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Mister K Donating Member (338 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 09:17 AM
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Greenspan Warns Rising Deficits Endanger Economy
Greenspan Warns Rising Deficits Endanger Economy

Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan warned on Thursday that unless lawmakers come to grips with spiraling U.S. deficits, the economy was at risk of stagnation "or worse."

"Under existing tax rates and reasonable assumptions about other spending ... projections make clear that the federal budget is on an unsustainable path, in which large deficits result in rising interest rates and ever-growing interest payments that augment deficits in future years," Greenspan said in testimony prepared for a Senate Budget Committee hearing.

He said the danger was that deficits would keep rising as a percentage of total national output.

"Unless that trend is reversed, at some point these deficits would cause the economy to stagnate or worse."

http://beta.news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050421/ts_nm/economy_greenspan_dc_1&printer=1
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 09:18 AM
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1. He should have been warning this 3 YEARS AGO!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 09:20 AM
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2. No kidding.
Why are the just now a problem? What a whore...
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 01:49 PM
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23. Which tells one everything he/she need know about Greeenspan's politics
and/or competency and it ain't pretty.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 10:01 AM
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41. That's right... either he's a flip-flopper who doesn't know his stuff
...or he's been a big Bush whore for the last five years.

My answer is BUSH WHORE and he needs to be replaced with someone who gives a damn about all the American people, not just the rich ones!
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 09:22 AM
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3. Okay, Alan. We can't bug out of Iraq until 2007. So, who do we jettison
first - the retirees, the widows or the orphans?

Anyone ever ask you: how much does it cost to operate the Federal Reserve, anyway? Thanks for your retirement letter, in advance.

:bounce:
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 09:55 AM
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4. projections make clear that the federal budget is on an unsustainable path
Didn't we hear just a couple of months ago from this same incompetent "Deficits Unsustainable". I'm sure Republicans will pay just as much attention now as they did then..
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BillZBubb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 10:27 AM
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5. Greenspan is a piece of right wing SH_T
Now the deficits are a problem? Why didn't Count Dracula point that out when he was pimping Busholini tax cuts? If he's such a friggin economic whiz he, like the rest of us, would have figured that out about four years ago.

Shine some daylight on that cadaver. Watch him go up in flames.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 12:13 PM
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18. Greenspan sucks Bush ____ (fill in blanks); He is a total shill
and is playing into the Bush plan to get rid of every social program Americans have had for decades.
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Stuckinthebush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 10:49 AM
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6. Didn't he advocate for tax cuts a few years ago?
Wow. This guy either doesn't know what he is talking about, or is an administration shill.

Of course, his shilling for the tax cut now is looking pretty stupid, so he becomes a deficit hawk to try to save face? I don't get it.
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 02:50 PM
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24. Absolutely. From the NYT article about his warning
"Although Mr. Greenspan in 2001 approved the tax cuts that helped take the federal budget from a surplus to its current deficit, he has increasingly pointed to the dangers of the shortfall, saying it can lead to higher interest rates as the government's revenues fall."
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/21/business/21cnd-fed.html?hp&ex=1114142400&en=59e516b29b532879&ei=5094&partner=homepage

And from the same article:

"Mr. Greenspan did not suggest specific ways to balance the budget, but he has leaned towards cutting spending rather than raising taxes."


This, of course, is because if Greenspan were to suggest raising taxes now it would be an admission to screwing up then.
Letting the economy go in the toilet is okay by Greenspan, just so long as he never has to admit he screwed the pooch in 2001.

"Being a neo-con means never having to say you're sorry"
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lanlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 10:50 AM
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7. what an ugly weasel
He endorsed the very tax cuts that have landed us in this situation.
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HarveyBrooks Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:09 AM
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10. And I'm sure...
his solution will be to cut federal spending - which was the plan from the beginning.
Just keep cutting taxes until the deficit gets totally out of control and then say the only way to fix it is to drastically cut spending.
Rolling back Chimpys' tax cuts for the rich won't even be on the table ("it will ruin the economy" they'll whine) and the poor and working class will get screwed again.

I honestly don't know how these people can sleep at night.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 10:54 AM
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8. Hmmm, unsustainable deficits, huh Alan?
So, whaddya think? Another round of tax cuts for the overrich? Permanent repeal of the estate tax? I mean, if the shit's going to come down, you and your wealthy pals will want to be sure you've got a big ol' mountain of money to sit on top of, safe from the rabble.
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Rambis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 10:59 AM
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9. Wow no shit?
Couldn't fuckin believe that!
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:09 AM
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11. So has he spoken out against privatizing Social Security yet?
Bush's plan to piratize SS would substantially grow the deficit, but I hear nothing but silence from Greenspan. Or will Mr. Greenspan advocate drastically cutting SS benefits? Start stocking up on dog food folks before the cost of it and everything else is out of reach for people living on fixed incomes.
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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:10 AM
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12. he's just covering his ass when the US economy collapses
by saying this.

He agreed with the tax cuts, he's said to revamp social security
(more Bush propaganda) never mentions Medicare/Medicaid (the
real crisis) and now says this when anyone knows
we have a looming disaster.

Note that our congress completely ignores the dire warnings and
the Shrub denial is a given.
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:13 AM
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13. He just fucking noticed?
Time for that senile douchebag to be put out to pasture. Or taken to the rendering plant.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:16 AM
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14. Oh, why all the doom and gloom?
Didn't we know all of this already? Didn't we know that the economy was heading for a brick wall?

It appears as if moron greenback or greenspan just woke up to that fact because he decided to leave his ivory tower and walk among the commoners.

And given morons* proclivity for economic frivolity, it appears as if the "or worse" scenario is likely. I think that little comment from greenback is his attempt at telling the people in the know that the days of "brother can you spare a dime" are just around the corner.

So if the last week and a half in the stock market has been any indication as to how things are fairing, you should be seeing some major selling off any day now as the news seeps into the public consciousness.

Instead of the old song, "we're in the money", the new catchy tune will be, "we're out the money"

We're out the money
We're out the money
We don't have two cents to rub together to help us get along....
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FlyByNight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:56 AM
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15. Better late than never, right?
Hey Al, people were screaming about this since Bush took office.

Partisan hack. :puke:
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 12:02 PM
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16. Shocking! No wonder he gets paid the big bucks.
:eyes:
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Morose Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 12:13 PM
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17. Have to wonder if he sees it getting so bad that it
affects HIS millions....nah.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 08:45 AM
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31. Of course! Didn't you know?
The Repugs reward incompetence in high places with big bucks-- and promotions.
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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 12:14 PM
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19. Getting just slightly behind the curve
instead of ahead of the curve and hoping it will be seen, when people begin to focus, as being "prescient".

What a genius.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 12:17 PM
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20. Hey Dickhead Greenspan:
Apologize to Krugman. Now.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 12:33 PM
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21. Bwaahaa...Good observation there, Homer....gonna take some heat off
Edited on Thu Apr-21-05 12:36 PM by Zorra
the republicans for the upcoming tax hikes before you quit and leave us in the economic hell that you, Bush and the rest of the fascist republicans created, are ya?
:rofl:
Aren't you the Fed Chairman? Aren't you and Bush and republicans the fascist corporate whores responsible for these deficits?

Get a life.

Absolutely no quarter for the republicans that destroyed the economy!



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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 01:40 PM
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22. There's a DEFICIT? Who knew? Lordy, he must be a sharp one to
have figured that out. Why - up to the end of 2000, we were running record surpluses. What happened in 2000?
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 03:02 PM
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25. A tad bit late
wouldn't you say, MR. Greenspan. I lost all respect for him about 3 years ago when he bought his very own personal knee-pads.

Jenn
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triguy46 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 03:28 PM
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26. what a butthead
And to what and to whom do we owe (literally) this deficit to?

Good Lord!!! The cows are out!!! Shut the gate!!!
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triguy46 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 03:29 PM
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27. and he gets paid how much for this insight?
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sundancekid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 05:26 PM
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28. even WaPo socks it to him ... yea, how about those tax cuts? go Sarbanes!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6620-2005Apr21.html

~snip
Greenspan Renews Warning on Budget Deficits

By Nell Henderson
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, April 21, 2005; 3:06 PM

Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan said today that his support for tax cuts in early 2001 unintentionally encouraged policies that helped swing the federal budget from surplus to record deficits. In addition, he said for the first time explicitly that he expected tax increases to be part of any bipartisan agreement on deficit reduction.

~snip
Sarbanes chided the Fed chief that he is well aware of how Congress works, and he should have known lawmakers might not heed all his cautions.

Sarbanes said he believed it was "fair" for lawmakers to see Greenspan's 2001 remarks "as a green light to the tax cuts," which were enacted without any triggers.

"I plead guilty to that," Greenspan said. "I did not intend it that way."
~snip

Who's your daddy now, Alan?
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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 05:34 PM
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29. Well, no shit.
I have been teaching this in my high school eco classes since 2001.
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pelagius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 05:40 PM
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30. Is Greenspan a research fellow at the Duh Institute?
Of course spending more than you take in is bad news!!

Even the Republicans I know (and there's a lot of 'em around here) are getting p'o'd about the deficit.

I like to use this line on anyone who will listen: "The only thing worse than a tax-and-spend Democrat is a don't-take-and-spend-anyway Republican."
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 09:12 AM
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32. What An Idiot!
All he had to do was read the paper i had published in JUSE back in 1992. Of course, he wouldn't have understood the mathematical detail, but the conclusions, even he would get.

What a tool!
The Professor
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Quetzal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 09:43 AM
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33. WaPost: Greenspan Renews Warning on Budget Deficits (Oh, now you tell us)
Greenspan Renews Warning on Budget Deficits

Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan said today that his support for tax cuts in early 2001 unintentionally encouraged policies that helped swing the federal budget from surplus to record deficits. In addition, he said for the first time explicitly that he expected tax increases to be part of any bipartisan agreement on deficit reduction.

But Greenspan, responding to questions during a Senate Budget Committee hearing today, said it was unfair for critics to ignore the warnings in his January 2001 congressional testimony that the surplus forecasts might be wrong, and his recommendation of some "trigger" mechanism that would limit tax cuts if certain budget targets were not met.

"I think its frankly unfair" for critics to blame him for the fact that Congress chose to "read half my testimony and discard the rest," Greenspan said, venting his frustration on the issue publicly for the first time, in response to a question from Sen. Paul Sarbanes (D-Md.).

Sarbanes chided the Fed chief that he is well aware of how Congress works, and he should have known lawmakers might not heed all his cautions.

more...

Greenspan Renews Warning on Budget Deficits

This sack of shit is directly responsible for putting America on the road to financial ruin. His constant whoring for the * tax cuts, not once, not twice, but THREE TIMES makes him directly responsible for whatever financial mess we are in.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 09:43 AM
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34. Where the f has Greenspan been these past several years?
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 09:43 AM
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35. Its All Part Of The Grover Norquist Plan - "Starve The Beast"
Greenspan is merely fulfilling his role as actor stating the obvious so Norquist's minions, Republican Politicians, can justify cutting social programs.

With Republicans, one must always look behind the curtain to ascertain the real agenda.
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priller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 09:43 AM
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36. What a whiny baby
He tries to wiggle out of his share of the blame by saying he didn't endorse any specific plan, or that they ignored part of his testimony. He's not that naive. The Pukes went to that hearing looking for a green light from Greenspan and he gave it to them.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 09:43 AM
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37. He sold himself down the river
It is too late to now whine about there being no paddle in the canoe.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 09:43 AM
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38. Uh-oh big deficits?
Gee I guess we need to have another round of billionaire tax cuts. But perhaps, just to be prudent, we should raise the FICA tax on hard working squeezed at both ends middle class families to help subsidize those billionaire tax cuts. Yes that would only be right. And for sure, don't adjust that AMT, that kind of irresponsible behavior would encourage idleness and sloth among the sheeple.
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Mark E. Smith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 09:43 AM
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39. Regrets For The Contract He Signed With Satan
A fairly common reaction among the damned.
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DeaconBlues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 09:43 AM
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40. So, I guess he's finally admitting that trickle-down, voodoo economics
don't work. Now we need somebody to tell the rest of the right-wing business crowd that when you take something out of the pot it doesn't magically grow back.
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mia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 09:21 AM
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42. Interesting discussion about Greenspan here
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