Iraqi police vent anger at US after car bombings

[bemildred]

Iraqi police hurled insults at US soldiers after two suicide car bomb blasts in Baghdad killed at least seven people and left 19 wounded, including policemen.

"It's all because you're here," a policeman shouted in Arabic at a group of US soldiers after the latest in a bloody wave of attacks that have rocked Baghdad this month.

"Get out of our country and there will be no more explosions," he told the uncomprehending Americans staring at the smouldering wreck of a car bomb.

The explosion wounded three policemen as they stood guard at the entrance to the River Police compound on Abu Nawas street in the centre of the capital.

ABC Online

[Theres-a]

1. "uncomprehending americans"

:patriot: As in uncomprehending the language,or uncomprehending why no one wants them there?

[leesa]

5. Both, I would imagine.

[calimary]

9. That's just sad. "Uncomprehending Americans." And it's spot-on.

They don't understand because they're so filled with bullshit from our mewling press corps with its presidential kneepads, and the heavy-handed censorship by the White House and the Pentagon. And they go over there with all this star-spangled-banner crap in their heads, and then they see what the reality is and the reality doesn't fit the hose job they were sold, and eagerly bought, before they left. No wonder they're "uncomprehending." It isn't turning out like our Fearless Fuhrer said it was.

There just isn't a level of Hell low enough for bush to burn in. It doesn't exist. But then again, I'm pretty damned disgruntled today. If there's a God out there, He certainly isn't taking any of my phone calls.

[BeHereNow]

11. What a GREAT post Calimary!

Wow, you may be disgruntled, but your
writing is smoking today!
"presidential kneepads..."
One of the best I've read on DU over the years-
You GO!
BHN

[LynnTheDem]

2. Too many Americans too stupid to understand;

"GET OUT OF OUR COUNTRY!"

Seems straight forward to me.

[UpInArms]

3. that last line in the article said it all

"Since Americans invaded our country they have brought nothing but evil."

We are not wanted, we were not needed, there was no reason (other than the PNAC agenda) for any of this.

:(

[calimary]

10. Tell me about it. What a statement. No wonder they hate us.

I've been saying this for a long time - most, if not all, of the violence and disruption over there might just fade away if WE left. All we're doing over there is aggravating the anger, and picking scabs. Nothing can heal as long as we're there making sure the wounds stay open and angry and oozing and infected.

[Roland99]

4. Don't those flowers smell great?

Kucinich should go on a nationwide tour preaching the contents of his letter from every county courthouse in the country!

[cliss]

6. Now just think,

THESE are the people that the Pentagon and RumsFailed are turning over their operations to. Just look in the LBN under 'US plans to turn over operations to Iraqis'.

That's the next step. Really well planned, isn't it?

[tabasco]

28. Sure they are. US forces are going to guard the pipelines.

We can't spare enough troops to provide security in the cities, so we are turning the quagmire over to the Iraqis. Rummy and the boys don't care what happens in Iraq as long as the pipeline is secure. That was the reason we went in, after all.

As far as I can tell, we have given up trying to provide security in the cities. We send troops to the scene AFTER the bombs go off for some photo ops, and then back to guarding the pipeline.

[NNN0LHI]

7. OK, it may now be time to execute Plan B

Does anyone know what Plan B is?

Don

[clem_c_rock]

8. Another hint to get the fuck out. And all the people saying "We can't

leave now because these savages will tear themselves limb from limb" are so full of shit and falling into the classic colonialist cry for continued occupation. That is: "We came here to bring these savages a better life, our work is not finished here, and if we leave they will kill each other in civil war".

Wake the fuck up or find up to your nearest recruiter and go "join the cause".

[bpilgrim]

12. everyone saying we can't leave now cause the Iraqi people can't handle

their own affairs are arrogant and racist in the extreme who live in a media projected fantasy land.


I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever. Thomas Jefferson

peace

[clem_c_rock]

14. Exactly - I'm starting really realize this is a tactic

There are many examples of both Sunnis and Shias banning together against a common enemy - the US.

A good commentary on the subject:

http://www.usmlo.org/archive2005/2005-02/vor050211.htm#4

And what if there's a civil war? How many countries had to resort to this to resolve THEIR OWN AFFAIRS? One quickly comes to mind - the US.

We had ours, as bloody as it was, and we didn't have a massive war machine occupying us and bombing the living fuck out of us while we were engaged in OUR OWN SELF-DETERMINATION.

[ConservativeDemocrat]

13. A simple genocide will indeed stop the car bombings...

Iraqis had a way to keep peace in their country before the Americans came. The tribe with military dominance went to the tribe causing trouble and said the following: stop it or we'll kill every last one of you. And if they didn't, they'd start a genocide until the attacks stopped - men, women, children, everyone.

Simple. Brutal. Effective.

And that technique would work today too. The only difference would be that it would be the Sunnis on the receiving end rather than the Shiites and the Kurds.

The only thing stopping them is the Americans. This is the source of Shiite and Kurdish frustration.

I find it quite odd, however, that Kucinich supporters are in favor of this kind of final solution. While most Democrats, including the likes of Howard Dean and John Kerry, know we're stuck in Iraq until we can get a stable government in place, you'd rather just turn your back and let the massacres happen.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[clem_c_rock]

15. And your sources are all coming from US mainstream media

Which means you have no way of really verifying this.

Many folks are coming out w/ much different analysis of this:

http://www.usmlo.org/archive2005/2005-02/vor050211.htm#4

Check out post #7 and #14 for more on this.

[ConservativeDemocrat]

17. Au contraire

I read English versions of many international newspapers, blogs, and press releases. The enmity between the various factions in Iraq is well known, even by the source you cite (Voice of Revolution - Publication of the U.S. Marxist-Leninist Organization).

There is absolutely no data to suggest that if the U.S. withdraws immediately, there won't be an immediate bloody civil war - eventually to be won by the most ruthless strongman. The most likely result would be the division in Iraq between the Kurds in the north and the Shiites in the South. The Arab Sunnis (Kurds are Sunni too) would cease to exist.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[NNN0LHI]

18. If for the sake of argument I agree with everything you say...

...when do you suppose America will be able to leave Iraq and for there not to be a bloody civil war? Just curious?

Don

[daleo]

21. Eventually the U.S. military will become a fourth tribe.

They will settle down and inter-marry with the local people, convert to Islam, learn the local languages and so forth. Perhaps in a few hundred years everything will settle down, and their descendent's can return to America.

That appears to be the plan, at any rate.

[ConservativeDemocrat]

31. Good question -

- thinking in most Democratic circles is around 5 to 10 years. And by "democratic circles" I mean our foreign policy experts who actually have a positive track record in nation building, unlike the Bush administration.

It will also a hell of a lot more expensive than anyone in the GOP is willing to admit. But we really have no choice now - "we" (America) broke it, we bought it.

So what will bring stability? Not just elections (though that's not a bad start). What we really need is a solid middle class there, and enough self generated wealth so that people understand that a war would cause everyone to loose.

That's what really brought an end to "the troubles" in Northern Ireland. Not just Michell's intervention (though that helped, certainly), but the rising standard of living that made people have too much investment in peace to fight.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[NNN0LHI]

32. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha ha, ha, ha, ha. Around 5 to 10 years. Ha, ha, ha, ha

What the fuck are you smoking? What you got? Some White Rhino or something? Jesus H. Christ! Put the bong down. You had me going for a moment there. I actually thought I was conversing with someone who had some grasp of reality. Thanks for putting that stupid idea of mine to rest. You like trains too? Chooo, choooooooo. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

Don

[ConservativeDemocrat]

36. Unfortunately,...

Unfortunately, I am prevented by the overwhelmingly biased DU moderators from giving your post the response it deserves. Greens and Communists are welcome in the DU to attack Democrats here without any fear of having their posts deleted or their accounts removed. I, on the other hand, have to be extremely careful.

So I'll just let your post stand on its own merits. You offer no evidence, nor even a glimmer of reasoning behind your smug assertions. I can't even tell if you think the range of 5 to 10 years is too long or too short.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[clem_c_rock]

19. And that is called Self determination

And what if there's a civil war? How many countries had to resort to this to resolve THEIR OWN AFFAIRS? One quickly comes to mind - the US.

We had ours, as bloody as it was, and we didn't have a massive war machine occupying us and bombing the living fuck out of us while we were engaged in OUR OWN SELF-DETERMINATION.

Sometimes it needs to happen. Western powers have invaded this country 3 times in the last 90 years, backed coups, installed puppet regimes (Saddam - a psychopath who we supported unconditionally for over 30 years and at the height of his atrocities), implemented and enforced the sanctions that killed well over 100,000 people.

When does this meddling ever stop. We are the last people on earth who could ever help these people. The only benefit we could give them is to finally get the fuck out of their lives.

Unfortunately, the PNAC has quite different plans - and their plans do not have anything in them that will benefit the Iraqi people.

[ConservativeDemocrat]

30. Interesting take on history you've got there

I guess, according to you, the White House was never burned down in 1812.

You can argue that Americans shouldn't care about what happens to innocent (and a little-bit guilty) Iraqis. But if you do, then you have no right to protest about economic sanctions imposed against Iraq, unless you are saying that "Western powers" should have less sovereignty to choose who they trade with than other people. Oh sorry, when you mean "get the F*ck out of their lives" you mean trade with them no matter what kind of murderous genocide they're doing -- except that means that we're "support(ing" dictators "unconditionally".

You're trying to have it both ways. No matter what we do when Iraqis murder Iraqis, it's apparently our fault. Well, sorry. I don't buy that.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[dArKeR]

16. Look. 1. This soldier looks overweight 2. He looks like he has no idea

what to do. (This is my 6th sense impression by looking at his body language. Get our soldiers home now!)
http://story.news.yahoo.com/photo/050510/481/bag10705100758&g=events/iraq/082701iraqplane

[IChing]

20. I don't understand why they would be angry

More incidents means we're winning according to the military
and what about our 12-14 bases? Are we suppose to just leave them?
What about Halliburton and their jobs in Iraq?

[leftchick]

22. Iraqi police vent anger at US after car bombings

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200505/s1364588.htm

Iraqi police hurled insults at US soldiers after two suicide car bomb blasts in Baghdad killed at least seven people and left 19 wounded, including policemen.

"It's all because you're here," a policeman shouted in Arabic at a group of US soldiers after the latest in a bloody wave of attacks that have rocked Baghdad this month.

"Get out of our country and there will be no more explosions," he told the uncomprehending Americans staring at the smouldering wreck of a car bomb.

The explosion wounded three policemen as they stood guard at the entrance to the River Police compound on Abu Nawas street in the centre of the capital.

[ixion]

23. and yet people still cling to that 'we can't leave' mantra

No, we can't leave, because things will deteriorate.

These types of incidents really illustrate the complete lack of logic in that statement. :-(

[orwell]

24. How long...

before our "trainees" turn on us full force.

Headlines: Ungrateful Iraqis Declare War on US Peacekeepers!

[Frederik]

25. They were absolutely right

[bullimiami]

26. bush cant leave until the puppet govt is in full control

or the corporations lose their whole investment.

[parasim]

27. Gary Hart's blog entry today is pretty straight forward...

... on the question of whether we should be there or not:

-snip

There is one way to find out. Are we, or are we not, building permanent military bases in Iraq? Yes or no? If we are withdrawing ALL troops, we do not need permanent bases. If we are building military bases, we do not intend to withdraw all our troops. Simple as that.

-snip

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/featuredposts.html#a000290

[eridani]

35. Damn! GO! GO! GO! GO!

Each and every prominent Dem MUST shout this from the rooftops! State what the basic problem is. Only then can we talk about how best to solve it.

[goodhue]

29. kick

[Zorra]

33. "Get out of our country and there will be no more explosions,"

he told the uncomprehending Americans.

I'm guessing that he was not throwing any flowers while he said this.

My secret Iraq plan: Remove all American troops from Iraq immediately in order to stop explosions.

It's so simple, yet so effective. But is it simple enough for the "uncomprehending Americans" to grasp?

[goodhue]

34. kick