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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 04:20 PM
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Democrats want a special investigation; GOP sees partisan politics
(09-30) 13:56 PDT WASHINGTON (AP) --

Congressional Democrats called Tuesday for an independent probe into whether the White House illegally revealed an undercover CIA officer's identity. The GOP accused the minority party of using the issue for political gain.

Democratic leaders condemned the disclosure of the name of the CIA officer, who is the wife of former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV, a prominent critic of Bush's Iraq policy.


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/09/30/national1652EDT0731.DTL


How come it's only partisan politics if it's something that Dems want? That logic simply must be refuted. :mad:
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Homer12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 04:25 PM
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1. I suppose they didn't see partisan politics when they...
tried and FAILED to impeach Bill Clinton.

What a bunch of hypocrites! They know they are, all you freepers lurcking are hypocrites as well, you spineless worms.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 04:27 PM
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2. Having RNC head Ed Gillespie on Inside Politics
was the height of CNN's hypocrisy in featuring
this alleged crime as politics as usual.

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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 04:28 PM
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3. Oh no it isn't partisan politics
when the repbs impeached Clinton for getting a blowjob, it wasn't partisan politics when they killed Hillary's health care plan before it got started, it wasn't partisan politics when they put Susan McDougal in prison for basically no reason, but it is partisan politics when the Dems want to find out who the criminals are? Its been said many many times but it must be said again, WHAT A BUNCH OF ASSHOLES THE REPUBS ARE!!!!!!!
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 04:33 PM
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4. Wasn't this established as a federal crime...
...when Bush the elder was in office? If the same thing is happening now that was happening then, well gee, it would /seem/ that it's not something that applies to one party.

And if it's partisan politics or not, who cares? If it happened, it happened. It would only be unfair if some Democrat did it too and they didn't call for an investigation.

I don't have much information on if there was an actual incident that established this as a federal crime back then, though. Anyone?
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FubarFly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 08:14 PM
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20. Hehe. Here's a quote from the popster himself:
“I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the trust by exposing the names of our sources. They are, in my view, the most insidious of traitors.”
- President George H.W. Bush, 4/29/99

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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 04:34 PM
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5. If they don't like partisan politics, then
they should join the dems in their call for an independent probe. Then it won't be partisan any more. Takes two to play this "partisan" game.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 04:34 PM
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6. MSNBC and other polls are demonstrating that average Murikans...
soccer moms and nascar dads are all in favor of an independent investigation. It will take 24-36 hours for this to sink in, but it will.

My advice is enjoy this.
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diplomats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 04:40 PM
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7. Are those online polls?
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 06:06 PM
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15. Here are a couple of online polls
Edited on Tue Sep-30-03 06:10 PM by rocknation
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=438238

P.S. Welcome to DU, LeftIsBest, Levchernyi, and Sannnum!


rocknation

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LeftIsBest Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 04:43 PM
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8. Attack bush on real issues
As a democrat... this is the last thing on my list because we all know that it won't damage Bush in anyway and doesn't have real effects on peoples' lives. As far as i'm concerned there are two types of dems. The ones that care about making this country better. And than there are the beltway dems that dont' really care about doing anything for citizens, they just care about jumping on the bandwagon of critics so that they can look good for the cameras. Pelosi and Daschle dissapoints me. Hopefully you guys on Democratic underground can help to recycle these old cats.

What i'm trying to say is DEAN 04'
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LevChernyi Donating Member (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 05:47 PM
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13. Bush is supposedly the "security" guy
All he has in his favor is a bloodthirst foreign policy supposedly aimed at "terrorism". If he is the "security" guy he shouldn't be sacrificing intelligence assets over vindictive little games. It's a very valid issue.
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damnraddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 06:29 PM
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17. The CIA thinks it's serious.
They can lose 'intelligence assets' -- read, their informants can be murdered over this. And Poppy ran the CIA. I'll bet that HE takes it seriously.
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Snellius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 04:49 PM
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9. It's partisan politics NOT to investigate treason
just because it's the leader of your own party who's harboring the traitor.
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Sannum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 05:12 PM
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10. Where is the crime
...It is not as if he got a consentual blowjob or anything...
(sarcasm off)
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 05:28 PM
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11. Haven't you heard?
This incident is the newest version of a WH blowjob. Only this time, they "blew" a CIA agent's cover.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 05:30 PM
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12. Wait a minute....
Weren't the calls to the various journalists in an act of revenge, the most blatant demonstration of partisan politics we've ever seen? Farking hypocrits.
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Nottingham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 05:54 PM
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14. Karma this is Karma! Vindictiveness Backfires! Abuse of Power
leads to loss of power!

Its called Karma :bounce:
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damnraddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 06:24 PM
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16. It doesn't matter whether or not it's partisan politics.
It's a legitimate scandal -- about something important, for a change (from the Clinton years, I mean). Be it as partisan as possible, there needs to be an independent counsel.

But what is making it partisan? Republican resistance to an independent counsel. Watergate: there were Republicans calling for an investigation (self-serving, yes, but still doing the calling). Various Clinton attacks, Democrats joined the chorus. This time it's partisan, because no Republicans are saying 'this is serious and merits an independent counsel.'
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 07:58 PM
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18. Partisan politics? That another way of saying "Damn, you got us"?
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Mikhale Donating Member (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 08:10 PM
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19. Partisan Politics
If you want to see partisan politics, come down here to Texas and watch the redistricting. I can't believe DeLay's hypocrisy. Wait, yes I can believe it.
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are_we_united_yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:27 PM
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21. Partisan politics....hmmmmm
Like the impeachment of Bill Clinton for zippergate?
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:28 PM
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22. Not partisan politics?
DeLay has his head up his ass even further than usual.

Partisan politics is NOT agreeing to an independent counsel when the crime is so heinous. Remember, this crime was described as despicable by our current pResident's own father when HE inacted it.

The reason for an independent counsel should be clear even to the bugman - this WH is the most secretive and coniving ever. They obscure ALL truth - there is absolutely no reason to expect them to willing cooperate and be forthcoming with any information that may aid this investigation.
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 11:22 PM
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23. Their claim of "partisan politics" IS PARTISAN POLITICS.
They are only protecting their own party members by investigating their own party by their own party.

No Bush appointee should be allowed to pick the independent panel, least of all Ashcroft.
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