[sodomist]Dr. Hager's Family Values[bush's "family values" app'tee to FDA]

[truthisfreedom]

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20050530&s=mcgarvey

Dr. Hager's Family Values

Ayelish McGarvey

<snip>

Back at Asbury, Hager cast himself as a victim of religious persecution in his sermon. "You see...there is a war going on in this country," he said gravely. "And I'm not speaking about the war in Iraq. It's a war being waged against Christians, particularly evangelical Christians. It wasn't my scientific record that came under scrutiny . It was my faith.... By making myself available, God has used me to stand in the breach.... Just as he has used me, he can use you."

Up on the dais, several men seated behind Hager nodded solemnly in agreement. But out in the audience, Linda Carruth Davis--co-author with Hager of Stress and the Woman's Body, and, more saliently, his former wife of thirty-two years--was enraged. "It was the most disgusting thing I've ever heard," she recalled months later, through clenched teeth.

According to Davis, Hager's public moralizing on sexual matters clashed with his deplorable treatment of her during their marriage. Davis alleges that between 1995 and their divorce in 2002, Hager repeatedly sodomized her without her consent. Several sources on and off the record confirmed that she had told them it was the sexual and emotional abuse within their marriage that eventually forced her out. "I probably wouldn't have objected so much, or felt it was so abusive if he had just wanted normal sex all the time," she explained to me. "But it was the painful, invasive, totally nonconsensual nature of the sex that was so horrible."

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i really can't say anything more. except this:

Dr. David Hager is Bush's "Family Values" Appointee to the Advisory Committee for Reproductive Health Drugs in the FDA.

[DesEtoiles]

1. Good God - is the GOP terminally horny?

[Mikimouse]

2. It's a domination thing, not a sex thing...n/t

[suziedemocrat]

15. Is anyone keeping track of fundies with sex scandals.

Seems the #1 Conservative Value is hypocrisy!

Here's who I can think of:
1) Dr. Hager,
2) Bolton - takes his wife to sex clubs in NYC,
3) J. Gannon - or whoever that prostitute/reporter is,
4) Ryan - who dropped out of the Illinois Senate race -
5) Spokane Mayor - anti-gay rights, ex-boy scout leader, gay (pedophile?) -
.... I know there are so many others I have read about - we need to keep track and do a commercial on Conservative Values!

[Lars39]

21. Found this site a while back... RedMorals

http://tesibria.typepad.com/redmorals/

Not sure if the site is current.
It's very hard to keep track of all the RW sex scandals;
there's so many of them.

[otohara]

53. Ohhh...This is Good Stuff - One Stop Shop

thanks for posting!

[Lars39]

55. Isn't it, though?

I found it most interesting. Hope they keep it updated. :)

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

31. IF her did it against her will, it's rape

Rape isn't about horny, rape is about domination

[darkism]

3. So Hager is a RAPIST.

Tell it like it is.

[Anarcho-Socialist]

4. male hookers, bestiality, and now rape

The Grand Old Party sure know how to do family values.

[suziedemocrat]

16. Bestiality?? - Missed that one! OMG!! n/t

[Anarcho-Socialist]

18. Here's a link...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=109x20823

[suziedemocrat]

19. I feel like laughing and vomiting at the same time!! Thanks for the link.

[Anarcho-Socialist]

30. You're welcome

:hi:

[Sabriel]

45. Ew! I didn't know The Onion was doing radio parody now... n/t

[anitar1]

5. Another twisted personality

in the circle. Seems as if all the sociopaths flock to *. What a POS this man is. If I start ranting, I may explode with anger.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

9. Sociopaths flock to power.

Repukes presently have the power. The evangelical movement also offers perceived paths to personal and temporal power. It's a potent mix and sure to attract those for whom power is everything.

[truthisfreedom]

10. And they're rewarded with it. in exchange for their loyalty to bushco.

it's incredibly sick. and the MSM doesn't seem to give a g-damn.

[oasis]

6. Bushistas are the terrorist of our homeland.

[rodeodance]

7. Hager is also the one holding up PLan B (morning after pill) in FDA

...And because of his warm relationship with the Bush Administration, Hager has had the opportunity to see his ideas influence federal policy. In December 2003 the FDA advisory committee of which he is a member was asked to consider whether emergency contraception, known as Plan B, should be made available over the counter. Over Hager's dissent, the committee voted overwhelmingly to approve the change. But the FDA rejected its recommendation, a highly unusual and controversial decision in which Hager, The Nation has learned, played a key role. Hager's reappointment to the committee, which does not require Congressional approval, is expected this June, but Bush's nomination of Dr. Lester Crawford as FDA director has been bogged down in controversy over the issue of emergency contraception. Crawford was acting director throughout the Plan B debacle, and Senate Democrats, led by Hillary Clinton and Patty Murray, are holding up his nomination until the agency revisits its decision about going over the counter with the pill.

When Hager's nomination to the FDA was announced in the fall of 2002, his conservative Christian beliefs drew sharp criticism from Democrats and prochoice groups. David Limbaugh, the lesser light in the Limbaugh family and author of Persecution: How Liberals Are Waging Political War Against Christianity, said the left had subjected Hager to an "anti-Christian litmus test." Hager's valor in the face of this "religious profiling" earned him the praise and lasting support of evangelical Christians, including such luminaries as Charles Colson, Dr. James Dobson and Franklin Graham, son of the Rev. Billy Graham.....

[rodeodance]

8. was thinking-since his preferred method of sex does not get women

pregnant--maybe he thinks all women do not need contraception? uga uga

[Wright Patman]

11. I was thinking along similar lines

only I was thinking that I hoped the ex-wife used copious amounts of laxatives afterwards so as not to give birth to another POS like him.

Sick thoughts for a sick time in our history.

[central scrutinizer]

12. "paging Dr. Hager"

"Your proctologist called - they found your head."

[Tesla]

13. My cousin was married to a man that wanted only anal...

He and his boyfriend live happily ever after in Fl now!!!

[chelaque liberal]

14. Remember the petition that circulated a couple of years ago?

I received this petition from several different sources at the time and was furious when I found out that the appointment had actually happened with little media attention. I just read the Nation article in entirety and am totally outraged!


Petition

To: President George W Bush
President Bush has announced his plan to select Dr. W. David Hager to
head up the Food and Drug Administration's (FDA) Reproductive Health
Drugs Advisory Committee. The committee has not met for more than two
years, during which time its charter lapsed. As a result, the Bush
Administration is tasked with filling all eleven positions with new
members. This position does not require Congressional approval.

The FDA's Reproductive Health Drugs Advisory Committee makes crucial
decisions on matters relating to drugs used in the practice of
obstetrics, gynecology and related specialties, including hormone
therapy, contraception, treatment for infertility, and medical
alternatives to surgical procedures for sterilization and pregnancy
termination.

Dr. Hager, the author of "As Jesus Cared for Women: Restoring Women Then and Now." The book blends biblical accounts of Christ
healing Women with case studies from Hager's practice. His views of
reproductive health care are far outside the mainstream for reproductive technology. Dr. Hager is a practicing OB/GYN who describes himself as "pro-life" and refuses to prescribe contraceptives to unmarried women.

In the book Dr. Hager wrote with his wife, entitled "Stress and the
Woman's Body," he suggests that women who suffer from premenstrual
syndrome should seek help from reading the bible and praying. As an
editor and contributing author of "The Reproduction Revolution: A
Christian Appraisal of Sexuality Reproductive Technologies and the Family," Dr. Hager appears to have endorsed the medically inaccurate assertion that the common birth control pill is an abortifacient.

We are concerned that Dr. Hager's strong beliefs may color his
assessment of technologies that are necessary to protect women's lives or to preserve and promote women's health.

Hager's track record of using religious beliefs to guide his medical
decision-making makes him a dangerous and inappropriate candidate to
serve as chair of this committee. Critical drug public policy and
research must not be held hostage by anti-abortion politics. Members of this important panel should be appointed on the basis of science and medicine, rather than politics and religion. American women deserve no less.

I oppose the appointment of Dr. W. David Hager to the FDA Reproductive Health Drugs Advisory Committee. Mixing religion and medicine is unacceptable in a policy-making position. Using the FDA to promote a political agenda is inappropriate and seriously threatens women's health. Members of this important panel should be appointed on the basis of science and medicine, rather than politics and religion. American women deserve no less.

Sincerely,
XXXXXXXXX

[smoogatz]

17. I believe the Biblically correct usage is "sodomite."

As in, one who practices sodomy. Or a resident of Sodom. I wonder if this is the guy that UT student was referring to in his remarks to Man Coulter--just before he was arrested by the campus cops.

[DeepModem Mom]

20. It's obvious that Dr. Hager wants absolute control over womens' bodies --

the man is revolting.

When will people wake up, and smell these peoples' putrid bacon??? Laura and W provide a chaste goody-goody public image for them, with the happy cooperation of the press, but this kind of behavior pops up, again and again. These people are sickos.

[Solly Mack]

22. I can't say what I would dearly like to do to that lowlife

I feel nothing but unadulterated hate for that man and all men like him.

[smoogatz]

24. I can't say it, either

But the CIA is doing it to prisoners right now in Afghanistan, Iraq and Cuba.

[Viking12]

23. ..and this Rapist is directing reproductive policy at the FDA

Memo May Have Swayed Plan B Ruling
FDA Received 'Minority Report' From Conservative Doctor on Panel

Soon after the Food and Drug Administration overruled its advisory panel last year and rejected an application to make an emergency contraceptive more easily available, critics of the agency said it had ignored scientific evidence and yielded to pressure from social conservatives.

The agency denied the charge, but an outspoken evangelical conservative doctor on the panel subsequently acknowledged in a previously unreported public sermon that he was asked to write a memo to the FDA commissioner soon after the panel voted 23 to 4 in favor of over-the-counter sales of the contraceptive, called Plan B. He said he believes his memo played a central role in the rejection of that recommendation.

The new information comes from a videotaped sermon in October by W. David Hager. On the tape, he said he was asked to write a "minority report" that would outline why over-the-counter sales should be rejected.

Speaking at the Asbury College chapel in Wilmore, Ky., Hager said, "I was asked to write a minority opinion that was sent to the commissioner of the FDA. For only the second time in five decades, the FDA did not abide by its advisory committee opinion, and the measure was rejected."

-more-

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/11/AR2005051101812.html

[salin]

27. That is indeed the long and the short of it.

force anal sex on the zonked out sleeping wife - try excuses like... I can't "feel" the difference (between the types of sex)... dominate and force his will... indeed rape.

then push policies that prevent women from protecting themselves against pregnancy caused by pigs like himself.

[BrklynLiberal]

25. Absolute control over women and their bodies is what fundamentalist

religions of all types are about. The Dominionist, Christian Reconstructionist, Rightwing Fundamentalists in America are exactly the same as the religious Fundamentalists they are screaming out against as being terrorists in the Middle East. Their goals are identical. Ultimately their means of achieving them will be as violent. Bombing of women's health clinics and murdering physicians has already happened.

If you have the stomach to read about it, here are the details of their plans for this country.

The Rise of Dominionism in America
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/DirectoryRiseOfDominionismInAmerica.html

Dominionist Bill Limits the Supreme Court's Jurisdiction
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/ConstitutionRestorationAct.htm

The Crusaders
Christian evangelicals are plotting to remake America in their own image
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/_/id/7235393?pageid=rs.Home&pageregion=single7&rnd=1112887778015&has-player=true&version=6.0.12.1040

DOMINIONISM
(A.K.A. CHRISTIAN RECONSTRUCTIONISM, DOMINION THEOLOGY, AND THEONOMY)
http://www.religioustolerance.org/reconstr.htm

Theocracy Watch: The Dominionists
http://www.publicdomainprogress.info/2004/11/theocracy-watch-dominionists.html

dominionism
http://www.answers.com/topic/dominionism

for an interesting overview
The Rise of the Religious Right in the Republican Party
http://www.theocracywatch.org/

[Justitia]

32. Bingo! Control over women - physically, & force is ok, even admired

Check out what that crazy bitch Janice Shaw Crouse (LaHaye Institute) says when she is confronted by these shocking accusations:

"He hasn't CAVED IN, and he hasn't WAFFLED. He is a person of character and integrity, and I think people ADMIRE that."

These fundamentalists LOVE brute force, to them sadism is attractive. This is exactly the reason they love Bush and his administration - he is "strong", doesn't give in, won't take "NO" for an answer, etc., etc.

Just look at John Bolton for another example of a much-admired bully / sexual sadist - who they also LOVE. Cheney, Rumsfeld, Abu Garib is just the anecdotal evidence of this mental depravity.

The idea that these sick fucks have certain WOMEN like Crouse and the Eagle Forum, et al in their corner makes me physically ill.

They (their female "supporters") are sexual sadists by proxy.

[BrklynLiberal]

46. That is the absolute truth! They all need long-term therapy.

The loud-mouthed public supporters all fit the same personality type. Sorry to generalize, but they do.
It would be interesting to investigate their family relationships.

They (their female "supporters") are sexual sadists by proxy.

The sad, every day women who are with these kind of men are the meek, classic abused cases who have no self-respect and think they deserve to be abused.

[priller]

26. Wow, guys, read the whole article

He basically turned her into his own personal prostitute, actually paying her money for sexual acts she didn't like to do (like oral sex, apparently). The guy is very messed up. Incredible.

[smoogatz]

33. $2,000 for a blowjob

from a fifty-year-old woman. No wonder the wingnuts hated Clinton. Add envy to the list of deadly sins on display here. But then we knew it all along.

[Julius Civitatus]

41. Yup. But she's also sick

(before anyone starts shouting, let me explain my view)

This guy Hager is a sick bastard, a born again hypocrite that would force her wife to do certain sexual acts, and sometimes pay her to perform those acts.

But on the other side of the same coin, Ms. Hager is a born again hypocrite, a goody-two-shoes that wouldn't perform certain sex acts with her husband... UNLESS THE PRICE WAS RIGHT!

They are both a pair of world-class hypocrites. "Sanctity of marriage" indeed!

What a sick story, anyway. And the gall of writing books and go around preaching the rest about what we should do with our lives.

[Tansy_Gold]

47. I believe the woman resisted and had little choice in the matter

Please remember that coercion is also a form of rape.

When a woman has no economic resources outside her marriage and has children to care for and is brainwashed by a religious upbringing, cut her a little slack.

The article also says that Hager controlled her through money. Since she saw little hope of escaping him otherwise, why not at least get paid for what he was going to do to her anyway?


Sheesh.

[Julius Civitatus]

50. What a piece of work that Hager guy

:grr:

[alcibiades_mystery]

28. Hager's method of birth control:

You can't make babies in a rectum.

What a fucking piece of shit this phony baloney religioso is. Goddamn they are a pack of despicable fuckwads aren't they.

[wallwriter]

29. So the guy who asked Ann Coulter about a man...

...who just wants to (sodomize his wife) all the time was asking a surprisingly relevant question!!

Dogs and cats, living together! It's a good thing I don't believe in the end of days...

((edited to fix formatting error))

[smoogatz]

34. Exactomundo

I'll bet he was referring to this article. The kid's smarter than I thought--just not the most articulate guy on the planet.

[daleo]

37. I thought the question was pertinent at the time

It was a pity it wasn't phrased more delicately, because Coulter et al ought to give a response. If today's mores are to be based on 3000+ year old texts, the internal consistency of those texts is certainly open to debate.

[wallwriter]

38. Are you saying that slavery and polygamy might not be OK?

My God, what's next? Blended fabrics?! The horror!

[daleo]

43. And sewing two crops in the same plot of land.

We must examine good fundies flower gardens for sin.

[alfredo]

35. Recommend this for the front page.

BTW, how do you recommend a page.

[MountainLaurel]

36. At the bottom of the OP

Is a place to click for "Recommend for Greatest Threads page"

[alfredo]

40. Thanks

[xxqqqzme]

39. I would like 2 see Hager

in stocks in a public place, so rotten organic matter could be thrown @ him.

But then he would probably enjoy it.

I don't care who U R or your years of education but it is physically/mentally impossible for MEN 2 B an authority on any health matters concerning women.

[youspeakmylanguage]

42. One thing I don't understand...

First, let me preface this by saying IN NO WAY am I implying that this abuse was the wife's fault or that she was "asking for it".

But I don't understand how a married woman abused in this fashion didn't leave after the first incident. I could understand if the couple was poor or if the husband threatened her with violence, but this is a white woman, reasonably-well educated (high school at least), with a very prominent and wealthy husband. She could have split for a women's shelter, hired a lawyer with especially sharp fangs and taken this guy to the bank. She could even have charged rape and had him arrested. But she did neither. Although she didn't know that rape could be legally applied to this abuse, she had to know someone would have helped her.

[daleo]

44. Brainwashed by religion, I suppose.

Since she married a pastor, she was probably pretty deeply into the belief system itself, that says
- a woman must submit to her husband.
- a woman must never leave her husband.

That is just my uneducated guess though.

[Tansy_Gold]

48. Explanation

I believe the article stated that she realized very quickly into the marriage that things were wrong, but she had been raised, as many women of that generation (I'm one of them) were raised, to believe that marriage is a forever thing, for better or worse or not so great. That the first thing.

Second, she came from a family that was even more traditional when it came to "you've made your bed, now you lie in it." Her husband was seen as a very good "catch," rather like John Fedders, former official with SEC who was jailed for abusing his wife Charlotte back in the 70s or 80s. It was Charlotte's account of their violent marriage that broke the taboo of admitting abuse occurs in "nice" families, too. Linda Hager Davis believed in traditional marriage even more than most of her generation.

Third, she states in the article that David was very controlling about money. This is not uncommon in abusive relationships. Without easy access to money, she would not have had the ability to "escape" as easily as you might think. In the early years of her marriage -- the 1970s -- there weren't a lot of shelters and most of them were reserved for less financially advantaged women. Also -- see #2 above -- well-to-do women were not "supposed" to be victims of abuse. In some cases, such women's complaints were dismissed as marital spats, because "everyone knows" wife-beaters are lower-class drunks, not Christian Ob-Gyns with fancy houses and connections to classy private colleges.

Fourth, abusers frequently threaten their victims in a variety of ways, with further violence or with the dire consequences of leaving. A woman like Linda Hager may have believed that her husband's position in the family and in the community would protect him from any charges she might level against him. He might have threatened her with charges of mental illness -- she was already being treated for narcolepsy -- and the possible loss of custody of her children. Please note that the article states that the children, though grown, were still upset with her when she opted for the divorce in 2002. When they were children, they would have been much more vulnerable and she would probably have been more willing to submit to her husband's unwanted sexual activity rather than risk losing her children to him.

Fifth, abusers frequently promise never to do it again, and I believe there were references in the article to the effect that Hager did indeed refrain from such behavior for periods of time that allowed Linda to "forgive" him. This is common in abusive relationships.

Sixth, many researchers believe there is a "scale" -- I can't remember the name of it, maybe Taylor-Johnson??? -- that is unique to each individual and each relationship. Somewhere on that scale is a point beyond which one individual simply cannot go, and that's her (or his) point of escape. For some it may be the very first slap, for others it may be the first anal rape, for others it may be kicking the dog, for others it may be threats against the children. The problem is, no one really knows what that point is until AFTER it's reached and the escape is made -- or at least attempted.

Seventh, while it's easy to assume that a white woman with some education and a middle class background ought to believe she would have no trouble getting a job, the psychological battering that often accompanies physical and/or sexual abuse may leave the victim with no self esteem and not even an understanding of her options outside the relationship. It's very easy to say what we would or wouldn't do in similar circumstances, but until you've been there, you just don't know.

Linda Carruth Hager Davis was brutally abused -- physically, sexually, emotionally. To call her sick or complicit in her own abuse is just another form of abuse heaped most unfairly on her.

[youspeakmylanguage]

51. Excellent points, and I NEVER stated she was "sick" or "complicit"

However, if someone were abusing me, I would get out no matter what the circumstances were. Even in the 70's there had to have been women who escaped abusive situations with little more than the clothes they were wearing and pocket change.

How could escaping abuse like this not be worth a few nights sleeping in a park, or a few years of working a menial job? Other people have done it under worse circumstances.

I'm NOT saying she is to blame - not in the slightest. But I think she could have escaped this abuse sooner than she did.

[Megahurtz]

49. Closet Pervert Sex Freak!

:freak:Posing as a "Christian" ELCH!!!:puke:

[Name removed]

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[ngGale]

57. Our country is like a "Black Comedy" sitcom...

The moral majority - aka "Closet Perverted Sex Freaks!" All in charge of our children and their futures.:mad: :puke:

[depakid]

54. Just another far right psychopath

The Republican party is full of them- so this doesn't come as much a surprise.

[Shallah Kali]

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