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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 06:24 AM
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WP: Same Committee, Same Combatants, Different Tune (Wes Clark)
A good article about Wes Clark and Richard Perle's HASC testimony on the Iraq war yesterday.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32440-2005Apr6.html


Rep. Walter B. Jones Jr. is a conservative Republican from North Carolina who voted to authorize the use of force in Iraq. So it jarred all the more yesterday when Jones turned his fury on Richard N. Perle, the Pentagon adviser who provided the Bush administration with brainpower for the Iraq war. <snip>

Sometimes life imitates art. Yesterday, it imitated an episode of "Crossfire." For more than three hours, Clark and Perle reprised their confrontation before the committee in September 2002. The two men entered in twin gray suits and red ties, and took adjacent chairs at the witness table. Clark scribbled in pencil, Perle with a fountain pen. Only Perle's reading material -- he put on the witness table a copy of "Kitchen Confidential: Adventures in the Culinary Underbelly" -- suggested he was not expecting what was to come. <snip>

(At the September 2002 hearing), Perle said Clark was "wildly optimistic" and called it "one of the dumber cliches, frankly, to say that force must always be a last resort." While Clark fiddled, "Saddam Hussein is busy perfecting those weapons of mass destruction that he already has."

In retrospect, Clark's forecasts proved more accurate than Perle's, and even Republicans on the committee made little effort yesterday to defend Perle or to undermine Clark. The exception was Chairman Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.), who pressed Clark to acknowledge that the Iraq invasion should get some credit for signs of democracy in the region.

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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 06:28 AM
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1. Wes made me proud yesterday.
Proud to have been a supporter of his from the draft Clark days.
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Tinksrival Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 06:58 AM
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4. I was proud also
Rep Jones brought me to tears. I kept thinking.....Wow, he gets it. The republican from North Carolina really gets it. He was so sad and offended by how Pearle and the administration led them all to vote. All the funerals, the lives lost. The staggering cost of this blunder. They all had to eat crow and admit how right on Wes was in 2002 testimony. I was so glad Wes made it clear that their doing it again...congress needs to wake the fuck up. I'm so relieved Wes is still sounding the alarm against these creeps. He's a small light on this very dark horizon. America needs to hear this testimony and understand where this neocon policy is taking us.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 06:42 AM
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2. excellent, Wes. keep it up.
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Merlin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 06:51 AM
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3. "We've got to do a lot less crowing about the sunrise." RIGHT ON, WES!
This is great! Thank you so much for posting. It has made my day.

Sure wish it would have been Wes in '04.

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carpediem Donating Member (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 07:05 AM
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5. that made me smile
it was a small victory, but at this point I will take a small victory.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 07:32 AM
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6. Here is Wes Clark's opening Statement.....
He was also on c-span yeaterday morning, but only for 1/2 hour! I could have listened to him all day.....


http://www.securingamerica.com/

Opening Statement of General Wesley Clark
House Armed Services Committee Hearing
April 6, 2005


Mr. Chairman, Congressman Skelton, distinguished members of this Committee, thank you for the opportunity to appear before you today. From moment one, this Committee has been strongly supportive of the men and women in uniform, and I want to commend you for that -- and thank you for the support that so many of you gave to me during my time in the military. As a former soldier, I can't stress enough how important these deliberations are to our armed forces and military families stationed around the world -- and to the thousands of veterans I've met with over the past two years. I have also heard from thousands of people over the internet who wish to express their gratitude for your efforts and concerns about the situation in Iraq. On their behalf and on behalf of my own family, I thank you.


It is a privilege to appear today to present my thoughts on Iraq and our armed forces, to offer a brief retrospective on the mission there, to sketch out a successful way ahead, and to discuss the implications for the U.S. armed forces.


In September 2002, you invited me to testify about the looming crisis in Iraq. At the time, based on the information provided by the U.S. intelligence community, we all believed that Iraq possessed some chemical and biological weapons, and had an ongoing effort to gain nuclear weapons. It made sense at the time to go to the United Nations and get strong diplomatic reinforcement to end Saddam's weapons programs.


But the critical issue then was how to end Saddam's weapons program without detracting from our focus on Osama bin Laden and the Al Qaeda network, and our efforts to deal with other immediate, mid- and long-term security problems. As you may recall, I counseled at the time that we needed a Congressional Resolution -- not at that point authorizing the use of force -- but rather expressing the intent to use force if all other measures were to fail. I testified that we should then use this Congressional Resolution to press for UN action, that we should work patiently to forge world-wide legitimacy, and that force should be used only as a last resort, after all diplomatic means had been exhausted -- and then only after we had fully prepared to handle the post-conflict process in Iraq.


After a Congressional Resolution and an aborted U.N. inspection effort, the U.S. invaded Iraq. We did not use the U.N. process effectively to enhance our legitimacy or build our coalition. The Administration did not heed the warnings of General Shinseki and others who warned of the force strength necessary to win the war and win the peace. In short, the Administration did not give our military adequate planning or sufficient resources to handle the post-conflict situation in Iraq. These errors were compounded by weak strategic decisions, including dissolving the Iraqi army and outlawing Baathist participation in new governmental structures. The prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib has provided our enemies with a propaganda bonanza resulting in a recruiting windfall in Iraq and throughout the Arab world.


More fundamentally, with its armed occupation of Iraq, the Administration lost focus, and was substantially distracted from worldwide efforts against Al Qaeda. Osama bin Laden and the Al Qaeda network are still at large, terrorist incidents have continued to take innocent life, and U.S. military actions in Iraq have provided a magnet for recruiting and training large numbers of extremist youth in continuing warfare. If Iraq is today the center of the war against terrorism, as some in the Administration have contended, it is not because the terrorists were there originally, but because they have been recruited there to the fight against us. Our military action in Iraq is more a catalyst for terrorists than a cure. Whatever results may ultimately come from removing Saddam Hussein from power, ending the terrorist threat against the United States of America is not likely to be one of them.


Of great concern today and, frankly, in the years ahead is that the focus on Iraq has deprived the Administration of the time, diplomatic support, and military resources to act effectively against other, more dangerous sources of WMD proliferation. The "red line" established by the Clinton Administration against North Korea's reprocessing of spent uranium fuel to make plutonium has now been breached. North Korea has announced that they have reprocessed and presumably now have the fissile materials to make at least a half dozen additional nuclear weapons. Furthermore, this Administration has refused to participate in the discussions aimed at persuading Iran to permanently renounce its uranium enrichment capabilities.


From the outset, the military mission in Iraq has been complicated by factors other than making the best decisions for success. Operations to destabilize Iraq were apparently viewed as the start of a broader campaign to destabilize or overthrow a number of governments in the Middle East, including Lebanon, Syria, Iran, Libya, and Sudan. The start of the campaign was rushed, for reasons that have never been made clear by the Administration. And once U.S. forces were inside Iraq, U.S. diplomacy failed to take measures to undercut regional resistance from countries such as Syria and Iran.


If we are to succeed in Iraq, we must move along three tracks; first, improve security and at the same time reduce the exposure and commitment of the U.S. forces; second, strengthen our ability to facilitate Iraqi political development; third, we must reduce regional resistance to the emergence of a democratic Iraq.


On the first track, the U.S. military must shift away from the battlefields and move into more of a reserve role, relying on a cadre of U.S. advisors to strengthen the newly-minted Iraqi forces. This will entail risks, as U.S. forces turn over combat responsibilities, so it must be paced to improved Iraqi capabilities and the development of an advisory structure.


On the second track, our Embassy obviously has to play a behind-the-scenes role. Without usurping Iraqi responsibilities, we should be able to do more to gain local political information, shape alternatives and facilitate the emergence of democratic governance inside Iraq


On the third track, we should to be talking to all of Iraq's neighbors, including Syria and Iran in a regional framework. Delaying this until we can change the governments in Damascus and Tehran, which seems to be the current policy, puts increasing pressure on our troops and raises the risks inside Iraq.


The U.S. armed forces are caught up in an over-extended ground campaign that is rapidly using up our ground combat strength. In equipment terms, each year in Iraq puts about five years of normal wear-and-tear on the equipment. The wheeled and tracked fleets from the first combat rotation into Iraq have not yet been fully repaired and restored. Reserve component units are leaving much of their equipment behind in Iraq for follow-on units, thereby crippling their recovery and retraining at home


Even more importantly, the human costs to the all-volunteer Army, especially, have been staggering. The Army currently has 17 brigades deployed in Iraq, from an active force of 33 brigades, which should grow to 44 brigades as the result of internal Army restructuring. Most reserve component brigades have already been called up and deployed. The result is that active duty soldiers can expect to be deployed every other year to Iraq for a year long combat tour, unless either the size of the American commitment to Iraq is reduced or the size of the active force is significantly increased.


And even maintaining the force at its current size is likely to be challenging. While the active force is meeting its retention objectives, recruiting for the Army and Marine Corps is lagging behind both for the active and the reserve component. Ultimately, if the current combat levels in Iraq continue, this recruiting gap is unlikely to be closed by more financial incentives. Most married soldiers just can't contemplate indefinitely deploying for a year, every other year, away from their families.


Even worse is the treatment that the United States is meting out to its returning reservists, Guardsmen, and other veterans. Over the past three years there has been a substantial erosion of veterans benefits -- hospitals have closed or reduced treatments, usage fees have risen, returning reservists and Guardsmen have lost jobs, had their homes foreclosed on, credit scores ruined, suffered family tragedies, and significant stresses. The adjustment mechanisms to receive home our soldiers and then to sustain them and care for them as a grateful nation should are simply inadequately developed and funded. We owe our veterans -- and we owe their families as a pragmatic matter, if we don't do more, we'll never be able to raise the forces we need to sustain our commitments.


If we are to sustain the all-volunteer force, and restore our defenses, we will need to augment the size of the active force substantially, fully fund our materiel requirements, enhance the benefits and support for our reserve force, and as both a pragmatic and moral imperative, fully fund the VA and improve our support structure for our veterans.


Mr. Chairman, members of the committee, thank you again for your support of our troops. I will be pleased to take your questions.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 07:52 AM
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8. Thank you for posting that.
I have to try to watch it somewhere. Hopefully it will either be available at the C-SPAN site, or soon it will be at the U-WES-A site.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 07:58 AM
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9. You can listen to the House Hearing here......
unless you were talking about watching the c-span show? I am not sure if that will repeat again after yesterday. I hope so.


http://www.house.gov/hasc/schedules/

please note this on the page....

Witnesses:

General Wesley Clark, United States Army (ret.), Former Combatant Commander, European Command

Honorable Richard Perle, Former Assistant Secretary of Defense, International Security Policy

"Honorable"!?? :puke:
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 08:06 AM
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10. "We Should Be Talking To Syria & Iran" - What Kind Of Crazy Talk Is That?
you'd think Clark was a diplomat and not a military general.

Sarcasm
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 02:54 PM
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12. Thanks for that
It's a really excellent statement and a damning indictment of this sham of an adminstration.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 09:01 AM
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14. Lest we forget
"I testified that we should then use this Congressional Resolution to press for UN action, that we should work patiently to forge world-wide legitimacy, and that force should be used only as a last resort, after all diplomatic means had been exhausted -- and then only after we had fully prepared to handle the post-conflict process in Iraq."

And what did Perle have to say back then? Ah, Wes, he just doesn't want to go to war. Maybe a 4-star General knows more than a neo-con about war?

Why oh why oh why?
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 07:38 AM
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7. Excellent! nt
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 09:08 AM
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11. This is EXACTLY why I am glad all the primary candidates are still out
there. The more chances the public has to hear the truth, the better for this nation.

The media likes to ignore Dems at every turn, but the more opportunities they take to be heard, the better. The truth has to get out one way or another.

Thankyou, Gen. Clark.
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ZootSuitGringo Donating Member (454 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 09:08 PM
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13. The prince of Darkness
is actually a piece of Neo-con shit. Now, all of congress knows it.
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