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pissed_American Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 01:40 AM
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U.S. CONGRESS MOVES AGAINST IRAN
WASHINGTON -- The U.S. Congress has decided to support efforts to overthrow the Islamic regime in Iran.

http://www.menewsline.com/stories/2005/may/05_18_3.html


HERE WE GO. SHIT !

This is all I could find. Hope that is ok.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 01:44 AM
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1. It's Santorum. That asshole.
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Gyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 09:11 AM
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46. It's AIPAC. Those assholes!
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hector459 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 01:20 PM
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65. We are the United States of Israel, no doubt about it. n/t
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 08:05 AM
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76. I think Santorum needs to send a couple of his fundy children
off to fight these wars he so enthusiastically supports. He's got SIX of them after all; he can spare a few.
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 01:44 AM
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2. yep...here we go again...those f##kers!
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 01:45 AM
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3. Legislation introduced.

WASHINGTON -- The U.S. Congress has decided to support efforts to overthrow the Islamic regime in Iran.

A bill has been introduced in the Senate that would support the opposition in Iran. The legislation, termed the Iran Freedom and Support Act, would require that the United States work to ensure a referendum in Iran on the type of regime sought by the people.

The legislation was introduced by Sen. Rick Santorum, a Pennsylvania Republican and a member of the GOP leadership in the Senate. Santorum has served as chairman of the Republican Conference and the third-ranking member of the Senate Republican leadership.
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Blaze Diem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 02:16 AM
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19. Why the REAL ID and Airport x-ray scans suddenly became law..
This has been in the making for awhile. They planned this behind closed doors like they did with Iraq.
With new tighter security laws in place, Santorum volunteered to "introduce" the regimes latest preplanned scam to the American people. We will all be watched closer now because they know shit is going to hit once they bring this to light.
Was the latest incident of a plane flying into protected airspace in D.C. just a "fire drill" for what's about to happen when their plans for Iran are anounced by Santorum?
Cheney's wisked away under heavy guard, Laur's in the bunker..but no threat to george..
Fuck, they've planned for Iran for a long time..no matter what the consequences are to American Soil.
Atrocities of Iraq will be shoved aside by news this latest move towards Iran.

May the "Rapture" that Bush dominionist freaks long for, proove to be the biggest lie of all.
Those who supported this regime should feel the same fear that "Shock & Awe" caused the innocents of Bush's New World Order to experience.

Now Iran.
Can America actually support this insanity again?
May the REAL God help all the innocent victims of Bush's greed.
I'll be waiting for some sign of Divine Intervention.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 07:42 AM
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36. quite the misleading headline, huh?
I didn't know that one radical Senator introducing a bill is the same as "Congress has decided to support". You'd think they might wait until it's voted on by the Congress to say something like that.

Don't you love the Orwell speak! "Iran Freedom and Support Act"
Just like "Operation Iraq Freedom" - we all know what that REALLY means.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 11:14 AM
Response to Reply #36
56. On top of being misleading the draft would have to happen for any
type of Invasion of Iran.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 12:49 AM
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70. Nope, not if they let Israel do it - it's all planned out and called
"Operation Daniel." Ariel Sharon was in Crawford talking to Bush about it in mid-April.

And pre-emptive nuclear strikes have been discussed for some time.

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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 01:50 AM
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4. That's just great .......
Edited on Wed May-18-05 01:55 AM by doublethink
Looks like it was placed on this websites main page just today the 17th, so ...... shit, Santorum the culprit puts this bill before the house as the Nuclear Option is going to be pulled. Bet you anything if this Nuclear Option goes through it won't just be used to place stupid judges on the bench but they will use it to take us to war against Iran too, get Bush his Social Security Heist, and whatever else the fuhrer wants. Shit. Gotta keep speaking the truth to power, bring Bush poll numbers down, and eventually protest in the streets. Peace, and thanks for the link.
On edit ... nominated ..... this needs to get out there quick.
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 01:50 AM
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5. Either
the U$ of A drafts or uses tactical Nukes. Not good!
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DRoseDARs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 01:54 AM
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6. Lovely. n/t
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darkism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 01:57 AM
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7. Right on time.
Edited on Wed May-18-05 01:58 AM by darkism
Big fuckin' surprise. Who predicted that this would happen by June?


oh btw http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=%22iran%20freedom%20and%20support%20act%22&btnG=Google+Search
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 04:59 AM
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28. It would be Scott Ritter, I think.


He's one courageous, strong American.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 01:57 AM
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8. Aw f*
fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck
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Carla in Ca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 01:58 AM
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9. I can't believe this is happening
There is no good time...but NOW? Why? Did you see that *ush has hit 50% disapproval today? Military already at a low point.
I just don't get it.
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anakie Donating Member (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 05:32 AM
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32. why now?
there are elections in Iran in mid June. Just setting in motion the old Iranian people were robbed and we must rectify the situation scenario. Bombing Iran to save them.
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 02:00 AM
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10. Israel will take the lead, methinks.
Ill-timed PNAC over-reaching, that will bring a world of hurt to both the U.S. and Israel.

World pariahs, joined at the hip, forevermore.
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Tux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 02:03 AM
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11. Sheesh
War after war and not finishing any of them. Can you sing "D.R.A.F.T."?

http://www.atomfilms.com/af/content/draft
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Merlin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 02:05 AM
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12. This is a BullShit Headline and a questionable "News" source.
Please do not post this kind of garbage.

The headline does not in any way reflect the substance of the "News" content.

In order to get further details, you have to email the editor.

I hardly think it's "News" that Sanctorectum would introduce all manner of absurd proposals, but that does not mean the "US CONGRESS" has done anything.
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 02:09 AM
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14. Thank you, Merlin . . .
it never ceases to amaze me how riled people can become on the flimsiest of provocations . . .
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pissed_American Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 02:16 AM
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18. Sorry if not credible source....
I always look in kookland to see what is going on. I came on this as a first post headline and checked it out. Everyone of the Freepers seemed pretty happy....... sitting at their desks.... not enlisted.... not going to enlist..... calling you names.


I think I`m gonna puke.... :puke:


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1405381/posts
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 02:22 AM
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20. "The bum's rush to war."
Volume four, Issue 19 | May 12 - 18, 2005
One controversial feature of the earlier Iraq Liberation Act was the indirect use of U.S. funds to plant stories in the media. The Iraqi National Congress, the exiled opposition to Saddam Hussein, hired a top-flight public relations firm, Burson-Marsteller, and the account was assigned to the firm’s London office. The Columbia Journalism Review, in a summer 2004 story, quoted Helen Kennedy, a New York Daily News reporter, as saying that “the really damaging stories all came from those guys, not the CIA.” Burson-Marsteller achieved placement of 108 stories in which the exiles told reporters that Iraq had ties to international terrorism and possessed weapons of mass destruction.

The ultimate source of these funds that paid for Burson-Marsteller’s work was the U.S. government.

The “Iran Freedom Support Act,” according to the article in GQ, will fund Iranian political exiles including Reza Pahlavi, whose father was the shah ousted by Ayatollah Khomeini in 1979. Pahlavi has a surprising ally in Hussein Kohmeini, the late ayatollah’s grandson, who changed sides, and in a talk before the American Enterprise Institute said Iranians are tired of “deprivation and suppression.”

Just as they did in Iraq, the neo-con hawks believe the existing government has little popular support and Iranians will welcome a regime change.
http://www.gaycitynews.com/gcn_419/oniranthetimefor.html

May 16, 2005
By July, as the British officials reported, the decision to invade (Iraq) was already in the bag. The only real questions -- other than those involving war planning -- were how to organize the intelligence in such a way as to promote the war to come and how to finesse Congress (and the UN). While people often speak of the "road to war," in the case of the invasion of Iraq, as this document makes clear, a more accurate phrase might be "the bum's rush to war."
http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2005/05/british_smoking_gun.html
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 02:28 AM
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22. I respectfully disagree with your argument ......
Edited on Wed May-18-05 02:32 AM by doublethink
just goggle Santorum Regime Change Bill, it goes back to another bill he introduced last year, and been working on this one since Feb of this year. So now it goes to Congress, whom the Repubs control, Nuclear Option in the Senate anyone? And to quote John Bolton "Real Men Go To Tehran" .... google that too. When is his conformation? And June is right around the corner. Then again maybe this is all just a coincedence. Why don't we just sit back wait and see before letting anyone in on what ducks are lined up. Peace. :) on edit: now will one more poster please nominate this so we can start our counter-offensive. :)
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4dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 06:13 AM
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33. A quick google search
brings up much information concerning this issue.. Its not bogas by any means..

http://www.globalpolicy.org/empire/intervention/iran/general/2005/0422tehranopposes.htm

The Iran Freedom Support Act (HR 282) defines its purpose as, "To hold the current regime in Iran accountable for its threatening behavior and to support a transition to democracy in Iran." The legislation calls on the White House to support pro-democracy forces that oppose the Iranian regime.

The legislation is supported by 140 members of the House of Representatives and is stricter in some ways than the Iran-Libya Sanctions Act of 1996. The bill calls for mandatory sanctions for those who help Iran's pursuit of weapons of mass destruction,
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Merlin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 08:35 AM
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41. It may have supporters. But it has NOT been passed by Congress.
So the headline is bullshit.
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Merlin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 08:41 AM
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44. How can you disagree with the truth? The bill is still just a BILL.
It's not a law. It has NOT been passed by Congress, although the headline of this flawed piece of "journalism" screams out that it has been.

It's a chicken-little, alarmist piece written by somebody who is in no way, shape or form a journalist.

It is an insult to DU which prides itself in accurate LBN pieces.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 10:18 AM
Response to Reply #44
52. i'm sure there are no plans on the desk of the president..
fool me once...
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Merlin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 12:10 PM
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60. That's not the godam point. The Headline is a fucking LIE.
Of course Bush plans to go into Iraq. I know that. You know that. The whole world knows that.

But the fact of the matter is this headline is a lie, and that makes the article unfit to appear on DU. It is not true journalism.

When we lose our integrity like they have lost theirs, I for one will go missing.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 05:01 AM
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29. Can you doubt that this is a first salvo?
There may not be movement on this particular legislation, but Santorum is "in the loop" for the PNAC planners and it's important to watch what he does. He may be testing the waters to see if the opposition notices, or reacts. After everything that's transpired I don't think we can afford to to give short shrift to anything they do regarding Iran.
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Merlin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 08:37 AM
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42. That's not the point. The point is we must speak accurately. Otherwise...
we're no better than they are, and we bring discredit upon all of us.

This is an outrageously false, alarmist headline. No decent news organization--not even the Washington Times--would print such a misleading story without severe criticism.
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 12:21 PM
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61. Flawed headline I'll give you that .....
But I don't believe the DU is only a place to gather my news. It's a site of Activist Progressives who discuss such things as this and attempt to enlighten the world around us on 'the truth' of what's going on in the real world. Sometimes we have to read 'between the lines' because our Government isn't going to tell us their true intentions. I don't care to be 'better than they are', what I don't want is my nephew being drafted and going to another illegal war, brought about by ignoring such stories as the one that began this thread. I do thank you for your insight on the headline, but asking the OP to not post such things sounds like what the Bush administration is asking Newsweek to do. And again I don't believe the DU is a place for only Journalism Pulitzer Prize nominees. The story is 'skewed' it seems to soften up the American public, but rather than use so much energy on the "Headline" maybe it would be wiser to figure out why it's being put out there now? Peace my friend, we're on the same side. :)
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ConfuZed Donating Member (856 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 02:09 AM
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13. I hope we don't find any democrats supporting this!
:mad:
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enid602 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 02:11 AM
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15. Iran
Will be interesting to see how the BRIC (Brazil, Russia, China and India) alliance reacts. It won't just be us vs a weaker power this time. Expect a possible mutual defense pact from BRIC.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 02:12 AM
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16. I'll bet that potatohead moron NV Congressman Jim Gibbons
was right in the middle of this, doing Karl Rove's bidding after his meeting with him in Vegas in April. fucking bastards.
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 02:15 AM
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17. If any Dems support this shit... I am going GREEN party!!!
I can no longer support someone who vote for this shit! I've had enought of this.:wtf:
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belab13 Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 02:28 AM
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21. ditto
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 03:00 AM
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23. So, if a Dem supports this, you'll support Republicans...
I can't tell you how smart that is, science not having achieved measurments that small.
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Born Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 03:32 AM
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25. your logic is flawed
It's fun to play with words. If you continue to support unwanted behavior you encourage more of the same. It's much like telling a slasher not to slash the next victim so deep.
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 08:46 AM
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45. No, sadly it isn't my illogic, it would still support Republicans.
Our voting system sadly does not allow instant runoff voting. If it did, I would vote Green with a Dem secondary and none for a RepubliCON.

Maddeningly now, voting Green supports the unwanted behaviour of RepubliCONs, which is lives, fortunes, and environments worse.

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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 11:09 AM
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54. I'd said... I'm supporting GREEN party! Green is no Republicans!
Edited on Wed May-18-05 11:11 AM by Rainscents
Also, when you have wave of people turning tie against Dems and going to Green, this will send strong message to Dems!
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 03:06 AM
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24. How do they mean the US Congress has decided?
Has this bill already went before them? If it has I wasn't aware of it.

This is not a new bill. It was in the news back in Feb when Santorum introduced it. It's one of the many things that they decided to dream up to put the squeeze on Iran and get some press time to say how evil Iran is.

Here's a link from back then.

It clearly shows the spin they are putting on this and you get a feel for what what their plans are. :puke:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42803

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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 04:40 AM
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26. repugs need a war
to prop up their positions for the mid-terms....

the question: Will the American People fall for another pack of lies?

answer: probably
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 04:54 AM
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27. NOW is the time to mediablast!
Before Bolton gets to the UN to start the "Iran isn't doing what the UN wants" crap!! If we want the light to shine on "Empire: Chapter 3" it's time to pester the press, NOW.

Since they're doing the same thing they did to cheat us into Iraq, it should be easier. The problem is that we have to get Republicans to recognize the danger of letting this runaway administration get their ducks in a row.
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ausiedownunderground Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 05:11 AM
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30. Nuclear or not the US armed forces won't win by escalating!
If some sort of "Dr Strangelove" American general has convinced "The Bush Gang" that US forces can take out Iran on top of Iraq, then you American's are in deep deep doggy do! The Iranians have been preparing for war for quite some time. What the Shiites in Iraq do to US forces hiding in their garrisson's nobody knows, but i'm predicting it won't be pretty!! I'm sure some US forces will end up ABU GHRAIBED! How will US troops retreat? There are no easy escape routes. Iraq is landlocked from Israel! It could be extremely bloody! Expect many US troops to die!
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Tesla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 05:27 AM
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31. We are short on recruitment now!

How are we going to support another war??

Let me guess, Haliburton got the contracts for this one.

Let's get all the NASCAR fans, put them in their mobile homes,tanks, trucks, and hum-v's,Haliburton and other sponsors decals (and confederate flags) on them, with #8 on the side, have them bring their stash of weapons from home.

That's at least a couple million there!!!
Think of the ammo!
Think of the hatred!!
We could win!!

Not being mean,I know what I'm talking about, I like NASCAR and have been to the races!!
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seemunkee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 06:13 AM
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34. Bill number
Senate S.333
Introduced by Santorum
19 Co-signers

House H.R. 282
Introduced by Rep Ros-Lehtinen, Ileana
225 Co-sponsors
That Bastard of a rep of mine is one of them. Wynn
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 07:37 AM
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35. no way - no friggin' way.
I am ill.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 07:58 AM
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37. Yuck.
:puke:
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 08:23 AM
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38. This explains the "realignment" of our U.S. military bases
Close and reduce at home, expand in the Middle East.

Don't believe for a second that it has anything to do with saving money.
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 10:58 AM
Response to Reply #38
53. Bingo
:)
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 08:31 AM
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39. Previous Info from Kos -
Santorum Bill: Democracy in Iran
by georgia10
Thu Mar 3rd, 2005 at 13:39:24 PDT

Our favorite Senator, Rick Santorum has introduced a bill in the Senate called the "Iran Freedom and Support Act of 2005". (S.333)
It's purpose: "A bill to hold the current regime in Iran accountable for its threatening behavior and to support a transition to democracy in Iran"


http://georgia10.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/3/3/163924/9837
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 08:34 AM
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40. The euphamistic title: Iran Freedom and Support Act of 2005
Should be: Let's Make Iran a Fucking Nightmare Act!
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 10:02 AM
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50. we are basically following the PNAC script here , right?
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Daphne08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 02:15 PM
Response to Reply #40
67. Like so much else coming out of Washington these days...
Clear Skies Initiative
Patriot Act
Healthy Forests Initiative
etc., etc., etc.


-------
from: 1984 by George Orwell

WAR IS PEACE

FREEDOM IS SLAVERY

IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH



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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 08:40 AM
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43. Did anybody really believe that latest $50B voted on
was gonna be used in Iraq?
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underthedome Donating Member (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 09:15 AM
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47. Yes.
...
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 09:50 AM
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48. U.S. Gone mad!
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 09:57 AM
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49. Couple this with "Bush, Frist split on judges"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1481581

And we're repeating history...just 3 years after the last mistake.


Pure ideology, folks. They're running on pure ideology.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 10:12 AM
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51. This is an example of shoddy journalsim at it worst
WASHINGTON -- The U.S. Congress has decided to support efforts to overthrow the Islamic regime in Iran.

Congress has decided? Yet it doesn't state when either chamber of Congress voted on this.

A bill has been introduced in the Senate that would support the opposition in Iran. The legislation, termed the Iran Freedom and Support Act, would require that the United States work to ensure a referendum in Iran on the type of regime sought by the people.

The legislation was introduced by Sen. Rick Santorum, a Pennsylvania Republican and a member of the GOP leadership in the Senate. Santorum has served as chairman of the Republican Conference and the third-ranking member of the Senate Republican leadership.

The bill in question S. 333 was introduced in February and has never even been even gotten a committee hearing. No wonder the clown that wrote this wouldn't even attach his name to the article.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 11:11 AM
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55. Wait a damn minute here, folks. Please think.
Edited on Wed May-18-05 11:22 AM by Stand and Fight
Who says that this is a reputable news source? It seems that something like this would even hit the radar of the corporate media. From the misleading headline to the lack of content, this sounds like a complete ruse. Middle East NewsLine? Who the hell are these guys? I've never heard of them before, and I'd urge people to not get themselves all worked up over this issue. I'd urge people to be mindful and adhere strictly to their baser instincts, because something about this "story" is seriously lacking. Yes, I know that Sen. Rick Santorum has introduced just such a bill, but this really seems to be more an alarmist aim than anything. I do feel that they've begun to beat the drums of war -- what with Fox's special last weekend and all -- but we have to be very cautious in how we proceed. Let's do some more organized research on this issue, and if it seems that the neo-con dogs are indeed cooking up something we need to start beating the drums of peace. We cannot -- I repeat, CANNOT -- prevail in Iran. We have to do our part to stop this madness, but not at the expense of our wits.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 11:52 AM
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58. I would agree except there is in fact a bill that has been introduced
that will allow the US to do to Iran what it did to Iraq.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 12:27 PM
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62. Re-read what I wrote.
I specifically talk about the bill that he introduced.
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Zerex71 Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 11:21 AM
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57. Don't be surprised -- it's almost June.
Bombing starts next month.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 11:59 AM
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59. Just because Santorum (a nutcase) introduces the bill
doesn't mean anything will happen with it.

I'm not jumping on this yet.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 12:53 PM
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63. Feeling like a true fool here
Boy. What left is there to say.

One wonders why east/west coast military bases are being ousted.

Here ya go: The Act w/words like Weapons of Mass Destruction
http://www.theorator.com/bills109/s333.html


And HEADS-UP
snip
Senate Committee to Review Controversial Patriot Act Legislation in Secret; Draft Legislation Hidden from Public

May 17, 2005

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact: Media@dcaclu.org

WASHINGTON – The Senate Intelligence Committee announced today that it is rushing forward with a markup of Patriot Act reauthorization legislation Thursday, but that the session will be behind closed doors.

Some of the most extreme parts of the Patriot Act are set to sunset, or expire, at the end of this year unless Congress reauthorizes them. When lawmakers passed the Patriot Act just 45 days after 9/11, they included these sunsets because they knew that some provisions shouldn’t be made permanent. The committee will be reviewing legislation involving the sunsets and other key parts of the Patriot Act that impact civil liberties.

Read More:
http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=18256&c=206
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 01:08 PM
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64. Okie Dokie .....
this from the bottom article you posted here ......

Members of Congress have until the end of the year to review and modify the Patriot Act, but some lawmakers hope to steamroll the entire process through Congress in the next few weeks. -snip-

I remember getting an E mail from Kerry about 2 weeks ago dealing with the nuclear option, which ended with the words 'things are going to begin to happen very fast now' or something rather ..... :wtf: Peace.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 01:46 PM
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66. Let's move Argentina time forward. 2040 is too far away
for a total economic meltdown. The sooner the better. :sarcasm:
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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 02:20 PM
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68. No need to feel foolish: I think that where's there's smoke/ there's fire:
This reminds me of Jones' bill re: allowing churches to talk politics but not lose their 501c3 status. There were lots of people signed on...over 250 Congressional reps . I think it only was stopped because the Southern Baptists saw how they would actually lose if the matter played out.

I think the story is similar here, perhaps.

Some legislative experts around?
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 07:30 AM
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73. Except there was 'smoke' in Iran last October
Edited on Fri May-20-05 07:30 AM by Freddie Stubbs
A BUSH PRE-ELECTION STRIKE ON IRAN:
WHITE HOUSE INSIDERS REPORT "OCTOBER SURPRISE" IMMINENT

According to White House and Washington Beltway insiders, the Bush administration, worried that it could lose the presidential election to Senator John F. Kerry, has initiated plans to launch a military strike on Iran's top Islamic leadership, its nuclear reactor at Bushehr on the Persian Gulf, and key nuclear targets throughout the country, including the main underground research site at Natanz in central Iran and another in Isfahan. Targets of the planned U.S. attack reportedly include mosques in Tehran, Qom, and Isfahan known by the U.S. to headquarter Iran's top mullahs.

The Iran attack plan was reportedly drawn up after internal polling indicated that if the Bush administration launched a so-called anti-terrorist attack on Iran some two weeks before the election, Bush would be assured of a landslide win against Kerry. Reports of a pre-emptive strike on Iran come amid concerns by a number of political observers that the Bush administration would concoct an "October Surprise" to influence the outcome of the presidential election.

more: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0410/S00276.htm

This 'smoke' did not produce any fire.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 12:47 AM
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69. They're doing everything they can to promote the next war.
I recommend reading through this thread, including the replies, if you haven't already done so. This is all orchestrated.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1768708
Thread title: "Is anyone watching Jerome Corsi saying Iran planning to nuclear-bomb {the US, presumably New York?}"
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 12:53 AM
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71. If we attack Iran, we will lose the Shias of Iraq for good
Edited on Thu May-19-05 12:53 AM by IndianaGreen
so in a way, I hope we attack Iran for that will bring about the defeat of Bush's imperial army and an end to the war. By the time our defeated and demoralized troops return home, they will turn on the men responsible for this war and, like the Russian army in 1917, overthrow the American Tsar.
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 02:13 AM
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72. Bush said Iran in June and it looks like he's going to go for it.
Maybe all this bullshit about judges and asshole appointees is just to keep us off focus. I mean, I KNOW WE WILL Suffer because of those things, but this is another strike out into the World in the NAME of the United States of America.

Damm this administration! God, I hope they rot in Hell.

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plasticsundance Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 07:55 AM
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74. They're going to attack Iran
Edited on Fri May-20-05 07:56 AM by plasticsundance
Russia is going to ship nuclear materials to Iran by June, and it's not just a coincidence that they're preparing Bolton for the UN. He's the one that said "real men attack Iran." or some such bullshit.

Things are getting intense and tense. Here's some googling news on the topic as it relates to Russia.

http://news.google.com/news?q=iran+russia+nuclear&hl=en&lr=&client=REAL-tb&rls=RNWA,RNWA:2003-31,RNWA:en&sa=N&tab=nn&oi=newsr

Both Houses of Congress will walk lock step with the Administration ... as always.
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viva la resistance Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 08:01 AM
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75. Classic!
What color is the sky in their world? We've already pushed
things too far with the blunder in Iraq. Things will get real
hairy me thinks if we use force on Iran or one of the other
usual suspects. There's been enough deaths already. Chimp must
be keeping score and going for the record. 

Fight the power!
Peace and Respect!
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secretpoet Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 08:27 AM
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77. WAIT a second!
I just read through the "Iran Freedom and Support Act of 2004", as printed on http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s108-2681, and I just have a couple questions:

Apparently the last action taken on this act was in July of last year - "Jul 15, 2004: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Foreign Relations." Why are we just now hearing about it?

And, I think this is a biggie - do you think they can really use this bill to push war in Iran when, from what I can tell, even though it wants regime change (that provision we should look after), it only appears to have the authority to give money to radio stations and the like. Am I just misreading this?



What about this section?

"Nothing in this Act shall be construed to authorize
or otherwise approve of the use of the Armed Forces of
the United States in carrying out activities under this Act."

I'm so confused.
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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 09:02 AM
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78. Who Would Benefit From a War With Iran?
Who would Benefit from a War with Iran?

The Iran Policy Committee: Consultants for War

by John Stanton

The Iran Policy Committee (IPC)   made the news in February of 2005 when it released a report titled:

 

“ US Options for Iran .” (www.iranpolicycommittee.org ).

 

In its report, the IPC recommended that a terrorist group known as the Mujahedin-e Khalq Organization (MEK) be removed from the US government’s hit list (See:  www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/fs/37191.htm ).

 

The authors of the IPC report had equated the terrorist MEK with the African National Congress (ANC) that fought long and hard against the all-white South African regime and its US supporters so many years ago. Of course, the implication here is that the MEK will somehow produce a Nelson Mandela, or at least is on the same playing field as Mandela’s ANC was.

 

Those two statements should be enough to dismiss the IPC, their mission and their report. Yet upon more careful examination, the record shows that the IPC operates in very close proximity to the US intelligence community, has the support of 150 members in the US Congress, and is linked to individuals/groups who successfully lied and led the US into another Vietnam-like war, and whose primary purpose is the creation of a US empire.

 

The IPC is supported by the Neocon all-stars that we’ve come to know and love such as Doug Feith, Frank Gaffney, Mike Ledeen, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Don Rumsfeld, Condi Rice, et al. But these first benchers are running out of political muscle as their war in Iraq continues to drain the resources of the American people on all political, economic and military fronts.

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/STA505B.html
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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 09:06 AM
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79. Revealed: Israel Plans Strike on Iranian Nuclear Plant
Revealed: Israel plans strike on Iranian nuclear plant
www.globalresearch.ca 18 May 2005

The URL of this article is: http://globalresearch.ca/articles/MAH505A.html

Revealed: Israel plans strike on Iranian nuclear plant

Uzi Mahnaimi

The Times, 15 may 2005

ISRAEL has drawn up secret plans for a combined air and ground attack on targets in Iran if diplomacy fails to halt the Iranian nuclear programme. The inner cabinet of Ariel Sharon, the Israeli prime minister, gave “initial authorisation” for an attack at a private meeting last month on his ranch in the Negev desert.

Israeli forces have used a mock-up of Iran’s Natanz uranium enrichment plant in the desert to practise destroying it. Their tactics include raids by Israel’s elite Shaldag (Kingfisher) commando unit and airstrikes by F-15 jets from 69 Squadron, using bunker-busting bombs to penetrate underground facilities.

The plans have been discussed with American officials who are said to have indicated provisionally that they would not stand in Israel’s way if all international efforts to halt Iranian nuclear projects failed.

Tehran claims that its programme is designed for peaceful purposes but Israeli and American intelligence officials — who have met to share information in recent weeks — are convinced that it is intended to produce nuclear weapons.

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/MAH505B.html
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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 12:23 PM
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80. kick this
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Yoda Yada Donating Member (474 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 01:27 PM
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81. And from now on....

.......never, ever, ever..... refer to just "Congress" or the "US Congress". It must ALWAYS be referred to as the REPUBLIAN-CONTROLLED Congress. That way, no matter what mistakes, blunders, or catastrophes occur......the REPUBLICAN name will always be in front of it.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 02:13 PM
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82. Well High School graduations are happening all over
the country.
Might as well get the fodder now before they start college.:(
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