Shiavo Parents back in court

[medeak]

breaking news on CNN...through BBC reporter..broke up Larry King. No link yet

[Dookus]

1. thenext time I see them in court

I hope it's for an arraignment. They have abused the court system beyond all reasonableness.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

2. I hope it's getting their asses sued off by Michael for defamation

[Dookus]

4. that, too

[medeak]

17. ditto

how much $ are these people getting anyway? Is it all about the cash...can't they let her die in peace?

[jdj]

25. did you see that neighbor lady that called him a liar and a

simpering wimp on Fox the other day?

it was weird,it was on Hannity and Colmes.

I thought that was kind of dumb.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

26. naaah..I don't watch that shit

I let you all watch it for me...bad for my bp

[Terre]

30. MSNBC Story link

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7293186/

[NYC]

37. CNN Story Link:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/30/schiavo/index.html

The lead attorney for Terri Schiavo's parents filed an emergency petition with the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals late Tuesday, asking that the full court hear an appeal to have their daughter's feeding tube reinserted, a court spokeswoman said.

...The parents were surrounded by supporters Tuesday night outside Hospice House Woodside in Pinellas Park, including a woman carrying a sign that read, "Cowardly Jeb!"

The Schindlers contend Florida Gov. Jeb Bush could have done more to save their daughter, although he said he has done all he can legally do.

[NVMojo]

45. what a bunch of sick fucks ....

[Window]

50. Damn Skippy!

This has gone wayyyyy to far.

[cookiebird]

163. Bulimia is a complicated disease

and family dynamics can play a part in its development. I wonder if, when Terri was a young girl, she was told that she'd look better if she lost a few pounds...or she'd never attract a nice husband unless she lost weight...by either parent. I wonder if they ever compared a thinner friend to her with an unspoken but implied message of "you could look like her." I just wonder about the internal dynamics of that family.

[medeak]

3. 11th circuit of appeals

asking for all judges to rule

[Dookus]

6. to rule on WHAT?

what matter was pending?

[medeak]

8. 11th hour of appeal

go to CNN reporting now

[Up2Late]

5. PLeeeeeeeeeeese

How much you want to bet, they try to sue the Hospice after she dies?:banghead:

[anarchy1999]

52. Oh, please, I want one of those head banging against the wall iconsl.

And yes, I'm banging my own head against my wall, in my office now. Will they ever, ever stop with this circus of clowns in this macabre dance of death?

[montana_hazeleyes]

113. Check the DU smilies

There are some new ones, including this one:banghead:

[malmapus]

7. Surprise surprise here...biggest flip floppers evah...N/T

eom

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. You've got to be shitting me

[Pachamama]

10. Old News...Right?

You have got to be kidding, right? You mean, right now, 9:35PM PST on March 29th/ 12:34PM EST on March 30th? Your saying right now that these people are back, in court, again?

[medeak]

13. not kidding..

jesus..what time is it in FL?

[Clark2008]

35. 12:29 a.m.

[SW FL Dem]

14. Yep that what he is saying and CNN is confirming

[journalist3072]

15. I'm watching CNN as we speak

They want to full 11th Circuit Court, not just the three judge panel, to re-hear their case (and obviously rule to re-insert tube).

[Pachamama]

24. You've got to be kidding me....I thought this was a serious joke, & just

went to CNN and sure enough...Now its showing as "flash news" on MSNBC....

This has got to be a fricking joke, I am feeling like I'm in some kind of Friday the 13th Horror movie where the dead psycho just keeps coming back to life and won't stop....I'm not talking about poor Terri Schiavo, but the psycho parents that just won't stop....Good God, no wonder Terri Schiavo had bulimia....she had issues with control freak parents that just wouldn't ever stop!

This is just too unbelievable....On what possible grounds? Haven't they exhausted every single possible reason that has ever been known to anyone and then some?

ENOUGH! AAAAARRRRGGGGhHhhhh!!!:puke:

[medeak]

11. too late they say

kidneys have shut down...gosh they love her eh?

[SW FL Dem]

12. This after Mary Schindler asked Michael to give her daughter

back to her even though she hasn't been able to visit Terri for several days because it is too painful.

[CoffeeCat]

156. Are you serious??? Mary Schindler won't visit her daughter...

...in the hospital because it's too painful?

Seriously. This has to be a joke.

This woman cares SOOOO much about her daughter, but her own "feelings" are keeping her from visiting her daughter and seeing her during the last hours of her life.

Is there a word in the English language that is fitting for this trashy, controlling, sickening piece of dirt? I don't think so.

If my child was dying, I would be at her side as much as I could!!

It's Mrs. Schindler and her husband who have argued that Terri "feels" and "reacts to her mommy" and "cries". So, her mother believes that Terri is cognizant--but Mary Schindler choses to abandon her daughter because---it's just too painful for her. She might feel bad?

DAMN!!!!! What a self-absorbed, hypocritical, sickening, mentally disturbed, fucked up woman she is.

She's no mother, I tell you that!!!

At this point--as she SELLS FOR PROFIT--videotapes of her brain dead daughter--Mary Schindler is not a mother. She's objectified her daughter into a pawn in a grotesque circus. Mary Schindler is now the mother of a pawn. A pawn that she refuses to visit, as she dies, because her feelings might be hurt.

This is a disgrace.

Mary Schindler failed when Terri developed an eating disorder while she was a teenager. She fails again and again when she exploits her daughter.
She fails ENTIRELY when she refuses to visit her dying daughter--because it might make her uncomfortable.

What a horrible, nasty witch!

[RoyGBiv]

16. Link ...

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/30/schiavo/index.html

[roguevalley]

18. When you thought it couldn't be more unseemly, then this.

[lavenderdiva]

166. love your puppy pics...

they made me smile! :hi:

[medeak]

19. thanks... n/t

[daleo]

20. Another court date keeps those donations coming in.

I don't know how much they are responsible, as there are obviously some smooth operators around them, but court action is great for fund raising action. This case has been a goldmine, and there are lots of people who don't want to shut it down.

I suppose that is why Micheal Shiavo decided on an autopsy after all - he is probably ensuring that he has evidence that he did not abuse his wife for some sort of lawsuit the Christian right will bring. I don't think that the Christian right per se would have legal standing, so the Schindlers will probably have to be in on it too. The appeals to the faithful will all be about "bringing this murderer to justice for Jesus". I hope he counter sues for defamation.

On edit - The longer this goes on, the more I think money is a big motivator for the religious right.

[Jawja]

121. Yes, they are

being pushed to keep this thing going by people with another agenda. You know, sort of like Paula Jones was pushed?

It is so sad that they are letting themselves and their daughter be abused in public like this.

[high density]

21. Richard Quest in London hosting CNN/CNN International Schiavo coverage.

:eyes:

What a crazy world we live in.

[medeak]

39. what's with that?

heard the English accent and thought he was bbc..

again...we have to get news from overseas.

[jojo54]

22. Please don't take this the wrong way..

but I wish she would just pass away. It's really disgusting for me to say that and I truely am a very compassionate and giving person. But it's the media the parents should be sueing. By force of habit (from * of course), the media has been using and abusing this story until it's gotten everyone's nerves frayed. I am a mother & a granny and I honestly feel very bad for these parents - they must be in a living hell right now. But this has certainly gone beyond the normal parameters of sanity. And the religious right hanging outside the hospice are only adding to the dog and pony show.

Go ahead, flame me. But my mind is on the edge of implosion.

[medeak]

23. the parents need some psychiatric help imo n/t

[shraby]

28. I thought they were already denied

a full justice hearing. It was turned down a couple of days ago. Can they try again?

[Princess Turandot]

40. Per the NY Times..

"THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Published: March 30, 2005


ATLANTA -- A federal appeals court early Wednesday agreed to consider a petition for a new hearing on whether to reconnect Terri Schiavo's feeding tube.

The ruling by the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals came as the severely brain-damaged woman entered her 13th day without nourishment.

Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, have maintained that Schiavo would want to be kept alive and have asked the courts to intervene. Schiavo's husband, Michael, insists he is carrying out her wishes by having the feeding tube pulled.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Brain-Damaged-Woman.html

They previously voted 10-2 to not have a new hearing. I think considering the petition just means they will vote again on the same motion they previously rejected.

[NYC]

42. What time will the court convene?

Timing is actually important. This will be the 13th day off the feeding tube.

[medeak]

46. Cnn said in the am

and Jeb could sign right away

[NYC]

47. Maybe she won't last that long.

This is the 13th day. Who knows?

[trapper914]

119. This time...

...they'll be considering the "evidence" that Terri said "I want to live." At least, that's my guess.

[Kerrytravelers]

27. When my grandparents were dying, I often had the same thought.

It's actually harder on the family than the one dying. I know that sounds crazy, but the patients are made as comfortable as possible with morphine. It is very hard to watch someone pass. I was holding my grandmother's hand as she passed. I watched as all her organs shut down. It was such a relief when it was finally over. It took days, and I"m glad I never lfet her side. I wouldn't have changed a moment of my decision to be there, but when it was over, my mother and I were able to breath again.

Jojo54 need not be flamed.

[jojo54]

36. Thank you

I lost my mom when I was 17, but it was a car accident and she died instantly. But 8 years ago, my father-in-law died of emphysema and that was terrible. My hub held up pretty good, but my mother-in-law had to sign a "do not resucitate" form. It was very heartbreaking.

I'm glad you were there for your grandmother, unlike the woman interviewed on the news yesterday who couldn't get to her grandfather because of the protestors. What a shame.

[FlaGranny]

157. I held my mother's hand as she died

in Hospice. I felt her pulse slow and stop. I was the one who had to make the decision and it still brings me pain. These wackos are so evil. I wonder if they know how much pain they are bringing to everyone who has had to make such a decision for a loved one. It brings back all the memories and pain of letting someone you love pass on.

[hlthe2b]

31. No, I know what you mean. Only Terri herself can stop this madness...

And anyone who would flame you for hoping Terri moves on to her eternal peace, rather than lingering as the proverbial football for all her exploiters, needs to think long and hard about the impliations.

[DearAbby]

32. I see no problem with wanting a quick release for Terri

afterall it has been 15yrs in this condition.

I feel money is a great motivator for alot of what has happened in this case for the last 15 yrs...Now the Rapture Right looneys are at the trough...rooting with the rest of the dog and pony show.

It is actually compassion, now that hopes that Terri passes soon, and may she then be at peace...long awaited and long deserved.

[Terre]

34. I won't flame

because as hard as it is to say it, I wish she would pass on also, and for the same reasons.

Things are pretty damn bad when I resort to a feeling like that.

[liberal43110]

41. I agree with you...not flaming you

I agree. I can't even imagine what good reconnecting her feeding tube would do at this point...the thought is sick. This whole circus is sick...

[jojo54]

44. There was a doc on Hannity & Colmes (I think)

yeah, I know - what the hell am I doing watching them?? I laugh at them! And O'Lielly.

Anyway, this doc said reinserting the tube would probably kill her at this point in time.

and thanks for not flaming.

[chickenscratching]

164. "what the hell am I doing watching them"

because it's the most hilarious tv station available to society.
logical? no. funny? very.
fox news should revamp as a comedy network

[PDX Bara]

162. No flame from me

Twenty years ago, I had to make the decision to let my son (only child) go after a severe head injury. Even if the world of medicine had been able to save his body (very unlikely at the time), the probability of his spending the rest of his "life" in a persistent vegetative state was 100%. I had him for twenty years as a vital, loving, intelligent person and those are the memories I carry in my heart. He was and would have continued to be a major credit no matter where his life would have taken him had the accident not occurred. I find what is being done to Terri Schiavo utterly ghoulish.

[NightOwwl]

167. I am very sorry for the loss of your son Bara.

And I admire your courage. You loved your son enough to set him free. At this point, I question whether her parents continuation of this charade has anything to do with love at all.

[Spazito]

168. My sympathies for your loss

Memories are the way in which our loved ones continue to live on.

[NYC]

29. How do they keep getting to the courts during non-working hours?

Evenings, weekends, 12:30 a.m.? How do they do this repeatedly?

[medeak]

33. they must have "juice"

as they say in Vegas

[jojo54]

38. I was wondering that too.

CNN said something about the 11th hour court although it's called the 11th circut court of appeals. I guess this court is for the last resort??

[medeak]

43. CNN reporting it can happen

by morning

jesus.

[Carolab]

48. These people (her parents) are insane. n/t

[fooj]

49. At first, I could understand the parents anguish...

But now? They are completely mad! These people are fanatics. There is no reasoning with them. They are an embarrassment to humanity! Everyday I wake hoping that poor woman finds peace. May she rest...

[kskiska]

161. The Levys and the Gonzalezes have morphed into the Schindlers

If they'd presented their grievances differently, they might have more sympathy, but they've chosen to ally themselves with the flying circus parked outside the hospice. All the abovementioned seem to have developed a love affair with the lights and cameras.

[NightOwwl]

51. They have to keep it going....

their sad little sick lives mean nothing after she dies.

[northamericancitizen]

53. "Their sad little sick lives mean nothing after she dies..."

The whole damn circus explained in one simple sentence. TY NightOWWL

[NightOwwl]

54. You are welcome northamericancitizen...

I appreciate your comment...I'm glad I'm not the only one to see it this way.

[Delphinus]

118. Wow!

Hit the nail right on the head. Excellent observation.

[Contrary1]

55. Breaking: Federal Court of Appeals grant Shindlers new review.

Could allow feeding tube to be re-inserted.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/

on edit: review, not hearing

[Clark2008]

56. Dear God, why? n/t

[deadparrot]

57. Isn't the same thing going to happen?

Tehy've already been there twice; why should they expect to get a different ruling?

[hlthe2b]

58. well, now they'll have to go for the feeding tube AND dialysis....

or maybe they'll insist on a kidney transplant...:eyes:

[SaveElmer]

59. Agreed to consider a petition

To have a hearing...they did not agree to hold a hearing!

This is disgusting!! I am particularly galled that Jesse Jackson chose to get involved in this. It isn't any of his damn business!!!

[SemperEadem]

61. nor is it any of OUR business

yet here we all are, weighing in and acting like it is.

This issue is no one's business except for Michael and Terri Schiavo. The rest of us can take our circus elsewhere and let her die in peace.

[SaveElmer]

62. The legal case is our business

If they can do this to Terri Schiavo, they can do it to the rest of us. What is not Jesse Jackson's business or anyone elses is the decision Terri Schaivo made to not live like this. And it is certainly not Jesse Jackson's place to try and override Michael and Terri Schaivo's wishes!

[Erika]

63. Why wasn't Jackson

at his son's stomach stapling surgery? These religio nuts seem to want to take care of anyone but their own.

[trapper914]

120. There weren't any t.v. cameras there.

nt

[thecrow]

60. Is it just me or is anyone else weirded out just a little

that these sorts of things happen in the middle of the night?

[Animy44]

64. Can someone help me?

Does this mean the whole thing starts over? Does this mean it now goes to the 12 judges in Atlanta? What are the chances?

[truthisfreedom]

65. Schiavo. not Shindler.

[okoboji]

66. wow

NBC can now start yet another Law and Order series -

Law and Order - Midnight Appeals Court


unbelievable - and yet, survivors beg for help in Indonesia Quake Disaster

[liberal43110]

67. Fed Appeals Case Agrees to Consider Schiavo Petition!!!!!!

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050330/ap_on_re_us/brain_damaged_woman

Just happened in Atlanta...

[nadinbrzezinski]

68. My lord!

This is what abuse of the system looks like

[SW FL Dem]

74. Unfriggin believable! n/t

[Kagemusha]

69. Says agrees to consider.

FYI.

[Zynx]

102. They agreed to consider it several times before

This just means appeal is not being summerily denied.

Sheesh, some of you guys are as bad as the Freeper idiots who cannot read.

[WindRavenX]

70. oh jesus tap dancing christ...

...just let her die with SOME dignity...if that's even possible now.

[liberal43110]

75. Of course I agree

Please let the woman have a shread of dignity...I can't imagine what good reconnecting her feeding tube would have at this point.

I am naive enough to hope her family wouldn't even have the tube reconnected. I know I'm wrong but...

[Kerrytravelers]

71. You have GOT to be KIDDING me.

[Midnight Rambler]

72. How much longer are they gonna drag this out? Til Jebbie runs in '08?

[shraby]

73. What physical shape is Terri in now?

After this long, I would think her body is starting to shut down.

[liberal43110]

77. I think CNN reported her kidneys were failing?

I could be wrong...at don't you think that the international media reporting that kind of information is a sign of how sick this is? How can any family put their daughter through this?

[dutchdoctor]

109. Urine production has stopped

Which means her kidneys are failing. It won't be more than one or two days.

[DearAbby]

78. Sad really sad...Let her go in peace

If you love your daughter...let her go.

[liberal43110]

79. Yes, if you love her let her go

I can't understand torturing your daughter like this...for 15 years. I know it's incredibly painful to lose a child, but this is not healthy.

[CottonBear]

76. If there is a merciful god, he/she will take her home to paradise/heaven

before these bastards continue her nonexistence here on this earth.

[Kimber Scott]

81. Just a hypothetical question...

I'm not sure I believe in "heaven" and such, but if there is one, don't you think Terri is there already? I mean, seeing as her mind is gone and I think if there is a soul, it is somehow connected to the mind. Seems like she would have been gone when she first had her heart attack and was without oxygen for so long.

I don't know, it's one of those unanswerable questions, but it does make me wonder.

[Erika]

85. Terri's body was part of her

even if she went on to the Lord the horrible invasion of her privacy to expose her body to continue without the mind is horrible and insane.

[CottonBear]

97. I'm not sure I believe in "heaven" and such either but

I believe that she/her soul has left her body.

My grandfather had an out of body/ going to heaven experience prior to being revived (after 18 electric shocks...) He saw the tunnel of light during the ambulance and emergency room procedures, but was drawn back into his body when his heart was restarted.

We took my (orthopaedic surgeon) father off of life support after a massive stroke during open heart surgery which destroyed his brain. he told us: "don't keep me "alive" if I'm going to be a vegetable following a catastrophic medical event."

We donated his kidneys and corneas before allowing his body to leave this realm. I was 17 years old and this still brings me to tears. I miss him so much. I know that he lives on, both in my memory and genes as well as in the earthly bodies that received his organs.

Please, make a living will and donate your organs.

[shanti]

105. i'm so sorry...

:hug:

[CottonBear]

149. Thank you so much.

:hug:

[NightOwwl]

106. I am very sorry about your father CottonBear.

My father was sent home early after a so-called "successful" surgery to make room for new patients. He ended up back in the hospital after his esophagus ruptured because the doctor, in his haste to boot my dad out the door, neglected to notice he missed a few stitches.

I was lucky...I got to see him while he was still "my dad." I went out to dinner with my sister, came back to the hospital and by that time his body had started to shut down. Thank God (and I use that term generically, I am not a religious person) he had signed a Do Not Resuscitate order. To think he could still be hooked up to tubes, alive yet not alive, is terrifying. Personally, I don't understand how Terri Shiavo's parents can bear seeing their daughter in this state. You don't have to believe in God to believe death is a better "life" than the one she is living right now.

[liberal43110]

112. You said it well:

"I don't understand how Terri Shiavo's parents can bear seeing their daughter in this state."

I truly don't understand it. And the mother just pleaded on TV to Michael to "give my child back to me." Any semblance of her child died 15 years ago. The denial of reality is one thing, but to continuously torture her daughter.....

[CottonBear]

150. I'm sorry to hear about your dad.

You are so lucky that you had one last chance to visit with him before he passed on. I agree that "living" hooked up to tubes and pumps is no life, at least in my opinion.

I think that many of the protesters have never had to deal with the medical situations that we have had to deal with. They would have a different perspective if they had.

:hug:

[trapper914]

122. Based on your grandfather's experience...

...it would stand to reason that Terri's soul is locked in her body. When your grandfather's heart was re-started, he returned to his body. Why would it be different with Terri?

Also, and I know I'm probably out of line here, but why does everyone seem to think Terri would automatically go to heaven? I've read a lot about the case, but I've read very little about her spirituality.

[Erika]

80. Get used to it. W's theocratic Govt is here

and the democrat senators play a big role in allowing it.

Thank Barney also. Their actions encouraged the court.

God forgive them for the horror they are putting Terri through. God forgive them. God forgive them for the damage they have done to the sanctity of marriage.

[rodeodance]

83. this appeal will be heard by all 12 judges .....

www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/30/schiavo/index.html
Schiavo parents file new court appeal

Wednesday, March 30, 2005 Posted: 12:32 AM EST (0532 GMT)



ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- The lead attorney for Terri Schiavo's parents filed an emergency petition with the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals late Tuesday, asking that the full court hear an appeal to have their daughter's feeding tube reinserted, a court spokeswoman said.

Sharon Evans, in a call to CNN, said David Gibbs, the parents' lead attorney, requested that the motion be heard en banc, or by all 12 judges on the court.

Last week, a three-judge panel of the federal court in Atlanta ruled twice against the parents, Mary and Bob Schindler.

The vote was 2-1 the first time and unanimous the second time. The same judges heard the case each time.

Gibbs then had asked for an expedited rehearing from the full court's 12 judges; that effort was rejected by a 10-2 vote.

[NYC]

86. Who is Barney?

?

[Jilly Beans]

88. The prez's poor scottie?

[murielm99]

90. I think he is a purple dinosaur.

Is HE running around in front of that hospice, too?

I wonder what kind of sign he is carrying.

[Erika]

94. Barney Frank

The new spokesman for the House GOP. He used to be a democrat.

[FredScuttle]

111. errr.....WHAT??!!!!!

care to explain the logic underlying that conclusion?

[NYC]

82. Story has a 3.04 rating.

You have given the news article Federal Appeals Court OKs Schiavo Review a rating of 5.

Its current average rating is 3.04 with 330 votes.

[AuntiBush]

84. Un-Believable!

How can an Atlanta, Georgia judge over-rule a Florida judge?

The parents should have seeked-out help long ago, to learn to "let go."

1. Not 1 Media Whore, or Religious Yelling Idiot gives a damn about any of the "other" hospice patients inside that hospice site!
2. Now, we see the Repuks & Bush will stop at nothing to get their political agenda in force.

Even if it means over-ruling the very statehood Bull Crap & Co want to distance Fed from!??! And, a Federal Republican Conservative judge that ruled correctly, following the law to a tee, has no power.

This is going to turn on the Republican party. I firmly believe the majority are living in a state of party confusion now. They can't all be WACKO! Can they?

[Clark2008]

91. It's the federal district. An Atlanta judge isn't overruling a Florida

judge.
A US District Court is overruling a state appeals court.
The district includes several states.

[AuntiBush]

100. Amazing.

What happened to our once-great country?

Welcome to the UNITED STATES OF CONFUSION!

[Erika]

92. And we also see how the Democratic Senators

backed Bush's push for theocracy. Barney agreed.
Neither the republicans or democrats voting public backed this attack on the marriage sanctity. The elite D.C. in both parties told us to go to hell. Cold day in hell that the D.C. democrats will get one cent from me.

Schindler is selling videos of Terri and mailing lists for $ but since the GOP bottom line is the $ as self worth, they have no problem with their profit. Terri's bills are being paid by us thru Medicare. What a disgusting scene. Paid for by Terri and the sanctity of the marriage bond.

[AuntiBush]

99. Sickening! Dread Turning News On Daily, Nowadays!

I read about that last-night... her family selling out all of their supporters for $$$.

And agree! Between Dem's selling us into total indentured slavery on that Bankruptcy Bill; (medicare's next); Backing snctity of marriage, and now taking away a married couples rights; over-ruling their own fed judges; creating super-close Marshal law pitting local police against State agents, and the list goes on and on...

MediaWhores, ignoring 1,000's of lives lost in an earthquake, to a deficit ready to cause our financial downfall, it's so sickening I dread turning the news on daily, but do...

Sort of like not watching to watch, but do w/1 eye opened.

How did our country come to all of this? Notice how rapidly we're spiraling down, in just a few short months since Nov 3.

[Erika]

107. Ask your GOP neighbors

Of course they will run the other way. They know they've doomed our country into a third world existence and they simply don't want to hear about it. Accountability is not something they are comfortable with.

Somehow it's got to be the democrat's fault. I've never seen a more whiny group of victims in my life.

[IndianaGreen]

101. "this attack on the marriage sanctity"?

Neither the republicans or democrats voting public backed this attack on the marriage sanctity.

Marriage sanctity? Next thing we'll hear is that marriage was established by Christ! Why are we borrowing the language of the fundamentalists? What's next? That women should submit to their husbands? That children should be beaten because the Bible tells us so?

Marriage is nothing more than a contract between two parties that is attested by a state-issued license. Nothing more, nothing less!

Now, since most people do get married within a religious context, marriage is more than that from the religious perspective.

The State has the right to interfere in marriage. It happens all the time in limited situation. For example, the State will intervene in cases of domestic violence and child abuse.

[Erika]

103. The Bible says

that the man will leave his parents and marry a woman and they will bond as one flesh. This now translates that one spouse will speak for the other if incapacitated.

I don't know what the hell you are talking about. There was no domestic abuse or violence and the court holds the spouses are closer than the relationship they have with their parents. Duh, big time.

[Norquist Nemesis]

130. Women submitting to their husbands is all the rage now!

It's part of the Covenant Marriage fad.

[wickywom]

158. Sad but true.. my own family has been infected recently.

spanking the kids now as well..
Gotta love it.

[democracyindanger]

87. A way for the GOP to make the American Taliban happy?

The neurologist that spanked Scarborough said the patients die within 11 to 16 days. If the court doesn't reach a decision in the next few days, Schiavo will probably pass, and the GOP can scream about how "Democratic obstruction" of Chimpy's nominees is stalling the judicial system. It's not true, but it's easy to sell--and sop for the religious fanatic base, because the nominees are serious wingnuts.

[Zynx]

89. Calm down - they just agreed to hear it.

They'll promptly rule against it and relegate this to non-news. The parents have no decent legal arguments.

[carpe diem]

95. i hope you're right...

...this is the first time since i started paying attention to this that i'm actively rooting for her to pass on over...it would be unconscienable to reinsert it at this point...let this woman BE already!!!

[SaveElmer]

93. This one is different...parents could win

They are agreeing to hear a petition for a new trial. The parents are arguing that the courts were wrong to only consider state court decisions up to now. They are going to rule on whether parents are allowed a new trial in federal court. If they rule that a new trial can be conducted, they will almost have to reinsert the tube.

Just obscene that the court system is being used in this way!

[Erika]

96. Again, the Dems gave them encouragement

The American public had the guts to speak out but the dems didn't. Damn them.

[FredScuttle]

110. Frank, Moran and Dean, to name three

n/t

[Zynx]

98. That argument is really weak, putting it mildly.

I really doubt that this is going anywhere.

EDIT: Having reviewed what they are granting, this isn't any different then the other times the court agreed to hear the case. It will have the exact same result.

[Window]

108. I pray you are right.

.

[bluestateguy]

104. They should hear the case...in about six months

The Schindlers can wait in line like everybody else who has business before that court.

[markus]

114. How are appeals court judges allocated?

Do they have permanent jurisdictions (say, South Florida), or do they work in rotation? If the latter, then all you have to wait for is for some right wing Xian freak to come up in the rotation to file, et voila.

[Jersey Devil]

115. Corrected story - court has NOT agreed to hear appeal

All it has done was allow them to file a lete appeal.

"The appeals court granted Gibbs' request late Tuesday to file the new petition despite having set a deadline of last Saturday morning for any such appeals. Gibbs said in his filing that the new issues were the result of "further research, reflection and consultation" since the same court rejected his petition last week.

While allowing the late filing, the court has not ruled on whether it will consider the new appeal."

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/30/schiavo/index.html

[Walt Starr]

116. There is one bit of consistency to the Schwindlers

They have consistently LIED TROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CIRCUS!!!

We're not talking any more, followed by endless press conferences.

We're done appealing at the federal level, followed by an en banc appeal.

:eyes:

[FlaGranny]

159. Doesn't it make one wonder if

they are being seriously pressured by third parties?

[aWaKeNoW]

117. WTF?! These people have

completely lost it. I just KNEW that they were lying when they said they weren't going to have any more public appearances in the center ring and that they were not going to file any more legal suits...go figure.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

123. chiavo malpractice payoff based on rehabilitation and 50 yr life expectanc

Virtually as soon as Michael Schiavo received the monies from the
medical malpractice claim involving his wife, Terri Schindler-Schiavo,
he withheld all therapy and rehabilitation services from her.
Terri Schiavo had sustained a serious brain injury as the result of
a suspicious incident in their home in 1990 and in 1992, her husband
had filed claims against several of her former doctors, claiming
her "collapse" was caused by a misdiagnosis. He received over $1.5
million in 1993 including $750,000 which had been specifically
earmarked by the trial jury for Terri's rehabilitation based on a life
expectancy of 50 years.

http://www.theempirejournal.com/53209_schiavo_case_tangled_web_o.htm

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

124. Schiavo case a tangled web of deception

What a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.

How applicable to the Terri Schiavo case.

Virtually as soon as Michael Schiavo received the monies from the
medical malpractice claim involving his wife, Terri Schindler-
Schiavo, he withheld all therapy and rehabilitation services from
her.

Terri Schiavo had sustained a serious brain injury as the result
of a suspicious incident in their home in 1990 and in 1992, her
husband had filed claims against several of her former doctors,
claiming her "collapse" was caused by a misdiagnosis. He received
over $1.5 million in 1993 including $750,000 which had been
specifically earmarked by the trial jury for Terri's rehabilitation
based on a life expectancy of 50 years.

http://www.theempirejournal.com/53209_schiavo_case_tangled_web_o.htm

[Shadder]

125. What, so good you had to post it twice?

Goodby

[Jersey Devil]

126. LOL, not too obvious, huh?

and he even paid for the privilege, which is even funnier.

[hippiechick]

128. DOES make ya wonder ....

:freak: Agenda ? Naw, they don't have an agenda ... ;)

[robbedvoter]

127. NY Post page one: ENOUGH! (flashes with last page)

[Spazito]

129. This has gone beyond appalling

Any sympathy I had for the Schindlers at the beginning of this debacle has gone, they are disgusting and it is like they would put their daughter on display in some 'freak' show if it kept the money rolling in. They have NO respect for their daughter, imo. Disgusting.

[underpants]

131. 11th Court to Hear Schiavo Petition (entire case? -entire court?)

http://www.11alive.com/news/usnews_article.aspx?storyid=61018

A glimmer of hope shines on Terri Schiavo’s parents. The 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals agreed Wednesday to hear an emergency motion that could reattach Schiavo’s feeding tube while judges reconsidered the entire case.

The Court of Appeals, located in downtown Atlanta, issued a written ruling without comment late Tuesday granting the emergency motion to Robert and Mary Schindler. The court did not specify when it would consider rehearing the case or grant the emergency injunctive relief to reattach the tube.

The emergency motion calls for the petition to be considered “en banc,” or by the full 12-judge bench. The motion also asks for the court to consider the case’s entire state record as opposed to only the “procedural history of the state court case,” as the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals has in the past.

Attorneys for the Schindlers cited 11 reasons in support of the Court of Appeals reconsidering the case, including: the courts “based their decisions…upon the more-than-five-year procedural history of the state court case rather than hearing the matter de novo” and the federal court “must look at the entire state court record, not just the reported state court decisions” in reviewing the merit of evidence.

[GOPFighter]

132. What if she dies while they're reviewing the case...?

...*

[meganmonkey]

134. Well, that would make a decision much easier

I guess...

:freak:

[bowens43]

135. then it ends......

[AngryOldDem]

145. That's what they may be expecting

<<<The court did not specify when it would consider rehearing the case or grant the emergency injunctive relief to reattach the tube.>>>

Sounds like this is one more placation of the Schindlers. No mention that the court is treating this as an 11th-hour case. If this gives the family some sense of "hope" and comfort, as well as keeps them out of the media for any length of time (yeah, right), I don't have a problem with it.

[Warpy]

146. Right, it's just that pinhead Pryor making trouble

You remember him, he was such a total nutcase that Bush couldn't get his appointment through the senate, so he waited until he could appoint him during recess.

It does sound like they're just going to run out the clock before they issue any sort of an opinion. If they rule against every other court, then the Congressional idiocy that put the case into the Fed courts will be contested (as it should be) as unconstitutional.

This mess is far from over as far as a turf war goes.

[Walt Starr]

148. My expecation is that is what they are going for

They accept the petition without giving a date for the appeal to be heard, she dies, the court declares teh case moot.

[BlueEyedSon]

133. WHAT THE FUCK???

Welcome to The Theocracy, sheeple!

[underpants]

137. Well we are going to see how accurate the information is

and the RW sheeple might (probably will) realize the extent to which they have been lied to and told half truths.

[GOPFighter]

143. Yeah, my first thought was...

...damn, the Bushies are getting scared and went to the court last night and read them the riot act: do something now or we'll make life miserable for you and your families for the rest of your lives.

[whistle]

136. So, has the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals issued an order...

...to reconnect Terri Schiavo's feeding tube and if so when is this this to be done? Would the appeals court also take custody of Terri Schiavo and would that court become responsible for Terri's ongoing care?

[underpants]

141. NO order to reconnect the tube yet

I heard this on the way into work and had to check it out. The court apparently said they would hear it last night but I don't think they have said if it will be "en banc" or "de novo" the petition requests it though.

[Connie_Corleone]

138. Reinserting the feeding tube would be more harmful to her now.

Her kidneys are failing. It's over.

[napi21]

139. I doubt they will rule in favor of reinserting the tube.

It's very unusual for any court to rule against 20 other court decisions, and I doubt this one will either. I suspect they agreed to consider this petition to appease the Schindlers, and are secretly hoping their ruling won't have to take place because of circumstances beyond their control. It has been almost 13 days ya know.

[onenote]

140. I don't think the court has agreed to hear the case en banc

I think all they've done is granted a motion that would allow the parents to ask them to hear the case en banc. The reason that motion is needed is because the deadline for requesting the en banc hearing was last week and the parents missed it. So they had to file a motion for permission to file their request late. That, as I understand, is all the court has done -- permitted them to make a late filing. Anyone know anything different?

onenote

[underpants]

142. ON EDIT----?'s

I should have included that. You are correct (as far as I can tell) the petition requests en banc and de novo but the court has not said if it will do that yet.

[ElectroPrincess]

144. OK ... Now is is apropos to declare this SIT a Three Ring Circus?

[Zynx]

147. ARGH!!! - Media can't read - EVERYONE READ THIS!!!!

The 11th Circuit agreed WITHOUT COMMENT to hear a petition from the parent's lawyers - they DO NOT inherently agree with any of the points in the petition. THAT IS WHAT THE HEARING IS FOR.

This is NO different from the other appeals that have been made. The ONLY thing this means is the court did not summarily dismiss, which only SCOTUS has done to this point on this case.

SHEESH!!! :argh: :argh:

[TexasSissy]

151. U.S. court allows new Schiavo petition

U.S. court allows new Schiavo petition

Lawyer asks federal court to examine evidence, not procedure

ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- A federal appeals court has allowed Terri Schiavo's parents to file another emergency petition with the panel as Bob and Mary Schindler make desperate efforts to save their severely brain-damaged daughter's life.

www.cnn.com

[rocktivity]

152. What evidence? There's no brain activity

mainly because there isn't a brain!

Besides, they're judges, not doctors.

:headbang:
rocknation

[renaissanceguy]

153. Note the vocabulary used

"Brain DAMAGED" vs. "brain DEAD"


http://www.cafepress.com/liberalissues/466053

[TexasSissy]

155. Yes, she is brain damaged. Severely. She is not brain dead.

There seem to be a number of people under the impression she is brain dead. Most of her brain is dead...but not all of it. "Brain dead" is one of the definitions of "dead" now, so if that were the case, there would be no controversy.

In order for the fed ct to review the evidence, and not just procedure, it could take months and would require the re-insertion of the feeding tube. Oy veh. The wheel goes 'round and 'round. When will this end?

[whistle]

154. Any news on the court ordering the feeding tube be re-inserted?

[wtmusic]

160. Well if she is suffering, let's just make it go on a little longer

sort of a catch-22, isn't it?

[hippiechick]

165. Horrible - after 10 days ?

Imagine the organ damage and systemic shutdown the body has gone through already ... to even think about re-starting a feeding tube at this time is just ... ludicrous.