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ECH1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 11:13 PM
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Shiite Leaders Prepare for Insurgency Crackdown
BAGHDAD, Iraq — Iraq's Shiite Muslim leadership, alarmed by a surge in attacks as the new government prepares to take office, plans to crack down on Sunni-led insurgents and purge suspected infiltrators and corrupt officers from the nation's security forces, officials and lawmakers say.

A likely tactic, authorities say, is unleashing well-trained Iraqi commandos in Baghdad and other trouble spots. The special forces units have a reputation for effectiveness and brutality.

The prospect of stepped-up counterinsurgency efforts is greatly unsettling to a Sunni Arab minority that already considers itself besieged and disenfranchised in the new Iraq. Most Sunnis boycotted the Jan. 30 elections, and their political representation is scant.

Although Allawi did sign off on the U.S.-led attack on the former Sunni rebel bastion of Fallujah last November, the Shiite Islamists about to assume power here are clearly signaling a much harder line.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/iraq/la-fg-iraq1may01,0,3866897.story?coll=la-home-headlines
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 11:15 PM
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1. reputation for effectiveness and brutality- Freedom is on the march!
:eyes:
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 11:48 PM
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8. So these would be Negroponte's death squads then? n/t
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 11:15 PM
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2. New Boss
Same as the old boss!!!!!
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ECH1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 11:27 PM
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6. Allawi at least knew where the line was drawn
He knew how much violence he could do without enraging the Sunnis into an all out civil war. These guys have no damn clue. They want to bring in their ethnic militias into cities like Ramadi.
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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 11:19 PM
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3. Behold the pending and much predicted "Civil War".... n/t
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 11:23 PM
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5. and now I will have to agree with you. bush has been lucky so
far, but once this starts his little plan will go straight to hell.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 11:21 PM
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4. take out another city
it's bound to work sooner or later :nuke:

peace
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expatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 11:46 PM
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7. no matter how obvious it becomes that this is nothing other than civil war
the administration will bend over backwards before admitting it is such. Their denial will become so ridiculous to everyone. This will be one hellish summer on the people of Iraq and our troops over there... but we can only hope it will be only a harsher hell for Bush and Company.


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ECH1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 11:50 PM
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9. It isn't a civil war yet
there is only a small part of the Sunni community doing this. However, this could very well turn it into a civil war.
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Frederik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 07:58 AM
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20. I think you're right
most Sunnis aren't active insurgents, but a "crackdown" is going to target more or less every Sunni I fear, they can't possibly have any reliable intelligence of who the insurgents are and where they're hiding, or any good method of differentiating between insurgents and "ordinary" Sunnis. Hell, the US isn't able to, they seem to arrest people at random.

So it's reasonable to think that this will only fuel recruitment to the insurgencey, and then we'll have an escalation which can easily lead to a civil war.
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Theduckno2 Donating Member (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 12:01 AM
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10. The special forces units have a reputation for effectiveness and brutality
So did the elite Republican Guard under Saddam! Sounds like the same game with different faces. The Sunni insurgents are a threat to the State of Iraq, as were the Kurds, then Shiites, in the mind of Saddam Hussein. If Iraq descends into the chaos of full civil war, it is comforting to know that Chalabi is Petroleum Minister. :sarcasm: Just remember as Iraq was being looted we were there protecting the Petroleum Ministry (omitting the ammo dump with high explosives!).
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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 12:21 AM
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11. What were the % of Shiites under Saddam?
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Theduckno2 Donating Member (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 12:27 AM
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I don't know what % and please explain your question.
I'm a bit confused.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 12:27 AM
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12. With what? nt
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Theduckno2 Donating Member (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 12:58 AM
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14. Was your question meant for me?
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 07:45 AM
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17. No. Just wondering what they are going to "crack down" with?
You don't need to respond to a rhetorical question like that.
:hi:
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Roy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 12:53 AM
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13. Oh Shudder................
an insurgency not afraid to take on the 150,000 strong American military with the most modern and lethal weaponry in the world, will surely cower at the thought of having to deal with 'well trained Iraqi commandos'.

Oh my..... these insurgents are in for it now!! /sarcasm
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rigel99 Donating Member (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 01:28 AM
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15. Another Day, another blood soaked american dollar
earned...

same shit different day...

what else is new... dictators replacing dictators, in a country far more democratically minded than lazy americans who won't even fight for election fraud...

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rigel99 Donating Member (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 01:31 AM
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16. Oh Wait.. Rumsfeld Says the Insurgency Must be Going Down
we're not hearing about it as much..

right rumsfeld.. when you control the media like puppets that's the only way you can keep the americans in the dark of the true madness happening in Iraq...

ask any Iraqi.. they'd happily trade Saddam for this endless struggle and insurgency bloodshed....
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 07:47 AM
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18. That Will Go Over Like A Lead Balloon
There won't be peace until the Iraqis kick out the US and their(our) puppets, jail the brigands, and intermarry. Then they can concentrate on rebuilding.
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Frederik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 07:49 AM
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19. Insurgency crackdown
Euphemism for civil war.
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