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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 09:17 AM
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Iris Scanning To Begin At Orlando International Airport
Florida's busiest airport will begin using high-tech iris-scanning technology to filter out possible terrorists and add an additional layer of security, according to Local 6 News. People at Orlando International Airport will have both irises scanned at special computers to determine their identity.

"This will be an additional layer of information that is enrolled, which will be biometric information," OIA director of security Brigitte Rivera Goersch said. "Employees irises will be enrolled for the additional layer of security." The Airport Access Control Pilot Program or AACPP is a first of its kind, according to the report.

A person would be required to stand in front of a special mirror and have both eyes scanned. "It has to verify both irises, not just one iris," Goersch. "Statistically it is very reliable. Iris scanners -- the technology of iris scanning -- is considered one of the most reliable biometric technologies."

"You know just like we did with the airplanes with the cockpit doors and air marshals and all of that kind of stuff," federal security director Art Meinke said. It is just another step to try to figure out what can we do better." Local 6 News reported that the 90-day test could be expanded and eventually moved to airports throughout the nation.

http://www.local6.com/news/4479554/detail.html
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lakeguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 09:19 AM
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1. f'in SCARY!!!
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 02:03 PM
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33. In the 1983 James Bond movie Never Say Never Again,
a villain gains access to the United States' nuclear arsenal by foiling a presumably fail-safe passkey system -- a scan of the president's right eye. This, of course, left the dapper British secret agent to set things right and save the world.
http://www.sciencenews.org/pages/sn_arc98/4_4_98/bob1.htm

Leonard Flom, an ophthalmologist in Westport, Connecticut together with San Francisco ophthalmologist Aran Safir and John Daugman of Cambridge University in England, came up with this "bright idea."
The ophthalmologists read articles and combined forces in 1981 and added the computer scientist in 1987.

The REAL REASON they are pushing this crap is so as to get detailed head shots of anyone using an ATM.
The better to frame you later on.

The researchers eventually formed a company called IriScan in Mt. Laurel, N.J., which has licensed the technology to about 10 other groups, including the Japanese company that made the Olympic biathlon security system. Other companies want to develop iris scanning for automobile or Internet security, and even as a mass transit fare system.

Sensar in Moorestown, N.J., has incorporated iris scanning into ATMs. Eye scans ordinarily require a person to look directly into a camera and therefore can be intrusive. Sensar has combined the iris-scanning system with an advanced camera setup that can detect the customer's eye from 1 to 3 feet away. Sensar licensed the camera technology from Sarnoff Corp., in Princeton, N.J. which originally designed it for the military so that high-flying helicopters could take pictures of tanks on the ground.

As a customer walks up to an ATM, a system of three cameras identifies his or her torso, head, and eyes, then zooms in on the iris, says Michael Negin, Sensar's chief technology officer and vice president. One of the cameras takes several pictures, which are then divided into a gridlike pattern and translated into a bar code. The entire process takes only a few seconds.
http://www.sciencenews.org/pages/sn_arc98/4_4_98/bob1.htm

REAL ID. Right now.
Damn slaves, all of you.
They are preparing you ALL for minority rule.
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LiberallyInclined Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 09:21 AM
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2. I will NOT submit to public eye scans. NEVER.
Edited on Thu May-12-05 09:22 AM by LiberallyInclined
the very idea creeps me out.
possibly losing my sight to a communicable eye disease doesn't thrill me- i've had bouts of iritis several times, and twice i've had to get needle shots into my eyeball...it's NO fun.

on edit- btw- to my knowledge, iritis is not contagious- but other eye ailments are
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 09:26 AM
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4. The iris scan doesn't touch the eye
you cant get blinded or catch a disease. I'm sorry about your problem, but be reasonable
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LiberallyInclined Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 09:34 AM
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10. reasonable? eyes are very fragile, and sight is very precious...
i will not submit to eyescans not performed by a physician.

it's that simple.
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 10:34 AM
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22. yes, you know much more about the eyes than I, obviously
:eyes:

Sir, physicians dont even do iris scans now. There's no medical indication. Some technition with a high school degree touches a button and the machine does all the work.

Its this simple. Again, you cant be blinded and you cant catch any eye diseases.
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LiberallyInclined Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 11:04 AM
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23. yes it is simple- i refuse to submit to eye scans.
Edited on Thu May-12-05 11:05 AM by LiberallyInclined
if other sheeple are fine with it- more power to'em...i'm not "blindly' trusting technology where one of my favourite senses is concerned. :hi:

have a needle plunged into your eyeball a couple of times, and maybe you'd understand.
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:30 PM
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31. I can understand
You see "iris" and think "iritis" which is a very painful condition, I'm more than well aware of that. But technically, there is no such thing as iritis, its just a shorthand term for a condition. Yours most likely was an acute nongranulomatous(I do so hope, for your sake)anterior segment uveitis. Iritis is much easier to wrap the ears, tongue and mind around to be sure.

So if they said "uvea scan" than you'd have to worry, but dont 'cuz there's no such thing!

Look, iris scan technology is the wave of the future. You can object to it on civil liberty grounds, but if you start fussing about blindness and asking for doctors to do a test they've never done, you're gonna look foolish.

The FAA has the most stringent vision requirements of any agency on earth. And take it from me, pilots are twice as fussy of their eyes than you even. If they are using it, its safe.
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LiberallyInclined Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:39 PM
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32. I have ankylosing spondylitis
iritis, uveitis, whatever you want to call it, is just one part of it- the first bout i had my iris got stuck to my cornea and my eye wouldn't dilate properly- my pupil looked like a crescent moon- it was pretty freaky.

wave of the future or not- i will not be getting my eyes scanned outside of a doctor's office for ANY reason. and nobody can compell me too.
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Bonhomme Richard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 09:25 AM
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3. My question. What are they comparing it to?
Last time I looked there wasn't any national Iris database. Or is there? Should we all go get our eyes scanned?
Bullshit.
This country has really gone insane and the Founding fathers are rolling in their collective graves.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 09:30 AM
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6. LOL! you posted while I was composing my own similar post!
:)
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 09:30 AM
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5. but what do they compare them to?
I mean, is there a database of terrorist's iris scans somewhere? how did they get them?

this makes no sense as an anti-terrorist tool

HOWEVER, it makes perfect sense as a tool to control your own citizens and restrict their civil liberties.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 09:38 AM
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12. My very first thought!
This is the airport I use most often. Guess I won't be flying anywhere any time soon. I'll be damned if I'm going to submit to an iris scan. It's beyond preposterous!
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 09:32 AM
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7. hmmmmm, if i remember right
this was one of the plot devices in the movie "barbed wire". i think it revolved around getting out of the usa with fake iris`s to get by the border scanners...
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Crowdance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 09:33 AM
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8. How does the scan work?
Does it project light into/onto the eye? I suffer from migraines, which can be triggered by bright or flashing light. I know someone whose epileptic seizures can be triggered by same. Should I stop flying into Orlando airport in order to avoid illness?
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 09:42 AM
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15. I wondered that too.
I'm easily triggered into a migraine as well.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 09:34 AM
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9. Scan this one.
Edited on Thu May-12-05 09:34 AM by TahitiNut
It's aptly called "Sky Fire."


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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 09:35 AM
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11. They are already using this at the St. Pete.\Clearwater airport.......
They have had it for way over a year. Maybe even two. They use it at the Clearwater courthouse too.
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 11:59 AM
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28. Brother Bush is mainly to blame.
The only reason we live here is because of the homestead laws so we can have a home. I have lupus and can not afford to get treated. If I lived in most other states they would've taken my families home do to the fact that I cannot pay all of my medical bills. Sucks, huh?
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LiberallyInclined Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:15 PM
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29. I have AS...but i'm covered.
i started on medicare at age 38.
we keep all our property in my wife's name.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 09:39 AM
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13. Iris scanning has been available at Charlotte for years.
Crew members in uniform can bypass security lines by passing through the iris scanner.

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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 09:48 AM
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16. What are they comparing the scans to?
Edited on Thu May-12-05 09:48 AM by truebrit71
They have no iris info on me so how could they possibly KNOW it's me?

This is one more step down the slippery slope folks....

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hecate77 Donating Member (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 11:35 AM
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25. Voting record.....
If you be a Democrat, you be a terrorist, no?
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finecraft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 09:56 AM
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17. Just great. I'm flying into Orlando Saturday
when is this crap going to start? I'm really irritated that now I will have a scan of my irises on file somewhere, that anyone for any reason could use at anytime to do anything they want. Think I could use my iris scans as one of the 4 forms of identification I'll need to renew my stinking drivers license, Oops!I mean my "Real ID"?
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LibInternationalist Donating Member (861 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 09:57 AM
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18. I understand the concern
but the way I read this, it's only employees' irises that will be scanned, and therefore it isn't so much of a civil liberties violation
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 10:02 AM
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19. If you don't think...
this is the first step towards iris scans for all travelers, you haven't been paying attention.
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LibInternationalist Donating Member (861 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 10:29 AM
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21. I don't know about that...
I think that using iris scans to verify identity of airport employees is reasonable, and if it can be reliably done, a good idea -- I do think that this is a first step as far as gaining acceptance for the technology, but scanning passengers should be an entirely different issue. Scanning employees? Fine. Scanning passengers? Not fine at all -- make sure they don't have weapons and keep them in well-monitored areas where weapons aren't allowed.

I don't dispute that there are severe issues concerning civil liberties at hand, but I don't think going full-bore against this prima facie reasonable use of iris-scanning is a good approach. The existence of a National ID card (which would be necessary for iris-scanning to work at all) is a far greater threat.

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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 11:54 AM
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26. YES !
I am surprised at how cavalier people are about the creeping invasions of privacy. If I recall correctly, iris scans are specifically mentioned as a potential biometric identifier under REAL ID.

It's not just the government keen on using this. Anyone unclear on what a gold mine iris scanning could be for private companies should rent "The Majority Report."
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doodadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 10:11 AM
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20. It's going to get to where I can't fly
Edited on Thu May-12-05 10:12 AM by doodadem
I have aging, elderly parents back east, and flying has already gotten bad enough to where I only go back a couple times a year. Under this "Real I.D." act, the states that don't implement it, their citizens will not be allowed to fly 3 years from now. Although I'm thinking that's going to be struck down in the courts (well...the legitimate courts anyway).
Iris scans?! Totally scary, totally Orwellian.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 11:13 AM
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24. Green or blue, just go on through, but if they happen to be brown...
y'all better sit down.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 11:57 AM
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27. All those UK people who fly charters into Orlando
are going to "luv" that. :sarcasm:
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:27 PM
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30. This is the most bogus deal yet.
"the technology of iris scanning -- is considered one of the most reliable biometric technologies."

Right, and chimp says oil will be $25 again, just as soon as oil production is increased.


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FrankieBud Donating Member (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 05:25 PM
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34. Iris Scanning(on Drudge)
ORLANDO, Fla. -- Florida's busiest airport will begin using high-tech iris-scanning technology to filter out possible terrorists and add an additional layer of security, according to Local 6 News.

Workers and other people at Orlando International Airport will have both irises scanned at special computers to determine their identity.

"This will be an additional layer of information that is enrolled, which will be biometric information," OIA director of security Brigitte Rivera Goersch said. "Employees irises will be enrolled for the additional layer of security."

http://www.local6.com/news/4479554/detail.html
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 05:25 PM
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35. Dupe
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LosinIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 05:25 PM
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36. God, I'm losing it. I thought "Who's this Iris Scanning??"
never heard of her
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 05:25 PM
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37. For iris scanning to "filter out possible terrorists" wouldn't the irises
of said terrorists have to be already on file?
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 08:10 AM
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38. Okay, really POORLY written article.
From what I understand the system is designed to control access to security-restricted areas. The people with access to such areas will have their iris/biometric readings in a database which grants access. If your scan does not match one of the approved readings than you are not permitted access to the restricted area.

I have no idea how, when or if this could be extended to passenger screening, but for the present purpose I actually do not have a problem with it.

Unless a terrorist watches cheesy Hollywood movies, murders a security-cleared employee and carves out the eyeball to hold up to the scanner. Oh wait, wasn't that on an episode of Alias?

Channel 6 should be on the receiving end of a major lashing for publishing such a misleading by ommission web article. Nowhere do they eliminate passengers as being subject to the iris scan.
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