US Loses Foreign Students to Post-9/11 Competition

[ckramer]

Buoyed by tough U.S. visa policies after Sept. 11, countries from Europe to Asia are eating into the United States' multibillion dollar business of educating foreign students, academics and officials said on Thursday.



More than 570,000 foreigners study in the United States, earning the U.S. economy about $13 billion a year, but the numbers are in decline.

"Matriculations of foreign students are still down. And meanwhile, other English-speaking countries are actively recruiting students who in other times and under different circumstances would have come to the United States to study," said George Washington University President Stephen Joel Trachtenberg.

"Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the United Kingdom are doing a very good job of snaring students we should have had. And believe me, they would like to eat our lunch," he told a Washington International Trade Association (WITA) meeting.

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[oblivious]

1. I follow this and find it very sad.

Okay, America is not making many products besides arms that other countries want to buy. But American education was always regarded as a quality product with an eager customer base. This has been such a boon for other English speaking countries, though I notice Australia's enrolment is finally falling a bit too after years of growth.

Still Fewer Foreigners Applying to American Graduate Schools
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/09/education/09grad.html

U.S. Slips in Attracting the World's Best Students
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/21/national/21global.html?position=&oref=login&pagewanted=print&position=

also here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1089214

[MountainLaurel]

10. Don't forget the flip side of the coin

Foreign scholars who have been barred from taking prestigious positions at American universities because they're from Axis of Evil countries or they wrote books denouncing U.S. policy. There was a case at Notre Dame last year, and another just recently.

[Robert Oak]

2. maybe universities will up the stipend

for Americans now. It's so unaffordable for Americans and for years
US universities have been supplementing the graduate TA/RA positions
with foreigners because basically no American, with no other government support (unlike foreign students often) can afford to live on
8-14k a year while spending now an average of 7 years to get a PhD (used to be 4).

I'm all *for* international student bodies and obtaining the world
wide best and brightest, but the way it's been, it's hurt opportunities
for Americans.

Case in point is Finland which has a huge percentage of PhD's with
only a 3M population...Finland invests in its citizens and they
now supercede the United States (300M population).

Time to act like genius is not innate but nutured and start supporting
advanced studies for Americans.

[aneerkoinos]

4. Couple comments

We are a nation of 5 million, not 3.

Universities are free not only to Finnish students but also foreign students.

A student living outside home gets about 400 euros/study month, it is possible to get loan on top of that but most don't want to take loan so most have to work to get by wich means that it takes about 7 years for a masters degree. 10 or more for a PhD. My wife is getting her PhD 20 years after her enrollment, which is not that unusual. :)

Do you have a link to the stat claiming that there are numerically more PhD's in Finland than in US (does not sound very credible)?

[ckramer]

9. Foreign students are scientific slaves of this country anyway.

No sane Americans are willing to do it anymore with 8 - 15K a year.

It's the worst exploitation in the name of science.

[Theduckno2]

3. A price paid for phobias...

Enrollments of foreign students decrease on a binge of xenophobia. The Marriage Protection Amendment (homophobia) would seem to discourage both enrollments of some foreign students as well as the retention of those same students with degrees. Is it me or are things getting uglier around here?

[rooboy]

5. Strange - I would have thought a rubber glove up the ass on arrival...

would be just the ticket to atract the sons and daughters of the world's elite :)

[DBoon]

6. Why do we need foreign science anyway?

When we have American science backed up by the bible?

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[ckramer]

8. Sorry...won't do that again...but I can't edit it now

"You can't edit this message because the editing period has expired."

[struggle4progress]

11. kick

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12. kick to combine

[dArKeR]

13. US Loses Foreign Students to Post-9/11 Competition

Buoyed by tough U.S. visa policies after Sept. 11, countries from Europe to Asia are eating into the United States' multibillion dollar business of educating foreign students, academics and officials said on Thursday.

More than 570,000 foreigners study in the United States, earning the U.S. economy about $13 billion a year, but the numbers are in decline.

"Matriculations of foreign students are still down. And meanwhile, other English-speaking countries are actively recruiting students who in other times and under different circumstances would have come to the United States to study," said George Washington University President Stephen Joel Trachtenberg.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=nm/security_education_dc

I can honestly say this story is a LIE! The part of why. So that means Reuters can't be trusted as a news source either. I've been in SE Asia a long time. The most pro American area you could find in the world. Any person who's been there will tell you the same. If Europe, Mexico, South America rate 6, scale 1 to 10, then Asia is a 1000 pro USA. (pre GOP/Bush murdering in Iraq.) My personally speaking to my Asian friends comes out, "USA is the problem" and not the VISA. They aren't even trying to apply. And that's the facts. My friends don't even want to come visit me. And I've just bought a new/old house with lots of fun things to do. I started crying listening to them. They tell me to come back to be with them.

The Neo Nazi Christian Republicans have destroyed our country and the whole world is watching.

[unkachuck]

14. it's a sad situation...

....I'm sort of feeling this in reverse....my brother and I have always enjoyed camping in Canada....right now, we hate to leave the country knowing most of the world, including Canada, thinks we're nuts, or worse....

....we don't want to be associated with, nor have to defend, the 50% bush-lovers and their actions....the world should realize, that half people in this country are still sane and would love to see a return to the kinder, gentler USA of the past....

[scarletlib]

15. Losing another leg in our knowledge base not to mention

the loss on a diplomatic level. (Friendships and ties with other countries thru educational bonds.)

We are well on our way to becoming a 3rd rate nation. should make the fundies happy.