Another School Shooting in a Canton Texas High School. football coach shot

[ElsewheresDaughter]

student left the building and school is on lockdown....no details yet...will post link when available

[BlueEyedSon]

1. Nice pic in your sig

[Sub Atomic]

2. Oh Christ

Here we go again.

But I'm going to presume it was not on an Indian reservation so I'm sure the media will be all over it.

And since it was Texas, I wonder how long before dubya makes some nonsensical proclamation on the sanctity of life and why we need to allow more guns in society.

:eyes:

[RaleighNCDUer]

6. Well, damn right. If the coach was just packing a gun... n/t

[AnnInLa]

30. Jeez, the NRA already wants we teachers to carry guns!

Of course, they want everyone to carry guns...but, they came out with that brilliant idea publicly. Talk about improvements to education..at gunpoint. The possibilities are endless.

[VelmaD]

3. Holy Shit!

I'm from that general area. I can remember going to "Trade Days" in Canton all the time when I was a kid. Eep.

[crispini]

4. I still go out there and antique.

:(

[lebkuchen]

5. This isn't why Americans feel the country is headed in the wrong direction

is it? Certainly, it has nothing to do with children shooting their peers and teachers.

Spring is in the air in TX, and the male hormones are running amok.

Hope we make it to June w/o a new school record.

[MrBenchley]

7. As long as the kid didn't hear about evolution or condom use...

....then this event was just a glorious celebration of "gun rights"....

By the way, did you know the NRA actually publishes a gun magazine for KIDS?

[donsu]

9. it's obscene to have a gun magazine for kids!

nt

[MrBenchley]

14. You got that right...

Part of the "culture of life"...

[0007]

50. When a kid practices abstinence the kid must know how to use

a gun to get off when super pissed.

BAN ALL GUNS

[lebkuchen]

10. What a culture

the kind limited to the contents of a petrie dish.

http://www.nra-kkk.org/

[MrBenchley]

13. Not only is every item in the RKBA creed a lie...

...but most of its supporters are the outright scum of the earth.

Check out the diseased fuckwits in congress calling themselves the Second Amendment Caucus some time.

[lebkuchen]

18. Reading about the halfwit repubs who support killing judges

is as much as I can stomach at the moment.

[MrBenchley]

37. In California just recently there was a gun rights loony

who shot a cop at a gas station to "stop the erosion of freedom"...

By the way, how does what Cornyn and Delay say differ in any way from a shakedown threat? "You got a nice little family, judge. It would be understandable if something happened to them, just cause you were active..."

[Mari333]

20. You have seen this one also, I assume = )

http://www.nra-kkk.org/

:)

[MrBenchley]

38. Right on the money...

another pointed satire from the folks behind Landover Baptist...

[entanglement]

58. Hilarious website that

:D

[jilln]

52. hunters are actually TARGETING kids

Since the percentage of hunters in the population goes down every year, there are all sorts of efforts to get new groups interested, especially children and women.

A few years ago I attended a Safari Club International expo. These are the big "trophy" hunters who feel the more endangered species they kill, the better they are ... anyway, the number of programs for kids to learn how to use guns was ASTOUNDING.

What you're seeing there is the desperation of a dying "sport".

[MrBenchley]

53. Hunting is a dying sport, and deservedly so...

Fewer than 6% of Americans hunt...and many people consider it similar to torturing household pets....

[jilln]

57. Yeah, I'll never understand...

why anyone thinks teaching kids to have no respect for life is a GOOD thing.

[MrBenchley]

59. Hunting is a national disgrace...

Every state's hunting program costs a lot more money to administrate than it takes in...and that's not taking into account the actual cost to the public of hauling injured hunters out of the woods, etc. A few years ago, one of the most destructive fires that hit California (whole towns were wiped out and several people were killed and injured) was started by a hunter who got lost and decided lighting the underbrush would signal rescuers.....

The entire rationale for deer hunting is that the deer population in the wild needs to be reduced...but a huge chunk of hunting takes place on "deer farms" where captive animals (sometimes disease-ridden) are raised for their trophy qualities...

And although every newsstand is filled with "noble hunter" stroke books and TV has plenty of hunting propaganda, any time the slightest criticism of this idiotic sport is raised in public, hunters en masse whine that the entire media is against them and demand that no more criticism be published.

[donsu]

61. prostitutes make a lot of money off of deer season too

don't forget them.

you know how prostitues follow the military? same thing with hunters.

[MrBenchley]

62. So do liquor stores...

Armed drunks in the woods....

[Mizmoon]

8. "I don't know if there is a cause-and-effect connection

but we have seen some recent episodes of schoolhouse violence in this country. Certainly nothing new, but we seem to have run through a spate of schoolhouse violence recently that's been on the news and I wonder whether there maybe some connection between the perception in some quarters on some occasions where teachers are making decisions yet are unaccountable to the public, that it builds up and builds up and builds up to the point where some people engage in -- engage in violence."

*this is a parody of what that lame repuke rep said about judges getting shot*

[reprobate]

51. More to eo with kids taught by the media that the answer to all problems

is violence. Everywhere you look, vidio games, tv, movies, killing is not only acceptable, it is the only answer. We started as a nation of violence and we will end as a nation of violence. I can see no other option.

[Wright Patman]

11. Read all about it here as it unfolds

http://www.smoaky.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=34893&page=1

Smoaky.com, based in Tyler, is the premier high schools sports message board in East Texas. Canton is only about 30 miles or less from Tyler. It's about 60 from Dallas.

[Dweezil44]

12. Sheesh.

Actually, the man involved in the shooting is not a student, but a guy in his mid-40s. Also, the guy shot is not only the football coach, but the athletic director for the high school.

Law enforcement officials have apparently been in contact with the shooter, who is said to be deranged and suicidal.

[Horse with no Name]

19. Sports in Texas is serious business

Make no mistake--especially in East Texas.
Many many parents of girls hire pitching coaches for over $100 an hour when their kids are 7 and 8 years old. These are people who can ill afford these luxuries.
For most kids in these little towns, it's the only way out and the parents will fight to give their kid the advantage--I guess some will even kill.

[Dweezil44]

21. Possibly the motive . . .

but no confirmation as of yet. Still, we've seen this kind of thing before in Texas -- remember the suburban Houston mom who tried to hire out a contract to kill the mother of a rival cheerleader?

My daughter did competitive cheerleading for a few years -- those folks are too danged intense. Same goes for much of the sports teams hereabouts.

[UCLA Dem]

15. Copycat shootings. I was afraid of this. Thats what happened in 1999.

I was in high school then. It was just awful. It seemed like one shooting after another. God be with all those kids and teachers.

[Dweezil44]

17. Not a copycat Columbine shooting . . .

no kids are involved.

I understand, though, that the victim was shot in the chest and is in critical condition. His son is a sophomore QB for Canton, and looks to be one of the top players in the state by graduation.

[anarchy1999]

24. Angry "Football" Dad goes mad over son's potential career, the coach

must have threatened son's career in some way. That'd be my bet.

East Texas is a dangerous place everyone. Lots of crazy people out there. "Hills of Kentucky" or what it's portrayed to be in media comes to mind.

PS, welcome to DU, Dweezil44.

[Dweezil44]

26. Thanks.

You're right about East Texas, too. I've been out there on business before -- small towns like Mt. Pleasant, Daingerfield, Lone Star and others -- very scary place. The poverty is amazing. Parts of it look like SE Oklahoma or rural West Virginia.

[callous taoboy]

27. East Texas has the highrest rate of

incest in the U.S. This is a hard statistic.

[Horse with no Name]

54. What? You question those of us who live

"behind the pine curtain"?
lol
You are absolutely right.
Just think "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" and I think that about covers it.
:scared:

[maddezmom]

16. link: East Texas High School Coach Shot At School

East Texas High School Coach Shot At School

POSTED: 10:56 am CDT April 7, 2005
UPDATED: 11:05 am CDT April 7, 2005

CANTON, Texas -- An East Texas high school football coach reportedly has been shot at the school field house.

KLTV-TV of Tyler quoted coaches at Canton High School as saying Gary Joe Kinne was shot.

KXAS-TV of Dallas-Fort Worth reported the shooting happened in the school field house Thursday morning.
~snip~
more: http://www.nbc5.com/news/4356160/detail.html?rss=chi&psp=nationalnews

[Democrats_win]

22. People aren't shocked because they know everything is falling apart.

In 1999, the future looked bright.

[anarchy1999]

23. I caught this info just as it was "breaking" on CNN about an hour ago

or so. As the talking head said "Greater Dallas" area I lost it.

I've lived in the "middle of Dallas" for a very long time and I've never ever considered Canton to be in the "Greater Dallas" area. As a matter of fact I would believe that most residents of Canton take great pride in not being a part of the "greater Dallas" area!

1St Monday's in Canton are special, used to be far more special before it became so incredibly commercialized. What's new?

[Wright Patman]

29. Probably the majority

of the working-aged people in that county, though, commute to Dallas to work. It's 60 miles to Dallas and even closer to the eastern 'burbs thereof.

I had been thinking of Van Zandt County commuters a week or two ago as the gas prices went up another 10 cents in one day. That will eventually become unsustainable and they'll have to move closer to the Metroplex.

[0007]

25. Yusper where are you?

[Mr.Green93]

28. Interesting that

there has been so many shootings since the AWB expired.

[Ilsa]

31. Breaking News: Shooting at Canton High School (near Tyler TX)

A friend of mine that I've referred to here on DU called to tell me he left the nearby school where he teaches just before lockdown was imposed. The rumor is that the perpetrator was spouting off about it the night before at a party. Here is the news from the Tyler Morning Telegraph:

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=14302095&BRD=1994&PAG=461&dept_id=226369&rfi=6

CANTON - The Canton High School athletic director was the apparent victim of a shooting on campus this morning, and officials were searching for a suspect.

Law enforcement officials responded to a report of shots fired Canton High School, and early reports indicate Gary Joe Kinne, the Canton High athletic director, was trans-ported by helicopter to a Tyler hospital, where his condition is unknown.

Kinne was reportedly shot at the school's athletic field house in Canton.

The Governor's Office of Homeland Security identified the shooter as Jeffrey Doyle Robertson, father of a Canton High School student. According to the Associated Press, the suspect fired an AK-47 rifle and fled the scene in a 2004 black Dodge pickup.

SNIP

(On Edit: sorry about the double post. I have a friend that teaches in that county, and his school got locked down. He got his information from others in the area. Canton is known for having huge antique fairs every month.)

[maddezmom]

33. according to CNN - suspect's truck has been located in Lindale TX

Jeffery Roberston a father of a student at Canton was at a party last night, drinking and spoke about shooting coach.

[anarchy1999]

35. It's called 1St Monday and has been happening since the turn of

the century when Canton was a small farming community out in the middle of nowhere!

Sorry if I seem harsh, I just take a little bit of offense, "huge antique fairs", have you ever been to Canton?

I used to live "out there" and actually spent a summer launching a new catsup line "out there". Thanks to my efforts the catsup gained a nationwide following. You haven't lived till you've been to Canton in July and August!

[Ilsa]

46. Thanks! I haven't lived in Dallas in 12 years and had forgotten

what it's called. Now I go through Round Top on their biannual antique fair events!

[leesa]

32. It's what Americans want.

[UCLA Dem]

34. Here is clear evidence why we don't need gun control!

:sarcasm:


It just makes me feel ill.

:puke:

[lebkuchen]

36. I thought the US' claim to fame was harsh gun control laws

Come to Europe or Asia for "harsh" gun control laws.

Personally, I love being able to walk the streets at all hours w/o fear of being mugged with a .45 et al.

[Dweezil44]

39. Looks like they got the suspect north of Tyler . . .

report is he is being taken to a Tyler hospital for an undisclosed serious injury (i.e., they shot him).

No word on the Coach/AD yet.

[TX-RAT]

47. (i.e., they shot him).

Now their saying he tried to cut his wrists.

[tubbacheez]

40. Gunman Shoots Texas H.S. Football Coach

The NRA probably considered him an exemplary gun owner until he pulled the trigger.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&e=9&u=/ap/coach_shot



CANTON, Texas - The father of a high school football player shot and wounded the team's coach with an assault rifle Thursday and fled in a pickup loaded with weapons, claiming to have a hit list, state officials said.

Schools in the district were locked down while police searched for the shooter. Officers had weapons drawn near a truck that was found about two hours after the shooting and apparently belonged to suspect Jeffrey Doyle Robertson.

(snip)

An athlete's father said Robertson had threatened to kill his son last year over an on-field teasing.

"He's a very high-strung, hot-tempered individual," said Steve Smith, a Canton business owner.

[SheepyMcSheepster]

41. people are f'n crazy

seriously whacked out.

this is just stupid.

[Dweezil44]

44. Already a thread on this

here

[slackmaster]

42. Dupe Topic Police reporting for duty

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1376240#1376745

[tubbacheez]

45. Thank you! And sorry about the dupe.

I was about to self-delete and post a reply in this thread, but you moved faster than I could.

[enki23]

43. kind of a side point... but i wonder who "teased" who.

re: the on-field teasing

note: apparently the "teasing" bit was removed from the article you've linked to...?

[MrBenchley]

48. Good thing the GOP put those assault weapons back on the market, eh?

What a disgrace...and this should be laid right on the lap of pResident Twat and Tom Delay, who blocked the ban on assault weapons from being strengthened and renewed last fall.

[0007]

49. I was in the Bank this morning doing business and they had

this on the FAUX channel. The first I've been around alive FAUX TV for a long long time. It was totally disgusting watching the trained monkeys and listening to the newscaster pumping up the excitement of it all.

[NoPasaran]

55. "It all goes back to jealousy and football."

ALLEGED SHOOTER CALLED "TICKING BOMB"

CANTON - People familiar with Jeffrey Doyle Robertson, the suspect in Thursday's school shooting, said there was no mistaking the signs that led up to the incident.

Canton newcomer Catherine Whitlock said events that fueled the attack actually began last August as a dispute between her son and another teenager during football practice.

-snip-

"He (Robertson's son) called his father, and he came up here," she said. "He was going to jump my son and the coaches intervened. Since that happened, he (Robertson) was barred from going on the property."

But Robertson returned Thursday and allegedly shot Coach Gary Joe Kinne - one of the athletic officials who intervened in the attack - once in the chest at close range, Canton police said.

-more Americana-

http://www.tylerpaper.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=14303590&BRD=1994&PAG=461&dept_id=226369&rfi=6

[dmallind]

56. Root cause analysis?

So we have a loony who goes nuts over football, has a brain tumor and is a nasty drunk.

Hate to say it guys but I don't think gun control is the answer.

I'm all for registration and testing and licenses and all that - but some people are just plain nuts and as many examples demonstrate you can be nuts with a knife, a baseball bat, a tire iron or whatever else just like you can be nuts with a gun.

I wonder how many of you would favor strict mandatory psychological tests and potential involuntary confinement for those deemed to be dangerous? Isn't the man's obvious mental instability the real root cause?

A nut with a gun is dangerous yep - but a nut without a gun is too. I'd suggest concentrating on the nuts rather than the guns. They are sometimes, but not always, connected.

[chickenscratching]

60. Funny, my parents just moved there a few days ago....n/t

[AuntiBush]

63. Well. They wanted to carry guns to CHURCH...

now they wonder why shootings take place in schools. What's next... shoot out at churches and at judges.

They reap what they sow.