Retired CIA call for the resignation of the Vice President

[indictrichardperle]

In open letter format, "VIPS", a group of retired CIA veterans call for the resignation of Cheney, the appointment of Brent Scrowcroft to head an investigation of the the faulty intelligence on Iraq, the immediate return of UN weapons inspectors to Iraq, and for UN peace-keeping troops to enter Iraq.http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4107.htm

(this is a powerful artice, a must read for DU)

[aquart]

1. Scowcroft is not acceptable to me.

He's a Poppy puppet.

[indictrichardperle]

3. in my opinion

there is an internal struggle between the pro-UN Bush 41 crowd, and the neo-cons led by the vice president.

This article is damning, it predicts the scandal is going to grow much worse if Cheney doesnt step down, it quotes Wilson as saying "what else are they lying about", it even states the neo-cons are contemplating planting WMDs in Iraq. Pretty powerful stuff by people who have their finger on the pulse of the CIA.

From the gist of this article, Condi and Bunker Dick are going to be exposed by the evidence.

[dArKeR]

37. Bill Bennett, which group is he in?

I don't even pretend to know as much as you guys do.

I'm wondering if the Bennett gambling addiction story has anything to do with this? I surely don't believe after 10 years of this being common knowledge it just so happpened to be printed last month.


William J. Bennett has made millions lecturing people on morality--and blown it on gambling.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2003/0306.green.html

[indictrichardperle]

38. Bennett is a neo-con insider

i believe he signed onto PNAC, and the letter demanding an Iraqi invasion. Im not sure who outed him, but i agree it was deliberate. He pissed somebody off.

[JoFerret]

53. Everyone is expendable

when it comes to Bush family values.

[tomp]

4. agreed.

in addition, while i support their call for the vp's resignation, i will never trust the cia, retired or no. they've spent too many years making a bad name for themselves serving the war mongers. they've got a long way to go to gain my trust. this is certainly a step in the right direction. we'll see how far it goes.

[JoFerret]

29. Nice to see the counter attack

let dog eat dog

[ronnykmarshall]

2. It's starting to heat up!

How much you wanna bet ol' Dick is gonna have "health issues"?

[JNelson6563]

5. I'd make that wager

talk about a "safe bet". I gotta wonder though, since Condor Rice has no babies, what'll she use in place of the only acceptable story for a woman to leave Team Bush (tendin' the wee ones)?

Seems to me Levin's got her in his site.

Julie

[Jackpine Radical]

6. Oh, yeah.

"Deep in the bowels" Condi. Levin mentioned that phrase every time he brought up the fake yellowcake story.

[SoCalDem]

44. They want her to run for CA governor..

:(

[MODemocrat]

31. Hope the door doesn't hit in the rear when he leaves

Talk about a disgrace, Dick Cheney is one of the worst.

[Star]

7. I don't like this.

So what if Cheney goes? He'll still be in charge. Just because he doesn't hold the title won't mean he won't hold the power behind the throne. And, this will leave him free to run Halliburton again.

This will just get * off the hook, and everything else will remain the same.

[chomskyite2]

10. cant vote em out....

cause we never voted em in...

double meaning?

[snippy]

11. You are probably right.

[RainDog]

21. which is why he needs to be tried for a felony.

I, for one, will not stand for Cheney merely being allowed to slip off the pubic radar, ala Perle who resigned from his chairmanship but remains to provide dubious, at best, guidance for Bush (oh, right, Perle, children will sing your praises...Take the bridge and lock them up, lock them up, lock them up...)

If Cheney wants to stonewall, like I said, I will do all I can to get another few hundred thousand, and I'm sure there are more than that who would be willing to go to the vp's residence and call for him to come out and accept his subpeona.

If they think they can make "cosmetic" changes and this will go away, they are wrong.

I have had it with these bastards.

[JoFerret]

30. Unfortunately

you could be right

[chiburb]

48. I DO like this!

If Cheney goes, in disgrace, can the Repugs even hope of winning in '04?
If VIPS has any clout (influence) at all, this is only the tip of the iceberg that will sink the Titanic (Cheney)!

[scottxyz]

58. Unless he goes... to jail

If we had a Democratic Congress - or if enough Republicans actually care about fixing our national-security apparatus - it wouldn't be too hard to put Cheney behind bars.

[RainDog]

8. Why aren't these guys on CNN, MSNBC, Bill Moyers, even Fuxed news?

this is the critical issue..or issues, in fact.

Cheney should be tried as a felon for conspiracy to defraud the American people, and conspiracy against an agency of the Federal Govt.

America needs to see that the bullies do not rule in a democracy...even a representative one...especially a representative one.

quote-
Equally important, it was Cheney who launched (in a major speech on August 26, 2002) the concerted campaign to persuade Congress and the American people that Saddam Hussein was about to get his hands on nuclear weapons—a campaign that mushroomed, literally, in early October with you and your senior advisers raising the specter of a “mushroom cloud” being the first “smoking gun” we might observe.

That this campaign was based largely on information known to be forged and that the campaign was used successfully to frighten our elected representatives in Congress into voting for war is clear from the bitter protestations of Rep. Henry Waxman and others. The politically aware recognize that the same information was used, also successfully, in the campaign leading up to the mid-term elections—a reality that breeds a cynicism highly corrosive to our political process.

The fact that the forgery also crept into your state-of-the-union address pales in significance in comparison with how it was used to deceive Congress into voting on October 11 to authorize you to make war on Iraq.

[David Zephyr]

9. Cheney Lost His Federal Court Appeal, Now the Rats Are Jumpin' Ship

The subpoena power is about to roll over Dick Cheney and the the pointing of fingers is already starting.

Dick Cheney is spoiled goods. Even the Supreme Court, as I have posted here, will not rule in his favor on hiding his Energy Meeting Minutes and Members from the American Public.

And with the threat of subpoena power hanging over the Vice President's office and staff, the Bushies are beginning to sweat like Nixon. They want to dump him fast before the lawsuit gets further along. That's why you see Brent Scrowcroft, of all people, getting out in front of the Dump Cheney Campaign...to control it.

As the old saying goes, when one is being run out of town with a gang of theives, get to the front immediately and pretend that you are leading a "parade".

Only two major problems: Dick and Lynn Cheney. They will not go quietly into the dark. They will not fall on their swords like the C.I.A. Director just did. No. They know too much.

Dick Cheney knows that, as I have posted before, that "the House of Saud holds the mortgage to the House of Bush" and that old man Bush and Osama family have long, long intimate relations. Cheney despises the Idiot Prince and will not allow himself to be "Agnewed" as Nixon's first Vice President.

Cheney will not step down. Lynn Cheney will make Martha Mitchell look like a choir girl on Easter in comparison when it comes to spilling the proverbial beans in leaked confessions to the public and press.

The only thing that is satisfying is watching all of these priviledged caucasians doing the Texas Two Step.

Whoever first said that "white men can't dance" had not yet witnessed this pair of Bush and Cheney on the ballroom floor.

Could someone request that the DJ turn the music up louder. This is getting too good to miss.

[RainDog]

12. excellent post...I think you've nailed it.

do you have a link to your post about the energy policy meeting?

I saw the Judicial Watch guy on Moyers the other night.

I hope Cheney squeals like the pig that he is, along with his repulsive wife.

may they both burn in hell for what they have done to this country, along with Rummy, Georgie, Condi, Wolfie and Perle. And Ashcroft in there for violating the Constitution and bill of rights and maybe we can be a sane nation again.

In fact, I'd be willing to go to Washington to tell Cheney goodbye...I'd welcome the chance to complete the karmic circle of repuke ops who yelled at Gore at the vp residence during 2000 .

These people should be tried as criminals. what they did, lying to go to war to win an election, is criminal and must not be allowed to go unpunished.

[David Zephyr]

13. Link. And More Thoughts on Lynn Cheney.

http://www.salon.com/news/wire/2003/07/08/cheney_energy/

Lynn Cheney holds all the cards. She won't let Dick go down quietly. She will not have his name historically linked with Spiro Agnew.

The Cheneys have more money that the Bush family. They can't be bought. Perhaps threatened by the Bushies, but not purchased.

Lynn Cheney won't stand for it. She'll rat them all out first.

[indictrichardperle]

15. Anybody check this part of the article ?

"Porter Goss bowed to pressure from Cheney to have the FBI sent to the hill, to investigate members of the joint congressional committee on 911 and their staff, at Cheney's insistence." (prior to the meeting of the joint congressional committee on 911))

Thats horrific.

[David Zephyr]

20. The Nation's Second Most Powerful Man.

After John Ascroft.

[RainDog]

25. why do you say this about the she-Cheney?

just wondering.

Cheney is a thug who has intimidated Congress, lied to the American people (with the help of his meat puppet, Bush) to send Americans into a war of aggression via psychological terrorism (the mushroom cloud as our first warning crap), he has been involved in a "conspiracy" to defraud the CIA...

if those things are not worthy of felony charges, as Dean mentioned, then what is??

[dusty64]

32. Are they planning any

trips on a small plane for them soon?

[Pallas180]

41. NO she won't. not publicly anyway. They'll fight to stay-but something

will be worked out....fine public servant retiring for
his health...convenient heart attack...blah blah...no charges,
just investigations that will force him out...

then it's wonderboy's turn. They'll be agnewed and he'll be
nixoned. ...or accidented. You can bet on it.

Come to think of it, Cheney and Rumsfeld were President Ford's
aids who talked him into giving Nixon a pardon. Think about
that.

[July]

17. Subpoena?

Isn't Cheney the guy who REFUSED TO ACCEPT A SUBPOENA at the WH? Somebody help me with the details -- I think the SS practically threatened whoever was serving the subpoena. At the time I thought "Imagine what would have happened during Clinton's presidency if his VP had refused a subpoena."

[David Zephyr]

18. Subpoenas to His Staff and Associates and Members of Committee

Cheney indeed as you point out did arrogantly reject a subpoena which I beleive came from Larry Klayman's Justice Watch, but I might be wrong.

The subpoenas always start at the bottom and build from there.

[Barrett808]

23. You are correct: it was Klayman/JW

He was floored, and compared the incident unfavorably to the Clinton White House.

[David Zephyr]

26. Thanks.

Thanks for straightening that out. I wasn't sure if it was Klayman or not.

I imagine that Klayman is happy with the Federal Court of Appeal's ruling.

The Supreme Court probably will let that ruling stand.

[Pastiche423]

43. Din't Klayman claim

his life had been threatened after the subpoena incident?

[nannygoat]

50. No, actually I think Klayman said that even the Clinton White House

never refused to accept a subpeona. Kind of a back-handed compliment, I guess.

[lanlady]

27. yup, that was Klayman's action

BTW, where's the Big Dick been lately? He hasn't been on the Sunday talk shows. Doesn't seem to be out fund-raising.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

52. Good post. VERY interesting points

The bottom line is WHO holds more power? and- What is the desired result and fallout for the Bushies?

[janx]

14. How reliable is this news source? I am unfamiliar with it.

If this is genuine, it should be forwarded to as many news outlets as possible.

[joeunderdog]

19. They basically predicted this before the war. They're credible.

When I look back at the 3/19/03 article below, I just wonder how any self-respecting politician--dem or repuke--can say "I didn't know..."

None of these WMD discoveries are Late Breaking News. Americans are just the last to admit that Sadaam was lying less than Dubya.

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0319-08.htm

[indictrichardperle]

24. "amateur intelligence agents in the pentagon"

The retired spooks are laying the forgeries and fraud at the feet of the OSP. Wolfowitz and Shulsky's little shop in the pentagon.

They charge "one branch of government is decieving and defrauding other branches of the same govt".....powerful stuff.

[alfredo]

36. the current agents could not do this

their brothers had to do it for them. Once a spook always a spook. there is a lot of love and respect for your brothers and sisters in the business.

They will do anything for the president because it is their job. But don't fuck with them, and don't fuck with the mission. The bush administration did both and now it is coming back to haunt them.

[crissy71]

55. yeah baby payback

Making Tenet take the fall last Friday must have sent these dudes over the edge - this letter is just blistering - there must be some spooks out there just seething!!

[chiburb]

56. Kristof mentions them (and this)

In his NY Times column today. There's a thread in GD about it.

[Imalittleteapot]

16. Another scapegoat?

Funny how they discover things just in the nick of time.

[0007]

22. A very good article

I know we have more than enough intelligent folks to fight this administration with all their lies. And their is enough evidence on them to bring 'em to their knees.

Why the hold up?

[Nottingham]

28. Cheney is the Man! He is up to his Neck in this one!

And CIA are after his Neck too!

Like I said I hope his Bunker is Big Enough

:bounce:

Impeach his Butt! :bounce:

[inthecorneroverhere]

33. needs to go major

This should go onto one of the major op-ed pages.

Either the NY Times (which probably won't print it), LA Times, Boston Globe, Washington Post, or Chicago.

[indictrichardperle]

34. enteterprising, energetic DUers

should make an effort to circulate this by fax, e-mail and snail mail to every newspaper and media outlet in the country.

[TennesseeWalker]

35. Getting rid of CHENEY is just what we need.

Rumsfeld, Rice, and PNAC will have to go. Bush will be told to nominate Frist for VP, Colin Powell will become more prominent, and the center (and enough of the left to calm stuff down) will be catered to more so than the right. They got IRAQ, Cheney didn't care whether he was VP or not, and we've effectively got what we wanted all along and still get to appear reasonable and noble to the rest of the world.

Its called "having your cake and eating it too". This country was built on it.

;) Sorry guys, I think this is real world stuff. Very, very Machiavellian (sp?) thinking....

as Bugs Bunny would say, "Meehhhh, COULD BE!"

[Pallas180]

39. Sorry, Colin Powell is toast. When you lay down with dogs, you get

up with fleas. More prominent in a pigs' eye.

No they'll all go. First will be Cheney, by the powers that
be, because they won't want a Cheney to be President.

The same modus operandi they used with Nixon. First they
got rid of Spiro Agnew, unsuitable as Pres. Then they got
Nixon.

The federal Court ruling against hiding Cheney's energy papers
is the first buh-bye for Cheney. The false niger paper knowledge
is the finishing touch, along with Rice.

Then they can go after the dim son.

[farmboxer]

40. Bush Is A Crook

surrounded by crooks!

[anamandujano]

42. Question re: the CIA and 911

As far as LIHOP or MIHOP are concerned, don't most think that Cheney, others and the CIA were the perpetrators? or at least the enablers? So, how would it work to bring down part of the cabal without setting oneself up for a fall?

I guess that one hand doesn't know what the other is doing and there might be honorable pockets of the CIA.

Anyone have any ideas on this?

[tomp]

45. that's why i'm not trusting the cia in any of this. n/t

[reprobate]

49. I think that there is, and always has been a "shadow cia"

It operated very well with Iran-Contra, the October surprize, etc.

I look at the cia as a two sided coin. You have the analysts, the big building in Langley, on one side, and on the other side is a cadre of operatives who work at the behest of the power structure ot the time.

The professional analysts want nothing to do with their opposite number. They view them as amatuers who will do nothing but soil the reputations of the professionals, while screwing up the country's policies.

[julka]

46. check this out

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=16966

#6.......Gergen mysteriously came up with Wilson's oped piece in the middle of the show and started reading from it.

they're definitely trying to shield Cheney.......

and I would dearly love to see his Dragon Lady of a wife hung out to dry publicly.....wipe that sneer off her face once and for all.

[Isere]

51. Dragon Lady's sneer

She will have to go running back to her plastic surgeon if you mess with her face! Her face lift is one of the worst I have ever seen. Somehow that seems fitting....

I'd love to see Cheney get his arse booted from the job, but I'm afraid that the wily Bushies would figure out a way to put in someone who would diffuse the issue and strengthen the ticket. Don't know if Powell is too damaged by this, but having him as #2 would draw new voters. Condi answers the call to be on the California recall ballot and goes home to California.... Tenet takes the hit and few other heads roll... The Princeling is now surrounded by a fresh team for the '04 election.

Beware what you wish for.

[Star]

54. Beware what you wish for

Cheney is just one of the many arms on this dragon. pointing the finger at him just points the finger away from dim son.

I want to see dim son disgraced, but really he's only a figurehead. I would be OK with Cheney going as long as that was just the beginning of the purge and not the end.

Tip of the iceberg, OK. We've got the culprit, not OK. Keeps the power in the wrong hands, and strengthens their bid for 2004.

[Cheswick2.0]

59. I think you are wrong

anything negative that wakes up americans is a good thing. Once this starts cheney leaving will open the flood gates.

[Beetwasher]

60. Cheney is actually THE big prize

You know it's serious when the fingers are being pointed at Cheney and he's hiding in his bunker. He's not out sneering and threatening anyone like he did with the "Bush Knew" fiasco because he's guilty as hell...Cheney is the brains behind the whole operation. You get Cheney and the whole thing collapses...

[Egnever]

47. Kick!

this ones worth it

[eek]

57. dick in the news and misc musings/queries

- Last week a story was sent around talking about dick's clean bill of health just received from his latest dr visit.
Gotta think that stuff is planted for a reason.
( sure gives new meaning to the expression "keep your dick clean!")

- What ever happened with all that blasting around dick's DC house? Remember there were TNT-type blasts day and night over there, it was making the neighbors nuts but the project was rushed yet secret (shock)

- Remember around 9-11 the WH admitted that there was a shadow gvmt, that congress and senate people are rotated in and out? Whatever beccame of that story?

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