Utah Based Polygamy Group Awaits the End of the World

[NVMojo]

Just watched parts of this on abc4 and people left behind by the sect fear their will be a "martyrdom" created by Warren Jeffs. They fear he will be another David Koresh or Jim Jones...and his compound is near the Koresh/Waco site.

April 5, 2005

All seems quiet near a polygamist compound in Texas, where a Utah-based polygamist group awaits a self-proclaimed Doomsday.

Some followers have said their prophet has predicted the world will end tomorrow.

Just ahead, you'll hear Warren Jeff's own voice and words, to give you some insight into his teachings.

We first told you in February, about the Texas Prophecy of Warren Jeffs.

At that time, Jeffs' followers were working in a frenzy, to build this huge temple ... apparently hoping to complete it by tomorrow, April 6th.

In recent days, we've been told, a number of Jeffs followers have traveled to the Texas compound, from their homes on the Utah- Arizona border.

more...

http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?nid=39&sid=191671

[merwin]

1. All I can say is, BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

[AllyCat]

5. Good riddance.

I just feel badly for the kids with no say in the matter, particularly the young girls forced into the hands of some sick, ogling freak, all the while hoping for a "faithful" husband as this nutjob says. Easy to be faithful when you get so many wives, huh?

Sick freaks. Good bye--this is Darwin at work and I suspect they'll be handed a nice prize when the Darwin Awards are next announced. Too bad they won't be around to accept it.

[XOKCowboy]

6. The female children are especially suffering...

As you say they are forced into "marriage" at very young ages (as young as 12 or before) to men who are in their 50s, 60s or 70s where they are under the supervision and scrutiny of senior wives. It's very, very sick.

Please pick up a copy of John Krakauer's book Under The Banner Of Heaven and read about this revolting cult.

[NVMojo]

9. this group is alot more ominous then the headline ....

they have numerous violations of laws that include forced marriages of very young girls.

Former members of this group says Jeffs is quite the controlling whackjob.

[northzax]

12. why is it, you think

that all the really whacko fundys want plural marriage? it's the only thing the crazy sects all have in common...

[Roland99]

14. The Bible condoned polygamy

[northzax]

16. yeah, the bible condoned a lot of shit

why is it always polygamy and not sacrificing burnt cattle or something?

[Zhade]

27. Because power-crazed men...

...find using polygamy as an excuse to have sex with young girls more fun than burning cattle?

That'd be my guess.

[AllyCat]

10. Krakauer talks about Jeffs in that book too.

Apparently, Jeffs has gotten even more weird since that writing. What time do they drink the Kool-Aid? God, I hope there isn't another Waco thing.

[Geo55]

37. "I hope there isn't another Waco thing. "

Nah....but it's a tough call for ol' Bushit& Co......poligamy?, not good PR, but HEY !
THEY DO BELIEVE IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD !

[Megahurtz]

24. Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!

Bunches of dirty old pervs!

:freak::freak::freak::freak::freak::freak::freak::freak::freak::freak::freak::freak:

thinking that they're doing it in the name of God!

:puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke:

The "Minutemen" should go in there and save these young girls!

[NVMojo]

2. Polygamy draws attention to small Texas town

Eldorado, Texas — The tiny town of Eldorado, Texas, became the center of attention Tuesday, the day before the expected dedication of a temple for the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

The FLDS church, led by self-proclaimed prophet Warren Jeffs, teaches polygamy as part of its doctrine and traces its roots to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. However, the LDS church excommunicates members who practice polygamy.

more...

http://www.thespectrum.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050405/NEWS01/50405002

[genieroze]

3. ???????

:banghead:

[grytpype]

4. And they want to be taken seriously.

God-besotted freaks like those people find it very offensive when they are not taken seriously. It's elitist to point out that they are fucking batshit insane. So don't anybody to that.

[rainbow4321]

7. Small Texas town braces for influx

<sigh>...Does our state have a friggin magnet that attracts wackos or what????



http://www.mysanantonio.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D899I6NO1.html


Television and newspaper reporters — some from as far away as Sweden — descended upon a tiny West Texas town Tuesday, the day before a reclusive polygamous sect and its leader were scheduled to celebrate the church's most important date.

The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus-Christ of Latter Day Saints, whose estimated 6,000 to 10,000 members dominate the twin towns of Hildale, Utah, and Colorado City, Ariz., has for months been constructing a ranch on about 2,000 acres near Eldorado, Texas. Joining a fortress-like temple about 80 feet tall are roughly a dozen concrete and log buildings.

Church members lead secluded lives — without television, radio or the Internet — and are forbidden to speak to reporters. But word filtered through investigators by excommunicated and disaffected church members is that prophet Warren Jeffs plans to dedicate the temple in Texas on April 6 — the 175th anniversary of the Mormon faith.

Some in Texas even see the FLDS influx as a novelty. The weekly Eldorado Success newspaper hosts a banner advertisement for "Texas Polygamy Merchandise" — hats, stickers featuring a spoof of the Olympic rings tweaked to include one male "sign" and four female signs, and a fake marriage license calling Eldorado "the Polygamy Capitol of Texas."

[AnneD]

11. LOL LOL LOL

You are right about the magnet....or maybe it is our wide open spaces (room to make a mistake). Maybe it is the water they use in the kool aid. Say...what have you got against them...they are just practicing family values.:eyes:
We had problems with a poligimist cult here in H town in the 80's I think (Lamb of God I think- also a LDS operation splinter group). They did a hit job on some people that tried to leave and if I remember right, they even killed the kid(s). Really sad.
Glad to see the town has a laid back attitude so as long as the feds don't come in with guns blazing and they abide by the laws---maybe they can come to their senses.

[deacon2]

41. My God, that's a loaded question...

Yes!

btw - I hear they're changing the name of the town to "Elder Diddle"

[DRoseDARs]

8. The wait is over? The End is here? Anyone know where I can validate...

...my ticket? I'd like my free soda now.

[Az_lefty]

13. Religious fanatics in Texas? Naw, can't be.....

glad they've left Arizona....

[Tansy_Gold]

33. plenty of 'em still here

unfortunately.

AZ is almost as lucky as TX in that regard, maybe even more so. We got the Minutemen, too. . . . .

:banghead:

[Solly Mack]

15. Do they need more duct tape and plastic?

I'll be more than happy to help them in their quest...

[northzax]

17. da na na...the messiah you have chosen is not the correct one

if this had been the real messiah, fire and brimstone would be raining on the heads of those left behind after the rapture, while you look feast in heaven. Please try your armageddon again later.

[mutus_frutex]

18. I'm reading "Under the banner of heaven" right now..

Everyone should read this book, it's quite good.

It might seem easy to disregard these people as crazy and harmless (at least to outsiders, they are definitely not harmless to the young girls in the sect). But that is far from the truth. Mormons have a tradition of taking over local governments and this sect is no exception. Moreover, they overload the social security network by getting payments for all the children they have.

If I lived near where they are settling, I would fight them..

Cheers.

[unhappycamper]

19. I'll second the motion to read this book.

It will give you an idea of really twisted these folks are.

[mutus_frutex]

43. What I find even scarier is that they are no that different from

the "mainstream" mormons...

I think that pretty much the main difference is in the area of polygamy and blood atonement. And maybe that the LDS church has become a bit diluted during the past century..

Cheers.

[noonwitch]

21. I just read "Leaving The Saints", which is about Mormons, too

The author's father was Hugh Nibley, a big-time apologist for the Mormon Church/BYU. The author claims that he sexually abused her from the time she was 5 until she was baptized at 8. This is quite the scandal in the church, because her siblings deny her claims, and have set up a foundation to support their father's legacy. He died the week the book was published. Google Hugh Nibley, and you'll find links to it all.

Not only does she tell about this scandal (her siblings and family claim she has "false memory syndrome"), she discusses some of the stranger practices of the church, like acting out the ways they will die if they ever reveal ritual secrets, wearing special underwear to protect them from sin, the polygamy thing, and shunning intellectuals and ex-members.

Of course, the Mormons and her family are trying to prove the allegations aren't true. Then again, they believe that native americans came from Israel, despite DNA tests that prove they came from asia. Anything that challenges their doctrine is from the evil one, sent to challenge their faith.

What struck me is that the Mormon community in Utah is not so much different from the dutch reformed of West Michigan that I grew up around.

[mutus_frutex]

44. The claim that the Native Americans are the lost tribe are so preposterous

to seem just a joke. I mean, it's up there with the Noah's Arc, the deluge, etc.

And I agree with you, a lot of sects in this country are as weird as the mormons. What is worrying is that they are spreading really fast. I;m from South America. Over there they are taking over the turf of the catholic church very, very fast..

Cheers.

[htuttle]

20. The world was supposed to end today, according to Warren Jeffs

So, I wonder how that 'Armageddon' thing is working out for them?

I just checked outside, and I don't see no horsemen in the sky, and no celestial trumpets -- maybe they were using the wrong calendar...

:eyes:

[Shallah Kali]

22. article on Arizona FLDS ripping off the Gov. over $20 mil a year

Not to mention the fact of forced marriages to barely pubescent girls:

Derail Polygamy's Money Train
A bill before the Legislature would allow the state to begin reforming a society that steals public money and abuses underage girls
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/issues/2005-04-07/news/feature.html

Will lawmakers and the governor uphold the state's constitutional ban against polygamy and pass a law that will allow removal of the polygamists who control the school board and school administration?

Or will the Legislature continue to ignore the fact that Arizona taxpayers are shelling out more than $20 million a year to underwrite the expansion of a powerful theocracy that is based on coercing underage girls into polygamous cohabitations?

{SNIP}

The prophet doles out parcels of land to men considered worthy of the "priesthood." These men then pay for and construct homes for their rapidly expanding families. But the men never take title to the homes. The men can be evicted from their houses and forced to leave the community at the whim of the prophet.

Not only that, but any man's wife and children can be reassigned by the prophet to another man. The new "husband" frequently "marries" the daughters of his new "wives." (State law neither recognizes underage marriages without parental consent nor multiple marriages, so legally such men and their so-called spiritual spouses have not entered into wedlock.)

[NVMojo]

31. ...and this is how they rip off the gov, only the first wife is legal ...

the other wives as legal in the eyes of the SINGLE MOTHERS qualify for State WELFARE benefits and that is how they run these harems. What until the State of Texas figures this one out!!! There has been political movement in the State of Utah to address this church sanctioned abuse of marriage and welfare lawas to get TAXPAYERS to feed and support their ILLEGITIMATE kids with the extra wives who don't have a legal marriage license!!!

[Shallah Kali]

40. "Bleeding the Beast" -it is their god given duty to rip off the gov.

Lawsuits and Governmental Scrutiny Increase Pressure on Polygamist Sect
http://kutv.com/topstories/local_story_261124920.html

Suder, well known for taking on decades-old, multimillion-dollar sexual abuse lawsuits as well as medical malpractice and financial fraud cases, has hinted more legal action is to come that would focus on the financial trust that controls the FLDS church's estimated $100 million in assets.

{SNIP}

Members of the FLDS community have received millions of dollars in welfare, state and local taxes and federal Homeland Security funds. It's called ``bleeding the beast,'' Shurtleff said. Authorities are investigating possible fraud as well as the church's trust, the United Effort Plan.

[Megahurtz]

23. Warren Jeff is one sick fuck!

:puke::freak:!!!!!!!!!

The smartest thing that those women can do is grab the kids and RUN!!!

[Tansy_Gold]

36. Many of them would if they could, Megahurtz

They have never had any contact with the outside world. They don't know anything else.

I used to work with a guy who had been raised in Colorado City, the AZ town that's home to the sect. He wouldn't talk about his childhood except to say that everything we heard about the FLDS was only half of the truth.

These women have never seen television, never listened to the radio, never read a book or magazine that hasn't been given to them by their fathers or husbands. Sexual abuse is the norm, not the exception.

Some women have tried to run -- but they don't get very far with no money. The Arizona strip is almost an island, surrounded by either mountains or desert or the Grand Canyon. there's nowhere to run to.

[Megahurtz]

45. What I don't understand is

why isn't anyone in the government putting a stop to this?

This polygamy stuff is obviously behond severe child abuse, as also is kidnapping and being held against one's will by force. Not to mention the isolation and lack of socialization for these kids.

It's like growing up in a fucking cage like an animal, only worse!

So the State and the Feds are just continuing to allow it to happen?:shrug:

:wtf::wtf::wtf:

[hatrack]

25. Blahblahblah Jesus will swathe the planet in flame blahblahblabblah

Blahblahblahblah we'll be the only ones, since we're in our secret Godbunker blahblahblahblah if you add the number of books of the Bible to the number of books in the Apocrypha and multiply it by the number of items on the Denny's menu, you get 666, which is PROOFPROOFPROOF that the black helicopters blahblahblahblah . .

Lather, rinse, medicate, repeat.

[4dsc]

26. But the oil hasn't run out yet

I thought they should at least wait until the world runs out of oil and then they could go down with the rest of us!!

And that's going to happen sooner then we think..

[0007]

28. It bothers me that a screwball can control these types of mindless

people in the name of religion.

I've had Mormon missionaries tell me when I was young that in the eyes of God I was committing the greatest sin that man could make by refusing to commit to the Mormon Church. I could fill this page with the fallacious-lies that I was told by these missionaries.

[jazzjunkysue]

29. Not possible: I've still got 3 years of car payments left.

The world's gonna end in approximately 1,100 days. Right after I pay it off.

[Zenlitened]

30. My cable TV is out. Does anyone know if the world has ended yet?

:shrug:

[0007]

38. .....in ninety minutes!

[megatherium]

32. Anyone read Mark Twain, Roughing It?

He has a wonderful tall tale about Mormons in this book (which is easy to find in full text on the web).

It seems Brigham Young was explaining to a visitor that 99 wives is far too many; he wished he'd stopped at 20 or 30. He had to build a special cabin for them to sleep in, with a special bed that was wide enough for all of them. When they snored, the noise was deafening; when they inhaled, you could see the walls suck inwards, and when they exhaled, the shutters would flap. Another problem: with all the kids running around, you couldn't give a kid a gift because you'd have to give them all gifts. Once someone made the mistake of giving a child a penny whistle; similar whistles had to be given to all the children and the results were calamitous. Young warned his guest that his agents had him under observation to prevent this from happening.

[Nevernose]

35. And he couldn't tell the wives apart, because they were all sisters

Ugly sisters, at that. When he travels on the stagecoach, after his companion gets treed by the angry buffalo and they pick up the Mormon guy.

[shamanstar]

34. stayed tuned, we will have a shootout at 10

anyone else see this as the next news story that will consume the headlines for weeks covering up anything truly important that is happening?

[Octafish]

39. Can't think where they got that idea.

I'm just a cheerleader at heart!



All mouth and let somebody else do the work.



Heh heh.



What's next?



Chimpageddon?

[DRoseDARs]

42. Well, it's now at least April 7th everywhere, if not the 8th...

...April 6th has come and gone. Are they all dead yet? Any links/news?