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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 09:47 PM
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Bush's Political Capital Spent, Voices in Both Parties Suggest
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/30/AR2005053000891.html

Bush's Political Capital Spent, Voices in Both Parties Suggest
Poll Numbers Sag as Setbacks Mount at Home and Abroad

By Peter Baker and Jim VandeHei
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, May 31, 2005; Page A02

Two days after winning reelection last fall, President Bush declared that he had earned plenty of "political capital, and now I intend to spend it." Six months later, according to Republicans and Democrats alike, his bank account has been significantly drained.

In the past week alone, the Republican-led House defied his veto threat and passed legislation promoting stem cell research; Senate Democrats blocked confirmation, at least temporarily, of his choice for U.N. ambassador; and a rump group of GOP senators abandoned the president in his battle to win floor votes for all of his judicial nominees.

With his approval ratings in public opinion polls at the lowest level of his presidency, Bush has been stymied so far in his campaign to restructure Social Security. On the international front, violence has surged again in Iraq in recent weeks, dispelling much of the optimism generated by the purple-stained-finger elections back in January, while allies such as Egypt and Uzbekistan have complicated his campaign to spread democracy.

The series of setbacks on the domestic front could signal that the president has weakened leverage over his party, a situation that could embolden the opposition, according to analysts and politicians from both sides. Bush faces the potential of a summer of discontent when his capacity to muscle political Washington into following his lead seems to have diminished and few easy victories appear on the horizon.

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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 09:50 PM
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1. Serves the arrogant SoB right. nt
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 09:51 PM
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2. What capital? He lost. nt
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 05:51 AM
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29. he blew his Capital account
just like he blew the surplus
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 09:52 PM
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3. well then, on to Iran
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 12:39 AM
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23. Or Syria, or perhaps an "easy" victory in Venezuela
Who cares how many innocents perish in order to bolster our Divine Emperor's image?
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rwenos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 09:52 PM
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4. Watch For Pub's to try to Muscle Bush Now
You've already seen McCain do it, with good results. This will have to embolden others. The more it happens, the weaker he looks.

My two predictions:

1. He'll orchestrate another war crisis to consolidate power; AND
2. Watch for the rise of other Republicans, grabbing for the limelight.

One thing about the Conservatives -- they're cannibals. They eat their own.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 10:08 PM
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11. Two strategies for pubs
They can try to ride his coattails like Frist or they can go the other way like McCain. Interesting how Hagel was sticking his thumb in bush's eye at every turn earlier and now has backed off that. What's up with that guy?
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imax2268 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 09:53 PM
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5. awwww...
poor wittle guy...

looks like people in Washington have had it with their bullying...
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 10:03 PM
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9. Let's Get Ready For Bushgate!
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 11:27 PM
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17. Popcorn, anyone? We've earned it!
But don't wait till the cows come home. Nevertheless... stock-up on:

:popcorn:

We're in for 1 big bump in the * road!
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 02:29 AM
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28. Pass it on
but don't get complacent, cornered and frightened beasts fight the hardest
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 06:10 PM
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48. That's the memogate series I want to tune in for the summer! Impeach!!!!
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 09:55 PM
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6. He don't need no stinkin' capital, he's still got the anthax...
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 09:57 PM
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7. bu$hit could f*ck up velcro...
...he's rotted everything he's touched. Can we put him in a padded cell now?
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MeDeMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 10:02 PM
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8. oddly enough...
most of this has little to do with irrational exuberance on the part of the electorate or the opposition, it does however have a lot to do with his radical agenda & misguided ambitions.

If his agenda should prevail:

- women will be kept barefoot & pregnant

- gay bashing will be declared "justifiable assault"

- progressives, liberals & democrats will be routinely trampled upon and declared as being soul-less or without morals

- muslims, around the world, will be routinely discriminated and have their civil rights violated in the name of terrorism & national security



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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 10:04 PM
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10. bush's political
capital was spent the day,December 12, 2001, the Supreme Court 5 betrayed AMerica..and it's been going to hell in a concorde ever since.
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Tux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 10:15 PM
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13. I can't understand that
In case of a tie, Senate calls it. Consitution says so. Why do Reagan/Bush 1 appointed judges hate America?
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 10:08 PM
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12. Terrified of 2006. Parties do get decimated in democracies if they
.... if they are conservatives. The liberal parties never seem to get decimated. Because they don't abuse power!

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olddad56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 04:16 PM
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46. These days, it is the party that programs the voting machines that wins
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 05:23 PM
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47. I don't agree with you there. Many people don't agree with you on
that issue. You could just say "voting transparency" and not be pushing anything. Why push? Why assume that this is a fact when many on the DU disagree?
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wildwww2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 06:34 PM
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49. I agree with him. And many people on DU are trolls. And that is a fact.
Some are transparent. Some are not. But the exit polls here in Florida said Kerry won. Then low and behold the repuke owned machines counted the votes and usuper boy gets in again. And the repuke owned media becomes quite as a church mouse about the huge discrepancies.
Peace
Wildman
Al Gore is My President
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 07:51 PM
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50. I'll agree on Gore. n/t
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tmooses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 10:21 PM
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14. What capital? What mandate? Without voter intimidation and vote fraud
this jerk would never have even been elected!
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 11:29 PM
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18. Don't forget all that Pac $!
You got that right. The jerk never won to begin with. He stole it!
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oxbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 11:06 PM
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15. Did you see this part?
Edited on Mon May-30-05 11:09 PM by oxbow
" In recent meetings, House Republicans have discussed putting more pressure on the White House to move beyond Social Security and talk up different issues, such as health care and tax reform, according to Republican officials who asked not to be named to avoid angering Bush's team."

They're still scared of him, And with good cause. These people are the Washington Mafia. Messing with them is political suicide, even in this "summer of discontent."

This part is also telling:

"Bush started off his second term with a string of important victories, pushing through measures to make it harder to file class-action lawsuits against big corporations and to wipe out debts by filing for personal bankruptcy. Congress passed its first budget resolution in years, largely along the lines of Bush's proposals, and gave him nearly everything he asked for in an $82 billion supplemental appropriations bill to pay for war costs in Iraq and Afghanistan."

So the corporations are his top priority? Big surprise there.
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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 03:24 PM
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41. And look at this part too:
Here is the total asshole Gingrich extolling what Bush should be emphasizing vis a vis Social Security

"To get back on track, Gingrich said, Bush should pare down his Social Security plan to its central element, personal investment accounts funded by payroll taxes. "I don't think he can get complex reform through,' Gingrich said. 'It's too hard with the AARP opposing you and all of the Democrats lined up against it.'"

What a lying, distorting creep. He implies the Demos would thwart real, saving-the-system type reform (which worst-President-ever Bush could really care less about, given that he seeks it total destruction), while suggesting Bush push the private accounts, the brain-deadest, most underhandedly undermining part of his "plan".
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 11:25 PM
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16. Look! Look! The king has no clothes!!!
The sheeple are finally waking the fuck up. They are seeing moron* for the flimsy paper tiger his is. I just hope it's not to late.
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dad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 12:06 AM
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19. No brains either
E V E R Y O N E in their right minds should hate Bush, no exceptions. Hell, even GHWB warned against taking over and occupying Iraq.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 12:29 AM
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22. The son is much worse than the father.
GHWB may be a conservative, but as president he wasn't a neo-con like his son. He actually wanted peace among nations, and refused Wolfie's advice to march on Baghdad in Desert Storm. Once Kuwait was liberated, he was outta there. But the Neo-cons wanted, and still want, endless war.
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howmad1 Donating Member (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 12:23 AM
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20. Oh, Oh!
If the sheeple are finally waking up, I strongly recommend they stay out of tall buildings till 2008. Gee, wouldn't it be interesting if we had a repeat of Sept. 11, 2001 on Sept. 11, 2005? I suspect the rethuglicans will do anything, including bringing down tall buildings, to bring the morons popularity rating back to the high 90s'. In their deperate lust for power and profit, I wouldn't put anything past them. ;(
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 08:38 AM
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31. Don't think it'll work a second time. More people are waking up to the...

...fact that this bunch is likely the responsible party for 9/11. A second attack would seal their fate.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 12:28 AM
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21. Word in Washington is that *'s political capital is down to spare change.
We all know that no matter what bush has, he wastes it.



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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 12:53 AM
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24. He's losing the war in Iraq. He's not supposed to lose the war in Iraq
The economy offers only shit home depot service and retail jobs, and he lied about the trip to mars. If he actually had any "capital" it's gone now.
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 01:07 AM
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25. damn, he used up his political capital faster than the budget surplus!
she-it!
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 08:14 AM
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30. no doubt about it...
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 01:21 AM
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26.  The capital he printed up
was as phony as his votes were.
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bling bling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 01:28 AM
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27. Good. He's done enough damage for a lifetime.
The less capital he has, the more relieved I feel.
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 09:53 AM
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32. He barely won (if we even can trust the machines). He didn't have
any capital.
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Massachusetts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 10:49 AM
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33. Advantage McCain
The McCain bandwagon has been rejuvenated.

"Faith of Our Fathers", will BOOST McCain in the eyes of many (the masses want to HERO worship), especially those who thought Bushit was a regular Top Gun.

McCain couldn't asked for better MEDIA coverage.


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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 11:15 AM
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34. Bush's Political Capital Spent, Voices in Both Parties Suggest
i think he has more to spend.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/30/AR2005053000891.html?referrer=email

Bush's Political Capital Spent, Voices in Both Parties Suggest
Poll Numbers Sag as Setbacks Mount at Home and Abroad

By Peter Baker and Jim VandeHei
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, May 31, 2005; A02



Two days after winning reelection last fall, President Bush declared that he had earned plenty of "political capital, and now I intend to spend it." Six months later, according to Republicans and Democrats alike, his bank account has been significantly drained.

In the past week alone, the Republican-led House defied his veto threat and passed legislation promoting stem cell research; Senate Democrats blocked confirmation, at least temporarily, of his choice for U.N. ambassador; and a rump group of GOP senators abandoned the president in his battle to win floor votes for all of his judicial nominees.

With his approval ratings in public opinion polls at the lowest level of his presidency, Bush has been stymied so far in his campaign to restructure Social Security. On the international front, violence has surged again in Iraq in recent weeks, dispelling much of the optimism generated by the purple-stained-finger elections back in January, while allies such as Egypt and Uzbekistan have complicated his campaign to spread democracy.

The series of setbacks on the domestic front could signal that the president has weakened leverage over his party, a situation that could embolden the opposition, according to analysts and politicians from both sides. Bush faces the potential of a summer of discontent when his capacity to muscle political Washington into following his lead seems to have diminished and few easy victories appear on the horizon.

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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 11:15 AM
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35. His Man-Date seems to be missing also... n/t
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SnowGoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 11:40 AM
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36. You don't SPEND capital, you INVEST it.
Figures he doesn't know the difference.
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ribrepin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 02:33 PM
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38. Excellent Point
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 02:04 PM
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37. Spent? Personally, I think he's running a deficit!
A HUGE Deficit!

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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 03:14 PM
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39. Sounds exactly like his "business" career.
Another bankrupt episode to add to all the rest.

Trouble is, he always spends OTHER people's capital, and then blows it all away.

Never learns.

They will never make him learn.

I pray for the day when he is forced to pay for all he has done - bigtime!
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CANDO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 03:16 PM
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40. Republicans in Congress could cement themselves as majority party...
for decades if they could find the balls to investigate the Downing Street Memo and impeach this lowlife bastard of their own party, but they are too stupid to realize this genuine opportunity. Surely it would piss off their religious nut job base, but they then could get back to what the Republican party once was and most moderate minded Americans would applaud them and support them. Now don't jump all over me. I'm a true blue Labor Democrat and always will be, but you have to admit it would be a monumental leap forward for their party if they'd ever open their eyes to it. Thoughts anyone?
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 03:28 PM
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42. Actually, his account is way overdrawn.
And the MSM gladly collude to keep him and the rest of the liars in power.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 03:29 PM
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43. Yeah, but he keeps geting everything he wants
The dems just punted him three of the most extreme judges to ever sit on federal bench.

What difference does it make whether he has any so called "political capital?" If the dems continue to sell us out at every turn- and that they plan to do anything but- Bush's lack of popularity doesn't mean shit.
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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 03:32 PM
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44. A telling excerpt here:
Get this:

"'The Democrats are doing everything they can to make this president a lame duck,' Republican consultant Ed Rollins complained on Fox News on Friday."

WTF have the Democrats done? Nothing. They have no strategy, yet the house of cards is toppling of its own volition, the mark of a disastrously lame and screwed up agenda and philosophy.

These repub hack commentators can't utter a single sentence that isn't an outright lie or a cynical distortion.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 04:13 PM
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45. Conyers, Byrd and Reid have gone on the attack where it counts. In the sen
senate. Instead of being blow-hards, they stop the nominations and legislation. No marriage ammendment, no social security drain, his two big pet projects, and it looks like his stem cell will make it through the senate, too. We're doing alot, where it counts.

"The Democrats are doing everything they can to make this president a lame duck," Republican consultant Ed Rollins complained on Fox News on Friday. William Kristol, editor of the conservative Weekly Standard, wrote recently about "the impression -- and the reality -- of disarray" in urging Bush to wage a strong fight for the nomination of John R. Bolton as U.N. ambassador.

Looks like humpty dumpty's gonna fall, after all.

Now, call your senators and demand impeachment hearings! We don't need no stinkin' blue dress!
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MzShellG Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 07:53 PM
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51. Bush is politically bankrupt.
There is no capital or mandate. Just because he said it,
doesnt make it so. The people didnt come out in droves 2004 to
re-elect him. I find that hard to believe. Young people and
'minorities' who had'nt ever voted before. I'm confident his
approval ratings were low and I refuse to believe ALL the
electorate were misinformed. Even the average Joe on the
street can see shrub had a mental deficit since before
election 2000. Done ranting....(taking breath)
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:30 AM
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52. kick to combine
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Mark E. Smith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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53. Right Wing Losing Pull With Electorate
Polls finding conservative agenda less popular.

Connecticut Post 5/31

WASHINGTON - Recent polls show that Republicans, who five months ago secured their hold on Congress and the White House, appear to be losing their grip on the American electorate.

President Bush and the Republican-controlled Congress have seen their popularity plummet in recent national polls, as Americans seem to grow increasingly uncomfortable with an agenda shaped by evangelical Christians.

"Republicans might very well have misinterpreted their mandate from the elections," said Gary Rose, a professor of politics at Sacred Heart University in Fairfield, Conn. "While a portion of the electorate supports these conservative, almost reactionary, policies, that is not where the country is at."

A spate of recent polls show Bush in the doghouse with the American people:

- A Quinnipiac University Poll last week found Bush's job approval had hit an all-time low. Only 44 percent approve of the job he is doing, and 50 percent disapprove.

- Bush's approval ratings for handling the economy, Iraq and Social Security hit new lows last week, according to an USA Today/CNN/Gallup Poll. Half those polled said they disapprove of the way Bush is handling his job as president.

- And a recent CBS News poll found 6 in 10 Americans just don't think the president shares their priorities for the country; just 34 percent say he does. This is the lowest mark since the eve of his inauguration.

http://www.connpost.com/news/ci_2769073

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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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54. And Bush is a lame duck or will be one very very soon
The 2006 election is coming up and the House Repugs want their jobs back.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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92. Any wedge is a good thing. ANY wedge at all. The more crumbling
we can encourage in their wall of invincibility, the better.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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96. amen to that
keep driving that wedge, make congressional repubs start slinking away from him ...
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corbett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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97. It Worked In Berlin!
I feel just like you do and relish every moment of backlash.
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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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55. Americans getting their fill of xenophobia, fascism, violence,
and ex-officio Nazism? Say it ain't so!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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56. Or most of the public voted against them last Nov., but BBV put them back
in office.
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manly Donating Member (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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61. BBV
Enough already with these damn acronyms. What the hell is BBV?
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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65. BBV is the new electronic voting machines
made and owned by Diebold, ES&S, and Sequoia (Owners are Bush pioneers). There is no paper trail, no access to the source, no way to do a true recount. They are easily hacked, and manipulated. there is no way to know if you vote is counted correctly. That was one reason Jimmy Carter will not monitor our elections. Our elections are a mess and there is no way to validate our elections.

Black Box Voting.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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67. It stands for
Black Box Voting but refers to the computerized voting machines which are riggable, non-secure, hackable, and provide NO paper ballot which can be used in recounts.

The BBV and Black Box Voting terms are supposed to be trademarked or whatever by Bev Harris, so I no longer use them except in a context like this, to explain that we shouldn't use them.

You should familiarize yourself with the issues involved, tho, because as the old saying goes, You can't vote 'em out if you didn't vote 'em in. Some of us -- no, most of us -- are convinced that both of the last 2 national elections were stolen. And if you visit the 2004 Elections forum (go to Lobby and look for it), you'll see lots and lots and lots of very damned compelling information.

A belated welcome to DU.
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corbett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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98. That's Why We Need VIVA!
http://www.commoncause.org/VIVA2005

Please share the above URL.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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101. BBV and the Dribs & Drabs methodology
"Those 1,000 votes wouldn't change anything..." and then there were those other 15,000 that "won't change anything" and then there were those "don't want to be seen as a sore loser" concepts and then those other "7,000 votes won't change anything" and then feed a little false data to shame some media stars publicly and a few thousand more votes over there but they "won't change the result..." and hey-- never mind the public sentiment-- dribs & drabs can win the day !
>>>I hope I'm wrong, but with two elections stolen and impeachable offenses being minimized, will public sentiment be strong enough to overcome the multi-tiered strategies of the corporate right ?
>>>If Watergate happened today, wouldn't TV talking heads minimize it by declaring calmly that "everyone knows politics is a dirty business..." and "both parties spy on each other all the time..." ??
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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57. the most hopeful article in quite some time.
Hope this 'shift' is real and holds for the 2006 elections!
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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64. Amen! nt
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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69. The only "shift" is in the reporting
This IS a liberal country. Most people absolutely favor Democratic positions on issues, and a Democratic agenda. That has been the case for as long as I've been alive (57 years) and longer thanks to FDR.

BUT the issues have to be explained to them properly in order for them to "choose" the right responses on polls and such.

The demographics also favor us -- shrinking white population as compared to ethnic minorities who typically vote our way.

These truths are why the Repugs MUST cheat, lie and steal. They have no choice if they're to win, and they definitely plan to win. LIVE to win. Winning is the ONLY thing.

They have to lie about who they are and what they're all about; they have to lie about their agenda and their legislation (by giving them Orwellian names like the Clear Skies Initiative); they have to lie about everything they're involved in, and they have to pretend to be for values that are core Democratic values (aside from those tricky moral "wedge" issues).
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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73. YES, YES, YES!!!
I absolutely agree with you. We ARE a LIBERAL country, the issues DU need to be presented better to the people!!!!

:toast:
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Carla in Ca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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90. And how each member of Congress votes
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Mark E. Smith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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95. Nice, isn't it?
Hopefully along with the perception of a Bush decline in popularity will come a willingness by the press to get just a bit more interested in such things as the Downing Street Memo.

Perhaps they will find a less popular Bush to be not quite so intimidating.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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58. electorate???? wtf there is no electorate
these crooks control the voting machines ...give me a break, this shit is fixed start to finish
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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72. Let's Not Forget The Media
they cover up the truth about the voting machines, and the voting machine owners know that!
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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83. Exactly -they had no mandate


That was a Scamgate!
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Tux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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59. No shit
Americans seem to grow increasingly uncomfortable with an agenda shaped by evangelical Christians.

Could it be Americans prefer democracy, liberty, pursuit of happiness, and desire to think for one self? I shat my pants. People are waking the fuck up ever so fuckign slowly.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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60. What I want to
know is..why did they think they wanted that agenda Ever?

bush and his fucking man date.

bushreich doesn't care if it's less popular..they will just go right on streamrolling with the likes of larry king and whoreblitzer propping them up for the US citizens.

Until they are stopped by some unforseen force.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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68. Is that why * said he's got to catapult the propaganda
until the "truth" sinks in (or was it "until the LIES sink in?")

:popcorn:
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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77. your welcome!
:-)
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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79. Oui! Viva_La_Revolution!
I wish the People will see the little aWoLies king as who he his and revolt (peacefully) against his corporate monarchy and his Court of the PNAC gangster$ soon.

Vive La Revolution Pacifique!

:applause:
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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82. HEY SKINNER! I WANNA CHANGE MY NAME!
Vive La Revolution Pacifique!

Amonester - it's perfect. I played around with Viva-la-social-revolution, and a few other variations, but they were no good.

And I live on the left coast! Double perfect

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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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103. Viva_La_Revolution & Vive La Revolution Pacifique!
We, hereby, officially proclaim these two expressions (the first one in Spanish and the second one in French) as having the same meanings.

Pax & paix, mean peace.
Amor & amour, mean love.

(Feels kind of a new 1773-like Tea Party line, circa 2005) ;)


NO OIL WARS!
STOP THE PNAC DOMINIONISTS!
IMPEACH THE NEW PEARL HARBOR CONSPIRATORS!
END THE BFEE CRIMINAL MONARCHY!

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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80. Yeah, that blurt out by
Edited on Tue May-31-05 10:35 PM by zidzi
bush needs to take on a life of its own..thanks for reminding us and helping with that.

Someone else has bush's quote and a similiar one by goebbels.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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70. truly well said
bushreich doesn't care if it's less popular..they will just go right on streamrolling with the likes of larry king and whoreblitzer propping them up for the US citizens.

"Who cares what you think" GWB Philadelphia 7/4/01
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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62. Suddenly polls telling the truth?
Edited on Tue May-31-05 09:17 PM by Dover
My guess is the upper echelons have turned on the neocons....
But their original agenda is likely still in play.
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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63. Good
But I think the big problem is that those in power right now play very, very dirty; they won't let their grip on the power they have w/o a (literal) fight.

That's what scares me.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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66. The polls mean nothing.
Remember the "Exit polls"? Unless the voting machines get fixed.....the Repukes will wipe the mat with us again in 2006 & 2008. Andy will tell you the same thing.
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Sub Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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71. "This is the lowest mark since the eve of his inauguration"
That's pretty telling.

He was nearly as hated as he is today on the evening of his inauguration.

I'm sure that's his 2005 inauguration, as they no longer speak of 2001 and the egg.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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74. The Military is rebelling!!! they are being used and abused!!!
thats ticking them off!!!
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Vogon_Glory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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75. The Polls WON'T Matter If The Holy Joes Vote And
The polls won't matter one d*mn bit if the indolent and apathetic repeat their 2000, 2002, and 2004 arse-resting performances again in 2006 and afterwards while the "Christian" Reconstructionists go down to the voting booths in droves.

If the asleep and the apathetic are only now wondering why Gee Dubya and the rest of the Banana Republican Party is trying to undermine what's left of their safety net after turning their assets over to the credit card companies, it's because those fools haven't bothered to pay attention.

These days I pray for Divine mercy. If the Almighty gives Americans what they deserve, they'll elect those Dominionist fools and ruin the country.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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76. Watch, Bush is going to act like the last 4 years never happened
Except of course for the one thing that's keeping his political career from going in the toilet:

9/11! 9/11! 9/11! 9/11! Bin laden! Bin laden! Freedom! Freedom! Dangerous madman!
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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78. I knew it. I knew there are more of "us" than there are of "them."
Think about it. Sure, a lot of folks go to church three times a week, but MOST of them don't. Most of them might go on Christmas, Easter and to funerals and weddings and a lot go every so often on Sunday. These are the majority of Christians. NOT the snake handling gay bashing gun-toting abortion hating but non-adoptive racist evangelical fundamentalists . How they got such a loud voice in our government, all of a sudden, is beyond me.

I'd like to point out this is the SECOND time the Republicans have grabbed the majority and lost it, (I'm sure they will lose it), through their own blind arrogant ignorance about who make up this United States of America. It ain't all white bread and it ain't all Southern Baptist. Maybe, if they climbed down out of their golden towers they might notice who's out here. Party's over big boys.
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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81. "While a portion of the electorate supports these ... policies,
... that is not where the country is at."

Truer words have not appeared in the corporate media to date. The dam is cracking, folks. We're not quite at the tipping point yet, but you can see it from here without straining your eyes or standing on your tip-toes.

Keep talking out loud about the election theft. We are being heard, and they will be punished -- now and throughout history. The "sensible seven" on the moderate end of the Repug cesspool might make room for more. (How about it, Lamar (the Orange State's junior Senator): still remember anything your East TN schoolteacher parents taught you about this country and what it takes to keep it? I sure hope so.)

Now's the time for the new generation's "Deep Throats" to emerge. Why wait until you're 91 to accept the grateful thanks of a formerly proud democratic nation? Join Mr. Curtis and Ms. Eaton -- kick some fat elephant ass and spew the names of the guilty for all to hear.
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olddad56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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84. I wouldn't refer to the people in power as Republicans...
I think Fascists is more appropriate. They hijacked the Republican party a long time ago.
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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86. So true... they ought to just call themselves what they really are
Fascist Chickensh*ts

Kind of an odd combination but there you have it.
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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85. That is good news but... as long as those electronic voting
systems are in place, the repugs will keep on winning.

I hate to be a wet blanket but I truly believe that's the case.

Had it not been for those freakin' machines, Gore would be serving his second term. Argh!!!!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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88. Kill the vote machines before they kill us!
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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91. Amen to THAT n/t
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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94. Amen again!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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87. 34% approval? No I'm sure it's turdy tree and a turd!
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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89. They'll pull them right back in with a dose of men kissing at the alter
a few abortion doctors, and an Osama video.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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100. When will the idiots catch on to that ploy?
When will we have a media that TELLS the people the truth?
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NNguyenMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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93. But do you really think that the idiots who pulled the level for * are
starting to see the light? They seem to represent the epitome of the denialist mentality.

It'll only be when the storm troopers march down Pennslyvania Blvd. with a big W insignia on their armbands before Bush voters even consider that voting for the retard might have been a mistake.

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corbett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
Response to Reply #93
99. That's Why We Need VIVA!
http://www.commoncause.org/VIVA2005

Please share the above URL.
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:31 AM
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102. I urge everyone to email/fax/send this to their Dem Congressperson
If your Congress person is a Dem, please send this to them. If you are like me and you have two repub Senators, then send this to the Dem Senator of your choice.

I am faxing this to Kerry, Nelson and Lieberman. :)

I have this printed out with a large arrow pointing to Hastert's statement about Dems voting with the repubs and I've written this in:

"Don’t believe the media hype! This country does NOT support the Radical Republican agenda! Stand up for the American people and vote Democratic!!

Stop bowing down to the Republicans!!"
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valis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 10:16 AM
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104. n/t wrong thread. Sorry.
Edited on Wed Jun-01-05 10:17 AM by valis
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