Nurse Who Objects to Morning-After Pill Says She Was Denied Job by Ill. Un

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Nurse Who Objects to Morning-After Pill Says She Was Denied Job by Ill. University

URBANA, Ill. (AP) - A former nurse sued Eastern Illinois University on Wednesday claiming she was denied a promotion because she said she wouldn't dispense morning-after pills.

Andrea Nead told the school nursing director that she could not dispense the pills because she believes interfering with a fertilized egg's implantation is a form of abortion, which is against her religious beliefs, according to her suit.

Nead is suing the university's board of trustees and its nursing director, seeking It seeks damages for lost income and benefits and punitive damages against the director.

The suit claims violations of federal anti-discrimination laws and Nead's constitutional rights to freedom of religion and equal protection.

[BattyDem]

1. So the University is required to promote someone ...

who won't do the job? :eyes:

Since when does "freedom of religion" mean you don't have to do the job you were hired to do? :grr:

[cornermouse]

34. No, silly.

They're supposed to hire a second nurse who will do the first nurse's job. :eyes: You really need to work on your logic. :eyes:

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

39. My religion requires long afternoon naps...

uh...I meant to say "long periods of silent prayer and meditation." I'll have my lawyers get right on it.

[struggle4progress]

56. My religion requires me to honor the boss by flinging monkey poop.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

60. LOL!

Ahhh, perfect!

[tallahasseedem]

2. She certainly has her right to religion.

She doesnt have the right to impose her religious view on others especially in a medical situation. Dont like it? Go teach creationism at the local parochial school.

[Lars39]

16. Let's tweak that a bit...She has a right to her religious views,

but she does not have the right to redefine abortion.

[Jersey Ginny]

62. Right, she doesn't have to take the pill herself

But she can't place her values on others. She is supposed to "do no harm," but by not Rx'ing this pill to needy people and thereby stating their moral values are inferior to hers, she is harming them psychologically. I have a friend in NJ who was recently denied this pill by her GYN. She was both shaken and ANGRY. Planned Parenthood was there to help my friend avoid a potential pregnancy.

[okieinpain]

65. yeah or leave texas

[noamnety]

3. I half expect to see

fundies who refuse to look at a nude women file lawsuits because they can't get jobs as OB/GYNS.

[LiberalFighter]

64. Women should wear burkas????

[rocktivity]

4. If she refuses to dispense the pill, she doesn't qualify for the promotion

as well as someone who would dispense the pill.

She says she's been discriminated against religiously because she believes the pill is a form of abortion? Well, she's JUST as guilty of religious discrimination by refusing to dispense the pills, because it violates the constitutional right of the patient not to be forcibly subjected to the religous views of others!

An employer is entitled to hire the person who fills as many of the qualifications for a position as possible.

:headbang:
rocknation

[TahitiNut]

5. So, can a conscientious objector become a Major General?

After all, if he's not promoted, it's religious discrimination. :eyes: I expect to see a flood of applications from the Amish and Mennonites.

Andrea ... go piss up a rope, honey. You deserved to be fired.

[Journeyman]

23. Three Conscientious Objectors have won the Medal of Honor. . .

so I well imagine its possible for a CO to become a Major General.

[TahitiNut]

25. It's a well-kept secret that ...

... the Medal of Honor is almost always awarded for saving lives. That's not what Generals are paid for.

[Journeyman]

31. Not really a secret . . .

and by-the-by, I'm aware of at least three generals who earned the award while in rank, and at least a half dozen men who went on to attain the rank of general after their award, including one of the most famous recipients of the Civil War, Joshua Chamberlain, who held the line at Little Round Top. Chamberlain would end the war as a Major General and was picked by Grant to preside over the Confederate surrender at Appomattox

[benddem]

6. besides the fact that her defense

is immoral...I'll bet dollars to donuts that wasn't the reason she wasn't promoted. That's her spin!

[ima_sinnic]

13. YES, it says a little further on, "spokeswoman ... said 'the reason

Andrea Nead was not hired was unrelated to dispensing the morning-after pill.'"

It was probably because they were tired of her sanctimonious, I'm-so-victimized, in-your-face obnoxious "Christianity."

Go piss up a rope you twit. Whining about not getting a promotion? Sheesh, if everybody who didn't get a promotion, or wasn't hired for a job, went to court over it, the courts would be logjammed with frivolous cases by LOSERS. You're lucky your ass wasn't FIRED you freekin idiot!

[symbolman]

7. Okay

so when a fundie comes in with their kid suffering from Cancer then the liberal doctors can prescribe leeches and bloodletting, correct?

"Sorry, apparently you don't believe in science so I am going to have to treat your child with Medieval medicinal practices. Maybe you should just take Timmy home and pray. A LOT."

Let's see how fast they become secular Humanists given a choice.

[mitchum]

17. An excellent idea, symbolman!

[symbolman]

22. Thanks!

Let's take it a little step further.. don't believe in Science..

BANG - sorry, can't sell you a car, nor can we allow you to drive. Especially since you don't BELIEVE in the very plants/animals that existed and give us the ability to MAKE GASOLINE..

BANG - Plumbing? Sorry, that involves science, you're going to have to take a dump in the woods.

BANG - Sorry but building a home requires math and science, so you'll have to go live in a cave, eat locusts and wear a fig leave, in DETROIT..

I could go on forever.. if they want to play games, then let's PLAY. :)

[ninkasi]

29. I can't believe it!

A fundie, actually going to that much despised creature...the dread TRIAL LAWYER. And she is seeking damages, when I distinctly remember the conservatives screeching "Tort reform, tort reform," every time a citizen tries to sue big business, as though the plaintiff had tried to sign a pact with the devil.

Enough, I've had enough, and more than enough, and I think most of us here have, and hope the rest of the country will somehow wake up from the stupor they are in.

These people will never be satisfied. No matter what compromises we try to make, regardless of any concessions we make, they will always want more, and more, and more. It could be money, or religious power, doesn't matter. I refuse to feed a beast that is never sated, by pretending that if I give it a snack, it won't devour me whole.

[trapper914]

40. You don't get it, silly-britches...

...imposing one's religious beliefs on others TRUMPS one's disdain for trial lawyers. I think they teach that in Freeper 101.

[left is right]

8. If she was a Jehovah's Witness* she could make the same

religious claim against blood transfusions. I doubt seriously that freedom of religion could even be considered in that case. And it shouldn't be considered in this one, either. Why should her religious convictions be allowed to interfere with any other person's legal rights.


*My apologies to JW's if I have confused you with some other group.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

41. Any JW's out there?

It's been a while, but I once knew a JW Operating Room technician. She gave transfusions on a regular basis because she -- herself -- wasn't the recipient. She had no problem with giving them to other people if their religion didn't forbid it.

Probably lots of Jewish waiters and waitresses who take orders for pork dishes in restaurants and don't jump up and down and scream about their religious freedom.

[Erika]

9. Bush has empowered these nuts

and they are like foxes in a chicken coop with the American public.

[NickB79]

10. Her argument is poor on the science as well as the ethics

The primary method of birth control provided by the morning-after pill is to prevent ovulation or to prevent fertilization of the egg if it has already been released. Prevention of fertilized egg implantation is not common with the morning-after pill.

[Scairp]

49. Not quite

What this combination of oral contraceptives does is trigger a menstrual cycle. This would prevent the implantation of a fertilized egg, if any were fertilized in the first place. The thing is, no one knows if that has even taken place, so screaming that this form of EMERGENCY birth control is some kind of abortion is ludicrous.

[Geo55]

11. Tooo "f"ing bad !

Find a job that doesn't interfere with your (foolish) religious dogma.
Hope she looses big time.

[K-W]

12. These people are such hypocriites.

They deny people medicine because it is thier choice, but when someone chooses to not hire them because they deny people medicine they are persecuting them.

[Lars39]

14. This is how abortion is being redefined.

Pushing the anti-choice agenda, suing when needed...anything to get the new definition of abortion in the news and in precedent-setting cases. Bingo. Next thing you know our dearly beloved reps are passing a law against the morning after pill because it 'causes a form of abortion' dontyaknow, and then trotting down to the nearest fundy church for a 2 hour ceremony and photo-op.
goddam fuckwits are sending us back to the dark ages :grr:

What I'd like to see is the attorney for university and nursing director explain on national prime time that this nurse is incompetent because she has clearly forgotten her Anatomy& Physiology.

[Kber]

37. Pretty soon

we will be able to prosecute women for refusing to have sex - after all a child might have been conceived that night. We should make ourselves available to anyone at anytime for this sacred act. Unwillingness is just evidence of our unholiness and unwillingness to do God's will.

[Robb]

43. That is the logical conclusion in all this, isn't it?

(shakes head) :(

[ovidsen]

59. "Pretty close!"

In 1966, Romania's Nicolae Ceausescu made "barefoot and pregnant" a cornerstone of his economic policy. He outlawed birth control and abortions, and created what amounted to a fertility police force:

In 1984 the legal age for marriage was lowered to fifteen years for women, and additional taxes were levied on childless individuals over twenty-five years of age. Monthly gynecological examinations for all women of childbearing age were instituted, even for pubescent girls, to identify pregnancies in the earliest stages and to monitor pregnant women to ensure that their pregnancies came to term. Miscarriages were to be investigated and illegal abortions prosecuted, resulting in prison terms of one year for the women concerned and up to five years for doctors and other medical personnel performing the procedure. Doctors and nurses involved in gynecology came under increasing pressure, especially after 1985, when "demographic command units" were set up to ensure that all women were gynecologically examined at their place of work. These units not only monitored pregnancies and ensured deliveries but also investigated childless women and couples, asked detailed questions about their sex lives and the general health of their reproductive systems, and recommended treatment for infertility.

http://www.country-studies.com/romania/demographic-policy.html

Ceausescu was killed by firing squad on Christmas Day, 1989... the only European Communist leader killed after the fall of the Berlin Wall. It would be nice to think that his fate means government reproductive control could never happen again, but you never know...

[burrowowl]

66. And banning SEX for

menopausal women, after all, they can't conceive any longer and they can give Viagra etc. to post-climatic men: BECAUSE THEY CAN STILL FATHER CHILDREN THEY WON'T BE ALIVE TO TAKE OF!
Merikka is an amazing (stupifyong!?!) place! Afeter 20 years in Europe, 6 in Latin America ... Murikka never ceases to askance me!

[Kerrytravelers]

15. Oh, the discrimination that is hurled upon those in the majority religion.

It must be so hard to be part of the 80% Christian religion in this country. :cry:

Here, Andrea, you need a hug for being so put apon. :pals: It must be so rough to be asked to do your job.

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[mitchum]

51. LOL!!!

But haven't those people suffered enough? :)

[Erika]

19. You think the Texas or Florida governor will refuse to

give the death execution orders based on their belief of life? W said it was his duty and his job as elected governor.

I knew when W said Christ was his greatest philosopher during the original debates that our freedoms would be limited and he planned on using the fanatics for his cause.

[BlueStateGirl]

20. She should be denied the promotion. As far as I am concerned ,

she failed to do her job properly.

[Sparkly]

21. "How dare you not give me a job I refuse to do!" n/t

[leesa]

38. Exactly. If the reason she didn't get the job was because this was a

requirement, then her boss was right. I suspect there is more to the story.

[AirAmFan]

24. I wonder how many of these nutjobs are dispensing sugar pills

instead of RU486.

I doubt the number is zero. There's just too much self-righteousness out there, and too little professional ethics.

[Carla in Ca]

26. She can get a job at Albertsons in ILL.

<http://talkleft.com/new_archives/011026.html>

Kind of an oddity because, per this article, Albertsons doesn't have to dispense any medications they don't want to...a directive from Dobson's group. This is getting wacky.






Albertson's Allows Pharmacists To Let Conscience Guide Prescription Filling
Crooks and Liars reports this was in an email sent by James Dobson's group to its "Citizen Link" subscribers.

Albertsons Agrees to Respect Pharmacists' Right of Conscience

Albertsons Corporation agreed to accommodate its pharmacists' right to refuse to fill prescriptions that violate their religious or moral beliefs. The accommodation came on the heels of a lawsuit filed by
attorneys with the Alliance Defense Fund (ADF) and the Christian Legal Society (CLS) against Albertsons and Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich on behalf of pharmacist David Scimio.

snip...



Shortly after ADF and CLS filed suit, Albertsons distributed a memo to all its Illinois pharmacists stating it would accommodate their right of conscience by permitting them to refer prescriptions to which they conscientiously object to another Albertsons pharmacist or
to a competitor.

more

[ima_sinnic]

47. thank you for posting that link re Albertsons, that directly affects me

because I have been using their pharmacy here in Gainesville, FL, for several years now. Well, that just ended and I am off to write to tell them why. ASSHOLES!

In fact, I have always preferred shopping at Albertsons but will take my grocery business elsewhere too. The management obviously has their head up their ass--are they next going to allow vegetarian cashiers to refuse to ring up my chicken wings, or nonsmoking clerks to refuse to sell my husband his Black & Milds?

[Carla in Ca]

54. Good for you!

I don't shop at Albertson's anyway but we have now discontinued shopping at Sav-On because of this and I also sent them an email telling them why.
Hopefully, they will hear from many others as well.

[truthisfreedom]

27. she has a right to her religious views, and her patients have a right to

their legal prescriptions. she's the one who is violating rights.

[Maddy McCall]

28. Well, guess who's behind it! PAT ROBERTSON'S ACLJ (Conservative Legal Gr.)

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-050608nurse,1,5022067.story?coll=chi-news-hed

URBANA, Ill. -- A former Eastern Illinois University nurse sued the school Wednesday, claiming she was denied promotion to a full-time job because she believes it is morally wrong to dispense emergency contraception.

Andrea Nead is suing the university's board of trustees and its director of nursing. Her lawsuit claiming violations of federal anti-discrimination laws and her constitutional rights was filed in federal court in Urbana, said Frank Manion, an attorney for the American Center for Law and Justice, a conservative group founded by Pat Robertson that specializes in constitutional issues.

``The woman just wanted to get a position that she was clearly qualified for. Her credentials are outstanding,'' Manion said.

But when Nead said she could not in good conscience dispense the morning-after pill, Director of Nursing Lynette Drake quickly ended the interview, Manion said. Another nurse who did not object to the morning-after pill got the job, he said.

Nead is seeking damages for lost income and benefits, as well as punitive damages against Drake, according to the lawsuit. Her attorneys would not make Nead available for comment Wednesday.

[anitar1]

30. No surprise, they are all being primed by a preacher. n/t

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

42. Was that a typo?

I think you meant to say "They are all being pimped by a preacher."

[ngGale]

32. Equal protection from the people who oppose it?

How strange when the shoe is on the other foot. They start reaching out for our libural agenda, so they call it.

[roguevalley]

33. Its rather like me saying I won't teach something because its against

my principles. If you can't do what the job entails, get another one.

[salin]

35. So why doesn't she apply for nursing jobs

in which this issue wouldn't arise? I would guess this is rarely an issue if working in fields like neonatology or geriatrics.

[Patiod]

68. or at a Catholic hospital

which I wouldn't set foot in, in spite of being raised Catholic. My SO's sister works at one, and it provides wonderful care, but you wouldn't get me inside one.

Homer to ambulance driver: "I want my wife to get the best treatment money can buy!"
Ambulance driver flicks switch so ambulance sign changes from "Ambulance" to "Beth Israel."
Homer: "Are you kidding?"
Flicks switch again, sign changes to, "St. Mary's"
Homer: better but...
Flicks switch again, to "Springfield Presbyterian"
Homer: now you're talking!

[tsuki]

36. Why would she want the job? Why would you actively seek a

job that you refuse to do? She is what is wrong with America, frivolous lawsuits.

[noonwitch]

44. If she has a problem, she should go work in a catholic hospital

Or some other facility that does not dispense the morning after pill.

[davsand]

45. Her freedom of religion stops at my uterus.

If she has an issue with morning after pills, then she doesn't need to use them. If I want/need morning after pills and her religion precludes her doing her job and giving them to me as prescribed by a Doc, then I'd say her freedom of religion is not protected.

If you carry that logic out to the silly end of the spectrum, it'd be the same thing if I went to the hospital with a heart attack and the ER Doc told me that as a Christian Scientist he could perform no surgery or even prescribe meds.

There are limits, thankfully.

I am SO tired of people trying to jam their version of religion up my ass.



Laura

[BamaLefty]

46. silly n/t

[shrike]

50. She can object all she wants

But if it's a legal prescription she's required to dispense it. Judges and juries and so forth are required to follow the law even if they don't like it. End of story.

[Toots]

52. Jean Harlow died at twenty six years old because her religion would not

allow doctors to do surgery for a gall bladder infection. Some religions are just plain dangerous for the health industry.

[gulfcoastliberal]

53. Good. She should be fired and blacklisted.

NT

[HockeyMom]

55. Let her go work at a CATHOLIC College

I am sure there are a number of them around in Illinois who would be very happy to have her anti abortion, anti birth control viewpoints on their campus. She could then lecture the students on abstinence only until marriage and then Natural Family Planning ONLY to space children, not to limit children in marriage according to the church.

[stanwyck]

57. I don't think this is the reason she was denied

the promotion. An employee with such narrow views and lack of empathy is probably not the best candidate for more responsibility. She's using her religion as the reason for her failure.
The two men who own the company where I work are conservatives. But they prefer liberals as managers. Why? We're better able to work through complex issues and not use personal concerns as the basis for our decisions.
In other words, we're more "fair and balanced."
Imagine that.

[Jade Fox]

58. THEN SHE SHOULD NOT BE A NURSE.

If she cannot do her job because of religious beliefs, she should get another
proffession. Period. No one put her in charge of protecting the fertilized
eggs of the world.

I'm sick of this damned argument.

[DirtyHippie]

61. unreasonable practices aren't discrimination

The Courts have consistently ruled that discrimination exists if there isn't reasonable accommodation - not unreasonable accommodation. An employer isn't supposed to have to cater to every kook's beliefs in the name of federal law or the Constitution. If a medical practitioner doesn't want to dispense medicine it strikes me as being unreasonable and a substantial interference with the conditions of employment and therefore unworthy of discrimination protection - same as if a truck driver claimed that religion forbade her or him to drive.

Second of all - with the majority of the country being Christian on some level - where do these people get the idea that they are "persecuted?" Is it because they don't get their way 100% of the time - sounds like a 5 year old's temper tantrum to me.

[The Magistrate]

63. Good For E.I.U.

This person ought to be fired, and indeed, drummed out of the profession she has chosen and disgraced: she is clearly not suited for it....

[JNelson6563]

67. More imagined persecution

Oy!

At least they stick with what works....

Julie