Daughter enraged him, suspect says

[XemaSab]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0505120089may12,1,6508714.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed

Jerry Branton Hobbs III told police he became enraged when his 8-year-old daughter defied his order to come home, then killed the girl and her best friend with a small knife before dragging their bodies into the woods, prosecutors said Wednesday.

"Laura had 20 stab wounds. She was stabbed in the neck, she was stabbed in the abdomen, she was stabbed once in each eye," Pavletic said, adding that Krystal was stabbed 11 times.

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Hobbs arrived in Zion last month after serving about 18 months in a Texas prison for violating probation on an assault conviction. That incident began with him confronting Hollabaugh, with whom he has three children, and ended with him chasing bystanders in a Wichita Falls mobile home park with a chain saw.

[NNN0LHI]

1. The spankings must not have worked?

:eyes:

[MrModerate]

2. I can't even joke about this.

Too sad. Too unfair.

[NNN0LHI]

3. I ain't joking. He was a wife beater too n/t

[funkybutt]

4. This is a very sad situation!

maybe over those 18 months when he was away, the child learned about what a piece of shit her father was. I can't imagine why she wouldnt have respect for him *sarcasm*. I just think it's such a shame that the mother allowed him to return to the home. Did the mother know that he was going to find his daughter and that he was angry that the child was late? It sounds to me like someone may have told her that she didn't have to obey him.

[kath]

37. yeah, what a shit-fer-brains that mom must be to allow that POS back into

her home. sheesh. How fuckin stoopid must she be???

Perhaps the other two kids should be taken away from her. The next man she takes up with is likely to be a scumbag too. And kids are at even higher risk from a scumbag stepdad ( or mom's scumbag lover) than a scumbag bio-dad

[fob]

5. GODDAMN IT! There may not be any future Jerry Branton Hobbs III

types who read DU but if there are, I have a suggestion for you. The next time your 8 YO daughter ENRAGES you, IF you feel you MUST KILL, and are unable or unwilling to get medical/mental help, please kill yourself FIRST, then worry about what her punishment should be.

[XemaSab]

8. This man is obviously

a complete sociopath.

He said that he was chasing his neighbors around with a running chainsaw IN SELF DEFENSE. Oh, sorry buddy, I didn't realize that you're the victim here.

Similarly, he said his daughter's friend pulled a knife on him. Oh, gee, you just killed two 60 lb 8 year olds IN SELF DEFENSE. Oh, sorry buddy, I didn't realize that you're the victim here.

Classic sociopath behavior: I'M really the VICTIM here.

[MountainLaurel]

21. Typical abuser behavior

They're never responsible for anything; it's always the other person's fault. Often in DV cases, the abuser will file counter charges against the victim. It's all about maintaining control.

[indepat]

6. No way Hobbs will ever get a punishment as extreme as he dished out

[americanstranger]

13. Depends on where they send him.

I wouldn't be surprised if once he's put back in prison, some inmate does a Dahmer on him, if you know what I'm sayin'.

Lots of inmates, no matter what they've done, still like kids - and don't like other inmates who harm kids.

I'll give him a year inside before they find him stuck with a shiv.

-as

[indepat]

18. Remember the Dahmer incident, so know exactly what you are saying

[hatrack]

7. Oh, he was "enraged"? This is supposed to justify a double homicide?

Yeah, I'd say that 31 stab wounds, including one in each eye pretty much says "enraged".

Fucking unbelievable. This is just too sad for words.

[BrklynLiberal]

9. How sad for everyone involved that it took this horrifying act for this

man to finally get the punishment he deserves, instead of his family getting the help they needed.

[Richard Steele]

10. Sadly, there will be no punishment...

...for the MOTHER who welcomed this twisted piece of human garbage back into her daughters life.

Everyone KNEW this guy was violently insane...everyone.

Moral culpability for EVERYONE involved.

[MountainLaurel]

22. Gonna have to agree

Whether or not she "loved Jerry," she should never have allowed him within 5 feet of her children. I think she should face criminal charges for deliberately putting her kids in harm's way.

[philosophie_en_rose]

46. the mother is not to blame.

Would it have made any difference if this man were not in the home? Would he not have shown up to teach his daughter "a lesson"? He would have killed, regardless of the mother's choice. It had nothing to do with this man's homicidal behavior.

Battered women are often - rightly - afraid that to not comply with the batterer will cause death. It's a catch-22 for victims. The most dangerous times for victims are when they leave and the abuser feels that control is diminishing.

Listen to the jerk. He killed his own daughter, because he didn't think he had enough control over her.

It's too easy to blame the mother, when clearly this man is the one who made the choice to kill. Maybe the mother shouldn't have thought that prison would teach him anything. Maybe she shouldn't have been so afraid or maybe she wasn't afraid enough. Maybe she should have hidden. Maybe it's society's fault for not rehabilitating the monster. Maybe the local police should have had more patrols. Maybe this wouldn't have happened if the courts took domestic violence more seriously and sent him to prison for good.

But, in the end, it's one person's fault that two girls are dead. The killer's.

[rinsd]

11. "she was stabbed once in each eye"

What a seriously deranged piece of garbage.

[Ripley]

12. Sick ugly shit.

He should have been locked in a padded room years ago.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

15. No we can't do that..

It's more important that we lock up everyone with a dimebag for ever and let scumbags like these loose.

[kath]

38. Oh, yes, and if the cops find a marijuana seed in your car, in one of

their warrantless searches, you should spend DECADES behind bars. It's only fair.


("search warrant"?? What's that? -- an obsolete or quaint concept (just like the Geneva Conventions) in Bush's Murka.)

[geniph]

14. Ya know, a couple of people really pissed me off at work yesterday,

but for some reason, it never occurred to me to chase them around with chainsaws or hack them to bits with knives. I just went back to my office, fumed a bit, and dealt with the situation in a somewhat less barbaric manner. If that's considered any kind of logical reason for anything, then I should be allowed to use flamethrowers on people who argue with me. We won't mention ramifications for those who commit political atrocities.

[oddmanout]

16. Disgusting piece of human filth!

I hope he can smell his skin cook in hell for all eternity!



:nuke:


:dem:

[LiberallyInclined]

17. this is one of the reasons i chose not to have children-

growing up, i saw in my father what rage could do, and i honestly feared for my life on more than one occasion, and in a lot of ways feel lucky to have survived childhood. those who weren't hit with closed fists(when there wasn't 'time' to get the belt off) as a child may not understand what i'm talking about- but a little rage can go a long way, and one bad moment can fuck up the rest of your life- not to mention the horror for the helpless child. it wasn't the only factor in the decision to remain childless, but the fear of what a moment of uncontrollable rage can do is very motivating.

i'm not trying to come across as a monster, or a closeted rage-aholic- i'm a very gentle and rational person, and have never laid a hand on my wife in anger in the 15 years we've been together(not to say that there haven't been moments when it was very tempting:evilgrin:). I just realized early on that parenting wasn't for me...and that my own childhood had a lot to do with it.

and from what i've heard & read(for what it's worth)- people with unhappy childhoods don't usually make the best parents.

[rocktivity]

48. There was a pro football player who had such a rage-o-holic dad

that when he found out he was going to be a father, he started seeing a psychiatrist in hopes of ensuring that the sins of his father wasn't visited upon his own sons.

:headbang:
rocknation

[booksenkatz]

19. Society already knew he was a violent sociopath

after the chainsaw incident. Probably even before that. And yet society's laws say that he's perfectly fit to live among civilized human beings; society's laws say that a coupla years in jail somehow magically made his sick mind well and healthy; society's laws say that a coupla years in jail magically & suddenly made him see the value of human life. And so society set him free.

Time to change the laws, no?

[kath]

39. Nope, cuz we need to save lots of room in prison for all those evil

drug users.

[LiberallyInclined]

20. ALSO- I Have a BIG problem with how BIG a story this is in the news.

yes- it's horrific.
but it was the banner headline in the chicago tribune this morning-
and when it comes down to it, who does this story really impact outside of the families involved?

with all the shit that's going on as the lil' dictator drags our country and possibly the world down the toilet, the tragic murder of two little girls by one of their fathers amounts to not very much for the rest of us.

on edit- if anything, it will give texas more reasons to be a little bit tougher on crime.

[youspeakmylanguage]

24. Not to mention that most of these high-profile incidents...

...involve kids who are lily white. Crimes involving kids of other colors are reported in the back of the paper, in the local crime blotter.

[LiberallyInclined]

25. that's where the story of the two black girls killed by a hit-and-run...

driver is located in today's chicago tribune.

white girls killed in far northern suburb- Page 1 above the fold.
black girls killed in the city- Section 2

[youspeakmylanguage]

23. I've read ex-cons from maximum security prisons are impulsively violent...

...just to survive. Apparently the only way to survive and avoid sexual and other assaults is to react to any perceived insult or "insolence" with immediate violence and deadly. That or demand to stay in protective custody - 23 hour-a-day lockdown.

Not that this is an excuse, but it could serve as an explanation.

[LiberallyInclined]

26. if those are my choices- give me a book and lock the door.

i don't think i want to go to prison.

[XemaSab]

40. Exactly

Solitary sounds like a great chance to catch up on my reading.

[slackmaster]

27. Wasn't it impulsive violence that put them in prison to begin with?

At least in most cases.

[youspeakmylanguage]

28. I think the difference is...

...that while the violence that put them there may have been impulsive, it was abnormal and unacceptable to society at large. Once in maximum-security prison violence becomes the normal and acceptable (at least among the prison population) way of dealing with disrespectful behavior. It becomes second-nature for most violent cons to throw a fist or stab with a shank before even allowing a verbal altercation to escalate.

I work as a bouncer on the weekends. The guys that trade insults and buck chests are average joes. The quiet ones that immediately throw fists are usually the ex-cons.

[XemaSab]

30. Sounds like

he had a very long history of violence before he ever went to prison.

It's a chicken and the egg thing to some extent, but the dude went to prison because he assaulted his girlfriend, then when people came to her defense, he chased them around the trailer park with a running chainsaw. Finally they clocked him on the head with a shovel, and he went to prison.

(It's tragic what happened, but you just can't make that shit up. It was in Texas too.)

[youspeakmylanguage]

31. I'm not saying that the prison environment causes cons to be violent.

Just that they become more frequently violent with much less provocation.

[lies and propaganda]

29. They will kill him in prison

How the fuck could you stab anyone, anywhere but especially your daughters eyes?
And i was forced to live in Witchita Falls while in the AF, its a breeding ground for shit like this. top three worst place i have ever been.

[lateo]

32. Throw him to the lions...

What a piece of shit he is.

[leftofthedial]

33. sounds and looks like a real dittohead freeper-type guy.

[Piperay]

34. It seems like 18 months

was a very short time for chasing people with a chainsaw. :-(

[XemaSab]

35. It seems that

chasing people around with chainsaws is a commonplace activity in Texas.

[AngryAmish]

45. It is!

I heard a story about this family in Texas who would attack kids with chainsaws...

[anotherdrew]

42. at least he went to jail...

Friend of mine had an freak hit him in the back of the head with a baseball bat over a year ago. Messed him up a bit. This friend can't even get the cops to _DO_ _ANYTHING_ even though they were called to the crime. When they got there they treated the victem like he was possibly a criminal and did jack shit about the lunatic who swung the bat. Luckily there were some others there and it stoped at one swing... But I shit you not... this guy walks around free today, no charges, the victem can't seem to get the cops to do anything, nor can his private lawyer.

[katty]

36. Make this a real quick trial

[anotherdrew]

41. Sue texas prisons for cruel/inhuman conditions

This monster hobbs was dangerous before he went in, but from all I hear conditions in US prisons violate all concepts of decency. As far as I can tell everyone in there has to be in cosntant fear of death or maiming. At risk of rape constantly. If you wanted to design a system to turn people into killers, you'd wind up with a system much like our prisons. but...

This Hobbs creature... don't put him to death, yet... he can live in missery like the animal he is for a few decades first.

[progressivebydesign]

43. Sorry.. that guy was a killer regardless of where he was.

He ended up in prison for trying to kill neighbors with a running chain saw. I think he probably taught the people in prison a thing or two about being a murderous pig.

[anotherdrew]

44. yep, thats what I said too, but also...

but also this could be a chance to reform our prisons in some way. They aren't working AT ALL now. Something needs to actually happen about controling violent freaks who seem to be running loose everywhere. Just keeping him in jail longer wouldn't have done any good, had he been in a year longer, we'd be reading this same news a year from now. We need a frontier to send people like this to, I think thats how it's been handled in the past. At any rate we need to think of something to at least try or we can be sure we'll keep hearing about this forever, probably becoming more frequent consider the way this country is going economicly.

[Rex]

47. Another success story from the Prison Industrial Complex!

They say 500,000 people in prisons around the country are mentally disturbed - ya I would be too if someone was raping me in my jail cell every night. That's okay though, congress-critters make good money off convicts and contracts to prison builders. I hear they are building dozens of prisons in Iraq, bet it cost a nice chunk of change!

This guy was chasing people around with a CHAIN SAW! How the FUCK did he get past a parole board? They must have been high on crack to not see this man was "unfit for release" and needed to be placed in the local insane asylum.