Bagnoud Center for Health and Human Rights, which was set up at Harvard School of Public Health in 1993. He caused controversy earlier in 1998 in the media when he accused the US National Institutes of Health of violating human rights by failing to act quickly on developing Aids vaccines.

#10: Elizabeth A. Rich, M.D., age 46. Died July 10, 1998, in a traffic accident while visiting family in Tennessee. She was an associate professor with tenure in the pulmonary division of the Department of Medicine at CWRU and University Hospitals of Cleveland. She was also a member of the executive committee for the Center for AIDS Research and directed the Bio-safety level 3 facility, a specialized laboratory for the handling of HIV, virulent TB bacteria, and other infectious agents. .


Died 1994 - 1996

#9: Sidney Harshman, age 67. Died: Dec. 25, 1997, from complications of diabetes. He was a professor of microbiology and immunology. He was the world's leading expert on staphylococcal alpha toxins.

#s6-8: Mark Purdey, his Lawyer, and Veterinarian working with Purdey Die: CJD doctor Mark Purdey was familiar with the expression "abnormal brain protein." Purdey’s house was burned down, his lawyer on mad cow issues was driven off the road and died and the veterinarian in the UK BSE inquiry also died in a mysterious car crash. CJD specialist Dr C. Bruton was killed in a car crash just before he went public with a new research paper. The veterinarian on the case also died in a car crash. Purdey's new lawyer, too, had a car accident, but not fatal. Before Dr. Purdey’s death, he speculated that Dr. C. Bruton (#2 below) might have known more than what was revealed in his paper before he was killed.

#4-5 Dr. Tsunao Saitoh, age 46. Died: May 7, 1996. Shot and killed, along with his young daughter, in LaJolla, California. He was dead behind the wheel of the car, the side window had been shot out, and the door was open. His daughter appeared to have tried to run away and she was shot dead, also. The hit was compared to other killings of Japanese in this country by muggers. Expert in abnormal proteins in Alzheimer.

#3 Dr. Jawad Al Aubaidi. Died in 1994. A graduate doctor from Cornel, he was hired to head the mycoplasma biowar research project. One of Dr. Aubaidi's projects was filling payloads of scud missles with mycoplasma strains. In 1995, Dr. Aubaidi was murdered by the Israelis Mussad. His demise, or, neutralization was made to look like an accident. He was killed in his native Iraq while he was changing a flat tire and was hit by a truck.

#2 Dr. C. Bruton, a CJD specialist -- who had just produced a paper on the a new strain of CJD -- was killed in a car crash before his work was announced to the public. Purdey speculates that Bruton might have known more than what was revealed in his paper.

#1 Jose Trias, Died: May 19, 1994. Trias and his wife were murdered in their Chevy Chase, Maryland home. They met with a friend of theirs, a journalist, before the day of their murder and told him of their plan to expose HHMI (Howard Hughes Medical Institute) funding of "special ops" research. Grant money that goes to HHMI is actually diverted to special black ops research projects.

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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 11:05 AM
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10. Wow! That's quite a list of suspicious deaths.
I hate to sound ignorant, but who killed them? The BFEE again?
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 12:42 PM
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15. They were all quite *Knowledgeable*...can't have too many around....
....who'll be able to fight the coming wave of population extinction...their combinded intelligence in their fields might've helped find solutions to many problems we're going to be facing in the coming years don't you think? :shrug:
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pandemic_1918 Donating Member (679 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 11:58 AM
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12. Google Strikes Again
Google works!
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dejaboutique Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 12:33 PM
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14. wow but who?
that is quite a list but who would want them dead and why?
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Lori Price CLG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 01:12 PM
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16. Thanks for this list! n/t
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LivingInTheBubble Donating Member (360 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 07:31 PM
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32. Whats your point
You can find that about 10 scientists a year die or are killed around the world? That doesnt seem abnormally high at all.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 11:18 AM
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11. We're all gonna die! We're all gonna die!
n/t
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 01:55 PM
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18. Wrong Wrong.. only about 80% ...... birds carry it ..it is here to stay..
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 05:06 PM
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30. I defy you to name one person
who isn't going to die, sooner or later.

We're all gonna die! We're all gonna die!

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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 12:08 PM
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13. Karma. And I doubt this illness discriminates in favor of the wealthy.
For any number of reasons, the human species is beyond recriminations.

Enjoy life while you can.
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Karmakaze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 02:04 PM
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19. Actually it discriminates against ALL humans...
Did you know that in the time Bird Flu has been around, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people have died from ordinary Human Flu?

Did you know that in that same time less than 100 people have died from Bird Flu?

So why all the scare mongering? Human Flu is ALREADY the epidemic that kills hundreds of thosands of people a year, why don't you worry about that?
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 03:26 PM
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25. Thanks, Karmakaze.
During my years in nursing, I have seen influenza at its deadliest.

Plain old fashioned flu is dangerous to kids, the elderly, asthmatics and other people with respiratory diseases, diabetics, immuno compromised and people with cardiac conditions.

And it arbitrarily will kill healthy adults, with no significant health problems (like Jim Henson).

So, yeah, like SARS, this may or may not pan out as the deadliest viral respiratory acute illness ever.

I would say a large portion of population who is at risk, in this country, is composed of disenfranchised citizens whose deaths won't make headlines.

The elderly poor, the homeless, AIDS patients, the working poor, well, you see where I'm going with this.

If you're already in a vulnerable situation, you will be more likely to die from the flu.


MKJ



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pandemic_1918 Donating Member (679 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 07:11 PM
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31. Bird Flu Outbreaks in the US
Yes, human flu has always killed the most vulnerable, which is why it is not news, especially in June in the US when human flu season is over.

However, a pandemic flu that could kill millions is news which is why this month there are stories about avian flu in greyhounds in Florida and New England

http://www.recombinomics.com/News/06080504/H3N8_Greyhounds_US_Confirmed.html

ducks infected with bird flu in New York

http://www.recombinomics.com/News/06140501/H7N2_Duck_NY.html

or migratory birds washing up on the shores of the Carolinas

http://www.recombinomics.com/News/06180503/Shearwater_Carolina.html



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Karmakaze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 09:25 AM
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33. Hey, quick question...
Even when the majority of these "articles" from recombinomics.com are short comments on links to news articles gathered from elsewhere, often meaningless comments, you still post links to that site rather than the original source.

Why?

What's in it for you? Do you work for them, or what?
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Lori Price CLG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 03:05 PM
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23. Here's a few articles about U.S. digging up victims from 1918 so the Bush
bioterror team can start the epidemic:

Killer flu recreated in the lab 7 October 2004, 05:02 GMT 06:02 (Why?) UK Scientists have shown that tiny changes to modern flu viruses could render them as deadly as the 1918 strain which killed millions. A US team added two genes from a sample of the 1918 virus to a modern strain (Why?) known to have no effect on mice. Animals exposed to this composite were dying within days of symptoms similar to those found in human victims of the 1918 pandemic. http://legitgov.org/flu_oddities.html

1918 killer flu secrets revealed 5 February 2004, 19:00 GMT --Scientists have worked out how the virus which caused the world's worst flu epidemic infected man. They believe the virus, which claimed the lives of up to 50m people around the world, jumped from birds to humans. The breakthrough, published in Science, should help doctors identify which future bird viruses pose a threat to man at an earlier stage. http://legitgov.org/flu_oddities.html

Flu victim exhumed after 85 years 30 January 2004, 20:08 GMT --Scientists are preparing to exhume the body of a woman who died of flu 85 years ago to find out how the virus killed millions across Europe. (Why?) Phyllis Burn died aged 20 in 1918, a victim of the 20th Century's worst flu epidemic, which killed more than 50 million people. She was buried in a lead coffin, thought to be virtually airtight, in Twickenham, south-west London. Scientists wearing protective clothing will remove lung samples from the body. http://legitgov.org/flu_oddities.html

Oh, and lest we forget...
Military intelligence warns that avian flu could be used as weapon: report 8 March 2005 --The military's intelligence arm has warned the federal government that avian influenza could be used as a weapon of bioterrorism, a heavily censored report suggests. It also reveals that military planners believe a naturally occurring flu pandemic may be imminent. The report, entitled Recent Human Outbreaks of Avian Influenza and Potential Biological Warfare Implications, was obtained under the Access to Information Act by The Canadian Press. It was prepared by the J2 Directorate of Strategic Intelligence, a secretive branch of National Defence charged with producing intelligence for the government. (Is this why 40+ microbiologists have died, mysteriously, since 9/11?) http://legitgov.org/flu_oddities.html

Lori Price


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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 03:16 PM
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24. Doesn't take much to get your mind working when you combine....
...your post with the info on the dead scientists, and the fact that a vaccine can't be developed for Avian flu until we get the mutation that begins to REALLY cause human-to-human transmission.

Additionally, there are a limited number of manufacturing facilities than can produce a vaccine once it's developed. There are only two companies that do this for the US, and one of those is having problems.
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Lori Price CLG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 03:28 PM
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26. Here's two more - coroner wants to 'shrink-wrap' bodies and Bush plans...
to quarantine the victims. (Can they get any more *obvious?*)

Coroner Wants to Shrink-Wrap Bodies --Coroner Wants to Shrink-Wrap Bodies in the Case of a Natural Disaster or Terrorist Attack 19 February 2005 - In the case of a natural disaster or (Bush-engendered) terrorist attack, some emergency officials in Western Washington plan to be prepared with a large, shrink wrap machine. The Thurston County Coroner's Office recently won approval to purchase a machine able to shrink-wrap human remains. The process would make it easier to transport a large number of bodies. The coroner's office has already started a bidding process to find a company to build the machine. A Homeland Security grant will pay for the machine, which will cost an estimated $50,000. http://www.legitgov.org/flu_oddities.html

Bush Authorizes Use of Quarantine Powers in Cases of Bird Flu 2 April 2005 --Dictator President Bush signed an executive order on Friday authorizing the government to impose a quarantine to deal with any outbreak of avian influenza now found in Southeast Asia. http://www.legitgov.org/flu_oddities.html

Lori Price

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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 04:59 PM
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35. the Fascist solution isn't to vaccinate but contain/shrink wrap the problem
Edited on Sun Jun-19-05 05:01 PM by sam sarrha
The Strauss precepts of the worthless underclass is guiding the approach to the flue problem...

In New Zealand they are setting up a Phone system, to tell people where to go or stay home if the symptoms are too advanced to treat and are setting up areas to dig the trenches for mass graves..

Homeland security here is buying shrink-wrap machines for $50,000..

while Bu$h sits and RE-spins the Social Security "problem" like NERO fiddling, while the world burns.. Fucking Wet Brain Alcoholic Drug Addict Morron..

we need to build vaccine research facilities HERE,.. the corporate places in other countries are not going to give up their shit when this hits..:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
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