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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 09:42 PM
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Bush more certain than ever on Iraq war
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/04/24/MNGDTCEA991.DTL

Two years after his much-maligned "mission accomplished'' speech aboard the aircraft carrier Abraham Lincoln, President Bush and his foreign policy team are trumpeting developments in the Middle East as a vindication of his Iraq policy.

The orderly selection of a new government in Iraq, the announced departure of Syrians from Lebanon, the election of a new Palestinian leader, and elections in Egypt and Saudi Arabia have breathed life into a foreign policy that many predicted would be the president's undoing.

Hardly a day goes by without Bush, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice or another senior administration official speaking publicly about the "march of freedom'' and the success of the Iraq invasion in securing peace.

"There's a movement toward freedom around the world,'' Bush said in an interview with a Lebanese television station this past week. "I believe that a true free society, one that self-governs, one that listens to the people, will be a peaceful society -- not an angry society.''

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teach1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 09:44 PM
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1. Are you even listening to what you say, Mr. Bush?
"I believe that a true free society, one that self-governs, one that listens to the people, will be a peaceful society -- not an angry society.''


It's worth a try in the United States.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 10:00 PM
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10. Bush scores another on the irony meter. nt
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 10:02 PM
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11. That's right
The idiot ought to practice what he preaches. Funny how he wants a free and peaceful society but wants to blow up every country he has a grudge against,and he wants no angry people? Khrist,this would be so laughable if it wasn't so damn serious and sad. What a waste bu$h is.This moron is the worst thing that could ever have happened to this country and the entire world. I sincerely believe he is worse than any terrorist. It's like watching a never ending tornado.I've never been so scared and felt so insecure in all my life. When President Clinton was in office,I could go to sleep a heck of a lot easier,knowing we had a President who really CARED about his country,and who did his best to protect us and meant it when he said it.This clown we have now is so radical and filled with such hate,added with all this power it's just a matter of time and it will be :nuke: for all of us. I wonder if anyone else is as scared as I am? :scared:
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Gyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 10:06 PM
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14. Well said. NT
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 10:09 PM
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16. Thanks!
:hi:
Are you scared too?
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 07:56 AM
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39. A fine example of the type of dichotomous chants which emanate from
high Administrtation officials daily: the sheeple eat it up.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 09:44 PM
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2. The end justifies the means.
Who cares if there were no weapons of mass destruction pointed at the USA?

Worth every damn cent of that $300 billion, too, if you ask any real patriot.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 10:03 PM
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12. But, but, but, the end sucks too!
I mean, is there a stable democratic peaceful prosperous Iraq?

Is that what we got for our 1500 dead and $300 billion and tens of thousands of Iraqi dead?

I just WISH the end could be argued to justify the means! I just WISH Bush could argue that things are so good in Iraq that all his lies and incompetence in starting the war were for the best!

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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 10:30 PM
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24. As it is in bush's mind, so it is in reality.
It's his world and we merely live in it.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 09:46 PM
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3. HAHAHAHA..........Lyndon Johnson felt the same way about Vietnam....
and look where it got him, and the thousands of Americans who were maimed, PTSD'd and Dead from what Lyndon and his many advisors THOUGHT was going on because they couldn't peel the scales from their eyes.

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mrdmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 11:46 PM
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33. That is not exactly true
Lyndon Johnson said, "They are going to take this war and shove it right my ass".

The man had no illusions about the Vietnam war and his political hopes.

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Massachusetts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 07:47 AM
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38. WHY DO WE FORGET SO EASILY!!!!!
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 09:46 PM
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4. And I'm more certain than ever that bu$h is a delusional
mentally unbalanced freak of nature.What a disgusting pile of shit-for-brains. :puke:
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 09:47 PM
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5. Bush more psycho than ever.....
Reality doesn't touch these people.

Years from now, just as with the Viet Nam war, we will learn the details of
the damage we have done--to the country and its people, to the youngsters
we sent to do our dirty work, to our credibility as a country, and to the
attempts of people world wide to end the cycle of war, war, war.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 09:48 PM
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6. "I believe that butterflies are free!"
WTF is this shit? A totally empty, meaningless non-statement, that's what! What the fuck else do you think, George? That puppies are soft and cuddly? That green grass between your toes on a summer day feels good? Any other observations of othe obvious you'd like to lay on us? Maybe this time, you could make a statement that is actually a direct response to the question asked, not a sentence strung together from the Foreign Policy Fridge Magnet Set you effing moron!
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spacelady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 10:14 PM
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19. FPFMS = Funny yet so tragically true! n/t
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 09:49 PM
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7. Bush = glossalalia
I don't even listen anymore. There's no content there.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 09:53 PM
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8. A pathetic Silverspoon Sociopath
Edited on Sun Apr-24-05 09:56 PM by Disturbed
Hitler was also a Sociopath but he was not a puppet. Comparisons to Hitler are not apt. Perhaps one to Musollini are more accurate.

If we lived in a sane world the entire Bush Junta would be in prison for life.
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 09:58 PM
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9. I never understood the right wingers who compared * to Reagan...
but now I've had 5 years of this man's mental illness, I'm starting to see the connection... :crazy:
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 10:07 PM
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15. No, Bush is far worse
This is why I actually felt something I thought I'd never feel when Reagan died last June: a willingness to go back to Ronald Reagan's America, as that would be preferable to George W Bush's America. Of course, I greatly prefer Bill Clinton's America to either one of them. But Reagan only looks like a moderately bad president compared to Bush the Baby.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 11:04 PM
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25. Reagan was the beta version of bu$h
Reagan was mean, spiteful, hateful, stupid, and a wannabe warmonger, but at least he was more or less kept under control
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 11:21 PM
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28. I think it's harder for handlers to manipulate an old fool...
than it is to work a boy over. Junior has the emotional maturity of a teenager.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 11:36 PM
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31. Several things kept the old fool back
1) Amerika wasn't quite as dumbed down back then (although "dumb" was rapidly gaining in popularity)

2) There was at least a Democratic House which, while often siding with Reagan (because of the contemptible "boll weevils"), still got to keep control of the House agenda (and make the old fool compromise at times). And the Dems won the Senate back in '86 and pretty much put the lid on any more excesses.

3) The Fairness Doctrine was still in effect for most of the old fool's term.

4) The Supreme Court apparently still had a modicum of control over the excesses of the executive branch.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 10:03 PM
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13. Exporting Freedom with every breath he takes
Got far too much of it here, that's for sure.

Get them Syrians out of them Lesbians anyway; that ain't right.

Can't do nothin' 'bout the Saudis, let's just hope we control the frontier when them Watta-ya-call-'em-Wahabis blow their stack for real. Now if I could only take down them Eye-ranians, we'd really be onto something. Hell, let's just do it anyway. Can't hurt none, resta them Mooslims hate 'em anyway.

'Sall about the oil muchacho; this godcrap's just for show.
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 10:16 PM
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21. Pure poetry Purity of E.
n/t
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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 10:12 PM
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17. War Criminal



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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 10:13 PM
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18. News Flash: Bush Announces Discovery of Saddam's WMDs at Santa's Workshop
From the Jack Rabbit News Service
Dated Sunday April 24

Bush Announces Discovery of Saddam's WMDs at Santa's Workshop

By Jack Rabbit

George W. Bush, who styles himself as President of the United States, announced today that the mysterious biochemical stockpile of Saddam Hussein has been discovered in an underground bunker underneath Santa's workshop at the North Pole.

Santa Claus has been taken into custody as a suspected terrorist. Mr. Bush said he is now on a plane to Saudi Arabia, "where our friends are free to use more persuasive methods on him in order to prevent more terrorists attacks."

Mr. Bush also said that this discovery, along with documentation of ties between Saddam, Osama and Santa Claus, fully justified his actions in Iraq.

The incriminating documents were found in Santa's top desk drawer with a list identifying Mr. Bush, his daughters, Jenna and Barbabra, his niece, Noelle, and his brothers, Jeb and Neil, as "naughty".

"I'm very disappointed in Santa Claus," said Mr. Bush. "However, I guess we should have suspected something of someone who spreads joy and gifts to all children in the world, regardless of economic worthiness. I mean, how are children supposed to learn responsibility if this man continues to give them gifts just for being good? They should have to pay for their toys and learn to appreciate them better."

Read more.


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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 11:28 PM
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30. It's all lies about Santa. They found a motherlode of oil under his
workshop.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 10:15 PM
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20. This MF lives in the twilight zone. (nt)
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 10:17 PM
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22. Can you imagine a car bomb each day going off in the US?
Daily assassinations of police officers and public officials? Members of the military being taken to soccer stadiums and executed and our leadership boasting about freedom and democracy?
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 10:21 PM
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23. bush* doesn't read the papers, or he would see...
"But on the streets of this once-liberal port city -- which years ago featured a row of casinos and bars along its waterfront -- Islamist militias already have begun imposing a harsh version of Islamic law that has shocked many residents.

"They have managed to impose a republic of fear," said Yasser Qassim, a local journalist who publishes stories under a pen name out of fear for his safety."
link


He would also learn that the potempkin (made for American TV) elections have not produced an Iraqi government, and is not likely to produce a government. Unless a miracle occurs, the elections in Iraq are a miserable failure!

He certainly knows that ACTS of Terrorism have INCREASED in frequency and intensity. I KNOW he knows that fact because he ordered that report suppressed, and he eliminated the organization that produces this yearly report.


So, who ya gonna believe:

bush*?
or
your lyin eyes!!!


The scary thing is that 49% of the voters,
like the abused wives they are,
believe bush*,
who has lied to them repeatedly
and continues to lie to them daily.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 11:14 PM
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26. SELECTION of an Iraqi "government" says it all; and scuse me but WHAT
Edited on Sun Apr-24-05 11:15 PM by LynnTheDem
Iraqi government would that be???

The Syrians leaving had NOTHING to do with bush, it's because a much-loved former president was assassinated...or did bush do the assassination?

Palestine has held elections for YEARS and this one had NOTHING to do with bush...unless bush killed off Arafat?

Egypt and Saudi also have held elections for years now and yet women STILL aren't allowed to vote in one of the most oppressive states in the mideast...bush's buddy Saudi.

And thanks to bush, TERRORISM HAS INCREASED and is still INCREASING and is now at the highest level since 1982.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 11:15 PM
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27. So, when do we start seeing these self-governing societies?
Ain't got one here and ain't got one in Iraq.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 11:24 PM
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29. Thousands of dead Americans, tens to hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqi
Plus hundreds to thousands from assorted other nations, and he is now more sure than ever.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 11:46 PM
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32. It hasn't worked here
What about our own extremists? Until we understand why we breed extremists who resort to terrorism here, we can't possibly know how to stop it anywhere.

http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/default.asp?view=plink&id=770
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wookie294 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 12:34 AM
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34. Clinton spreads freedom throughout Middle East
Imagine if Clinton claimed credit for this....

Iranians look for economic help from Friday's election
May 19, 1997
Web posted at: 12:05 p.m. EDT (1605 GMT)

TEHRAN, Iran (CNN) -- Iranian voters will have the economy on their minds Friday as they go to the polls to select a new president. Rising prices and unemployment are the chief complaints among Tehran's population, particularly the young.

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9705/19/iran.elex/index.html


Palestinians turn out for historic vote
January 20, 1996
Web posted at: 6:15 a.m. EST (1115 GMT)

From Correspondent Walter Rodgers and wire reports

WEST BANK (CNN) – Polls opened in Gaza, the West Bank, and East Jerusalem early Saturday, giving Palestinians their first chance to do something they have never done before: vote. Election officials say the early turnout to choose a president and legislative council is heavy.

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9601/palestine_elex/


On Nov. 30, 1998, Syria held an election to choose a 250-seat assembly!

WAY TO GO BILL!

http://edition.cnn.com/WORLD/election.watch/meast/syria.html

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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 05:29 AM
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35. "MARCH OF FREEDOM?" don't the stupid bastards know that freedom is FREE?
THAT IT DOES NOT MARCH? THAT IT IS NOT FORCED? that it cannot be dictated?

THE STUPID BASTARDS ARE RE-WRITING THE ENTIRE DEFINITION OF WORDS ...

MERRIAM-WEBSTER AND THE OTHER DICTIONARIES OF RECORD OUGHT TO STOP THE STUPID BASTARDS FROM UPSTAGING THEIR WORK.

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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 05:36 AM
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36. THEN WHY AM I SO PISSED?
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Massachusetts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 07:45 AM
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37. "one that listens to the people, will be a peaceful society "




Right....the S.O.B (little king georgie),knows so much about war and peace! F him!
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 07:56 AM
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40. He's trying to take responsibility for the Palestinians' election?
What did he do, have Arafat knocked off? He believes Americans have short memories, and I guess in our dumbed-down society many of them do, but that is absurd and the Palestinians should be madder than hell.

"...from the foreign policy fridge magnet set..." Bwaaaahahahahahaha! I love it, Atman.
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