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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 03:38 PM
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Americans' Incomes Rise Solidly
The good news keeps rolling in, folks. This was an article posted on Drudge. Go figure.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050331/D8962SHG0.html


Americans' Incomes Rise Solidly

Mar 31, 12:07 PM (ET)

By MARTIN CRUTSINGER


WASHINGTON (AP)
- Americans' incomes, bolstered by strong gains in hiring, rose by 0.3 percent in February while consumer spending climbed at an even faster pace of 0.5 percent, the government reported Thursday. The Commerce Department said the gain in spending followed a much smaller 0.1 percent increase in January and reflected the fact that auto sales rebounded last month after having fallen in January. The 0.3 percent rise in incomes was attributed to a surge of 262,000 new jobs in February, the biggest increase in four months. Further solid gains in both incomes and consumer spending are expected in the months ahead as the consumer continues to be a driving force in the economy.

Analysts said the February gains in incomes and spending showed that the economy was being propelled this year by continued strength in employment growth and consumer spending - which accounts for two-thirds of total economic activity. "Strong payroll gains over the next few months will surely boost the numbers" for incomes, Ian Shepherdson, chief U.S. economist for High Frequency Economics, said in a note to clients.

(Shhhhh... don't read this part...)

On Wall Street, a new jump in oil prices outweighed the good economic data. The Dow Jones industrial average was down 29 points at mid-day.


(Or this part)

Meanwhile, the Labor Department said that the number of Americans filing new claims for unemployment benefits rose by 20,000 to 350,000 last week. It was the highest level for jobless claims in 11 weeks. However, the four-week moving average for claims rose by a more modest 8,500 to 336,000 last week, a level still low enough to signal continued job creation in the economy.

<snip>

The economic rebound was fueled by four rounds of tax cuts promoted by President Bush and easy credit from the Federal Reserve. With the impact of the tax cuts waning and the Fed now raising interest rates to make sure that the reviving economy does not fuel unwanted inflation, analysts believe that economic growth will moderate somewhat this year.

For all of 2004, the economy grew by 4.4 percent, including a 3.8 percent growth rate in the final three months of the year. Analysts believe the economy in the first three months of this year probably grew at a 4 percent rate. The 0.3 percent increase in incomes in February followed two months of huge swings. Incomes had soared by 3.7 percent in December, reflecting a one-time $32 billion dividend payment to stockholders by computer software giant Microsoft Corp. (MSFT), only to drop by 2.5 percent in January. Without the dividend payment, incomes would have grown by 0.6 percent in December and 0.4 percent in January.

<snip>
Disposable income, the amount left over after taxes, grew by 0.3 percent in February. The personal savings rate as a percentage of disposable income dipped slightly to 0.6 percent in February compared to 0.8 percent in January.

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drummer55 Donating Member (306 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 03:39 PM
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1. so how much did inflation rise to counter it? n/t
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 03:40 PM
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2. And yet CEO pay increased 25%.
Yes, this smells of PROPAGANDA.
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 03:43 PM
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5. Maybe "income" rose in the US, but for whom? n/t
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Maine-ah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 04:10 PM
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19. my thought exactly.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 04:17 PM
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20. Not Me.
Inflation: Up 3.4%
BiggJawn's pay: Up 2.017%

Fuel prices: up over 100%
Next to rent and a vehicle payment, fuel and fuel-dependant purchases (Food, Tee-Pee, etc) are the biggest expense I have every month.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 03:46 PM
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9. If CEO's and Execs are taken out of the total
I wonder how much the wage per worker will have decreased over the last year.
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 03:41 PM
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3. The Spin Never Ends Does It
Edited on Thu Mar-31-05 03:44 PM by mhr
See total employment for my neck of the woods, Dallas, TX

Dallas, has yet to recover to Employment levels last seen in January 2000!



If one does not like that chart from the Federal Reserve of Dallas, how about this chart by our very own Tahitinut.

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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 03:41 PM
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4. Happy people going bankrupt
Here's a picture of some of the happy people using the bankruptcy services linked to the good economic news article excerpted above. It looks fun!

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4MoreYearsOfHell Donating Member (943 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 03:43 PM
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6. Yep - income is raising so fast that
savings is at an all-time low...

Confidence so high that we are spending EVERYTHING we make, and that which we borrow as well...
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 03:45 PM
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8. Savings = 0.6% - so we save 2 quarters and a dime out of every $100
seems more than enough.
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 03:52 PM
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13. Yes, "disposable income dipped slightly "
20% less than almost nothing.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 03:44 PM
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7. Factory orders rose 0.2% (less than 0.5% expected but still a rise
And "strong demand for commercial aircraft, steel and computers offset a drop in demand for new cars and industrial machinery."

Happy days!

:toast:
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 03:49 PM
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12. Welcome to the military/industrial complex
There's a new driver for the American economy. Step aboard!
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leQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 04:19 PM
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21. you got that right (eom)
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sadiesworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 03:49 PM
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10. Scary. Apparently, these are the GOOD times:
Edited on Thu Mar-31-05 03:49 PM by sadiesworld
"...Analysts believe that economic growth will moderate somewhat this year."
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 03:49 PM
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11. The Ministry of Plenty announces an increase in the chocolate ration!
Hooray!

Time to crack open that bottle of Victory Gin I've been saving and celebrate!


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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 03:57 PM
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14. Is This Some Kind Of Sick...
fucking joke? .3%? .3%?!! That's a three cent raise on $10 an hour. That's $90 on $30K per year. Well I guess 2 extra tanks of gas a year is pretty good /:sarcasm: The mass media is beyond whoreish. They are now wholly owned subsidiaries of BushCo.

Jay
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Boo Boo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 04:07 PM
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15. Once again we get the unfiltered economic propaganda
from the Bush admin. Thanks AP!

Krugman has alread debunked this stuff many Moons ago. I probably shouldn't try to do this off the top of my head, but I think it takes something in the neighborhood of 400+ thousand jobs just to keep pace. Bush's performance on job creation has been rotten, and continues to be so.

Salaries are up? Really? With a depressed job market? With manufacturing and tech jobs going overseas? Management must have given themselves a big fat raise. The rape and plunder of America is almost complete.

Time to celebrate!
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drdtroit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 04:09 PM
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16. Which "America" did this happen in?
I'm out of the loop, still looks pretty grim to me.
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Daphne08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 05:13 PM
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25. Not the one I'm living in!!
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drdtroit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 05:44 PM
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30. Nor I. n/t
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 04:09 PM
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17. Does anyone know
if their income calculations are per capita or added all together?

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PowerToThePeople Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 04:10 PM
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18. Not mine..
:shrug:
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plasticsundance Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 04:22 PM
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22. the birth/death model
262,000 new jobs in February, the biggest increase in four months.


Oh really?

The second question, clearly, is how accurate is the estimation of employees per business created? For example, I work for myself, and as part of my own business planning I incorporated three companies last year. However, I did not hire even a single employee. So how relevant are new business registrations to the overall employment figures?

According to the BLS, the net amount of jobs added by the birth/death calculations is “relatively small”. So why worry about it?

The birth/death factors are not seasonally adjusted, and so cannot be subtracted out from the seasonally adjusted labor numbers; they can only be compared to non-seasonally adjusted numbers.

The US economy supposedly added 2.2 million non-farm jobs last year. The non-seasonally adjusted numbers, including farming, however, show that only 1.722 million jobs were created. Now, the interesting thing is that in a separate press release, the BLS announced that the imputed number of jobs created from its birth/death model for 2004 was 836,000, or 48% of the total number of jobs created during the whole year. In my books 48% is most certainly not a “relatively small” percentage.


Creating Consumers



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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 05:19 PM
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28. Ah, Grasshopper - Now You Begin To Understand Deception
And subterfuge.
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jackstraw45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 04:31 PM
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23. AP = American Pravda!
All is well, comrades. All is WELL!

The AP has been whoring with their headlines more than usual lately I've noticed.

This one takes the cake.

Amerikan Pravda
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plasticsundance Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 04:47 PM
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24. This is scary
Americans Keep Digging

The first rule of holes is that when you find yourself in one, quit digging. Not so for Americans, who simply buy larger imported shovels. Take today's personal spending and income data, which revealed a .3% rise in February personal incomes, the largest increase in four months. Yet did Americans use any of those income gains to pay down even a small portion of the staggering debts they have been accumulating, even as their IOU's continue to lose value on foreign exchange markets with each passing day? Not likely. In fact, they even managed to go further into debt by increasing their spending by .5%. As a result, the personal savings rate slipped again, to a meager .6%.


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screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 05:16 PM
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26. Bullshit!
and after yesterday they proclaimed the stock market is on a tear. They have to lie cause the truth is unacceptable.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 05:17 PM
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27. I'll believe it IF........
People with salaries above 200K are EXCLUDED...THEN do the math and see how wonderfully the rest are doing.. Averages are a quirky thing and mislead more than anything else..

If I am unemployed, and my neighbor's salary is 1 million, technically, our "average" income is $500K..
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all.of.me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 05:25 PM
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29. i read the subject line and thought this came from the onion.
good grief.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 05:46 PM
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31. 3.6% pace?
Well, considering raises get doled out in the early part of the year this isn't surprising.

But, with inflation becoming a concern, that 3.6% ain't going to amount to JACK SQUAT!
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