Iraq insurgency in 'last throes,' Cheney says (War over by 2009)

[RamboLiberal]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/30/cheney.iraq/index.html

The insurgency in Iraq is "in the last throes," Vice President Dick Cheney says, and he predicts that the fighting will end before the Bush administration leaves office.

In a wide-ranging interview Monday on CNN's "Larry King Live," Cheney cited the recent push by Iraqi forces to crack down on insurgent activity in Baghdad and reports that the most-wanted terrorist leader, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, had been wounded.

The vice president said he expected the war would end during President Bush's second term, which ends in 2009.

"I think we may well have some kind of presence there over a period of time," Cheney said. "The level of activity that we see today from a military standpoint, I think, will clearly decline. I think they're in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency."

[FloridaPat]

1. He also expected it over as soon as we got there. Wouldn't use

the vp as an oracle. And sure, they're in the last throes. That's why there is no place safe in Iraq. 70% unemployment. Sure doesn't leave much choice for the average person there.

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[laruemtt]

30. considering his chickenhawk status,

would that be "Derth Penis"?

[Vincardog]

2. Isn't this the same folks who expected our troops to be greeted

with Flowers and Candy? They were lying then and Cheney is lying now.
Stop the next war impeach The Whole Administration.

[Medical Speaking]

3. Yea Right

Go Cheney yourself.

[knowbody0]

4. "if you will"

[MGKrebs]

29. With respect to "if you will"...

NO I WON'T!

[zbdent]

5. "War Over by 2009" means

that the "liberal media coverage" of the "war" will cease to refer to it as a war.

It will be labeled a "success" by the lapdogs.

If a Dem gets in the WH, suddenly, the "insurgents" will flare up again, and all the documents discovered by the occupant will be dismissed as "fabricated" by a "person in over his(/her?) head" - and be used to say "See, you elected the wrong person!".

[katty]

49. 2009?! Peace at last?! US in full control of ME? in his wet dream

[Inland]

75. War is also over when one side goes home, declares victory in a huge lie.

Bush can't give us anything resembling a "success". All he can give us is surrender and a dose of propaganda.

That's the plan. Declare victory, bug out, and when the quisling Iraqi government falls in a civil war, blame the Iraqis.

[Beetwasher]

7. Whew!!! Well, That's Good To Know! Thanks Dick!

In that case, it was all worth it! :eyes:

[warrens]

8. Bwahahahaha

OK, dickybird, you just go over there and walk through Baghdad with a megaphone telling them they're toast. And I'll supply the matchbox to ship what's left of you home.

[bklyncowgirl]

9. Can he see a light at the end of the tunnel?

Man's been lying about this war from day 1. Should anyone believe him now?

[msanthrope]

39. Light at the end of the tunnel? Wait, weren't we

turning the corner? Or are we staying the course?

I forget.

[grytpype]

10. Jesus, what a liar.

In their last throes? I would hate to see what it would look like if they were winning!

[katty]

50. cheney actually meant to say the admin is in its 'last throes'

as usual, a cynical attempt to keep the feeble-minded fools loyal.

[Enraged_Ape]

11. The idiot monkey king told us the war was won in May, 2003

In other words, shut your piehole, Dick.

[krkaufman]

12. Hmmm... heard an interviewee on Air America this morning...

... claiming that US military leaders, with whom he is in contact, believe that we have already lost the war.

Pretty easy for the truth to be somewhere in the middle, between this statement and Cheney's lie.

[RamboLiberal]

21. Who did they interview on AAR

I do think the sane military leaders know we're screwed. We should've learned, insurgencies like this can last forever or at least a helluva long time.

Iraq reminds me of Lebanon in the 80's only I think on an even bigger scale.

[cliss]

38. Wow, that's quite a statement.

Who would believe Cheatin Cheney, anyway?

He is so NOT believable. Why on earth would anyone pick him to be a spokesman for the White House's message on anything?

I watched Cheney during the VP debates. He was despicable, and he looked down a lot of the time (not someone who inspires faith in the listener). His voice is monotone, flat. His eyes are shifty, they twirl around in their sockets, and you just come away not believing anything he says.

Mr. Potato Head.

[OKthatsIT]

53. CAN THEY SUCK ALL THE OIL OUT IN FOUR YEARS?

WOW.

[hadrons]

13. really, who's worse, this asshat or the morans will still believe him???

[HEIL PRESIDENT GOD]

14. Here's what he means:

The "insurgency" will be over by 2009, having been replaced by a full-blown civil war that involves the US and Syria and Iran.

[LibDemAlways]

15. Cheney's brain function is in its "last throes"

if he believes any of the made-up shit he's spewing. He knows goddamned well the US is building 14 permanent bases in Iraq and that there's still plenty of oil to be stolen over there no matter how many lives it costs.

In an ideal world the enraged families of every person killed in Iraq since this PNAC wet dream began would have descended on King's stage and.....you get the picture.

[KlatooBNikto]

16. Yes, it is in its last throes,except you have spelt it wrong.It should be

last throws as in they are going to throw Cheney's ass out of Iraq.

[Neshanic]

17. I remember saying that in 2010 the war would still be raging..

on another board, and they thought that was hysterically funny. They said that it was so absurd.

[Wright Patman]

18. It could be worse

At this point in LBJ's "Big Lie" war on Vietnam, the buzzword was "escalation" and eventually there were more than half a million troops there.

But back then we had something called ... ahem ... a draft.

[joefree1]

19. Uh?

Come out of your bunker once in a while.

[Botany]

20. He is not stupid like * ....... Dick knows he is lying.

Without honor, dignity, or the slightest bit of conciseness of any
morality the mother fucker keeps lying.

Dick the maps of Iraqi oil fields were on you desk in March of '01.

Please God, make this criminal bastards stand trial.

[katty]

51. cheney gets hard when he makes eye contact and lies

this kind of power makes him giddy.

[Botany]

61. Please dear God give me 5 minutes with dick alone

I would make that S.O.B. drink a gallon of oil and eat $1,000.00 of
twenty dollar bills.

Under Bush 1 he set up up a for profit outsource
jobs that used to be done "in house" by the military ...... after bush
1 he heads up a company that gets those jobs ...... bush 2 as vice president
he helps start a war and funnels billions to his old company ... the man
would make hitler blush.

[RaulGroom]

22. Oh good, 2009.

I can't imagine anything could possibly go wrong in the next 4 years that might upset this prediction. If you look at history politicians are pretty much always spot-on in their long-term predictions about wars and other conflicts.

Yay! The war is almost half over. Pop the champagne.

[murray hill farm]

26. we will be bankrupt in the usa...

long before 2009 at the rate we have spent thus far on Iraq...and we will be out of soldiers.

[kymar57]

76. exactly

That little Tet thing was "the last gasp of a defeated enemy".
May God help the soldiers sucked into bushit's war

[barb162]

23. how many times have we heard variations on this story

[StaggerLee]

24. Oh great, just great

I can just imagine what the small print on the bottom your crystal ball reads.

H A L L I B U R T O N


Burn in hell you conquistador fuck.

[donkeyotay]

44. Bottom line, Dick

How much to we have to pay you to make you go away? $500 billion, $700 billion? Would a trillion bail out you and your war profiteering scum buddies. You got your asbestos bidness, done. Can't you retire now?

Can we just pay you off up front?

[shance]

25. You know, at least they are transparent. *2009*?

How much more obvious can one be?

[dxstone]

27. He will NOT come out of his bunker; he will NEVER stand trial...

He is far too slick and slippery and highly-skilled in hiding in dark undisclosed locations...



Even when he finally takes the presidency in 2008, I doubt we'll see much of him... he'll probably just communicate thru an echoing disembodied voice while we stare at an image of a great fiery eye burning its unblinking gaze into the depths of our very souls...
Look, there's no point arguing; if he says the insurgency is in its last throes, then the insurgency is in its last throes...
It's his world now. We're all just his temporary guests.

Grim humor, yes... sorry...
God, I had the worst night last night. Endless nightmares.
Much like being awake these days, actually...
I don't understand how they could've done this so quickly and so effectively. I don't understand how so many cannot see this incredible horror before us all now.
And yet there it is... and no matter how they fuck up, no matter how guilty or culpable or perfectly wrong about everything they are proved, again and again, the madness continues unabated...
There seems to be about 70,000 of us who are actually awake and aware... meaning that more than 99% of our citizenry are still fast asleep, and dreaming of happy dancing cupcakes and candies...
I guess Dick can pretty much say any goddamn thing he wants. SCREW reality; they're remaking it even as we speak.
D

[NYC Liberal]

28. Of course it will be 2009

Just after they leave. Which = no accountability for them.

And the next President will have to take all the blame for their war...but what do they care even if it's a Republican?

[u2spirit]

31. But I thought

We didn't want to give timetables on when we were leaving because that would embolden the turrists! What a slimy bastard.

[rodeodance]

42. they need the war to get elected-simple as that--the Iraq war is 'real' as

compared to 'war of terror"--which is anywhere and everywhere.

[RPM]

32. Last throes? yet over in 4 years?

or is that when the oil runs out?

[Massachusetts]

33. "in the last throes,"

Who Dick?

[daleo]

34. So, four more years

At current rates, that would come to about:
3200 U.S. dead military
500 other "coalition"
maybe another 100,000 Iraqi civilians killed
perhaps another trillion dollars spent.

And nothing to do with Ossama Bin Laden or weapons of mass destruction.

[Straight Shooter]

35. He also said Amnesty International was wrong about HR violations in Gitmo.

Cheney is out of touch with reality. Apparently that implant is in overdrive and diverting all the blood from his brain, because he is most definitely talking like a dick.

[CBHagman]

36. I used to hear "They're getting desperate."

That was what U.S. military officials said of insurgents. They also liked using the phrase "They know they're losing." I have heard that expression lately.

I always say that someone like Bush doesn't deserve the White House, he deserves a 12-step program, and this state of being in denial is more proof of that. These people are, at best, incompetent, and the sooner the country faces that -- and demands competence -- the better.

[moondust]

37. Sure Dick. And Iraq clearly still has WMD.

Cheney is the zen master of brainwashing himself into believing whatever he wants to believe and never letting go. To hell with the facts and the truth.

[wookie294]

40. Take heart, people -- this is proof we're withdrawing from Iraq

The bogus statements of "victory" coming from military intelligence and the White House indicate Bush has decided to withdraw the troops regardless of whether Iraq is stable. I believe Bush has already decided to withdraw half the troops before November 2006. He will house the remaining troops on 4 military bases in Iraq. Those troops will hide in their bunkers while Iraq continues to go up in flames. I'm getting optimistic that this quagmire (for America) is coming to end (but will continue for the Iraqi people, unfortunately).

[Roland99]

43. Nah...I think they truly believe in their ideology

[The_Casual_Observer]

46. And leave all that oil in the hands of Iraqis?

Think again.

Consolidation of American forces into 4 mega bases, able to strike at any demonstrations, sieges or large scale insurrections. They are never leaving Iraq.

[wookie294]

47. Insurgents are kicking our ass

Check out the article at the Guardian, which says Basra is controlled by non-Coalition forces.

The Pentagon reports that U.S. troops are doing “almost nothing” to fight the Iraqi resistance and have been transferring combat duties to “under-equipped, barely trained Iraqi troops and police.” See link….

http://www.europamax.com/news/news_u_s_leans_more_on_iraq_53597.html

A soldier in Iraq said " can't use the word, but we're withdrawing …. Slowly, that's what we're doing." See link….

http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/51254

Surrender is in the air!

[number6]

41. yea sure

"Iraq insurgency in 'last throes,' Cheney says (War over by 2009)"

..light at the end of the tunnel

there attacking us cause their desperate ..

Iraqee-i-zation is working.

399 Iraq-e-cong insurgents killed or captured

blah blah whatever......

[LynnTheDem]

45. 3 times bush refused to allow the military to "take out" Zarqawi

before bush's illegal war of aggression on Iraq.

Suddenly, Zarqawi is the "most-wanted terrorist".

A man who was Hussein's enemy; a man who's group was under US protection for years until bush's illegal war of aggression; a man who had nothing to do with 911.

A man who was a total nothing until bush's illegal war of aggression.

And suddenly, Zarqawi is the "most-wanted terrorist".

******

"We believe Iraq has reconstituted its nuclear weapons program".
-Cheney the dick

[Frederik]

54. Not only that...

lately, Zarqawi has been referred to as "al-Qaida leader Abu Mussab al-Zarqawi". Have you noticed? How orwellian is that?

[LynnTheDem]

63. I have noticed that. And I laugh everyt ime. Just as Osama must be

laughing his frigging ass off over everything.

[jayctravis]

48. Their plan is for the next President to "end" the war...

of course they're planning on it being a Republican who will then "earn political capital" for doing so.

[Gloria]

52. What, is Cheney already running for President on all his "success"?

Maybe he can put Laura on the ticket as VP -- UGH

[truthisfreedom]

55. dupe please remove

dupe

please remove

[truthisfreedom]

56. "last throes, if you will..." hey cheney... pardon me, but no, i won't.

nor will any of the rest of us.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

57. General Westmoreland said the same thing following the 1968...

...Tet Offensive. That statement wasn't even close, and neither is Cheney's.

[truthisfreedom]

60. i'm trying to find a transcript of his speech. here some commentary:

In fact, when General Westmoreland announced to the American public late in 1967 that he could see "the light at the end of the tunnel"--in other words, that victory was in sight--the war had settled into a military and political stalemate, with American forces suffering ever higher rates of casualties (more than 14,000 combat deaths in 1968 alone--the highest annual figure for the entire war).

http://www.veteranmuseum.org/vietnamwar.html

[Debau2005]

58. Cheney

He has a point! The fighting will end before the current administration leaves office! We will have no more money and no more soldiers to fight, so just by the mere fact that we are out of resources we'll have to pull out. Kind of like when you can't pay for gas, eventually the car stops going! He is an idiot and as far as I am concerned he is an even greater danger to the U.S. then the pres is.

Edited for misspelling.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

59. I remember a Reader's Digest article circa 1971

Title: "In Vietnam, the Enemy is Defeated."

[Zerex71]

62. How convenient...four more years...

Four more years for these evil fat bastards to line their pockets, converting blood into oil into profit.

[DoYouEverWonder]

He's obviously delusional.

Must be from taking those heart meds all these years. He has definitely lost touch with reality.

[realcountrymusic]

65. he's disassembling

that's all

rcm

[confludemocrat]

69. also Bush: a new golden age is before our eyes; these two are nuts

And anyone among their supporters who refuses to see the reality must be insane. Any righties reading this stuff and believeing it are f'in crazy, and that's not just an expression.

[DoYouEverWonder]

72. They used to put people in straight jackets

for this kind of ranting and raving.

Can't we Baker Act these guys?

[mmonk]

64. Heard that before

How many years does a death throw last?

[LynnTheDem]

66. OH ya GOT ME! OOOOH! OWWWWWW! ARRRRRGH!

OOOOOWWWW!

Goodbye cruel world! *crash*

....2006....

OOOOHHHH! OOOOW! I'm going fast!

*crash*

OOOOWWWW! ARRRRGH! *gurgle*

....2007...

ANY MINUTE NOW! OOOOOW! ARRRRGH!

It's the BIG ONE!

....2008....

OH the pain! Everything's growing dim! OWWWWW!

*stumble*

....2022....

I'm coming home, Allah! OOOOW! ARRRGH!

....

[dxstone]

74. Lynne, YOU got ME!

You got me laughin' very hard...
:rofl:

D

[TeeYiYi]

78. Last throes = 4 years. That's good to know. Thanks LTD . . .

. . . for the belly laugh. :yourock:

TYY:rofl:

[Zorra]

67. Washington Post, Page 1, May 31, 2005: Three Bombers Kill 31 In Iraq

BAGHDAD, May 30 -- The first attacker slipped unnoticed into the gathering of police commandos, detonating explosives that tore through the crowd. As frenzied survivors dashed for the shelter of a nearby building, two other bombers ran with them before setting off simultaneous blasts Monday morning, witnesses said.

In all, the precisely coordinated assault in Hilla -- targeting police officers who were protesting a provincial governor's decision to disband their units -- killed 31 people and wounded 108, according to Muhammed Hadi, a physician at the hospital where most victims were taken.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/30/AR2005053000433.html

Clearly, we have turned the corner.

[Disturbed]

70. W is a sock puppet.

Cheney is the evil puppeteer.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

68. "And we won't come back

'til it's over, over there."

[Lisa]

71. and to think that Nazi Germany was subdued by the end of 1945!

A regime far more vicious than Saddam Hussein's, which DID have stacks of WMDs, and had been actively training the Hitler Youth to be guerilla resistance fighters -- yet somehow the bombings, attacks on Allied troops and facilities, and intimidation of German civilians were pretty much over in a matter of months after VE day.

It would be great if Cheney's words come true and the bloodshed is over by the end of Bush's second term (even if it means that he's going to be taking credit for it). But somehow I don't think we're looking at "last throes" here.

[fertilizeonarbusto]

73. (Gomer Pyle voice) wall, thein

dat's only FIVE YEARS of "last throes." WHEW That Jeebus dat's all!
:silly:

[manic expression]

77. Are you serious???

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Well, can you really expect any better?

Absolutely pitiful. No grip on reality whatsoever.

[obxhead]

79. I think he's right.

I imagine in 2007 as the candidates start to crawl out from under their rocks you will hear.... I'll let you guess.....

Exit Strategy.

Just setting up the platform that's all. more to come in 2k7.

[sakabatou]

80. So that means at least 15 more years in Iraq/Afghanistan, right Cheney?

[Rex]

81. Evil Cheney will be remembered as a traitor to his country.

Historians will make sure of it.

[stevedeshazer]

82. Do you need more proof that Cheney's running for President?

I'm telling you all, he's running.

[lovuian]

83. And if you believe that one Your a dang fool!!!

lets see 2009- 2005 = 4years thats a long time and alot of soldiers killed!!!

[Miss Chybil]

84. Four years of last throes? Interestingly long last throe. Especially,

since it coincides with the time these bastards get out of office, plus a year to clean up enough of the mess the next president can start bringing our people home. I'm sure Bush and Cheney will have secured the oil contracts by then, as well.

[lakeguy]

85. wow, that would be funny if it didn't sound like vietnam all over again!@

[chomskysright]

86. FUCK YOU CHENEY!!!! : Nuremberg will be too good for you!