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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 12:32 AM
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(California) State Court Blasts Violations of Miranda Rights | LA Times
State Court Blasts Violations of Miranda Rights

SAN FRANCISCO — In a ruling laced with words such as "misconduct" and "unconscionable," the California Supreme Court made it clear Monday that it no longer will tolerate the practice by some California police agencies of deliberately ignoring suspects' right to remain silent.

In doing so, the justices overturned the conviction of a man who was convicted of killing a 69-year-old who had given him a home.

The defendant confessed, but only after being "badgered" by a detective even after he had asked for a lawyer nine times, the court said. Police not only denied the 18-year-old suspect, Kenneth Ray Neal, access to a lawyer, they locked him up overnight without food, water or a toilet until he asked to speak to a detective and confessed, the justices wrote.

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chrisesq Donating Member (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 12:43 AM
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1. This is ridiculous.
This is such an established area of law that it is beyond my comprehension that police departments continue to violate this right.

For god's sake, this right was just reaffirmed by the SCOTUS just a few short years ago.

Of course here were a few that voted to not reaffirm the right. Any guesses on who that was?
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 01:10 AM
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3. Don't really know, but I would say Renquist, Scalia & Uncle Tom
only a guess, but did I get it correct, any prizes :hi:
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chrisesq Donating Member (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 01:12 AM
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4. Ding, DIng, Ding--Actually it was just Scalia and Thomas, close enough
Edited on Tue Jul-15-03 01:16 AM by chrisesq
The prize of course is Herr Ashcroft will come to your house and sing "Let The Eagles Soar" for you and your loved ones.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 01:19 AM
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5. But didn't they just rule that it's ok to coerce as long as you don't
use it in court? A California case that I am ashamed to say Bill Lockyer argued FOR coersion. Not really involved in crim but thought they ruled in favor of the state on that one this year~
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chrisesq Donating Member (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 01:25 AM
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6. I wouldn't go so far as to say that coersion is permissible
However, it is correct in that statements made in custody without the Miranda warning first being given are not able to be used in court.

There are some exceptions to that general rule, but I doubt you want a criminal procedure lecture.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 01:54 AM
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7. Sorry, it was a tort claim for coersive interrogation
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 12:35 PM
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8. Hi chrisesq!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 12:45 AM
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2. Rose Byrd is smiling from heaven after having died a lonely dejected
death. Funny thing is, all but one of Cally's SCJ's are Repub appointees who benefitted from Byrd's departure (via the vicious RW attacks on her by the likes of Deukmejian) and now honor her sense of justice with this ruling!! :D

Rose Byrd gets that LAST LAUGH!!!!

As for the perp, the police have no one to blame but themselves if he walks again.
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