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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 07:28 AM
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Arrest warrants issued in alleged voter fraud case
BY DERRICK NUNNALLY AND GREG J. BOROWSKI

Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

MILWAUKEE - (KRT) - Two arrest warrants were issued Wednesday for alleged election fraud by two voter-registration workers employed last year to sign up new voters.

According to warrants filed by the Milwaukee County District Attorney's office, Urelene Lilly, 48, and Marcus L. Lewis, 23, both admitted to authorities that they filled out multiple voter-registration cards using fictitious information to earn money from Project Vote, which paid workers like them $40 per day plus $1.75 for each registration above the daily quota of 24 new voters.

Project Vote registered about 40,800 names in Milwaukee County alone, according to a national spokesman.

District Attorney E. Michael McCann would not say when or if more information on other allegations of voter fraud might be available.

more: http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/nation/11623990.htm
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 07:30 AM
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1. Geee, why was no one ever arrested in Nevada for THROWING AWAY
registrations?
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 07:31 AM
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2. see? they're addressing voter fraud
:eyes:
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 07:42 AM
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3. Next up: An investigation of Diebold's Source Code
One can only dream...
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 07:45 AM
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4. how many rocks did they have to look under to find these
poor schmucks? can you say smokescreen?
when does nathan sproul go to jail?
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 07:55 AM
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6. The District Attorney in the case is a Democrat
I'm not to sure that he is doing this for partisan reasons. Even the state's Democratic Governor thinks these people should be prosecuted:

And, regarding those who voted twice, Doyle says the best thing to do is punish the culprits. "Well sure there's a ... I'll tell you the simplest thing to do is catch the people who did it and prosecute them. I mean I'm a prosecutor and the surest way to make sure people follow the law is to let them know there are real consequences for the violation of the law."


http://www.wrn.com/gestalt/go.cfm?objectid=D750FE03-BE1C-4113-B6A10FB87D8E273E&dbtranslator=local.cfm
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 08:05 AM
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10. if we learned anything from ohio
it is that there are a lot of corrupt dems, as well.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 08:13 AM
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11. Are implying that the DA in this case is corrupt for charging people
whe have admitted to committing election fraud? :shrug:
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 08:50 AM
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14. i'm suggesting
that there is a vast right wing conspiracy to downplay the widespread corruption in our election system. you don't have to be a republican to play. charging small fry like this is part of the effort. it no only makes it look like something is being done, it makes it look like it is just little fish like this doing it, and it makes it look like the dems are behind it all, even though i think they are a minority in the conspiracy.
it's a smoke screen.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 09:04 AM
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15. What would these Democratic officials have to gain
by creating this "smoke screen?"
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 09:12 AM
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16. good question
but if you believe that ohio was stolen, you have to believe that dems were in on it. perhaps they have their continued careers to gain. perhaps they think something might happen to all their nice things.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 09:46 AM
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17. Most Americans don't believe that Ohio was stolen
In fact, it doens't even appear that most Ohio Democrats believe that. If they did, they would be raising one heck of a ruckus.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 09:48 AM
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18. big deal
is that supposed to be some kind of answer?
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AlGore-08.com Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 09:59 AM
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20. It's a better answer than circular reasoning
You're saying because it would be necessary for every elected Dem to be involved in a conspiracy to make it work, all of them must be involved in that conspiracy.

Sheesh, the only thing Democrats have ever all agreed upon is wearing little American flags on their lapels. You can't even get all of those clowns to agree on global warming or social security.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 10:12 AM
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21. where did i say all?
i am saying that dems were clearly involved in ohio. i didn't even say all dems in OHIO were involved. sheesh yourself.
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AlGore-08.com Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 04:02 PM
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26. Yes, my fault not quoting you verbatim
However, "all Dems" involved in counting the votes, even tangentially, would have to have been involved in this conspiracy in order for it to work.

Have you ever worked an election? There are always individuals who are in charge of watching the polling stations for potential fraud, and the campaigns are constantly checking the names of the local voters rolls against the names of people who actually vote, to make sure that they've gotten all their supporters to the polls. In a national election, you end up with very large numbers of people doing this work.

And in a close election, the lawyers spend hours trying to figure out whether they have grounds to demand a recount. Kerry made a big show before the election of pointing out how many lawyers he already had, ready to contest the election. He promised on the record at a large number of events that he would not concede "too early".

In order to achieve the kind of vote fraud you're talking about, you'd have to include "all Dems" who were part of the Dem poll watching teams, "all Dems" in the local Dem headquarters who were organizing the poll watchers, "all Dems" who volunteered to work the individual polling stations, "all Dems" in the local media who failed to notice the discrepancy at the time and ignored it subsequently, but most importantly, "all Dem lawyers", who decided that there were no grounds for contesting the election.

I stand by my statement that you can't get that level of cooperation from a group of people that large, especially if they're Democrats.

Look at the 2000 election in comparison. All day long, Florida voters were calling their local Congressfolk to complain about not being allowed to vote. The NAACP was on the case almost immediately. Individual voters were in the street all day long, protesting - - including WWII vets! After the networks had called the election for Smirk, Dems on the ground in Florida were still watching the count, and seeing that it was trending Gore, and trending enough to give him a victory. They called up the chain of command until one of Gore's inner circle got the heads up that Florida was still in play. Knowing that he probably won, but not being certain, Gore still refused to concede until he was out of legal options. (And he has never stopped saying how much he disagrees with the ruling in Bush v. Gore, and has said a number of times on the record that he thinks he won Florida.)

All during the recount, the last thing there was, was solidarity on the part of the Democrats. Elected Dems organized protests for and against Gore. Alex Penalas actively worked to end the recount in Miami Dade. The freakin' chair of the Dem party got on national TV and told Gore to concede. 14 Congressmen tried to challenge the Florida electors, but not a single Senator would agree to do so.

I submit that if you couldn't get the Florida Democratic party to act as one to ignore the vote fraud in the 2000 - - which involved tens of thousands of people being denied the right to vote - - you couldn't get the Ohio Democratic party to do so either.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 06:47 PM
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28. whatever
:eyes:
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 04:20 PM
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27. The only reason OH dems don't believe OH was stolen is because...
they are computer illiterates that don't understand programming.

if (something is true)
then (something will happen)

and these sort of statements can evade pre-election testing.

computers count the votes so no one can see
they claim Bush won, I say prove it to me
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 06:57 PM
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29. Most Americans believed that there were WMD in Iraq, and many still do.
Let's face it, many Americans, especially republicans, aren't all that, um, bright.

Democrats did raise a ruckus over Ohio, remember? Electronic voting machines leave no paper trail.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 07:58 AM
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7. Brit Humes had a good day with this news yesterday--naturally the
focua was on the Dem. part.

.....The issue of fraudulent registrations came up even before the Nov. 2 election, as various groups made major pushes to get likely supporters signed up to vote.

Project Vote is a national non-profit group headed by the former head of the Ohio Democratic Party. It was one of several groups that ran large-scale registration drives in Wisconsin, a key battleground state.

"We are proud of what we did, and we think we caught virtually all the cards that may have been allegedly created by these people," said Brian Mellor, a national coordinator for Project Vote.

In October, the Journal Sentinel reported that two of Project Vote's workers in Milwaukee were felons on probation, which makes it illegal for them to vote and, thus, to register voters. A week later, before the Nov. 2 election, Racine County officials issued felony charges against two Project Vote workers for allegedly falsifying registration cards.......
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 08:03 AM
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9. here they are--


....The warrant filed for Lilly says she was addicted to crack cocaine when the alleged fraud happened, and that she handed in "approximately 75 fraudulent voter registration cards," using names taken from the phone book, made-up birth dates and Social Security numbers, then had her 15-year-old daughter sign each card. She turned in no valid registrations, the warrant says, and is charged in connection with nine registrations for people who didn't vote in the November presidential election. Lewis's warrant says he was fired by Project Vote for submitting a registration card in the name of a dead person, but before he did that, he allegedly turned in duplicate cards for the same voter on "numerous" occasions. He admitted turning in multiple entries for some family members, the warrant says.

Lilly and Lewis were charged with five felonies each: three counts each of forgery, one count of election fraud and one count of misconduct in public office, since they had been sworn in as deputy voter registrars for the registration effort. If convicted as charged, each could face a maximum possible sentence of 25 years in prison.

The charges came a day after McCann and U.S. Attorney Steve Biskupic announced that their probe into election irregularities in the City of Milwaukee had turned up clear evidence of voter fraud.

The probe, launched in January after reports by the Journal Sentinel detailed widespread election problems, found more than 200 felons who illegally voted in the city, while still on probation or parole, and at least another 100 cases where people voted twice, or used fake names, false addresses or the names of dead people to vote......
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 07:55 AM
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5. Does this article mention whom the fraud benefitted?
Let me guess...since it does NOT say it benefitted George W. Bush, my guess is, George W. Bush was the beneficiary of these fraudulent registrations.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 08:23 AM
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13. No, I'm pretty sure these are Dems who are being accused n/t
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 08:01 AM
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8. Aaaaaarrrrggghhhhhhhh!
Edited on Thu May-12-05 08:03 AM by meganmonkey
:banghead:

When will the REAL FRAUD get investigated? THe FRAUD that gave bush** a second FRAUDulent term in office? The FRAUD that guarantees thousands of more deaths in Iraq, and probably Iran and/or Syria and god knows where else? Not to mention the horrible state of affairs on our own land?

:mad:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 08:17 AM
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12. they just went after the little guy on the street--the easy target (and i
do think they should). yet--like you say above--it missed the Big picture.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 09:48 AM
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19. Was this the same outfit noted in Nevada, West Virginia and other
places that paid workers to get registrations.. and that would throw out democratic registrations? If not, what was that group's name(s) - and weren't they tied to some bigwig republican fundraiser type?
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sybylla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 10:30 AM
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22. The only reason this got investigated at all is cuz Kerry won Milwaukee
Edited on Thu May-12-05 10:38 AM by sybylla
and the state pukes made a big stink about voter fraud in an effort to get support for their nazi-esque voter ID bill passed.

There have been several incidents in municipalities where the chimp won that have been totally shrugged off by the pukes and, in the end, by the If-It-Bleed-It-Leads media.

The only conspiracy here is the repig effort to turn the voting problems in the City of Milwaukee into a vast Dem voter-fraud conspiracy. They're just pissed off that Wisconsin went for Kerry. Since Milwaukee cast the most Dem votes in the state, that makes them, their Dem mayor and their liberal city officals an obvious target for their "wolf" cries.

on edit: link to thread in Wisconsin forum on Milwaukee election "fraud"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=186x7759
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 10:33 AM
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23. For crying out loud
this has very little to do with voter fraud and nothing to do with election fraud, this is a red herring. These people REGISTERED false names to get paid more, THOSE FALSE PEOPLE DID NOT VOTE...
this should be labeled what it is...employee theft - the lesson learned here should be not to pay people by names registered, only hourly if paid at all, I think it should remain voluntary.

THIS IS A RED HERRING by the people who do not want REAL election fraud looked into or believed. They want this to be what people think of when fraud is mentioned.

We'll never get anywhere with election fraud as long as we enable this sort of diversion.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 11:45 AM
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24. A good point, EC--the voters never voted (they weren't real), and...
...this was just poor people going down a wrong road. It reminds me of the cases of 3-strikes prosecution of non-violent thieves, putting them away for decades of punishment in our horror-based prison system, for stealing bread or baby food, on old convictions for check kiting or drug possession--while Halliburton steals billions and billions of taxpayers' dollars with perfect impunity, and, indeed, while the Bush Cartel slaughters over 100,000 people to get control of their oil.

The proportion of things is just...so....mindboggglingly wrong...

100 or so fake registrations, of non-existent people who will never vote, done for small change--meanwhile, in Ohio, numerous reports of touchscreens changing Kerry votes to Bush votes all day long, and defaulting to Bush, and deleting Kerry votes in a party vote--all with impossible odds of these "glitches" only favoring Bush--and with voting machines counting backwards, deleting thousands of votes, and inventing thousands of phantom votes for Bush (also in Florida), and inexplicable skews to Bush in the exit polls in just the states he needed to win, and....well, it goes on and on.

Proportion. Perspective. Balance, in how power is distributed, and who checks up on those who have it.

I wonder just how much money it cost to put those poverty-stricken, drug-addled voter registration workers behind bars, and to keep them there, for their great crime.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:57 PM
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25. This is maddening!!!
Lyndie England takes the fall when the bush administration advocates torturing prisoners.

These guys get prosecuted for defrauding their employers, while the REAL ELECTION FRAUD that happened in this country goes totally uninvestigated and unpunished. :argh:

It' happened in 2000, it happened in 2002, and it happened in 2004. Anyone that thinks for ONE SECOND that it WON'T happen in 2006 has their head in the sand.

We have to fight election fraud every day until our election system gets straightened out. The next president the computerized voting machines elect may be EVEN WORSE than the one we have now. So might your governor, your senators and your reps. So might your school board supervisors! Who our elected officials are affects EVERYTHING that has to do with our daily lives, and our ability to make a living and STAY alive.

:kick::kick::kick:
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